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Post by mmhmm on May 1, 2014 10:22:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry for your loss, Mich, and I can imagine the loss was painful to you. If that loss is worth someone's life to you, that's your decision to make. It wouldn't be to me. In this case, we were talking about a toolbox, however. I repeat....for many, that toolbox is how they put food on the table. Yes, it is replaceable but many do not have the insurance or the money to do so. If something is your livelihood, and that important to you, why would you not have it insured? If you don't have it insured, that's the choice you made. There's no way on earth we're ever going to stop crimes from happening. Anyone who thinks we are is living in a dream world. The best we can do is hope crimes don't happen to us because they're not going away. In the case brought forth in the OP, the people whose garage was "invaded" left it unlocked, left a purse in it, and made it quite clear they were itching to be robbed, did they not? How is what you're talking about relevant to that, Mich? It isn't. |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 1, 2014 10:31:49 GMT -5
If something is your livelihood, and that important to you, why would you not have it insured?
Ummm, because you can't afford it? I did not have insurance on my stuff when I was burgled in Boston. I could not afford it, because there were so many that it was ridiculous. I was making a whopping $500/month and 50% of that was my rent. This was for a 2 room hovel, about 200 sq ft, so paying $30/mo wasn't happening. Rental insurance gets expensive when it isn't combined with auto insurance and I didn't have a car (because I couldn't afford it) .
I do not believe I was commenting on the homeowner who left his garage open. That was dumb.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 10:33:34 GMT -5
I do not believe I was commenting on the homeowner who left his garage open. That was dumb. Stealing is still stealing. Doesn't matter if the garage is open or not. |
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Post by billisonboard on May 1, 2014 11:01:39 GMT -5
I do not believe I was commenting on the homeowner who left his garage open. That was dumb. Stealing is still stealing. Doesn't matter if the garage is open or not. And the person caught doing so should be charged and convicted. The question is should a home owner be able to set up a situation like this and then shoot the person who is stealing. Can't do it with bears in Montana www.humanesociety.org/issues/bear_hunting/facts/bear_baiting_laws.html#.U2JvkXvn_MI |
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Post by jkapp on May 1, 2014 11:09:10 GMT -5
So, he got away with a toolbox and a sprinkler head? What would be a just punishment for that? Should the police have shot him dead while he was fleeing? Really? The garage was attached to the home and locked...that's breaking and entering, plus the theft charges. Unless that isn't a crime for some people anymore? |
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on May 1, 2014 11:12:03 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on May 1, 2014 11:12:40 GMT -5
Of course breaking and entering is a crime. Nobody said it wasn't a crime. Is someone breaking into a garage a crime that deserves the death penalty? Perhaps, to you, it is. It isn't to me.
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Post by jkapp on May 1, 2014 11:12:30 GMT -5
That's not the point. What if this toolbox was this man's livelihood? Does your opinion change? No. It's still things. It can be replaced. Life cannot. When you're dead, you're dead. To me, that is the point. So my baby book that my parents gave me when they retired, which was stolen from a storage locker, can be replaced? Great...please tell me how. Or my brother's track ribbons that he had in the storage locker, too, how does he go about replacing those? My grandparents' desk, that my grandfather built which our parents gave to us, which was also in the locker, is also replaceable somehow? Wow, where have you been for the past several years? We never realized we could replace irreplaceable things...  |
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Post by mmhmm on May 1, 2014 11:14:13 GMT -5
No. It's still things. It can be replaced. Life cannot. When you're dead, you're dead. To me, that is the point. So my baby book that my parents gave me when they retired, which was stolen from a storage locker, can be replaced? Great...please tell me how. Or my brother's track ribbons that he had in the storage locker, too, how does he go about replacing those? My grandparents' desk, that my grandfather built which our parents gave to us, which was also in the locker, is also replaceable somehow? Wow, where have you been for the past several years? We never realized we could replace irreplaceable things... While you may not be able to replace those special items, you can't bring the dead back to life, either. One will cause you some emotional pain. The other means you're gone - permanently. I see a major difference there and it's one that has meaning to me. YMMV |
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Post by jkapp on May 1, 2014 11:17:33 GMT -5
