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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 21, 2011 1:16:29 GMT -5
Frankly, I'm not sure how being perfectly happy to have pretty much any book (aside from straight porn) available in a high school library is an agenda, but ok.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 21, 2011 1:20:15 GMT -5
Wow! That's quite a statement, Tennesseer. It's nice to know some people are able to cut through the hype and actually face reality for what it is, no matter what their spiritual beliefs might be.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 21, 2011 1:23:02 GMT -5
Personally, from the time this matter came to my attention, it has interested me these parents pulled their daughter out of school to home-school her, yet put their younger child, a son, in public school. If they didn't like what the public school was doing with regard to their daughter's education, what made them believe it would be different for their son? Doesn't make much sense, until you take into consideration the opportunity for getting a bit more publicity. Worked real well the first time, didn't it?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 21, 2011 1:23:28 GMT -5
(palmbeachpaul): "Kids read what their parents want them to read-- and that's the right way to look at it."
And eight or nine students at Bedford High School had their parents written permission to read the book and participate in the intersession program. The parents who approved their children reading the book did everything right-and yet the book was pulled.
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 21, 2011 1:23:35 GMT -5
Frankly, I'm not sure how being perfectly happy to have pretty much any book (aside from straight porn) available in a high school library is an agenda, but ok. Ok, actually, I could even make an argument for some straight porn to be included in a curriculum - but that should probably wait until a college course.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 21, 2011 1:24:15 GMT -5
To clarify things again-- no book was banned. The school board elected not to include it on a list of elective reading options. Clearly, more books are off that list than on it. So, setting aside what we think about the book-- let's just have a moment of honesty here: taking it off the list at school doesn't mean that if you want your kid to read it, they can't. It simply means it won't be an option at school. The Bible isn't an option (though in some government run schools in the United States, the q'ouran (SP) is mandatory)-- again, it's Sunday night which is official palmbeachpaul "do your own homework" night, but kids read the Bible. Kids read what their parents want them to read-- and that's the right way to look at it. The liberal left has an interest- as I pointed out earlier in this thread- in pushing books that in one way shape or form fit their agenda. If this was truly a simple "choice", it wouldn't be that big a deal. One book off some list-- one book potentially not read in a HS career by kids who will graduate and on average read 5 non-fiction books between their diploma and their funeral-- really doesn't matter. No, the libs have flipped sh** over this because they lost something here. There's more to this story-- not the least of which is that they have it in for these people dating back to when they got the "Nickeled and Dimed" propaganda off the list. "One book off some list-- one book potentially not read in a HS career by kids who will graduate and on average read 5 non-fiction books between their diploma and their funeral-- LOL, there your right , if five by the way. As far as any book not being available to be read..I can't think of one. I would see some read under suprvision, young adults, by that I mean discussion with a reputable educated authority if possible, but if not available, then a young adult, go for it. Thats the middle left in me, what are people afraid of?
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 21, 2011 1:33:38 GMT -5
That whole 5 books thing is probably not true.. but way to pull stats out of your ass The best statistic you can give is that one year approximately 27% of Americans didn't read a single book and maybe that 47% read non-fiction. Although I'm not sure why you feel the need to differentiate between non-fiction and fiction for reading either. Both being valuable. Just sayin'.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 21, 2011 1:57:15 GMT -5
That whole 5 books thing is probably not true.. but way to pull stats out of your ass The best statistic you can give is that one year approximately 27% of Americans didn't read a single book and maybe that 47% read non-fiction. Although I'm not sure why you feel the need to differentiate between non-fiction and fiction for reading either. Both being valuable. Just sayin'. well there is a difference...I read a lot of fiction, Have my favorites, usually the ones who are on the Times best seller list..who done it, spy stuff, W.E.B. Griffins stuff..but usually a day after you finish, you forgot most of it , and a week after, possible get plot back if you read a few pages to remind you whereas non fiction...it does stay with you, a along time.
