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Post by zibazinski on Jan 16, 2015 17:25:57 GMT -5
Holding my children "hostage" for me exercising my rights as a citizen of this country is not to believed.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 16, 2015 17:27:47 GMT -5
I thought the one kid was 12 which is how they came to be able to be involved as opposed to minding their own business and catching criminals.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 17:30:14 GMT -5
Kids have rights too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 17:32:40 GMT -5
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jan 16, 2015 17:52:11 GMT -5
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Which kids look happier?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 17:56:38 GMT -5
Source please? Thanks.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jan 16, 2015 18:04:23 GMT -5
There's an adult with the two in the lower right picture. They look to be about 8 and 10 yrs old - WTF does she have to tether them on leashes?
I used the pics as an example of the paranoia that's rampant today with all the helicopter parenting and taking being cautious or protective to the extreme.
She looks like she's walking pets. Those poor kids.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 16, 2015 18:10:14 GMT -5
Someone will call the cops on her about that, too!!
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jan 16, 2015 18:46:29 GMT -5
No doubt - for child abuse.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 16, 2015 19:36:01 GMT -5
Parents charged with the crime of allowing their kids to play outside is pretty common. My son is 11, my daughter is 5- they wander the neighborhood together. I don't see the big deal.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 16, 2015 19:47:18 GMT -5
To play Devil's Advocate here....let's say this nosy neighbor called and the incident didn't get investigated. Next week, those two kids get hit crossing the street, or kidnapped off the street...or something else horrible. We all know where it goes from there. CPS doesn't do their job, the police don't do their job...yada yada. We had a week last fall where 3 kids got hit by car/buses in 2 incidents in 1 week. I don't think any of them were free range kids. I don't recall details but I think they were all on their way to school. The problem was more that daylight savings was so late it was still pitch dark when they got hit. And I think 2 of them were on their way to the bus stop. So no walking to school on their own, more like walking across 1 street and down a few houses. Probably just the opposite (of free-range kids). They probably didn't know what to do because they're brain damaged from being bubble wrapped their whole lives.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 16, 2015 19:58:34 GMT -5
Well, we had a 15 year old get hit and killed by a car at 7:15 am this morning while crossing the road. It's dark at that time, which makes you wonder did he not look or see the lights from the car? So tonight two families are in shock and grief. Age has very little to do with it. Your kids can be of an age where you wouldn't think they'd cross a street without looking both ways and they they do-at the wrong time.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jan 16, 2015 20:08:39 GMT -5
Sad but true. Even a kid who should be street smart by 15 can have something like that happen.
Makes you wonder if that 15 yr old had his eyes focused on his electronic screen instead of where he was walking, and/or if he was wearing ear buds - just plain not paying attention to things around him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 20:17:34 GMT -5
I think at issue is what is 'manageable amounts of risk and responsibility'...
To me, this includes not just the 'normal everyday routine tasks and predictabilities' of the activity, but also reasonably possible alternatives.
I'm sure most kids at 6 could manage to walk a few blocks to a playground, play in the sandbox and walk home... if there were no predators, cars, storms, dangerous equipment, wild animals, etc. etc.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jan 16, 2015 20:54:41 GMT -5
Is there ONE parenting topic that is not controversial?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 20:59:29 GMT -5
No. Every decision must be questioned.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 16, 2015 21:21:06 GMT -5
If they were somewhere else I'd feel more comfortable with it. You can walk blocks through my neighborhood to several parks. I'd think nothing of kids doing that. I do however, think where these kids were walking is not the safest place for two young kids especially if it's dark. I've been on that particular street at night. It's not something I'd feel good about for a 10 year old. I don't believe in smothering them in bubble wrap but I do believe in exercising reasonable caution and knowing your surroundings.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 16, 2015 21:49:27 GMT -5
I think at issue is what is 'manageable amounts of risk and responsibility'... To me, this includes not just the 'normal everyday routine tasks and predictabilities' of the activity, but also reasonably possible alternatives. I'm sure most kids at 6 could manage to walk a few blocks to a playground, play in the sandbox and walk home... if there were no predators, cars, storms, dangerous equipment, wild animals, etc. etc. Or, if they had a 10 year old sibling with them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 21:55:10 GMT -5
So most 10 year olds can fend of predators, a snake, a loose dog in heat, storms, dangerous equipment, cars... ? ...
Lol. It always amazes me the decisions that a parent won't allow their kids to make, and then the things they think they should be able to do...
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 17, 2015 7:53:44 GMT -5
Well, we had a 15 year old get hit and killed by a car at 7:15 am this morning while crossing the road. It's dark at that time, which makes you wonder did he not look or see the lights from the car? So tonight two families are in shock and grief. Age has very little to do with it. Your kids can be of an age where you wouldn't think they'd cross a street without looking both ways and they they do-at the wrong time. That may have been the first time in his life he was allowed to walk by himself.
