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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jul 22, 2014 12:13:25 GMT -5
And ARchie beat me to it.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jul 22, 2014 12:14:54 GMT -5
No, I believe the daughter to still be in state custody.
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Post by Firebird on Jul 22, 2014 12:15:33 GMT -5
Did she get her kid back yet? Hopefully some of that $25k can go toward summer programs for her daughter in the future. Especially if her lawyer is only charging $10k.
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Post by Firebird on Jul 22, 2014 12:16:02 GMT -5
No, I believe the daughter to still be in state custody. That sucks.
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Post by greeniis10 on Jul 22, 2014 12:23:31 GMT -5
In addition to the legal fees, I sure hope some of it goes to therapy for the daughter. I can't imagine the trauma she has gone through! Not to mention what she's had to endure via comments by classmates.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jul 22, 2014 12:24:41 GMT -5
her lawyer is working pro bono, so this money is going to all go into her pocket, or the pocket of the person who set up the fundraiser.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jul 22, 2014 12:38:17 GMT -5
Slate's doing a survey this week. "Since the Harrell story seemed to hit a nerve, we want to hear from you in a more orderly fashion. We’ve set up a survey so that you can tell us when you were allowed to do things alone, such as walk to school, go to a playground, or use sharp tools. We also included questions for parents, about when they allow, or plan to allow their children to do those same things. We want to try to pinpoint when things changed, and who they changed for: Did kids who grew up less privileged or in rural spaces have more freedom than their wealthier and more urban counterparts? Does that difference persist today? www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/07/22/slate_survey_readers_tell_us_when_you_were_first_allowed_to_do_things_alone.html."
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 22, 2014 12:47:28 GMT -5
Did she get her kid back yet? Hopefully some of that $25k can go toward summer programs for her daughter in the future. Especially if her lawyer is only charging $10k. Why would she need summer programs now? As she's lost her job, she now no longer needs help for her daughter while she's at work. And the money left from this fiasco is probably going to be needed to tide them over until the mother can become employed again.
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Post by Firebird on Jul 22, 2014 13:16:06 GMT -5
I'm assuming she'll have another job at some point in her daughter's childhood. A summer program would probably be more fun for her than hanging at a park all day anyway.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 22, 2014 13:19:43 GMT -5
I'm assuming she'll have another job at some point in her daughter's childhood
If she ends up with a record because of this it's going to be hard to find any type of job.
And she can't have $10k+ in assets if they end up having to go on the dole till she finds another job.
If she still had her job setting side part of the money for future daycare costs would make sense but if they need to keep the roof over their heads while she's unemployed it makes more sense to use the money for that.
She's got a lot more pressing concerns thanks to McD's firing her. I'm not going to berate/judge her if she isn't thinking about a year or more into the future in regards to childcare.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 22, 2014 13:26:02 GMT -5
I'm assuming she'll have another job at some point in her daughter's childhood. A summer program would probably be more fun for her than hanging at a park all day anyway. At $600/mo? Yeah, it would be more fun but spending $1800 for a summer's worth of entertainment isn't really fiscally sound, especially at this point. Chances are this firing/and charges will make it more difficult for the mother to find a job in the future. Not only that, when she does get her child back, CPS is going to be checking in regularly to make sure that the child isn't alone....despite the fact that in SC, an 8 year old can stay alone in their home. If there is the slightest hint of anything, they'll probably jump on it.
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Post by greeniis10 on Jul 22, 2014 13:42:54 GMT -5
I wonder if her lawyer can make some kind of deal to remove the criminal record. Even if she had to pay him, using the money that way should pay off as it should help keep her employable. Of course, with all the media and news stories no one is going to forget her name for a while, so this will probably no doubt follow her the rest of her life.
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Post by swamp on Jul 22, 2014 14:03:22 GMT -5
She hasn't been convicted yet. I don't see a jury convicting her.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 22, 2014 14:07:57 GMT -5
OJ wasn't convicted either. Would you hire him?
She was working at McDonald's. Last I looked that's a pretty low skill job with plenty of applicants. Except in North Dakota. Why hire the one with reporters and crap hounding her all the time and potentially take on that extra drama when you have 10 other low skill applicants that are ready and willing to do the job?
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jul 22, 2014 14:12:03 GMT -5
or maybe she was stuffing mcBurgers in her pocket before going to pick up her girl at the park.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jul 22, 2014 14:12:30 GMT -5
OJ wasn't convicted either. Would you hire him? How can you even compare the two? Or are you joking and can't use emotes? I forget - you've been gone so much lately. I feel so bad for this lady. I would not leave my kid at a park for hours if I were at work, however, now that I've read more info. I don't see how her arrest was warranted. I rarely feel this way but since this could ruin her life I hope she can sue for damages. Her life has just been turned upside down. But if something happened to her kid (yeah, I know there are tons of other bad things that could happen but I'm discussing THIS situation) that would have turned it upside down even worse. But I agree that mom's are damned if they do and damned if they don't even more today than ever.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 22, 2014 14:29:58 GMT -5
Let me break it down.
Somebody said something about the mother in question having trouble finding another job due to this fiasco.
Swamp said she wasn't even convicted yet.
I tried to point out that being in the news is its own conviction in a way.
Look at how strongly you reacted to me using OJ. The guy is innocent. According to our legal system he did absolutely nothing wrong (well, until recently), but here we are twenty years later and just mentioning his name puts your hackles up.
