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Post by justme on Aug 12, 2014 16:47:05 GMT -5
I remember when I was on a volunteer on Teen Court for some reason they decided to have a cop come in and give a presentation about drugs (maybe so we knew more about the things kids were coming in charged for?). I definitely learned about a lot of drugs I'd never heard about before, and he explained pretty well how to make Special K. Guess he figured none of us would go out and try to make it from his description.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 12, 2014 16:49:20 GMT -5
There was one called Special K.
Ketamine. That's what we used for sedating animals (it's a vet drug) and because it's also abused, we had to track our use of it down to a gnat's ass.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 12, 2014 16:53:30 GMT -5
Your stories make me grateful that my DH never got hooked on K2/Spice. He's tried a lot of drugs in his earlier days and he used MJ occasionally. My BIL gave him some K2 to try before the back surgery, but he never really got hooked and then it became illegal. Thank God.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 13, 2014 10:28:21 GMT -5
Your stories make me grateful that my DH never got hooked on K2/Spice. He's tried a lot of drugs in his earlier days and he used MJ occasionally. My BIL gave him some K2 to try before the back surgery, but he never really got hooked and then it became illegal. Thank God. Thank goodness!!! I seriously l consider that stuff to be as bad as meth. It is so sad so many people got hooked thinking they were smoking the equivalent of marijuana.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 13, 2014 10:52:29 GMT -5
I admit, I don't much see the point of using/abusing any drug. But then again, my "drug" of choice is alcohol. ETA - I am currently almost done weaning off my anti-depressent so I do get having prescriptions for drugs and approved drug use. But I've got no interest in trying pot much less anything else.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 13, 2014 10:54:40 GMT -5
Your stories make me grateful that my DH never got hooked on K2/Spice. He's tried a lot of drugs in his earlier days and he used MJ occasionally. My BIL gave him some K2 to try before the back surgery, but he never really got hooked and then it became illegal. Thank God. Thank goodness!!! I seriously l consider that stuff to be as bad as meth. It is so sad so many people got hooked thinking they were smoking the equivalent of marijuana. I had never even heard of it, and I'm assuming my dh didn't either. Which has me thanking my little stars too because he doesn't always make the best choices with that kind of stuff.
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Post by yogiii on Aug 13, 2014 11:11:08 GMT -5
I am so naive
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 11:13:32 GMT -5
I would have known nothing about it either if it wasn't brought into my house and caused my husband to act bat shit crazy. You educate yourself pretty quick when that happens.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Aug 13, 2014 11:18:27 GMT -5
Spice is constantly on the news around here. Even us naive folks who've never tried anything can't miss hearing about it
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 13, 2014 11:26:45 GMT -5
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 13, 2014 11:28:42 GMT -5
There was one called Special K.Ketamine. That's what we used for sedating animals (it's a vet drug) and because it's also abused, we had to track our use of it down to a gnat's ass. I heard that teens around here were volunteering in vet clinics and pet shelters just to get the stuff and sell it. Dayum.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 13, 2014 11:39:53 GMT -5
Spice is constantly on the news around here. Even us naive folks who've never tried anything can't miss hearing about it It isn't constantly on the news but it was a few years ago when they made it illegal. Sudafed/Meth is constantly on the news but I live in the meth capital of america. My DH's stories and what he has tried about drugs and my BIL's and Cousin's addictions has educated me a lot. I'm still naive in that I couldn't tell you want a pot plant looks like and I could never tell when we were dating/first married when DH would do some pot. I'm not sure I would have married him if i knew he occasionally did pot. He came clean with me about a year after we were married.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 13, 2014 11:40:33 GMT -5
I would have known nothing about it either if it wasn't brought into my house and caused my husband to act bat shit crazy. You educate yourself pretty quick when that happens. Same here. It also was all over the news around the time ex started to have his problems & I learned he was smoking it. I know some kids were dying & he knew it & just kept smoking. Too addictive. I think they always make it with different stuff, so for all I know he may have been smoking for a long time before a bad batch or strong batch came around & it became obvious to me.