Of course breaking and entering is a crime. Nobody said it wasn't a crime. Is someone breaking into a garage a crime that deserves the death penalty? Perhaps, to you, it is. It isn't to me. Yes, and the police did a great job of arresting the thief, didn't they? Oh, that's right, no one got charged for the crime, and the thief could come right back and do it again - kind of like what happened to the home in the OP. |
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Post by jkapp on May 1, 2014 11:18:40 GMT -5
So my baby book that my parents gave me when they retired, which was stolen from a storage locker, can be replaced? Great...please tell me how. Or my brother's track ribbons that he had in the storage locker, too, how does he go about replacing those? My grandparents' desk, that my grandfather built which our parents gave to us, which was also in the locker, is also replaceable somehow? Wow, where have you been for the past several years? We never realized we could replace irreplaceable things... While you may not be able to replace those special items, you can't bring the dead back to life, either. One will cause you some emotional pain. The other means you're gone - permanently. I see a major difference there and it's one that has meaning to me. YMMV Yes, because we have a much better society that's full of thieves and cops that can't catch them... |
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Post by mmhmm on May 1, 2014 11:20:32 GMT -5
While you may not be able to replace those special items, you can't bring the dead back to life, either. One will cause you some emotional pain. The other means you're gone - permanently. I see a major difference there and it's one that has meaning to me. YMMV Yes, because we have a much better society that's full of thieves and cops that can't catch them... So, it's better to have a "society that's full of" dead bodies of dumb kids? Somehow, I don't see that as an improvement. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 1, 2014 12:06:59 GMT -5
Of course breaking and entering is a crime. Nobody said it wasn't a crime. Is someone breaking into a garage a crime that deserves the death penalty? Perhaps, to you, it is. It isn't to me. again, mmhmm, it is not just you. if you want to know what MOST people think an appropriate penalty is for B&E, you can look at the sentencing laws. but some people apparently think that shoplifting and smoking pot merits the death penalty, so there is really no accounting for individual ideas of what is just. this is precisely why we need a judicial system. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 1, 2014 12:08:21 GMT -5
No. It's still things. It can be replaced. Life cannot. When you're dead, you're dead. To me, that is the point. So my baby book that my parents gave me when they retired, which was stolen from a storage locker, can be replaced? Great...please tell me how. Or my brother's track ribbons that he had in the storage locker, too, how does he go about replacing those? My grandparents' desk, that my grandfather built which our parents gave to us, which was also in the locker, is also replaceable somehow? dude. you have a shi-TAY storage locker. mine had 24/7 surveillance. nothing was ever stolen. |
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Post by billisonboard on May 1, 2014 12:46:55 GMT -5
No. It's still things. It can be replaced. Life cannot. When you're dead, you're dead. To me, that is the point. So my baby book that my parents gave me when they retired, which was stolen from a storage locker, can be replaced? Great...please tell me how. Or my brother's track ribbons that he had in the storage locker, too, how does he go about replacing those? My grandparents' desk, that my grandfather built which our parents gave to us, which was also in the locker, is also replaceable somehow? Wow, where have you been for the past several years? We never realized we could replace irreplaceable things... It must have been devastating to have all that near and dear to your heart stuff you piled up in a storage locker taken.  |
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Post by EVT1 on May 1, 2014 12:51:51 GMT -5
So, he got away with a toolbox and a sprinkler head? What would be a just punishment for that? Should the police have shot him dead while he was fleeing? Really? The garage was attached to the home and locked...that's breaking and entering, plus the theft charges. Unless that isn't a crime for some people anymore? If you had read the post it was made clear that the garage was left open- so no breaking and entering. So at best it was trespass and theft- misdemeanors. Not cause to shoot someone over. Also- police cannot shoot fleeing thieves or burglars-Scotus settled that a long time ago. In TX people can shoot over property some times- but not surprising coming from such a morally bankrupt state. Doesn't make it right. |
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Post by billisonboard on May 1, 2014 13:20:24 GMT -5
Bears don't know any better. People do. Vermin don't know any better either. |
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Post by jkapp on May 1, 2014 15:38:40 GMT -5
