Judge rules baker must bake wedding cakes for gays

[workpublic]

no matter what his religious beliefs are

this will make some of you giddy and some of you livid.

abcnews.go.com/US/judge-orders-colorado-bakery-cater-sex-weddings/story?id=21136505

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

While I support a business's right to decide it's clientele I do not understand being dumb enough to voice out loud you refuse to bake the cake because they're gay when you live in a state that has a law saying you can't do that.  You just declared open season on yourself.

Just say you're booked solid.  They might figure out what's going on but you have deniability.

As far as the ruling I do think it's stupid and a hollow victory.  There should be a consequence (maybe a fine?) for breaking the law but I don't think forcing them to bake a cake really solves anything.

[swamp]

Dec 9, 2013 15:58:13 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

Do you really want to force someone to make you food that doesn't want to?  

Loogie covered wedding cake, anyone?

[Deleted]

Dec 9, 2013 15:49:00 GMT -5 workpublic said:

no matter what his religious beliefs are

this will make some of you giddy and some of you livid.

abcnews.go.com/US/judge-orders-colorado-bakery-cater-sex-weddings/story?id=21136505

I wonder if prostitutes at the Bunny ranch could be forced to have gay sex.  I mean if you offer straight sex you can't discriminate against gay sex, right?

[Malarky]

Dec 9, 2013 16:09:09 GMT -5 swamp said:

Dec 9, 2013 15:58:13 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

Do you really want to force someone to make you food that doesn't want to?  

Loogie covered wedding cake, anyone?

If you force me to make your cake, I assure you that you won't want to eat the result. 

It wouldn't contain any non food items, but you won't like the flavor.  Baking is chemistry. 

[Deleted]

Dec 9, 2013 15:58:13 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

It's a bit of a hollow victory for gay people.  

Do you really want to force someone to make you food that doesn't want to?   If it were me, I would rather know upfront that they didn't want my business. 

Wouldn't you want to patronize places that wanted your business and support your ideals?

Truthfully I have very little to comment on the actual issue.  



ETA: maybe ideals isn't the right word to use.  Lifestyle maybe?  

you havent been paying attention

same case as the washington/oregon one

only this time being threatened with fines so far (not closure)

and no....the lgbt groups dont like the word "no"

[Deleted]

Dec 9, 2013 16:09:09 GMT -5 swamp said:

Dec 9, 2013 15:58:13 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

Do you really want to force someone to make you food that doesn't want to?  

Loogie covered wedding cake, anyone?

the chocolate pie in "the help"

all kinds of mean spirited ways of getting back at the couple

[Tennesseer]

Dec 9, 2013 15:58:13 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

It's a bit of a hollow victory for gay people.  

Do you really want to force someone to make you food that doesn't want to?   If it were me, I would rather know upfront that they didn't want my business. 

Wouldn't you want to patronize places that wanted your business and support your ideals?

Truthfully I have very little to comment on the actual issue.  



ETA: maybe ideals isn't the right word to use.  Lifestyle maybe?  

It is not a victory (great or hollow) for gay people.  It is a victory (if one must use the word) for the non-discrimination laws of Colorado.

My guess is gay people would not use the services of the bakery in question after the rejection. 

[billisonboard]

Under the sole proprietorship, you and your business are viewed as one in the same. Therefore, you have unlimited personal liability for all of the debts and legal liabilities of your sole proprietorship. Your personal assets, such as your home or personal bank account, could be at risk to satisfy unpaid debts, legal judgments, and other legal obligations of your start-up. On the other hand, an LLC is a separate legal entity ... www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/sole-proprietorships-vs-llcs.html

If the bakery is a sole proprietorship, I disagree with the ruling. If it is an LLC, I agree with the ruling. Business people should not be allowed the advantages of an LLC and then be able to claim that they are the business.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 9, 2013 16:18:09 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

Dec 9, 2013 16:09:09 GMT -5 swamp said:

Loogie covered wedding cake, anyone?

the chocolate pie in "the help"

all kinds of mean spirited ways of getting back at the couple

And just think about the police investigation and forensic food analysis of the foul-tasting cake. Why the baker(y) could be doing some serious hard time.

[Jaguar]

HELLO, I would stay ten miles from any business that done that to me. Some things just are not worth the damn headache, they need to find another baker.

[workpublic]

imho this wasn't about the cake. it was about activism, the ACLU and a test case.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 9, 2013 16:43:48 GMT -5 Jaguar said:

HELLO, I would stay ten miles from any business that done that to me. Some things just are not worth the damn headache, they need to find another baker.

They did.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 9, 2013 16:44:57 GMT -5 workpublic said:

imho this wasn't about the cake. it was about activism, the ACLU and a test case.

Are you saying these two guys (I think it was two guys) went to this bakery knowing they would be refused?  Keep in mind, this couple got nothing out of this financially.  The state of Colorado went after the bakery-not the couple.  

[workpublic]

the colorado couple filed the lawsuit/complaint not the state

When Phillips refused, the pair went to the American Civil Liberties Union, which filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission (CCRC) on their behalf.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 9, 2013 16:48:56 GMT -5 workpublic said:

the colorado couple filed the lawsuit not the state

No.  Read your own link.  The state charged the bakery.

