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Post by EVT1 on May 1, 2014 2:38:06 GMT -5
In Montana, Markus Kaarma told investigators his Missoula home had been burglarized twice within the last week before Sunday's shooting death of 17-year-old Diren Dede. Kaarma told his hairdresser he had stayed up three nights waiting to shoot a kid, the woman told investigators. The night of the shooting, Kaarma and his partner, Janelle Pflager, left their garage door open. Pflager left her purse in the garage "so that they would take it," she told a police officer. She also set up a video baby monitor and installed motion sensors, prosecutors said. After midnight, they heard the sensors trip. Pflager turned to the video monitor and saw a man in the garage. Kaarma took his shotgun, walked out the front door and to the driveway. He told investigators he heard metal on metal and without speaking fired four times — sweeping the garage with three low shots and a high fourth shot. Dede was hit in the head and the arm WTF? My guess is KAARMA is coming www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/01/limits-stand-your-ground-law-tested-in-recent-shootings-in-montana-minnesota/Sure- self defense covers going into your garage Lock this shithead up too, thanks.
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Post by truthbound on May 1, 2014 3:39:15 GMT -5
You have a real problem with guns we get it.
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Post by zibazinski on May 1, 2014 5:29:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 8:09:53 GMT -5
Over the top.
You are not afraid of burglary when you set a trap to make your house get robbed. You are just mad and want to get even.
Afraid has different behavior. Lock em up.
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Post by Shooby on May 1, 2014 8:14:00 GMT -5
Where is the info about the staging, etc? The link you provided doesn't have the level of detail of what you mentioned?
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Post by mmhmm on May 1, 2014 8:13:57 GMT -5
You have a real problem with guns we get it. I'm pretty sure EVT doesn't have a problem with guns, in general, since he owns at least one. You don't get it, at all.
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Post by zibazinski on May 1, 2014 8:20:46 GMT -5
That's HIS story but his stories are never the same. They change according to his mood.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 1, 2014 8:25:23 GMT -5
Where is the info about the staging, etc? The link you provided doesn't have the level of detail of what you mentioned? ABC News
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Post by Shooby on May 1, 2014 8:26:03 GMT -5
OK, thanks Tenne.
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Post by Shooby on May 1, 2014 8:28:16 GMT -5
If you are outside shooting IN to your home, that isn't self defense. That is ridiculous.
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Post by mmhmm on May 1, 2014 8:34:30 GMT -5
That's HIS story but his stories are never the same. They change according to his mood. I've never seen that story change, zib. Perhaps you'd like to link to a post in which EVT states he doesn't own guns? If not, cut it out with the spurious accusations.
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Post by Shooby on May 1, 2014 8:38:33 GMT -5
People who BELIEVE in the right to lethal self defense should stand more vigorously against people who falsely use that as an excuse.
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Post by mmhmm on May 1, 2014 8:43:15 GMT -5
From what I've read, this one sounds like it could well go the way of the Smith case. This was definitely premeditated. I agree with Shoobs on this one. This kind of thing is what will bring down the right to actually defend yourself against intruders who mean to harm you.
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Post by jkapp on May 1, 2014 8:53:28 GMT -5
What I can't believe is these idiot kids are so stupid as to continually rob the same place...that's pretty much asking to be shot at that point. Their luck will run out quick. And the proof of their stupidity is when they fall for such an obvious ruse. On another note, my neighbors across the street had a young man break into their garage a couple of years ago. The neighbors called the police who showed up just in time to watch the young man running away...and they never caught him. So that young man was free to violate another person all thanks to "doing the right thing."
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Post by billisonboard on May 1, 2014 9:03:36 GMT -5
The Moon Cannot Be Stolen
A Zen Master lived the simplest kind of life in a little hut at the foot of a mountain. One evening, while he was away, a thief sneaked into the hut only to find there was nothing in it to steal.
The Zen Master returned and found him. "You have come a long way to visit me," he told the prowler, "and you should not return empty handed. Please take my clothes as a gift."
The thief was bewildered, but he took the clothes and ran away.
The Master sat naked, watching the moon. "Poor fellow," he mused, " I wish I could give him this beautiful moon."
goto.bilkent.edu.tr/gunes/ZEN/zenstories.htm
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Post by mmhmm on May 1, 2014 9:04:44 GMT -5
Was the young man who was running away hauling several bags of loot with him? Did he actually steal anything, jkapp?
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Post by jkapp on May 1, 2014 9:12:36 GMT -5
Was the young man who was running away hauling several bags of loot with him? Did he actually steal anything, jkapp? Yes, he took their toolbox full of tools and a sprinkler head (that one baffles me, though ). It was a garage, so most likely he checked the cars first and found nothing, so rummaged through the rest of the place to take what little there was worth taking.
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Post by mmhmm on May 1, 2014 9:14:06 GMT -5
So, he got away with a toolbox and a sprinkler head? What would be a just punishment for that? Should the police have shot him dead while he was fleeing? Really?