So my baby book that my parents gave me when they retired, which was stolen from a storage locker, can be replaced? Great...please tell me how. Or my brother's track ribbons that he had in the storage locker, too, how does he go about replacing those? My grandparents' desk, that my grandfather built which our parents gave to us, which was also in the locker, is also replaceable somehow? Wow, where have you been for the past several years? We never realized we could replace irreplaceable things... It must have been devastating to have all that near and dear to your heart stuff you piled up in a storage locker taken. Well when you are relocating and in the process of finding a house/apartment, you can't exactly drive around a U-Haul all day...and unfortunately I wasn't able to use that Pod company at the time as they didn't provide service in that area at the time (I would have loved one of those Pods). |
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Post by jkapp on May 1, 2014 15:42:59 GMT -5
The garage was attached to the home and locked...that's breaking and entering, plus the theft charges. Unless that isn't a crime for some people anymore? If you had read the post it was made clear that the garage was left open- so no breaking and entering. So at best it was trespass and theft- misdemeanors. Not cause to shoot someone over. Also- police cannot shoot fleeing thieves or burglars-Scotus settled that a long time ago. In TX people can shoot over property some times- but not surprising coming from such a morally bankrupt state. Doesn't make it right. The breaking and entering part was on my neighbor's house, not a comment on the OP. And who said anything about shooting fleeing suspects? I would actually prefer they be arrested, but the police seem to be pretty bad at that (apparently, according to the left, they only seem to arrest innocent people). So when the police fail to protect us and our property, what you're saying is that we just have to take it up the ass? |
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 2, 2014 11:25:12 GMT -5
Well its really upset the Germans..... seeing as this kid was a German exchange student with just a few weeks to go.
His dad says the US cannot go on playing cowboys.
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Post by zibazinski on May 2, 2014 12:15:01 GMT -5
Don't trespass. It's against the law and now it can be deadly.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on May 2, 2014 13:45:45 GMT -5
Good heavens, has the whole world lost it's damn mind? Where is common sense in any of this? 1) don't take things that are not yours. 2) don't set a human trap intending to harm another person.
Breaking/entering could always be deadly. By going into someone else's home uninvited, you have no idea what waits on the other side of the door and you take a great risk by going in. On the other hand, don't bait people into your home to execute them for misdemeanors!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 2, 2014 13:51:20 GMT -5
On the other hand, don't bait people into your home to execute them for misdemeanors!
Breaking into a home and stealing items is not a misdemeanor, but a felony.
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Post by zibazinski on May 2, 2014 13:52:06 GMT -5
I don't consider stealing my stuff to be a minor crime. I realize others do.
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Post by zibazinski on May 2, 2014 13:55:56 GMT -5
But I'm also not willing to "chance" that they just want my tv, either. You come into my house, you're leaving in a body bag.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 14:27:25 GMT -5
Using your comparison this means if I don't bait the criminals I can shoot them ? Does this apply to all convicted criminals and crime in progress ? |
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Post by zibazinski on May 2, 2014 15:42:20 GMT -5
Listen, even if my neighbor "baits me" with him going out of town, I still have NO RIGHT to break into his home and steal his wine collection that I am seriously coveting. If he's hiding in his basement and shoots me dead, I DESERVED it.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 2, 2014 16:21:50 GMT -5
If you had read the post it was made clear that the garage was left open- so no breaking and entering. So at best it was trespass and theft- misdemeanors. Not cause to shoot someone over. Also- police cannot shoot fleeing thieves or burglars-Scotus settled that a long time ago. In TX people can shoot over property some times- but not surprising coming from such a morally bankrupt state. Doesn't make it right. The breaking and entering part was on my neighbor's house, not a comment on the OP. And who said anything about shooting fleeing suspects? I would actually prefer they be arrested, but the police seem to be pretty bad at that (apparently, according to the left, they only seem to arrest innocent people). So when the police fail to protect us and our property, what you're saying is that we just have to take it up the ass? do you have insurance, jk? |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 2, 2014 16:22:46 GMT -5
Don't trespass. It's against the law and now it can be deadly. it could always be deadly. now, trespassers are much more likely to carry. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 2, 2014 16:24:45 GMT -5
Listen, even if my neighbor "baits me" with him going out of town, I still have NO RIGHT to break into his home and steal his wine collection that I am seriously coveting. If he's hiding in his basement and shoots me dead, I DESERVED it. you're entitled to your opinion. but i think that very few people would agree that property crime deserves the death penalty. |
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