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Post by sesfw on Aug 13, 2014 11:41:55 GMT -5
I am so naïve
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 11:44:56 GMT -5
I would have known nothing about it either if it wasn't brought into my house and caused my husband to act bat shit crazy. You educate yourself pretty quick when that happens. Same here. It also was all over the news around the time ex started to have his problems & I learned he was smoking it. I know some kids were dying & he knew it & just kept smoking. Too addictive. I think they always make it with different stuff, so for all I know he may have been smoking for a long time before a bad batch or strong batch came around & it became obvious to me. My ex never tried to hide it from me (at least not at first until I started expressing my extreme displeasure with it). He was all happy and proud he found a legal alternative to weed that he couldn't get fired for using and that was readily available (although not cheap, I think it costs more). He ended up losing his job because of it anyhow, because he was missing so much work and acting erratic while there.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Aug 13, 2014 11:49:07 GMT -5
I prefer huffing glue. 100% legal and the high is awesome.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 15, 2014 10:41:45 GMT -5
An update on the last few days. So I sent some pictures. He thanked me for them. I replied I will keep sending pictures and that I did realize he wanted them. He got snarky & I just ignored his reply. Then last night he emails that he wants a ride to court in the morning with the phrase "Or are you not willing because you think your too good". So I ignored that email as well. He has some pre-trial thing, no idea what that means. This morning he emails accusing me of wanting him in jail & ranting about me not "letting" him talk to him on his birthday (which was yesterday & I totally forgot about it). I did reply to that one & said I would let the kids talk to him, but will not be making an effort on my end to make it happen. I mentioned the missed visit when he was "leaving town" and the fact he did not bother to answer the phone on father's day and that he did not call DS1 on his birthday or visit him. I told him he is more than welcome to call the kids and to let me know if/when he would like to schedule a visit. But, I will no longer be making an effort on my end if he will not make an effort on his end. I don't like seeing the kids sad when they try to call & he doesn't answer. I told him I will continue to email pictures and he can communicate with me regarding visits and phone calls for the kids, but otherwise I am done. Any rides or anything else need to be from someone else. He replies saying he has no rights to call his kids, which is complete BS & I told him that. I don't believe I could take away his right to call without a restraining order & I have never once refused to let him talk to the kids if he calls for them (which has happened exactly once). Another new fact - now he is getting evicted on the 26th & has no where to go. No idea if the girlfriend with the truck & the kids was completely made up or if that fell apart quick. Then I get a weird email at 8 AM saying he has been standing waiting to wave to DS1, but he guesses I didn't take him to school. I say weird because I have no idea where he thinks DS1 is going to school or where the hell he was standing waiting to wave. He doesn't actually know where DS1 or DD are for the summer (has never asked & I never brought it up) & real school doesn't start until monday. He maybe thinks DS1 is at his old daycare, which doesn't even take school age kids, but even that is like a 6 block walk from the courthouse & why just say DS1, not DD also. Maybe I need to not try to analyze the mind of a crazy person. I didn't reply to that email either. I also usually park in front of the kid's daycare, but didn't today just in case he drove by or walked by & made the connection. So anyway, set a boundary regarding our communication & intend to stick to it. So I think things will improve. Or he will just be in jail
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 15, 2014 11:03:21 GMT -5
You've probably taken care of this already but if you haven't make sure the schools/daycares and your kids teachers know that under no circumstances is ex-husband to be picking them up or "visiting". Make sure they know what he looks like. Around here the teachers/principal will return with child into the building and not come back out until the approved parent arrives for pick-up.
It may have just been a delusional text message but better safe than sorry. It creeped me out reading that he was "waiting" for DS even if he claims it was just to wave at him.
Do you go to Narc-Anon meetings? I don't know if that is your thing or not but it might be worth it to go a few times to get support from people who have BTDT themselves or with loved ones. It can be nice to be assured that you aren't being unreasonable or crazy and have people who won't judge you to vent to.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 15, 2014 11:14:30 GMT -5
How convenient....court date the week before eviction! What a freaking coincidence!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 11:15:38 GMT -5
The waiting for DS is a little creepy, although kind of amusing if he has no clue where he is. I probably couldn't have let it go and would have had to ask where he was waiting? He does sound really messed up and delusional. He's acting a lot like my ex was last Fall and if he's still using who knows what he could do.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 15, 2014 11:20:10 GMT -5
The schools and daycares all know. Not only that but I have had several conversations with DS1 & DD regarding what to do if he ever shows up to pick them up. They know they are supposed to find a teacher & have the teacher call mom if dad ever shows up to get them. And they are not supposed to go with Dad unless both they and a teacher has spoken to me. DS1 even has my number memorized I explain that I am always supposed to be the one to pick them up so they always need to make sure I know if ANYONE else is picking them up. Otherwise I may show up later & get really scared that I don't know where they are. Hopefully they would remember, DS1 is pretty good about that stuff. I wish I could explain more clearly that their dad might do something bad or kidnap them if he picks them up (which I honestly think is very unlikely, but still), but at this point I don't feel that is appropriate to say to them about their dad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 11:22:23 GMT -5
You've probably taken care of this already but if you haven't make sure the schools/daycares and your kids teachers know that under no circumstances is ex-husband to be picking them up or "visiting". Make sure they know what he looks like. Around here the teachers/principal will return with child into the building and not come back out until the approved parent arrives for pick-up.
