Family Says They DID Tip Gay Waitress and Didn't Leave Note.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 29, 2013 11:45:34 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

So the members of the Westboro Baptist Church are not bigots (let alone friggin crazy)?

They are bigots - but not solely because of their disagreement of someone's lifestyle.  They are bigots because of their hatred and they are assholes because of their actions.  

And don't forget Attention Whores extraordinaire.

[Value Buy]

Nov 29, 2013 11:42:17 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 29, 2013 11:40:28 GMT -5 grits said:

It is ridiculous to translate a small group into being millions of people. You are lumping a small group of people into being the viewpoint of hundreds of millions. Purely ridiculous. I am well aware of Westboro. They tried to stage something at a funeral in Texas, and people turned out in such large numbers they were able to set up a human barricade to keep Westboro away from the funeral.

Please, please, please, show me where I said millions of people. Thousands to maybe a few millions does not equal millions.  I await your response with bated breathe.

Ahh......."to maybe a few millions does not equal millions"??

In my math class it did.

Anyway, I guess she is nothing more than a sheer piece of work who goes thru life scamming people. 

Leave it to some people to steal the thread and push back on other religious groups rather than staying on topic of a thief.

I would expect some humble pie served by the restaurant to their regular patron, who exposed the scheme.

Although the restaurant was not really guilty of anything other than hiring a less than desireable wait person. 

The person in question has hurt the owner's business operation.

[Green Eyed Lady]

They claim to be Christians. Who is anyone to say they are not.

Anyone who has even the most basic understanding of what being a Christian means.  Anyone who has even only read the Cliff Notes version of the Bible.  Anyone who knows better than to eat dirt.  Anyone who has 1/4 of a brain....

I could go on.

[Tennesseer]

They are simply un-Christ like.  

[Green Eyed Lady]

Nov 29, 2013 12:25:53 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

They are simply un-Christ like.  

lol....they are un-Human like

[Tennesseer]

Nov 29, 2013 12:34:56 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Nov 29, 2013 12:25:53 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

They are simply un-Christ like.  

lol....they are un-Human like

Monsters and Boogeymen usually are.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Just more haters.  Wonder how completely awful a life must be to spend most of it hating someone or something?  Doesn't matter what it is.  Homosexuals, Muslims, Hispanics, Christians, Liberals, Conservatives...must make for a particularly unhappy and totally unproductive life.

Right now, the only thing I hate is the dust that keeps coming into my house.  I plan to go all militant on it in just a few minutes.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 29, 2013 13:20:26 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Just more haters.  Wonder how completely awful a life must be to spend most of it hating someone or something?  Doesn't matter what it is.  Homosexuals, Muslims, Hispanics, Christians, Liberals, Conservatives...must make for a particularly unhappy and totally unproductive life.

Right now, the only thing I hate is the dust that keeps coming into my house.  I plan to go all militant on it in just a few minutes.

Hate has to be as exhausting as chasing damn feral dust bunnies around the house.

[Deleted]

Nov 29, 2013 13:22:34 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 29, 2013 13:20:26 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Just more haters.  Wonder how completely awful a life must be to spend most of it hating someone or something?  Doesn't matter what it is.  Homosexuals, Muslims, Hispanics, Christians, Liberals, Conservatives...must make for a particularly unhappy and totally unproductive life.

Right now, the only thing I hate is the dust that keeps coming into my house.  I plan to go all militant on it in just a few minutes.

Hate has to be as exhausting as chasing damn feral dust bunnies around the house.

Hate isn't exhausting, it's fun, and once the whole world is moving in lock step with my standards I'll give up on it and find another hobby.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Well?  The best part is you aren't going to have to learn to knit or something!

[AGB]

Nov 29, 2013 10:24:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 29, 2013 2:59:55 GMT -5 AGB said:

And if I was looking to garner your support... that would a bad thing. I changed my avatar for the zombie thing around Halloween... haven't gotten around to changing it yet. When I come across something I like, I will. Pinky promise.

The Bay Area National Anarchists (BANA) anticipate a near-future race war ìn which all-white enclaves will have to be created.  Some BANA members call non-white people 'zombies'.

While I am pretty sure that was not your intention to select your avatar for that reason (and you state your avatar was for Halloween only), it did pique my curiosity regarding it.

Oh shucks, you've figured it out... wanna learn our secret handshake...

Feel free to overanalyze why I like Walking Dead, too. Surely, seeing everything and everyone through the lens of racism must get tiresome... I will keep you in my thoughts.

[mtman]

Nov 29, 2013 14:12:26 GMT -5 AGB said:

Nov 29, 2013 10:24:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The Bay Area National Anarchists (BANA) anticipate a near-future race war ìn which all-white enclaves will have to be created.  Some BANA members call non-white people 'zombies'.