The mother in this case will have the same problem. I don't really see a problem with what she did given all the additional details that have come out, but if you don't think this whole fiasco is going to follow her for a while you're delusional. Hiring managers for McDonald's just want somebody that will pass a drug screen, get their food handler card, and show up reliably when they're on the schedule. This woman has drama attached to her now. Rightly or wrongly, she'll be judged just for being in the news even if she didn't do anything. I can totally see her having problems finding another job to replace the one she just lost.
How many people won't even remember all the details, and will just think of her as the mom who abandoned her kid at a park all day? I'm guessing quite a few.
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Post by swamp on Jul 22, 2014 14:32:25 GMT -5
Nobody will remember her name. Unless they do a background check or google her.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 22, 2014 14:33:03 GMT -5
Yep, she's already been convicted in the court of public opinion. Even if she doesn't have a formal record employers in her area will find other reasons to put her application in the shredder. Nobody is going to be stupid enough to say out loud it's because you were in the news, it'll be for "legit" reasons.
At least for awhile. I doubt it'll be forever but it might be long enough that trying to hold onto enough of that $25k to cover another 4 years of summer childcare wouldn't be prudent.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jul 22, 2014 14:36:10 GMT -5
Let me break it down. Somebody said something about the mother in question having trouble finding another job due to this fiasco. Swamp said she wasn't even convicted yet. I tried to point out that being in the news is its own conviction in a way. Look at how strongly you reacted to me using OJ. The guy is innocent. According to our legal system he did absolutely nothing wrong (well, until recently), but here we are twenty years later and just mentioning his name puts your hackles up. The mother in this case will have the same problem. I don't really see a problem with what she did given all the additional details that have come out, but if you don't think this whole fiasco is going to follow her for a while you're delusional. Hiring managers for McDonald's just want somebody that will pass a drug screen, get their food handler card, and show up reliably when they're on the schedule. This woman has drama attached to her now. Rightly or wrongly, she'll be judged just for being in the news even if she didn't do anything. I can totally see her having problems finding another job to replace the one she just lost. How many people won't even remember all the details, and will just think of her as the mom who abandoned her kid at a park all day? I'm guessing quite a few. I didn't react strongly - I was genuinely confused but now that you've explained it I get what you meant. Hopefully (yes, I'm a glass half full kind of person) this will work in her favor and she'll get a better job from somebody who's been following this story and sees her side of it along with getting a bunch of money to find a better place for her daughter to be when she goes back to work.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 14:36:25 GMT -5
Nobody will remember her name. Unless they do a background check or google her. I'm talking about her right now and don't know her name.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 22, 2014 14:44:26 GMT -5
Nationally, no. Shit I'm talking about her right now and don't know her name. Locally, I'm betting most everyone there knows her name at this point. When all the big national news outlets send reporters to cover a local story it makes an impression on the locals.
Background checks are pretty common now too. I believe they show both arrests and convictions, but I could be wrong about that. I don't see a business hiring a minimum wage worker with an arrest for felony unlawful conduct towards a child, even if she is found not guilty. I know I wouldn't, but my business is kid focused. My insurance agent would probably murder me if he found out I hired somebody with any connection to child mistreatment and had them work during our free children's craft/science days. It's asking for a lawsuit if anything were to happen, or be alleged to have happened.
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 22, 2014 14:55:06 GMT -5
Look at how strongly you reacted to me using OJ. The guy is innocent.
Um, no. The guy was judged by a jury of his peers to be Not Guilty. That does not mean he is innocent. Just sayin' . . .
Now back to the regularly scheduled thread . . . .
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 22, 2014 15:13:51 GMT -5
In our system it does. You're either guilty or not guilty. It's a black and white thing. You aren't supposed to be judged for crimes you didn't commit, and a jury of his peers said OJ was not guilty of committing that crime.
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 22, 2014 15:16:05 GMT -5
In our system it does. You're either guilty or not guilty. It's a black and white thing. You aren't supposed to be judged for crimes you didn't commit, and a jury of his peers said OJ was not guilty of committing that crime.
Failure to convict based on lack of evidence or reasonable doubt does NOT mean you did not commit the crime. It does not mean you didn't do it, it just means you weren't convicted. Just sayin' . . .
Agree to disagree.
Now back to the thread at hand . . .
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 22, 2014 15:18:11 GMT -5
So, let me ask then, does that mean people should be judged for getting arrested even if there's no conviction?
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 22, 2014 15:20:33 GMT -5
So, let me ask then, does that mean people should be judged for getting arrested even if there's no conviction?
Nope. It only means that some people commit crimes and get away with it. Just like some people DON'T commit crimes and yet get convicted for them (and historically some of them have even been executed for them!). Just because you were not convicted does NOT mean you didn't do it. I'm not implying or inferring anything else here. My statement is exactly as it stands at face value.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 22, 2014 15:22:27 GMT -5
So we agree, not guilty is the same as innocent in our current system.
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 22, 2014 15:23:18 GMT -5
So we agree, not guilty is the same as innocent in our current system.
It may be in THE SYSTEM, but it is not in REALITY/the real world (sometimes).
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 22, 2014 15:27:53 GMT -5
Which is the whole point I was trying to make with the OJ example in the first place. In our society being accused of a crime can fuck up your life almost as much as being convicted of a crime. This mom is going to have felony child mistreatment charges on her record for life. I agree with Swamp that a conviction seems pretty unlikely, but she's already pretty fucked just due to the arrest and charges.
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