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Post by Angel! on Oct 12, 2014 23:45:25 GMT -5
Obama aside, does anyone else wonder how is that HEALTH WORKERS are getting infected? Shouldn't they be the ones who know the BEST way NOT to get infected? There is very little hope left for regular people if doctors and nurses can't handle the situation. I feel a lot better that it is health workers than a passenger on a plane or a neighbor. It shows that you have to be in very close contact to get the virus. Not a high transmission rate...the main reason it would be the stupidest terrorist plot ever.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 12, 2014 23:49:00 GMT -5
Sorry you can't figure out that reference Lassie. Wow. She isn't the only one. I have no clue what you meant. Sorry you can't figure out that reference Lassie. Wow. Thank you for avoiding my question. You didn't answer - you diverted.I believe Shooby is referring to the JV comment made early in the game concerning ISIS. We're mixing our disasters to get full panic impact and throwing Obama in just to stir the pot.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 12, 2014 23:49:59 GMT -5
Obama aside, does anyone else wonder how is that HEALTH WORKERS are getting infected? Shouldn't they be the ones who know the BEST way NOT to get infected? There is very little hope left for regular people if doctors and nurses can't handle the situation. I feel a lot better that it is health workers than a passenger on a plane or a neighbor. It shows that you have to be in very close contact to get the virus. Not a high transmission rate...the main reason it would be the stupidest terrorist plot ever. No kidding! I can think of lots of better plots than that one!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 23:54:14 GMT -5
Don't worry. It's just a JV Virus JV Virus? I know of a JC Virus - since I have onset symptoms of MS.
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Aren't you a nurse practitioner or something in the health care system?
Please explain the JV Virus. I believe it was a poor attempt at humor. In School there's the "Varsity" team (the good/experienced players) and the "Junior Varsity" (better known as "JV") team (the lesser/inexperienced players). She was saying it's a "no big deal" virus. ETA: for the record, I am not agreeing that it's a "no big deal" virus... I was just translating. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 12, 2014 23:58:22 GMT -5
Because this virus isn't easy to contract doesn't make it any the less serious for those who do contract it. Nobody has said otherwise. The fact that it's not easy to contract, however, reduces its level of danger to the general public. That's important, folks.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 13, 2014 0:05:11 GMT -5
You are talking of Fearmongering Bills. I am sure the nurse who is infected is very fearful right about now. But, who cares if people get infected? Reality - People will be infected. The nurse has a reasonable fear of how her illness will play out. Fearmongering has a goal of creating unreasonable fear.
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 13, 2014 0:09:45 GMT -5
We also need to consider that this nurse may have inadvertently handled something from the first time the patient came to the ER. Remember, the time doctors sent him home with pain pills and antibiotics even after he told them he had recently come from Liberia. Just to be clear, this is NOT an attempt to lay blame but just a thought at how an infection could have occurred.
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Post by Jaguar on Oct 13, 2014 1:01:32 GMT -5
Dallas police stood guard Sunday at a two-story tan brick apartment building roped off with red police tape. No-trespassing signs marked the building and the one next door as off-limits, and a yellow biohazard barrel was in front until workers in hazmat suits hauled it away.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 13, 2014 5:36:37 GMT -5
Because this virus isn't easy to contract doesn't make it any the less serious for those who do contract it. Nobody has said otherwise. The fact that it's not easy to contract, however, reduces its level of danger to the general public. That's important, folks. I disagree with you. It is EASY to contract. It has a very high incident rate of incidental contact infection. Look at the rising infection rate. Just because it is high due to lack of knowledge by innocent victims does not mean it will not spread in this way, after we become knowledgeable. One or two infectious people walking through an airport, boarding a plane does it, plain and simple. The people in contact become carriers spreading the disease in an ever rapidly fashion without knowing they were in contact with the carriers.......
Hey, let's all go on a Carribean cruise for a week with someone not showing the symptoms when boarding at the port. Let the person carrying the disease disembark at two or three port of calls as they begin showing any outward signs of the disease, get back on board, walking through the gang plank, just handing their card to the attendant to put in the id verifier. Nope, no way is this disease contained.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Oct 13, 2014 7:04:01 GMT -5
Obama aside, does anyone else wonder how is that HEALTH WORKERS are getting infected? Shouldn't they be the ones who know the BEST way NOT to get infected? There is very little hope left for regular people if doctors and nurses can't handle the situation. I feel a lot better that it is health workers than a passenger on a plane or a neighbor. It shows that you have to be in very close contact to get the virus. Not a high transmission rate...the main reason it would be the stupidest terrorist plot ever. People might be a lot more respectful of your personal space than they are of mine and others, bc I see people constantly being in a very close contact with each other. So, the fact that a medical professional doesn't know enough to protect themselves is troublesome
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Post by Angel! on Oct 13, 2014 7:55:27 GMT -5
Because this virus isn't easy to contract doesn't make it any the less serious for those who do contract it. Nobody has said otherwise. The fact that it's not easy to contract, however, reduces its level of danger to the general public. That's important, folks. I disagree with you. It is EASY to contract. It has a very high incident rate of incidental contact infection. Look at the rising infection rate. Just because it is high due to lack of knowledge by innocent victims does not mean it will not spread in this way, after we become knowledgeable. One or two infectious people walking through an airport, boarding a plane does it, plain and simple. The people in contact become carriers spreading the disease in an ever rapidly fashion without knowing they were in contact with the carriers.......
