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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 17:45:22 GMT -5
I do not lie-- I SAID I read it when I was young and was reading it for the first time as an adult. Atlas Shrugged did not describe sex scenes like this book for middle school kids did, either. And, by the way-- atlas shrugged is not on the reading list. (Of course) The concept of Atlas Shrugged is an adult concept that a kid would have trouble understanding, and is not about sex.
SO-- you approve of the sex scene in this middle school book, I guess? The only way for parents to make sure their kids are not getting info from school that they do not want them to get at school is to, basically, do the entire curriculum along with the child. Sure can't trust the schools to keep it neutral, can you? Again-- anyone know what the consent form to parents said?? Did it warn that there was explicit sexual content in the book?? I bet not. I remember when my kids had to get consent forms to watch movies in class. The film ratings were given on the form. Some parents only let their kids watch G movies, which is entirely within their rights as parents.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 17:56:13 GMT -5
I would have approved it for my kids, yes, krickitt. They knew to bring any questions home. I would also have asked for a list of books to be read BEFORE I signed my child up for an extra-curricular class. While such material might not be right for every child, some would do quite well with it.
The school kept this quite neutral by putting the reading of this particular book in an extra-curricular class, rather than including it in the broader curriculum. Furthermore, what you BET doesn't have any meaning here. You have no clue what was on the permission slip, and neither do I. You're far more anxious to be right than you are to approach this situation with logic and neutrality, so don't bother to speak of neutrality.
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Post by steff on Feb 18, 2011 18:01:13 GMT -5
you should expand his mind and pick him up a copy of Liberty and Tyranny by Mark Levin
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I don't make his reading choices.... the books he requests from the library are his choice, his decision and what he wants to read. I'm liberal like that....lol
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 18, 2011 18:02:44 GMT -5
I bet it did, actually. I've gotten permission slips for some weird innocuous crap. And yes, I do. It's like.. one page long? Oh noez. They'll have seen similar on television. And the concept of Atlas Shrugged is hardly that adult of a concept, seeing as how the concept is "Regulation bad, industry good". Oh and intellectual elitism is awesome!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 18:05:32 GMT -5
I am fine with the scene in Water for Elephants being read by the population for which the class was originally intended, as presented in earlier posts.
I personally homeschool, so i don't have to deal with anyone else's ideas of what is right or wrong but mine and husbands... I'd let my son read it now, if he wanted to... at 12, but he's reading the Hunger Games and John Grisham's Angel, and listening to Speaker for the Dead and When you are Engulfed in Flames by David Sedaris, at the moment... maybe next month...
I don't think my daughter is ready for it , at 9, although i honestly think she'd have more trouble with the violence, than the loving interaction of the characters...
One thing i've noticed with kids, from swear words to sugar... is that the more you try to make something 'taboo' the more they crave it... and obsess over it... if its a part of life, and you treat it that way, it doesn't get encoded in quite the same way...
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 18, 2011 18:09:26 GMT -5
I am not sure if anyone else has gotten it wrong but the book was to be read by Bedford High School students-not middle school students.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 18:10:23 GMT -5
I agree, oped. If you start making things taboo, the kids just wonder why and make more effort to find out. Trying to strangle a young person's curiosity and intellect is usually met with resistance, thankfully.
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Post by marjar on Feb 18, 2011 18:11:15 GMT -5
Why do you people have a fit about people that are different than you??. Why do you?
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 18:11:57 GMT -5
OMG, Tennesseer! All this flap was over HIGH SCHOOL reading material ... and in an extra-curricular class, to boot. <swoon> That's bloody amazing! Yep. The board shouldn't only be fired, they should be horsewhipped, then fired!
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Post by marjar on Feb 18, 2011 18:12:44 GMT -5
I am fine with the scene in Water for Elephants being read by the population for which the class was originally intended, as presented in earlier posts. One thing i've noticed with kids, from swear words to sugar... is that the more you try to make something 'taboo' the more they crave it... and obsess over it... if its a part of life, and you treat it that way, it doesn't get encoded in quite the same way... Forbidden fruit thing, ya' know.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 18, 2011 18:12:47 GMT -5
"When you are Engulfed in Flames by David Sedaris"
A good read.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 18:13:41 GMT -5
I thought it was high school. I was too lazy to go back and check ... lol... if it was an extra curricular class for middle school kids (that goes to 8th grade around here, not sure about everywhere?)... i could see that too... but i think it probably fits better at high school...