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Post by billisonboard on May 1, 2014 9:26:34 GMT -5
Either impressive young fellow or very unimpressive police.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 9:34:50 GMT -5
Hey!! If you don't want someone shooting at you, keep your darn hands off their shit.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 1, 2014 9:45:21 GMT -5
So, he got away with a toolbox and a sprinkler head? What would be a just punishment for that? Should the police have shot him dead while he was fleeing? Really? That's not the point. What if this toolbox was this man's livelihood? Does your opinion change?
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Post by mmhmm on May 1, 2014 9:47:32 GMT -5
So, he got away with a toolbox and a sprinkler head? What would be a just punishment for that? Should the police have shot him dead while he was fleeing? Really? That's not the point. What if this toolbox was this man's livelihood? Does your opinion change? No. It's still things. It can be replaced. Life cannot. When you're dead, you're dead. To me, that is the point.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 1, 2014 9:51:33 GMT -5
That's not the point. What if this toolbox was this man's livelihood? Does your opinion change? No. It's still things. It can be replaced. Life cannot. When you're dead, you're dead. To me, that is the point. No, not all 'things' can be replaced. I have a lot of heirlooms that I received after my grandmother's death. They were not expensive, but they were a piece of her that I got to keep after her death. When I was robbed, my jewelry box was emptied (into my pillowcases), and that mostly costume jewelry, along with her wedding band went too. My class ring was stolen. The pendant my parents gave me for my 21st birthday was stolen. These were all things I treasured, that were irreplaceable. That hurt, because I know that they picked through it and tossed it away.
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Post by billisonboard on May 1, 2014 9:54:53 GMT -5
No. It's still things. It can be replaced. Life cannot. When you're dead, you're dead. To me, that is the point. No, not all 'things' can be replaced. I have a lot of heirlooms that I received after my grandmother's death. They were not expensive, but they were a piece of her that I got to keep after her death. When I was robbed, my jewelry box was emptied (into my pillowcases), and that mostly costume jewelry, along with her wedding band went too. My class ring was stolen. The pendant my parents gave me for my 21st birthday was stolen. These were all things I treasured, that were irreplaceable. That hurt, because I know that they picked through it and tossed it away. And then life went on.
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Post by mmhmm on May 1, 2014 9:56:10 GMT -5
No. It's still things. It can be replaced. Life cannot. When you're dead, you're dead. To me, that is the point. No, not all 'things' can be replaced. I have a lot of heirlooms that I received after my grandmother's death. They were not expensive, but they were a piece of her that I got to keep after her death. When I was robbed, my jewelry box was emptied (into my pillowcases), and that mostly costume jewelry, along with her wedding band went too. My class ring was stolen. The pendant my parents gave me for my 21st birthday was stolen. These were all things I treasured, that were irreplaceable. That hurt, because I know that they picked through it and tossed it away. I'm sorry for your loss, Mich, and I can imagine the loss was painful to you. If that loss is worth someone's life to you, that's your decision to make. It wouldn't be to me. In this case, we were talking about a toolbox, however.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 1, 2014 10:01:36 GMT -5
No, not all 'things' can be replaced. I have a lot of heirlooms that I received after my grandmother's death. They were not expensive, but they were a piece of her that I got to keep after her death. When I was robbed, my jewelry box was emptied (into my pillowcases), and that mostly costume jewelry, along with her wedding band went too. My class ring was stolen. The pendant my parents gave me for my 21st birthday was stolen. These were all things I treasured, that were irreplaceable. That hurt, because I know that they picked through it and tossed it away. I'm sorry for your loss, Mich, and I can imagine the loss was painful to you. If that loss is worth someone's life to you, that's your decision to make. It wouldn't be to me. In this case, we were talking about a toolbox, however. I repeat....for many, that toolbox is how they put food on the table. Yes, it is replaceable but many do not have the insurance or the money to do so.
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Post by billisonboard on May 1, 2014 10:09:50 GMT -5
I have one small item sitting on a shelf that I got from my mother's home. If I were to kill someone over possession of it, it would no longer hold for me her loving essence.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on May 1, 2014 10:17:39 GMT -5
I even have a problem with this. In your home? Fire away and screw 'em. But in your garage? Nope. If the criminal made it into the house, that's a different story, but he can't hurt you from the garage. I wouldn't have done it this way. And I don't care one whit about "luring" or any other of that nonsense. I care about the possible threat. But then my garage is set up so that a person would have to go through 2 locked doors to get inside the house. Maybe his is different. Don't know. I would have called 911 and waited to see if he got into the house. If he got in before the police got there? He's a goner.
About "things"? I kind of agree with everyone. My billfold was stolen and in it was a picture of my father and me from when I was 5. It meant a lot to me. That picture is forever gone and it cannot be replaced. As dramatic as it sounds, a small piece of my heart was stolen, too. So much of what caused it to go missing was a series of really dumb things on my part...all the way from not making a copy to leaving my billfold on a counter in a store. Still hurts.
That being said, I'm not going to die from the loss. It can't be replaced and I'm quite sure whomever took my billfold doesn't even know what he/she took. An important part of my life is gone...but I am still alive.
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