Hey, let's all go on a Carribean cruise for a week with someone not showing the symptoms when boarding at the port. Let the person carrying the disease disembark at two or three port of calls as they begin showing any outward signs of the disease, get back on board, walking through the gang plank, just handing their card to the attendant to put in the id verifier. Nope, no way is this disease contained.
It has a rate of about 1-2 new infected people per infected person. That is actually incredibly low compares to almost anything else. And those are the current stats that mostly are from infections in countries that don't have the resources we do. You can pretty much guarantee it will be lower here. So far from 2 infections, only 1 additional person has caught it. A spread rate of 0.5 persons per infection. A disease spreading at that rate cannot maintain itself. Also, it is not contagious until you are symptomatic, so in your entire scenario no one would catch it. Then it is transmitted through body fluids. How many people do you exchange fluids with in a typical day? There is a reason it is primarily family and healthcare workers catching this, not passengers on a plane. Did you know in some of the areas in africa where this is spreading they share a drink with the dead person? Literally put a drink to the dead guy's lips and then to their own. We won't see nearly the rate of spread in a large part because of how we handle our dead.
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Post by sesfw on Oct 13, 2014 9:21:02 GMT -5
Then it is transmitted through body fluids. How many people do you exchange fluids with in a typical day? There is a reason it is primarily family and healthcare workers catching this, not passengers on a plane.
Walking through an area where someone has sneezed is exchanging body fluids. Anywhere from airports to groceries.
It's sad how easily and quickly this can be passed around. Most people don't stay home when they don't feel well. We are tough and can keep going.
Had a friend travelling on Amtrak from Texas to No Calif and there was a boy on the train with swine flu. Yup, about half the car was sick by the time they reached Union Station in Los Angeles.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 13, 2014 9:30:34 GMT -5
Then it is transmitted through body fluids. How many people do you exchange fluids with in a typical day? There is a reason it is primarily family and healthcare workers catching this, not passengers on a plane.
Walking through an area where someone has sneezed is exchanging body fluids. Anywhere from airports to groceries. Agreed, and do not forget, the germ actually lives on the solid surface for hours afterwards. As the Asian worker on your cruise ship takes his card and slides it through the id verifier on the gangplank as he re-enters the ship (with the person showing signs unrecognized by a guy making $4 an hour) the worker now takes your id infects it with the ebola germ on his gloves and gives it back to you.
As the suicide "bomber" walks through the airport contaminating seats and tables in restaurants with Ebola germs, and travelers going to the far reaches of the continents.
"The Walking Dead" series is potentially becoming a reality television show
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Post by Angel! on Oct 13, 2014 9:45:47 GMT -5
The virus is not airborne. You would have to touch something the person sneezed directly on and then touch your eyes or lick your hand. And unlike flu, this virus does not cause coughing or sneezing, so they wouldn't be walking around coughing or sneezing anyway.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Oct 13, 2014 10:19:07 GMT -5
The virus is not airborne. You would have to touch something the person sneezed directly on and then touch your eyes or lick your hand. And unlike flu, this virus does not cause coughing or sneezing, so they wouldn't be walking around coughing or sneezing anyway. My kids do that all.day.long. They touch a millions things on a daily basis and I have not been too successful in teaching them not to touch their faces until they wash their hands. While it has never been my plan to keep them in a bubble, it would be wonderful if people were more conscientious about spreading their germs around.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Oct 13, 2014 10:23:02 GMT -5
The flu is much worse than Ebola, but does't sound as scary.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 13, 2014 10:36:49 GMT -5
Well, I am sure everyone still believes the Obama Administration's assurance we are safe from Ebola and our CDC is on top of it................ If one hospital can blow this so badly so fast.............Here is a question for everyone.
How long will it be, before Isis or AQ decides to take some suicide volunteers, infect them with Ebola and send them throughout Europe and the United States via international flights, scattering the disease worldwide in a matter of weeks? just a guess: forever. even longer before anyone would succeed at it. what would they do, VB- run around naked and kiss everyone? how far would they get with that? if you came up with this on your own, calm down. if not, please tell us what crazy person suggested this.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 13, 2014 10:38:18 GMT -5
Maybe if we just give the leadership more money and pile on additional weaponry they will like us an leave us alone.
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Oh wait, I forgot, a few years ago Obama extended his hand in friendship rather than extending a fist as Bush did. Yep, that's the ticket, it's all the fault of George Bush. Obama extended the Bush policies, not his hand. so yes, blame Bush. and blame Obama for not doing better.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 13, 2014 10:39:19 GMT -5
Even, I believe the Administration is wondering how to stop this scenario today in the situation room that probably merits about 1 minute of discussion. no more.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 13, 2014 10:43:31 GMT -5
JV Virus? I know of a JC Virus - since I have onset symptoms of MS.