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 18:15:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't have any problem with the material for my kids in middle school, oped, but I can understand some parents being concerned. Kids are different. By the time they're in high school, however, to have all this flap about something like this just shows total ignorance, IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if the complaining parents weren't just out to get their names in the paper.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 18:17:42 GMT -5
I lived in a small town where the majority of kids were virgins in HS-- Mormons. Does anyone here have a problem with people not having sex in HS??
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Post by steff on Feb 18, 2011 18:19:58 GMT -5
Does anyone here have a problem with people not having sex in HS??
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oh stop with the attempts to connect this to some greater drama..... are you even willing to admit that you understand that this wasn't a mandatory class? that is was NOT madatory reading for every student? that this was a class that students had to sign up for to take? Stop acting like this book was turned to the sex pages and handed to every kid in every school from kindergardent to seniors with a 'how to' picture worksheet attached to it.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 18:20:51 GMT -5
That, krickitt, is a stupid, irrelevant, and trouble-seeking question. Why would anyone here have a problem with people not having sex at any time? Hmmmm?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 18, 2011 18:23:00 GMT -5
I lived in a small town where the majority of kids were virgins in HS-- Mormons. Does anyone here have a problem with people not having sex in HS?? I am all for students cooling their jets. No more baby daddy drama.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 18:24:47 GMT -5
Like I said, steff, krickitt is much more interested in promoting krickitt's point of view than in any true debate, or discussion of the issue. She has no clue what really happened here, but she's happy to guess, and "bet" she knows. She had it in middle school. It was in high school. She's continuously referred to this being forced on the kids when it was an extra-curricular offering. There's no realism in her approach, at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 18:25:08 GMT -5
I don't see what Mormons not having sex in high school has to do with a group of high schoolers reading Water for Elephants in an extra curricular class?...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 18:26:52 GMT -5
Does reading about sex, even in the most minimal way, mean that one has to then go out and do exactly what they read about?
Does a few paragraphs tucked into a book mean that anyone who reads it will suddenly become sexually active?
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Post by marjar on Feb 18, 2011 18:27:21 GMT -5
I lived in a small town where the majority of kids were virgins in HS-- Mormons. Does anyone here have a problem with people not having sex in HS?? Seriously?
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Post by steff on Feb 18, 2011 18:27:39 GMT -5
There's no realism in her approach, at all. **************** going thru life with blinders on.... only willing to see what she wants to see, even when the truth is pointed out over and over and over and over again....
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 18:28:34 GMT -5
Notice, folks ... krickitt's post began with "I", and that's the most important subject of all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 18:30:49 GMT -5
8 pages in, I am more looking at people's attitudes of disrespect for other people's beliefs than the book. I think we covered the book pretty well. You guys carry on. I'm out of here.
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Post by steff on Feb 18, 2011 18:32:26 GMT -5
In other words, you can't admit that you aren't looking at the facts and instead are making it up to fit YOUR agenda and beliefs.... see ya!
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Post by marjar on Feb 18, 2011 18:33:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't have any problem with the material for my kids in middle school, oped, but I can understand some parents being concerned. Kids are different. By the time they're in high school, however, to have all this flap about something like this just shows total ignorance, IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if the complaining parents weren't just out to get their names in the paper. The parents had to sign permission for their kids to take this class, thereby putting the decision in the hands of the parents.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 18:39:12 GMT -5
"I am more looking at people's attitudes of disrespect for other people's beliefs"
I don't see how offering the book as an extra curiculur text is disrespectful to others beliefs... if you don't want your kid to read it, don't.
However, i think it is extremely disrespectful of someone to suggest that THEY know better than I do what my kids should read, as the parents who had the book thrown out did. They were the ones who imposed their beliefs on everyone else... all they had to do was not let their kid participate in the elective... instead they chose to impose their beliefs on the whole group...
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 18:42:30 GMT -5
The one who's disrespectful of the beliefs of others is you, krickitt, not everyone else.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Feb 18, 2011 18:54:08 GMT -5
<<< I don't see how offering the book as an extra curricular text is disrespectful to others beliefs... >>> ...probably in the same way people may object to the Bible, or the Koran, or the Vedas being taught in a public school, even as an extra-curricular... and while the books in this case are not sacred texts by any stretch of the imagination, it shouldn't be a stretch to understand why people want their tax dollars to fund things they want, or not fund things they don't... ...and krickett, I hope you come back...
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Feb 18, 2011 18:56:18 GMT -5
<<< Notice, folks ... krickitt's post began with "I", >>> ...it's a message board... for opinions AND facts...
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