It may have just been a delusional text message but better safe than sorry. It creeped me out reading that he was "waiting" for DS even if he claims it was just to wave at him.
Do you go to Narc-Anon meetings? I don't know if that is your thing or not but it might be worth it to go a few times to get support from people who have BTDT themselves or with loved ones. It can be nice to be assured that you aren't being unreasonable or crazy and have people who won't judge you to vent to. unless her divorce decree states that she has sole legal and physical custody without visitation, he is allowed to pick them up.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 15, 2014 11:24:14 GMT -5
The waiting for DS is a little creepy, although kind of amusing if he has no clue where he is. I probably couldn't have let it go and would have had to ask where he was waiting? He does sound really messed up and delusional. He's acting a lot like my ex was last Fall and if he's still using who knows what he could do. I really wanted to ask, but that would have continued the coversation & opened myself up to "why wouldn't you drive by the corner of X/Y? Where does DS go to school now?" He asked about a week ago when school starts. I ignored that email because it made me paranoid too. I don't know if he is that smart, but I thought he might have been asking to figure out if DS1 is still going to the same school. Out of the 2 schools he is most likely to attend, they have different start dates. But, DS1 will be going to the same school, so he wouldn't have to be a genius to guess where he will be going. So maybe he was just asking out of curiousity.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 15, 2014 11:25:02 GMT -5
You've probably taken care of this already but if you haven't make sure the schools/daycares and your kids teachers know that under no circumstances is ex-husband to be picking them up or "visiting". Make sure they know what he looks like. Around here the teachers/principal will return with child into the building and not come back out until the approved parent arrives for pick-up.
It may have just been a delusional text message but better safe than sorry. It creeped me out reading that he was "waiting" for DS even if he claims it was just to wave at him.
Do you go to Narc-Anon meetings? I don't know if that is your thing or not but it might be worth it to go a few times to get support from people who have BTDT themselves or with loved ones. It can be nice to be assured that you aren't being unreasonable or crazy and have people who won't judge you to vent to. unless her divorce decree states that she has sole legal and physical custody without visitation, he is allowed to pick them up. My decree says that. He legally can not pick them up.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 15, 2014 11:46:51 GMT -5
You are setting boundaries - but also engaging in ongoing "whos at fault", etc. Don't do that. When he makes a reasonable request - like photos - send them without fanfare. When he makes accusations or other unwanted communications - either don't respond - or only respond with the appropriate response such as "you may call the kids when you like". It's a process to disengage, so keep distancing yourself. Thanks, I know you are right & I need to try harder. It is just soooo hard not to reply when he is being an ass & baiting me. I am doing better though & have successfully ignored so many emails & casual statements that I use to respond to. Didn't ask where the hell he was suppossedly waiting & didn't ask why he wasn't living with his new GF, although I am curious about both. From here forward, since I feel I have made it clear that I am done communicating outside of issues regardin the kids, hopefully I will be much better. I did feel bad disengaging without at least telling him I was doing so.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 15, 2014 13:35:56 GMT -5
I just saw this: news.msn.com/us/new-hampshire-declares-state-of-emergency-over-synthetic-drugThey call it smacked in NH instead of spice, but it is the same thing. 44 people have OD'ed in 5 days so the governer actually declared a state of emergency. Convenience stores were selling the stuff. So the stuff is definitely still out there. And ex tried to convince it was a non-issue because you couldn't buy it anymore.
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Post by The Captain on Aug 15, 2014 13:37:28 GMT -5
I just saw this: news.msn.com/us/new-hampshire-declares-state-of-emergency-over-synthetic-drugThey call it smacked in NH instead of spice, but it is the same thing. 44 people have OD'ed in 5 days so the governer actually declared a state of emergency. Convenience stores were selling the stuff. So the stuff is definitely still out there. And ex tried to convince it was a non-issue because you couldn't buy it anymore. You beat me to it, I was just about to post and apologise if I was hijacking your thread...
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Post by Angel! on Aug 15, 2014 13:45:09 GMT -5
It seemed relevant, so I wouldn't have considered it a hijack. Even more relevant I have now gotten 2 emails filled with...I never should have loved you, you are evil, I can't stop crying, I was so sad I didn't get to wave at DS1 today, tell the kids goodbye forever & tell them it is because their mother is selfish, it isn't fair you took my kids, etc, etc, etc. My favorite was the last line "I am done trying to be the bigger man" I just replied with "Let me know when you would like to see or talk to the kids"
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 15, 2014 13:46:27 GMT -5
Angel, figure this will escalate since he isn't getting a rise out of you. Keep it cool and direct. Also keep all emails.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 15, 2014 13:47:31 GMT -5
Make sure a copy of that order only allowing you to pick up your children is on file with school and that a notation is put on your child's file.
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