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Post by Angel! on Oct 13, 2014 16:07:39 GMT -5
I am completely panic and worry free today. I have immunity and nothing can touch me. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png)
Moonbeam must have banned me from the game, as I do not see anyone with immunity let alone infected, or dead. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) It's ok. You are already dead, so no need to worry about it at this point. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 16:08:34 GMT -5
You're DEAD to all of us. Sorry. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 13, 2014 16:09:09 GMT -5
Moonbeam must have banned me from the game, as I do not see anyone with immunity let alone infected, or dead. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) It's ok. You are already dead, so no need to worry about it at this point. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) I see live people.........
ok, I just went to one of The Haitian's threads and everyone shows up infected, dead, etc, so what's up? Did management feel this thread should be banned from the game? Is that possible? Serious question, but would like to know Thanks
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 13, 2014 16:15:13 GMT -5
It's ok. You are already dead, so no need to worry about it at this point. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) I see live people.........
ok, I just went to one of The Haitian's threads and everyone shows up infected, dead, etc, so what's up? Did management feel this thread should be banned from the game? Is that possible? Serious question, but would like to know Thanks
Nope. It's got nothing to do with management - ProBoards' nor ours. I'm seeing the status notifications without a problem on all threads using the latest Chrome. You might need to clear your caches and cookies, VB.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 13, 2014 16:18:38 GMT -5
I see live people.........
ok, I just went to one of The Haitian's threads and everyone shows up infected, dead, etc, so what's up? Did management feel this thread should be banned from the game? Is that possible? Serious question, but would like to know Thanks
Nope. It's got nothing to do with management - ProBoards' nor ours. I'm seeing the status notifications without a problem on all threads using the latest Chrome. You might need to clear your caches and cookies, VB. He cached in and ate his cookies.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 13, 2014 16:22:08 GMT -5
Nope. It's got nothing to do with management - ProBoards' nor ours. I'm seeing the status notifications without a problem on all threads using the latest Chrome. You might need to clear your caches and cookies, VB. He cached in and ate his cookies. ROFL! I hope they were chocolate chip! ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png)
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 13, 2014 16:29:35 GMT -5
So, I see I am in panic mode....... ... As I read your postings, I don't feel like you are in panic mode. I see you more as the pusher than the addict.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 13, 2014 16:30:40 GMT -5
The last few posts have been pretty good considering the subject ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/thumbsup.png)
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www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/13/ebola-nurses-describe-life-death-on-frontline-liberia-sierra-leone 'A minimum of five minutes is needed to undress. We have two tents, where the undressers and sprayers need to be on the ball. The urge to just pull the suit off is strong, but we wait. First, the chlorine spray to the hands. Then, feet apart, arms in the air, we are sprayed from head to toe, first the front, then the back. We wash our hands in 0.5% chlorine. Off come the first set of gloves.
We wash our hands again. Off comes the apron and hopefully it was tied perfectly, as we have to blindly reach around to release the knot; we pull it over our heads. Into the chlorine soak it goes. We wash our hands.
Next go the goggles. We bend over, close our eyes and gently remove them, dunk them three times in the strong chlorine-filled bucket, and then place them in water. We wash our hands.
The hood comes off next. Once again, we bend over, closing our eyes to avoid contamination and dispose of the hood in the garbage. We wash our hands.
Next, the removal of our heavy PPE. Moving slowly – we do everything slowly here – we carefully expose the zipper, hidden under a taped-down flap. We wash our hands. Blindly, we have to find the zipper, as our undressers and sprayers guide us. We wash our hands."
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 15, 2014 11:17:56 GMT -5
Ok, now we have a second healthcare worker that self checked his fever etc, and checked himself into the Dallas Hospital with a now confirmed Ebola diagnosis. That was bad enough. Now it was announced he just took a Frontier airlines flight from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday. Frontier was forced to take the plane out of service. Gee according to everyone here there is no reason to worry. So much for self checking people who may be infected, when they are free to fly around the country during incubation timeframes. In the meantime the stock market fell hard on the open just on the announcement of the second case, started to recover, then the announcement of the plane incident.