While I am pretty sure that was not your intention to select your avatar for that reason (and you state your avatar was for Halloween only), it did pique my curiosity regarding it.

Oh shucks, you've figured it out... wanna learn our secret handshake...

Feel free to overanalyze why I like Walking Dead, too. Surely, seeing everything and everyone through the lens of racism must get tiresome... I will keep you in my thoughts.

You don't wanna piss tennesser off......Will follow you around the boards, nit-picking every post you make.....Sorta like your own personal stalker.

[Green Eyed Lady]

That's interesting.  I piss Tenn off sometimes.  He pisses me off sometimes.  He doesn't stalk me.  You must be special.

Are you sure it's a case of stalking or do you think maybe you post such idiotic, nonsensical, racist, homophobic, ignorant, Deliveranceesque, mean and nasty crap that he sees your posts as some really juicy low-hanging fruit?

I know mods.  I'll go the "ignore" route so I don't get into trouble.  But it was this really pretty apple....

[AGB]

Nov 29, 2013 14:15:55 GMT -5 mtman said:

Nov 29, 2013 14:12:26 GMT -5 AGB said:

Oh shucks, you've figured it out... wanna learn our secret handshake...

Feel free to overanalyze why I like Walking Dead, too. Surely, seeing everything and everyone through the lens of racism must get tiresome... I will keep you in my thoughts.

You don't wanna piss tennesser off......Will follow you around the boards, nit-picking every post you make.....Sorta like your own personal stalker.

I predict he may be too busy trying to figure out why Walking Dead has "non-whites" on Team Human.

All joking aside, I am not trying to piss anyone off. I respect Tenneeseer as a poster and find many of his posts interesting, even the ones I don't agree with. Imo, looking to connect racism to anything and everything people do renders the word meaningless and only takes away from the very real and ugly racism people actually experience. I probably should have said that and left the snark out of it. 

Tennesseer, my reply to you came from a place of emotion, not a place of reason, and I apologize if my delivery pissed you off.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 29, 2013 14:59:30 GMT -5 AGB said:

Nov 29, 2013 14:15:55 GMT -5 mtman said:

You don't wanna piss tennesser off......Will follow you around the boards, nit-picking every post you make.....Sorta like your own personal stalker.

I predict he may be too busy trying to figure out why Walking Dead has "non-whites" on Team Human.

All joking aside, I am not trying to piss anyone off. I respect Tenneeseer as a poster and find many of his posts interesting, even the ones I don't agree with. Imo, looking to connect racism to anything and everything people do renders the word meaningless and only takes away from the very real and ugly racism people actually experience. I probably should have said that and left the snark out of it. 

Tennesseer, my reply to you came from a place of emotion, not a place of reason, and I apologize if my delivery pissed you off.

NO Harm.  NO Foul AGB. 

And if it is any consolation, I am hooked on the American Horror Story series.  Why there were even zombies in this years story line a couple of weeks ago.  If you have not watched it before, may I suggest you do.  It is an outrageous show.  This year it is about Salem witches versus New Orleans Voodoo witches and it all takes place in New Orleans.

Last year the story took place in a 1960s Massachusetts insane asylum.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 29, 2013 14:15:55 GMT -5 mtman said:

Nov 29, 2013 14:12:26 GMT -5 AGB said:

Oh shucks, you've figured it out... wanna learn our secret handshake...

Feel free to overanalyze why I like Walking Dead, too. Surely, seeing everything and everyone through the lens of racism must get tiresome... I will keep you in my thoughts.

You don't wanna piss tennesser off......Will follow you around the boards, nit-picking every post you make.....Sorta like your own personal stalker.

mtman-you hold the record for most posts deleted by the moderators and board administrator due to their racist and bigoted content. You are a 'fascinating' and 'memorable' poster.

[grits]

Tennesseer. a few million does equal millions.

Hatred is a poison.  It poisons the hater not the hated.   Hating a person is liking drinking poison yourself, and waiting for it to kill the other person. 

[AGB]

Nov 29, 2013 16:49:17 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 29, 2013 14:59:30 GMT -5 AGB said:

I predict he may be too busy trying to figure out why Walking Dead has "non-whites" on Team Human.

All joking aside, I am not trying to piss anyone off. I respect Tenneeseer as a poster and find many of his posts interesting, even the ones I don't agree with. Imo, looking to connect racism to anything and everything people do renders the word meaningless and only takes away from the very real and ugly racism people actually experience. I probably should have said that and left the snark out of it. 

Tennesseer, my reply to you came from a place of emotion, not a place of reason, and I apologize if my delivery pissed you off.

NO Harm.  NO Foul AGB. 

And if it is any consolation, I am hooked on the American Horror Story series.  Why there were even zombies in this years story line a couple of weeks ago.  If you have not watched it before, may I suggest you do.  It is an outrageous show.  This year it is about Salem witches versus New Orleans Voodoo witches and it all takes place in New Orleans.