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Aren't you a nurse practitioner or something in the health care system?
Please explain the JV Virus. she is mocking Obama's assessment of ISIS, Lassie. because, you know, Ebola (which has existed since 1976) is just like ISIS (which has been around less than 10 years, is regional, and really is, for all intents and purposes, rather JV).
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 13, 2014 10:47:19 GMT -5
Because this virus isn't easy to contract doesn't make it any the less serious for those who do contract it. Nobody has said otherwise. The fact that it's not easy to contract, however, reduces its level of danger to the general public. That's important, folks. it should be quite informative to people that the rate of contraction in central Africa so far has been about 0.25% of the general population. if you contrast this with a more infectious disease- say an airbourne virus- you would see rates of infection of probably 100x that much in the same amount of time. if you want to worry, go ahead. the constitution says you can do that too. myself? i prefer to be vigilant and remain calm about it.
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Post by Opti on Oct 13, 2014 10:50:28 GMT -5
Maybe if we just give the leadership more money and pile on additional weaponry they will like us an leave us alone.
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Oh wait, I forgot, a few years ago Obama extended his hand in friendship rather than extending a fist as Bush did. Yep, that's the ticket, it's all the fault of George Bush. Obama extended the Bush policies, not his hand. so yes, blame Bush. and blame Obama for not doing better. BG, WTE does what Bush and Obama have to do with Ebola from Africa?
I must have missed something somewhere... maybe.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 13, 2014 10:52:55 GMT -5
Obama extended the Bush policies, not his hand. so yes, blame Bush. and blame Obama for not doing better. BG, WTE does what Bush and Obama have to do with Ebola from Africa?
I must have missed something somewhere... maybe.
no, you didn't miss anything. there was an assumption that someone would eventually blame Bush for this, which is ludicrous. that followed with the assumption that it was OK to blame Obama for this which is also pretty silly. now that we have dispensed with that mock outrage and silliness, we can get back to the discussion?
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 13, 2014 10:57:29 GMT -5
Then it is transmitted through body fluids. How many people do you exchange fluids with in a typical day? There is a reason it is primarily family and healthcare workers catching this, not passengers on a plane.
Walking through an area where someone has sneezed is exchanging body fluids. Anywhere from airports to groceries.
It's sad how easily and quickly this can be passed around. Most people don't stay home when they don't feel well. We are tough and can keep going.
Had a friend travelling on Amtrak from Texas to No Calif and there was a boy on the train with swine flu. Yup, about half the car was sick by the time they reached Union Station in Los Angeles.
How many days did it take to travel by train from Texas to California that half the passengers caught swine flu?
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 13, 2014 11:00:42 GMT -5
Well, I am sure everyone still believes the Obama Administration's assurance we are safe from Ebola and our CDC is on top of it................ If one hospital can blow this so badly so fast.............Here is a question for everyone.
How long will it be, before Isis or AQ decides to take some suicide volunteers, infect them with Ebola and send them throughout Europe and the United States via international flights, scattering the disease worldwide in a matter of weeks? just a guess: forever. even longer before anyone would succeed at it. what would they do, VB- run around naked and kiss everyone? how far would they get with that? if you came up with this on your own, calm down. if not, please tell us what crazy person suggested this. ISIS will make everyone roll around in their vomit and excrement at gun point.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 13, 2014 11:12:41 GMT -5
just a guess: forever. even longer before anyone would succeed at it. what would they do, VB- run around naked and kiss everyone? how far would they get with that? if you came up with this on your own, calm down. if not, please tell us what crazy person suggested this. ISIS will make everyone roll around in their vomit and excrement at gun point. Gun point.
Nope. Sword point.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 13, 2014 11:16:11 GMT -5
I just heard on the radio that there are a reported 27,689 cases of Ebola in Indiana. No source yet.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 13, 2014 11:19:55 GMT -5
Then it is transmitted through body fluids. How many people do you exchange fluids with in a typical day? There is a reason it is primarily family and healthcare workers catching this, not passengers on a plane.
Walking through an area where someone has sneezed is exchanging body fluids. Anywhere from airports to groceries.
It's sad how easily and quickly this can be passed around. Most people don't stay home when they don't feel well. We are tough and can keep going.
Had a friend travelling on Amtrak from Texas to No Calif and there was a boy on the train with swine flu. Yup, about half the car was sick by the time they reached Union Station in Los Angeles.
How many days did it take to travel by train from Texas to California that half the passengers caught swine flu? Swine flu and Ebola have different modes of transmission.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 13, 2014 11:33:11 GMT -5
How many days did it take to travel by train from Texas to California that half the passengers caught swine flu? Swine flu and Ebola have different modes of transmission. Does it really matter when some are in ![](http://www.angryblackladychronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/panic.gif) mode. Does it really matter? ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/sarcasm.png)
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