Man I would so much be happy to learn I was sitting in that patient's seat on the ensueing trip after he deplaned.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 15, 2014 11:26:31 GMT -5
Ok, now we have a second healthcare worker that self checked his fever etc, and checked himself into the Dallas Hospital with a now confirmed Ebola diagnosis. That was bad enough. Now it was announced he just took a Frontier airlines flight from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday. Frontier was forced to take the plane out of service. Gee according to everyone here there is no reason to worry. So much for self checking people who may be infected, when they are free to fly around the country during incubation timeframes. In the meantime the stock market fell hard on the open just on the announcement of the second case, started to recover, then the announcement of the plane incident.
Man I would so much be happy to learn I was sitting in that patient's seat on the ensueing trip after he deplaned. Of course they're going to use an abundance of caution in handling all potential exposures, no matter how small a possibility. And the stock market reacts like a drunken fool to the strangest of things, so that means nothing except that creating an atmosphere of unnecessary panic will result in damage to ourselves.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 15, 2014 11:29:46 GMT -5
Ok, now we have a second healthcare worker that self checked his fever etc, and checked himself into the Dallas Hospital with a now confirmed Ebola diagnosis. That was bad enough. Now it was announced he just took a Frontier airlines flight from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday. Frontier was forced to take the plane out of service. Gee according to everyone here there is no reason to worry. So much for self checking people who may be infected, when they are free to fly around the country during incubation timeframes. In the meantime the stock market fell hard on the open just on the announcement of the second case, started to recover, then the announcement of the plane incident.
Man I would so much be happy to learn I was sitting in that patient's seat on the ensueing trip after he deplaned. Of course they're going to use an abundance of caution in handling all potential exposures, no matter how small a possibility. And the stock market reacts like a drunken fool to the strangest of things, so that means nothing except that creating an atmosphere of unnecessary panic will result in damage to ourselves. Well, you have heard the term "perception is reality". Perception is the new reality, and right now it ain't pretty.
Perception: the CDC has totally blew this thing, and the President has obviously blown it too.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 15, 2014 11:33:20 GMT -5
... Perception: ... the President has obviously blown it too. Is that ever not your perception?
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 15, 2014 11:33:27 GMT -5
Of course they're going to use an abundance of caution in handling all potential exposures, no matter how small a possibility. And the stock market reacts like a drunken fool to the strangest of things, so that means nothing except that creating an atmosphere of unnecessary panic will result in damage to ourselves. Well, you have heard the term "perception is reality". Perception is the new reality, and right now it ain't pretty.
Perception: the CDC has totally blew this thing, and the President has obviously blown it too.
Perception might damage stocks and make people irrationally fearful, but fortunately, reality will handle the medical part of this problem.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 15, 2014 11:36:03 GMT -5
On the bright side... I think we are going to be able to pick up airline stock pretty cheap for awhile. Right now, I do not see a bright side. This was a flight from Cleveland.......why was someone who was to be" kept an eye on", flying in the first place? Let's not forget we have to assume he told someone he was traveling out of state in the first place. Who in the heck told him it was ok to go? If he never cleared this trip, why wouldn't it be part of the so called protocol to begin with? It is making the people in charge was well as the original healthcare people look rather limited in their abilities.....to make proper decisions.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 15, 2014 11:38:51 GMT -5
On the bright side... I think we are going to be able to pick up airline stock pretty cheap for awhile. Right now, I do not see a bright side. This was a flight from Cleveland.......why was someone who was to be" kept an eye on", flying in the first place? Let's not forget we have to assume he told someone he was traveling out of state in the first place. Who in the heck told him it was ok to go? If he never cleared this trip, why wouldn't it be part of the so called protocol to begin with? It is making the people in charge was well as the original healthcare people look rather limited in their abilities.....to make proper decisions.
it's a 'she', by the way, and she was fine to travel because someone with the virus is not contagious while not symptomatic. While self-monitoring, she immediately reported upon becoming symptomatic (the day after flying) and was placed in immediate isolation.