Last year the story took place in a 1960s Massachusetts insane asylum.

Thanks, Tenneseer.

I had not heard of AHS, but whaddaya know... it is on netflix... added it to my list.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 29, 2013 17:16:13 GMT -5 grits said:

Tennesseer. a few million does equal millions.

Hatred is a poison.  It poisons the hater not the hated.   Hating a person is liking drinking poison yourself, and waiting for it to kill the other person. 

And depending upon the temperament of the hated party, it can crush their spirit. 

Whether you believe it or not, there is quite a bit of hatred, racism and bigotry in our country.  I believe an estimate of several million is probably on the conservative side.  That comes out to one person per every 150 in our country.  I cannot believe the other 149 have never had thoughts or verbal opinions free of all racism or bigotry. 

Most of it is covert but often times overt.  The anonymity of internet sites such as message boards (for example) allows covert racism and bigotry to surface as overt racism and bigotry.  Easy to hide behind a computer monitor.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 29, 2013 17:27:15 GMT -5 AGB said:

Nov 29, 2013 16:49:17 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

NO Harm.  NO Foul AGB. 

And if it is any consolation, I am hooked on the American Horror Story series.  Why there were even zombies in this years story line a couple of weeks ago.  If you have not watched it before, may I suggest you do.  It is an outrageous show.  This year it is about Salem witches versus New Orleans Voodoo witches and it all takes place in New Orleans.

Last year the story took place in a 1960s Massachusetts insane asylum.

Thanks, Tenneseer.

I had not heard of AHS, but whaddaya know... it is on netflix... added it to my list.

I didn't watch the first season but had heard excellent reviews of the show so I decided to watch the second season (the asylum story) and I was then hooked. 

The interesting thing about all three seasons is that there is a core cast of about 4 actors who have appeared in all three seasons.  They just play different roles depending upon the season's story line.

[grits]

Nov 29, 2013 17:57:45 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 29, 2013 17:16:13 GMT -5 grits said:

Tennesseer. a few million does equal millions.

Hatred is a poison.  It poisons the hater not the hated.   Hating a person is liking drinking poison yourself, and waiting for it to kill the other person. 

And depending upon the temperament of the hated party, it can crush their spirit. 

Whether you believe it or not, there is quite a bit of hatred, racism and bigotry in our country.  I believe an estimate of several million is probably on the conservative side.  That comes out to one person per every 150 in our country.  I cannot believe the other 149 have never had thoughts or verbal opinions free of all racism or bigotry. 

Most of it is covert but often times overt.  The anonymity of internet sites such as message boards (for example) allows covert racism and bigotry to surface as overt racism and bigotry.  Easy to hide behind a computer monitor.

Hatred and bigotry are not limited to one section of society.  I have seen it in people of all races, genders, and religious beliefs.  It does indeed include those who have no religious belief system at all.  Also, just because you disagree with someone on what you consider a moral issue does not make you a bigot. People love to throw that term around to try and discredit people who disagree with them.  

[Tennesseer]

Nov 29, 2013 18:10:59 GMT -5 grits said:

Nov 29, 2013 17:57:45 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

And depending upon the temperament of the hated party, it can crush their spirit. 

Whether you believe it or not, there is quite a bit of hatred, racism and bigotry in our country.  I believe an estimate of several million is probably on the conservative side.  That comes out to one person per every 150 in our country.  I cannot believe the other 149 have never had thoughts or verbal opinions free of all racism or bigotry. 

Most of it is covert but often times overt.  The anonymity of internet sites such as message boards (for example) allows covert racism and bigotry to surface as overt racism and bigotry.  Easy to hide behind a computer monitor.

Hatred and bigotry are not limited to one section of society.  I have seen it in people of all races, genders, and religious beliefs.  It does indeed include those who have no religious belief system at all.  Also, just because you disagree with someone on what you consider a moral issue does not make you a bigot. People love to throw that term around to try and discredit people who disagree with them.  

I have excluded those that may disagree with me (and others) on moral issues.  They are not bigots.  It is the words that are said and the intent which makes one a racist and a bigot.  And I don't believe I have said all racists and bigots are Christian or even implied it, have I? 

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Treating someone disrespectfully or in a bigoted manner (especially in this case, the wait-person at the restaurant) - is Un-Christian-like - no matter WHO is responsible for the note being left on the receipt.

Even it was was a "hoax", it was a cruel hoax - in the name of Christianity.

The note could have said "due to my bigotry against gays, I cannot condone rewarding you for the good service with a tip."

But whoever did scrawl the note, put the reason for not tipping as being it went against their Christian belief.

I guess they don't believe in Mark 12:31 - "Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself".