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Post by swamp on Jan 17, 2015 10:00:24 GMT -5
I almost hit a 60 something doctor last night. He crossed the road to get his mail and ran back across the road in front of me. it was dark, he was wearing all dark clothes except for his socks. He lives on a 45 mph stretch if road. If it wasn't for the movement of the white socks, I would have hit him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 10:07:05 GMT -5
Do those of you who give your 6-10 year olds the run of the village, also give them full autonomy over their own bodies and environments within the home?
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Post by Pants on Jan 17, 2015 10:53:09 GMT -5
At 6 I was riding bikes by myself to my best friends house half mile away. we'd ride together to the store, the park, wherever. In a neighborhood in the city, so there were busy roads involved. We got chased by dogs, we'd get stuck in storms. When we moved to Australia, I walked to school every day. By the time I was 12 I was in a school all the way across the city- I got their either by public transportation or I would walk home a couple miles because I liked the walk - through the biggest park in the city, through residential, industrial, commercial districts. I never got the cops called on me.
Now I have a 2 year old and our elementary school is 2 blocks away but across a busy street. I fear that by the time she's 6 Ill get the cops called on me if I don't take her every day. 2 blocks. Ridiculous.
I read an article a while ago about how in the 70s part of the evaluation for whether kids were ready for kindergarten were whether or not they could get themselves back and forth to a friend's house multiple blocks away. The difference between that sort of independence and what we do now...
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 17, 2015 11:28:51 GMT -5
I was sitting here thinking about my own childhood and laughing. This is an illustration of my route home from school each day. The thing is, it had nothing to do with parenting. There were lectures, conferences, grounding, spankings attempting to get me to at least check in with Mom after school. I didn't care. I made it home around dinnertime because I was hungry.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 11:54:01 GMT -5
' face what to them seem like “really dangerous risks” and then conquer them alone. '
'The park is staffed by professionally trained “playworkers,” who keep a close eye on the kids but don’t intervene all that much.'
From the Atlantic article. ... I totally agree with this and would love a playground like that! I try to accomplish things like that all the time, like with Art Day...
That is NOT the situation being described in the OP...
Seriously, I'm all about those two quotes!
This one too 'a playworker is always nearby, watching for impending accidents but otherwise letting the children figure out lessons about fire on their own.'
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 17, 2015 14:20:22 GMT -5
I was sitting here thinking about my own childhood and laughing. This is an illustration of my route home from school each day. The thing is, it had nothing to do with parenting. There were lectures, conferences, grounding, spankings attempting to get me to at least check in with Mom after school. I didn't care. I made it home around dinnertime because I was hungry. You made it home in time for dinner? I had to home from school and START dinner.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jan 18, 2015 10:27:56 GMT -5
If they were somewhere else I'd feel more comfortable with it. You can walk blocks through my neighborhood to several parks. I'd think nothing of kids doing that. I do however, think where these kids were walking is not the safest place for two young kids especially if it's dark. I've been on that particular street at night. It's not something I'd feel good about for a 10 year old. I don't believe in smothering them in bubble wrap but I do believe in exercising reasonable caution and knowing your surroundings. Yes but the parents did shorter walks with the kids. They apparently did not have an issue with the safety of that neighborhood. And let's be honest - kids live in unsafe neighborhoods too. And sometimes the different between safe and unsafe is just a few blocks. I get that. But these parents made a decision for their family. *-*-*-* I was telling DH about this last night. He comments were basically "What the Hell?" What the F?!" "What the F!" and "I'd be calling a lawyer"
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jan 18, 2015 10:37:34 GMT -5
So most 10 year olds can fend of predators, a snake, a loose dog in heat, storms, dangerous equipment, cars... ? ... Lol. It always amazes me the decisions that a parent won't allow their kids to make, and then the things they think they should be able to do... I evaded a sexual predator around the age of 10. I know I'd done snakes earlier than 10 but think at 10 I'd reverted back to "snakes are icky" Don't remember dogs in heat or dangerous equipment but I knew just about every dog within a 1/2 mile of our house. And I could pop a butterfly valve open on a running car for Dad around the age of 11 or so. Our family car at the time had one that stuck. And going though all of that, I let my 5 and 6.5 year old play outside, even in winter. And they're allowed to go see if the neighbor girl can play and my DD is allowed to play inside their house. My DS isn't because I don't honestly think anyone is ready or wants that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 10:38:31 GMT -5
And if they disappeared? Or if one of them was bitten by a dog, or one fell and got a concussion, or died in a fire, or hit by a car.... No one would be saying WTF, why were 6 and 10 year olds spending the afternoon at the park unsupervised?
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