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Post by gooddecisions on Oct 15, 2014 11:40:34 GMT -5
Supposedly they handled Duncan with extreme caution too (once they knew he had Ebola)- full hazmat suits, yet two health care workers are now diagnosed positive. I'm starting to doubt that it's really as hard to catch as our government and the CDC would have us believe.
I'm surprised there isn't protocol for healthcare workers treating Ebola patients traveling within that 21 day incubation period.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 15, 2014 11:41:13 GMT -5
... Perception: ... the President has obviously blown it too. Is that ever not your perception? Bills, when the President said he would not stop the flights from the hot zones, he interjected his decision and thought process into the procedures. When he implemented or allowed to be implemented a simple screening of "are you coming from an infected country" question and a simple thermometer gun checking your temperature, he and the CDC BLEW IT.
As far as my perception of the President, we have had discussions on his performance and I am on record of giving him a better than I expected performance at the time. I am just updating my record on his present performance tally.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 15, 2014 11:43:16 GMT -5
Is that ever not your perception? Bills, when the President said he would not stop the flights from the hot zones, he interjected his decision and thought process into the procedures. When he implemented or allowed to be implemented a simple screening of "are you coming from an infected country" question and a simple thermometer gun checking your temperature, he and the CDC BLEW IT.
Many experts have publicly stated the various reasons that travel bans from the affected countries are not effective, not wise, and could make things worse.
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Post by Angel! on Oct 15, 2014 11:43:26 GMT -5
Of course they're going to use an abundance of caution in handling all potential exposures, no matter how small a possibility. And the stock market reacts like a drunken fool to the strangest of things, so that means nothing except that creating an atmosphere of unnecessary panic will result in damage to ourselves. Well, you have heard the term "perception is reality". Perception is the new reality, and right now it ain't pretty.
Perception: the CDC has totally blew this thing, and the President has obviously blown it too.
I think with 2 cases in a country of 300 million, things aren't too bad at this point. Odds are extremely good that neither case exposed anyone in the public. If they can just fix the issues that are exposing healthcare workers, then things are fine. As long as we can get people into isolation as soon as they become symptomatic, then we will not have an outbreak in our country.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 15, 2014 11:44:57 GMT -5
Right now, I do not see a bright side. This was a flight from Cleveland.......why was someone who was to be" kept an eye on", flying in the first place? Let's not forget we have to assume he told someone he was traveling out of state in the first place. Who in the heck told him it was ok to go? If he never cleared this trip, why wouldn't it be part of the so called protocol to begin with? It is making the people in charge was well as the original healthcare people look rather limited in their abilities.....to make proper decisions.
it's a 'she', by the way, and she was fine to travel because someone with the virus is not contagious while not symptomatic. While self-monitoring, she immediately reported upon becoming symptomatic (the day after flying) and was placed in immediate isolation. It is my understanding it is a male person on the second infection. I have not seen a name released as of yet. Myself, if I were the person being monitored I would scratch off a plane flight from my criteria, even if it was for say, a family funeral, marriage etc, just in case of what might happen, does happen. And why is a Rocky Mtn Saver drinking Corona? Isn't the Silver Bullet the drink of choice?
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 15, 2014 11:46:25 GMT -5
Supposedly they handled Duncan with extreme caution too (once they knew he had Ebola)- full hazmat suits, yet two health care workers are now diagnosed positive. I'm starting to doubt that it's really as hard to catch as our government and the CDC would have us believe. I'm surprised there isn't protocol for healthcare workers treating Ebola patients traveling within that 21 day incubation period. I would assume this would be covered in healthcare procedures 101. If not, want to bet it will be?
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 15, 2014 11:46:54 GMT -5
Well, you have heard the term "perception is reality". Perception is the new reality, and right now it ain't pretty.
Perception: the CDC has totally blew this thing, and the President has obviously blown it too.