Mullins and Craig married in Massachussets and had originally gone to Masterpiece in July 2012 because they wanted to a cake for their wedding reception in Colorado. When Phillips refused, the pair went to the American Civil Liberties Union, which filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission (CCRC) on their behalf.

ETA-nice backtracking.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 9, 2013 16:48:56 GMT -5 workpublic said:

the colorado couple filed the lawsuit/complaint not the state

When Phillips refused, the pair went to the American Civil Liberties Union, which filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission (CCRC) on their behalf.

A complaint is not a lawsuit.

[workpublic]

how did the state know to charge them?

[Tennesseer]

Dec 9, 2013 16:52:41 GMT -5 workpublic said:

how did the state know to charge them?

The ACLU filed the complaint.  The ACLU did not file a lawsuit. What is it you don't understand?

You can file a complaint with the Labor Department about unfair labor practices. Is that a lawsuit against your employer?

[Tennesseer]

Dec 9, 2013 15:49:00 GMT -5 workpublic said:

no matter what his religious beliefs are

this will make some of you giddy and some of you livid.

abcnews.go.com/US/judge-orders-colorado-bakery-cater-sex-weddings/story?id=21136505

I am sure Brown v. Board of Education made some people giddy and some livid too.

[jkapp]

Dec 9, 2013 16:14:16 GMT -5 Malarky said:

Dec 9, 2013 16:09:09 GMT -5 swamp said:

Loogie covered wedding cake, anyone?

If you force me to make your cake, I assure you that you won't want to eat the result. 

It wouldn't contain any non food items, but you won't like the flavor.  Baking is chemistry. 

LOL!  Yes, they would get my patented yellow frosting...don't mind the ammonia smell

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 9, 2013 16:14:16 GMT -5 Malarky said:

Dec 9, 2013 16:09:09 GMT -5 swamp said:

Loogie covered wedding cake, anyone?

If you force me to make your cake, I assure you that you won't want to eat the result. 

It wouldn't contain any non food items, but you won't like the flavor.  Baking is chemistry. 

I said the same in the other thread about the other bakery. Oopsie, did I forget the sugar? Silly me ...no charge, of course ;-)

[zibazinski]

Forcing others to accept your choices doesnt make it any better. I'm quite sure there are gay bakers as well as bakers who don't give a rats rear who you screw as long as your money's green. Go to one of them.

[EVT1]

That is what it boils down to- I doubt any gay people will give them business.  But that is not the point is it?  Can't hang a sign saying no gays, no blacks, etc.  They deserve the ruling.

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Dec 9, 2013 19:18:06 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Forcing others to accept your choices doesnt make it any better. I'm quite sure there are gay bakers as well as bakers who don't give a rats rear who you screw as long as your money's green. Go to one of them.

Sheesh! Where did you get they were "forcing their choices" on the baker? All they wanted was a freaking cake!

If they're smart, they'll snub this baker (while giving them the middle-finger salute) and take their wedding cake order to another baker who's in the business of actually building cakes - not judging people on their lifestyle..

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 10, 2013 0:25:34 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

That is what it boils down to- I doubt any gay people will give them business.  But that is not the point is it?  Can't hang a sign saying no gays, no blacks, etc.  They deserve the ruling.

What is the point then? Do you think this name or anyone like him will suddenly welcome the gays wih open arms? Nope...they will just get smarter and make up lame excuses as to how they are overbooked.


He doesn't want to make the cake...move in and find someone who will. I don't see the big deal.

[marvholly]

Quote: It's a bit of a hollow victory for gay people.

Do you really want to force someone to make you food that doesn't want to? If it were me, I would rather know upfront that they didn't want my business.

Exactly. Who knows what 'extra' ingredient (spit? cayanne?) might get 'accidently' included.

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 10, 2013 6:44:30 GMT -5 marvholly said:

Quote: It's a bit of a hollow victory for gay people.

Do you really want to force someone to make you food that doesn't want to? If it were me, I would rather know upfront that they didn't want my business.

Exactly. Who knows what 'extra' ingredient (spit? cayanne?) might get 'accidently' included.

Exactly...let me preface my next statement with the fact that I am a business person and one person's money is as good as the next, regardless of whether I agree with whatever the hell they are doing.  But, if there was something that I was deadset against and just couldn't bring myself to do business with them, I would be pissed as hell that I would be forced to do business with them.  I would NEVER put any non food ingredients into the cake (that would deserve to have charges filed) but I would totally fuck up their cake.  Whether I forgot the sugar or completely fucked up the design, I WOULD fuck it up.  Shit happens

[zibazinski]

Yes, they did force the baker to bake gays a cake by bringing a lawsuit. They won but what did they really win? A hollow victory. My mom is right, forcing others to accept your lifestyle means you aren't comfortable with it yourself. Always have to "prove" something. Well, you surely showed that baker, huh? Showing the baker with your business and other like minded individuals taking their business elsewhere is the way to do it. They aren't the only baker in town.

[Shooby]

  Well, it is a clear call to business.  Find other ways to turn down the business.  Perhaps by being too "busy" or something.  People who don't want to do something will find ways not to do it.