[grits]

I made a generalized statement about bigotry, and how people love to throw it around to try and discredit people who disagree with them.   If I didn't address it to you personally by name, it wasn't meant for one specific individual. 

[Value Buy]

Nov 29, 2013 18:37:03 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

Treating someone disrespectfully or in a bigoted manner (especially in this case, the wait-person at the restaurant) - is Un-Christian-like - no matter WHO is responsible for the note being left on the receipt.

Even it was was a "hoax", it was a cruel hoax - in the name of Christianity.

The note could have said "due to my bigotry against gays, I cannot condone rewarding you for the good service with a tip."

But whoever did scrawl the note, put the reason for not tipping as being it went against their Christian belief.

I guess they don't believe in Mark 12:31 - "Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself".

So.......you are still under the belief someone other than her is involved in this willful deceit?

[grits]

Nov 29, 2013 18:37:03 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

Treating someone disrespectfully or in a bigoted manner (especially in this case, the wait-person at the restaurant) - is Un-Christian-like - no matter WHO is responsible for the note being left on the receipt.

Even it was was a "hoax", it was a cruel hoax - in the name of Christianity.

The note could have said "due to my bigotry against gays, I cannot condone rewarding you for the good service with a tip."

But whoever did scrawl the note, put the reason for not tipping as being it went against their Christian belief.

I guess they don't believe in Mark 12:31 - "Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself".

 So far, we don't know if it was a Christian who actually wrote it. We are still waiting for all the details to come out.   It could have been done because of the widespread reaction to a previous act by a woman claiming to be a pastor.  Anyone who posted such a thing on the net could still wind up fired.  I would like to know who did it.  If it was a fellow employee or the waitress herself, someone will probably wind up fired.   

[cme1201]

Nov 29, 2013 18:43:32 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 29, 2013 18:37:03 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

Treating someone disrespectfully or in a bigoted manner (especially in this case, the wait-person at the restaurant) - is Un-Christian-like - no matter WHO is responsible for the note being left on the receipt.

Even it was was a "hoax", it was a cruel hoax - in the name of Christianity.

The note could have said "due to my bigotry against gays, I cannot condone rewarding you for the good service with a tip."

But whoever did scrawl the note, put the reason for not tipping as being it went against their Christian belief.

I guess they don't believe in Mark 12:31 - "Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself".

So.......you are still under the belief someone other than her is involved in this willful deceit?

It is better to condemn Christianity than to believe that a poor lesbian could have had a hand in staging this.


Better to hold someone who can provide evidence as being a bigot, than to denounce the act itself

[cme1201]

Nov 29, 2013 18:48:08 GMT -5 grits said:

Nov 29, 2013 18:37:03 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

Treating someone disrespectfully or in a bigoted manner (especially in this case, the wait-person at the restaurant) - is Un-Christian-like - no matter WHO is responsible for the note being left on the receipt.

Even it was was a "hoax", it was a cruel hoax - in the name of Christianity.

The note could have said "due to my bigotry against gays, I cannot condone rewarding you for the good service with a tip."

But whoever did scrawl the note, put the reason for not tipping as being it went against their Christian belief.

I guess they don't believe in Mark 12:31 - "Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself".

 So far, we don't know if it was a Christian who actually wrote it. We are still waiting for all the details to come out.   It could have been done because of the widespread reaction to a previous act by a woman claiming to be a pastor.  Anyone who posted such a thing on the net could still wind up fired.  I would like to know who did it.  If it was a fellow employee or the waitress herself, someone will probably wind up fired.   

If it really was the customer we will see it plastered on the front page of the news, if it was the waitress we will not hear a peep.

[Green Eyed Lady]

"I'm sorry but I cannot tip because I don't agree with your lifestyle and how you live your life,” the message read.

There is no place in that message that refers to Christianity at all.  Unless you honestly believe that ONLY "Christians" hate homosexuals.  And if you do, you are delusional.

So, if you are quick to jump to the conclusion that the person who (mostly likely, didn't even) wrote the note MUST be Christian, maybe it's YOU who are the bigot.  Just sayin....

[cme1201]

Nov 29, 2013 18:37:03 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

Treating someone disrespectfully or in a bigoted manner (especially in this case, the wait-person at the restaurant) - is Un-Christian-like - no matter WHO is responsible for the note being left on the receipt.

Even it was was a "hoax", it was a cruel hoax - in the name of Christianity.

The note could have said "due to my bigotry against gays, I cannot condone rewarding you for the good service with a tip."

But whoever did scrawl the note, put the reason for not tipping as being it went against their Christian belief.

I guess they don't believe in Mark 12:31 - "Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself".

No where in the note does it say christian belief it says Lifestyle choice, I know several people who hold no religious values who do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle, they are people who have kids with several women, so they see it as against the ability to procreate.