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 21, 2011 2:00:46 GMT -5
You're just not reading the right type of fiction then Never read what's on the Times best seller list, for one thing. Fluff always sells well Edit: I highly encourage everyone to pick up Nalo Hopkinson's The Salt Roads - that's the type of fiction that will stick with you. Also Kim Stanley Robinson's The Years of Rice and Salt or his Climate Change series. Last Non-Fiction I read.. oh hell.. I forget the name. Physics book. Still makes my brain hurt to think about it
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 21, 2011 2:01:20 GMT -5
I don't see what difference it makes whether a person, child or adult, reads 5 books, or 500 books. The books they read should be books they want to read (excluding textbooks), not books other people tell them they have to read.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 21, 2011 2:02:56 GMT -5
Personally, from the time this matter came to my attention, it has interested me these parents pulled their daughter out of school to home-school her, yet put their younger child, a son, in public school. If they didn't like what the public school was doing with regard to their daughter's education, what made them believe it would be different for their son? Doesn't make much sense, until you take into consideration the opportunity for getting a bit more publicity. Worked real well the first time, didn't it? Possible felt the son being a male could stand being exposed to a rougher sort especially if he would be more apt to face the real world in time, where as the daughter..., needs to be protected more, sheltered, not so exposed to..or possible finding by the time the boy was ready for school , this home schooling was a lot of work and they had chewed off more then they bargained for..thus the boy, later in life, let him take his chances...
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 21, 2011 2:15:12 GMT -5
From what I've read, dez, they didn't pull the girl out of school because she was being exposed to rough sorts. They pulled her out of school because the book "Nickles and Dimes" was used in a finance class. If they were using books these people didn't approve of, the boy would be just as exposed as the girl. Sure enough, as soon as a book showed up (in an extra-curricular reading class) that they didn't like, BANG! They start raising sand. Call me a cynic, but that smacks of a bit of planning on the part of the parents. We'll enrol the kid in the class even though we don't approve of the reading material, then we'll raise Cain because we don't approve of the reading material. Wouldn't be a first!
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 21, 2011 2:31:49 GMT -5
From what I've read, dez, they didn't pull the girl out of school because she was being exposed to rough sorts. They pulled her out of school because the book "Nickles and Dimes" was used in a finance class. If they were using books these people didn't approve of, the boy would be just as exposed as the girl. Sure enough, as soon as a book showed up (in an extra-curricular reading class) that they didn't like, BANG! They start raising sand. Call me a cynic, but that smacks of a bit of planning on the part of the parents. We'll enrol the kid in the class even though we don't approve of the reading material, then we'll raise Cain because we don't approve of the reading material. Wouldn't be a first! The parents should have been politely told that they are very careful in choosing the reading material and while they appreciate their concern, they are not going to change their curriculum because of their being unhappy with the literature chosen, if they did this with all the kids /parents it would be chaos and what if I went to school and said I want my child to read that and simler books to broaden their education and resent another parent interfaring with my childrens education. I send them to a public school , I trust that system to educate my kids properly and professionally and that is the trust I give them. They are the educators. I will help but they have the prime job , supposedly that is their profession, I have another.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 21, 2011 2:46:55 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly, dez. This was not a part of the school's general curriculum. This was an extra-curricular class. If the parents didn't want the child involved, fine. Remove the child from the class. If they wanted him involved, but didn't want him to read that book, let him choose another. To force their will on the other kids who really wanted to read the book, and whose parents approved of them reading the book, was, to my mind, just plain wrong.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 27, 2011 14:32:54 GMT -5
my copy of "Water for Elephants" showed up yesterday.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 5, 2011 21:30:54 GMT -5
ok, so I've finished reading the book in question....I don't see what the problem is, seriously. I mean, there are definitely "R-rated" chapters, but if the book is being taught, but the book is being taught. there will be an adult going over the content of the book with students, it's not like the kids will be reading this on their own. fwiw, the sexual act that was described in the complaint to get the book banned in the first place wasn't the worst thing in the book, IMHO. it just happened to be the first thing that came up. I wonder what the shit show would have turned into had the parents actually read the whole book.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2011 22:08:05 GMT -5
I liked it though.... I loved the narrating character... i wanted to take him home with me.. but i was glad he got to go where he went in the end...
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 5, 2011 22:13:22 GMT -5
I know, right? I felt the same way. I would love to exalt Rosemary too, just for being human. as opposed to "the skinny nurse with the horse face" you know.
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 6, 2011 2:14:28 GMT -5
Now I wanna read it!!
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 6, 2011 17:29:40 GMT -5
Now I wanna read it!! Are you sure you will be allowed to??
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