I think with 2 cases in a country of 300 million, things aren't too bad at this point. Odds are extremely good that neither case exposed anyone in the public. If they can just fix the issues that are exposing healthcare workers, then things are fine. As long as we can get people into isolation as soon as they become symptomatic, then we will not have an outbreak in our country. The 21-day clock on the first case will run out on Friday, without any further cases among his family and friends and anyone he had casual contact with. If it weren't for the Dallas hospital having lax procedures for keeping health care workers protected, this one case wouldn't have even affected anyone from the US. So, instead of worrying about a travel ban, it sounds to me like what we need is to fix our own hospitals' training and preparation for infectious diseases.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 15, 2014 11:47:53 GMT -5
it's a 'she', by the way, and she was fine to travel because someone with the virus is not contagious while not symptomatic. While self-monitoring, she immediately reported upon becoming symptomatic (the day after flying) and was placed in immediate isolation. It is my understanding it is a male person on the second infection. I have not seen a name released as of yet. Myself, if I were the person being monitored I would scratch off a plane flight from my criteria, even if it was for say, a family funeral, marriage etc, just in case of what might happen, does happen. And why is a Rocky Mtn Saver drinking Corona? Isn't the Silver Bullet the drink of choice?
It is not a male person. It is two female health care workers: Nina Pham and Amber Vinson.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2014 11:48:51 GMT -5
Is that ever not your perception? Bills, when the President said he would not stop the flights from the hot zones, he interjected his decision and thought process into the procedures. When he implemented or allowed to be implemented a simple screening of "are you coming from an infected country" question and a simple thermometer gun checking your temperature, he and the CDC BLEW IT.
As far as my perception of the President, we have had discussions on his performance and I am on record of giving him a better than I expected performance at the time. I am just updating my record on his present performance tally.
i don't know enough about this situation to blame anyone other than the hospital that treated the Liberian fellow. however, i am disinclined to blame the CDC at this point, partially based on my experience with Texas and their fervent anti-federalism. if the CDC told them to do something, i have little doubt they would not do it. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2014 11:50:34 GMT -5
On the bright side... I think we are going to be able to pick up airline stock pretty cheap for awhile. Right now, I do not see a bright side. i have to agree with you there. we have gone from no response to a nearly hysterical one, imo. but hopefully we will find a nice middle ground here, shortly.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 15, 2014 11:51:06 GMT -5
It is not a male person. It is two female health care workers: Nina Pham and Amber Vinson. Thank you. I will not go back and correct my statement, as it is immaterial to the conversation, unless someone feels it necessary.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2014 11:51:44 GMT -5
Right now, I do not see a bright side. This was a flight from Cleveland.......why was someone who was to be" kept an eye on", flying in the first place? Let's not forget we have to assume he told someone he was traveling out of state in the first place. Who in the heck told him it was ok to go? If he never cleared this trip, why wouldn't it be part of the so called protocol to begin with? It is making the people in charge was well as the original healthcare people look rather limited in their abilities.....to make proper decisions.
Yeah.. I'm at the point where I'm using black humor to approach this fiasco. If you read any of my other posts on this subject you'll know where I stand on this particular issue. yes, Sroo, your position on this subject is indeed quite clear. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/cool.png)
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Post by gooddecisions on Oct 15, 2014 11:53:05 GMT -5
Bills, when the President said he would not stop the flights from the hot zones, he interjected his decision and thought process into the procedures. When he implemented or allowed to be implemented a simple screening of "are you coming from an infected country" question and a simple thermometer gun checking your temperature, he and the CDC BLEW IT.
Many experts have publicly stated the various reasons that travel bans from the affected countries are not effective, not wise, and could make things worse. The reasoning for not stopping air travel in the several unbiased news articles I read did not hold a lot of water- although I really wanted to agree that it's the right decision. Supposedly if they can't get on commercial airplanes, they will find other ways of getting here and we won't be able to find these sick people to treat and prevent the spread. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/sarcasm.png)
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