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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 17, 2011 11:10:12 GMT -5
"(A)bout 1000 times" just seems like such a nice round number that one might think it was simiply pulled out of your ass.
You are correct Mr. billisonboard, that is exactly where it came from. Do you have a number in mind to share with us? Please do tell.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 17, 2011 11:11:08 GMT -5
They use to call them "war correspondents " , wars are not nice places to be...and these are places and happenings, just a different battle ground...to be in Iran right now..they use to say a second Lt life span was in minutes, I would think that in Iran now, today, a reporters life might # in the seconds in some places.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2011 11:40:48 GMT -5
"(A)bout 1000 times" just seems like such a nice round number that one might think it was simiply pulled out of your ass.You are correct Mr. billisonboard, that is exactly where it came from. Do you have a number in mind to share with us? Please do tell. I have not educated myself on this issue so I do not have a number in mind. I am more than happy to pull opinions from my ass. Facts I either know, research, or note that I don't know. A favorite analogy: What you know is like an island. What you don't know is the water surrounding the island. What you know you don't know is the shoreline of your island. Therefore, the more you know, the more you are aware of what you don't know. So burns, how much do you know you don't know?
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Post by ugonow on Feb 17, 2011 12:56:02 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 17, 2011 13:15:52 GMT -5
Well that was my first impression when I first heard about it ug-- but since nothing was mentioned about that, and it was after Mubarak was announced as no longer President..am I wrong about that..I believe as I said earlier, it would have been suicidal for the security forces to be the square acting up, if they wearn't torn apart by the crowd I would have been surprised. So haven't brought up that possibility, will have to read your put up link. Is it suggesting that. -------------------------------------------------------------- "4. On Friday, Feb. 11, the day Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak relinquishes power, Logan is attacked, savagely beaten and sexually violated by a vicious, anti-Semitic mob. She is later saved by a group of Egyptian women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok read it.. still to me , not definitive..a opinion , and by one who has a agenda. Not saying not true but it WAS after the announce ment of his removal, the protestors are paid thugs, not a group with real convictions beyond a pay check..to be there would be suicidal in my opinion so...to me, till PROVED differently a 200 peson male MOB of pigs who were there not in celebration but there to just cause problems..little care who was in power, except for the paycheck, possible if there , that was the fear and frustration, their benefactor was no longer and a unknown of what was to come as far as their personal fortunes might be present, still think to be there would possible be a death sentence for some with a crowd like that, unlike the thousands who did care and were celebration a possible rebirth of their country.
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Post by marjar on Feb 17, 2011 13:24:22 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that ugonow.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 17, 2011 13:28:39 GMT -5
The American Spectator is a conservative publication. Interesting link from ugonow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 14:10:00 GMT -5
Ed- I don't think you are carzy, a bigot, none of that. That part of the world is exploding right now. The ones most at risk for Muslim extremist takeover are the ones with friendly ties to the USA, and Israel. There are seperate groups of protesters-- the extremists, who are patient and organized, and the rowdy students, who say they support human rights, including for women, but they are all passion with no leadership at this point, and that is a real danger. Then there is Iran-- who is already under the control of extremists, and would love to see the rest of the region join them. If it is true that the students mean good, could very well be, then why the new alliances forming with Iran, as they sail through the Suez Canal in warships headed for Syria. Would that be the students supporting that, if the students are for freedom and rights?? Well, no, it would be the silent ones-- the Muslim Brotherhood, getting poised to take over the entire region and cause lots of trouble. I'm with you, Ed. There is a very real chance that the young people could lead the revolts, just to see the Muslim Brotherhood take over and the Caliphate emerge. If these people don't agree with that clear danger out there, which is a danger to the US and all of our allies-- well, that's up to them. I'm out of work right now, and have put major hours in to trying to figure all of this out, and I think we are right in saying that there is DANGER that the entire region could soon be just like Iran. Notice that the demonstrations in western friendly countries are, for the most part, peaceful, while the more radical places are mowing the people down with guns and force. That is how they handle protest, and I do not think it is bigoted or anything else you have been called to be very concerned that soon the entire area could be like Iran. Hey, look at the bright side!! We are now allowed to call people trolls, something I never would have done here out of fear of being banned and now we have official permission!! Are you following the miraculous revival of the 12th Imam going on in Iran right now?? Pretty crazy stuff........
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 17, 2011 15:56:45 GMT -5
"(A)bout 1000 times" just seems like such a nice round number that one might think it was simiply pulled out of your ass.You are correct Mr. billisonboard, that is exactly where it came from. Do you have a number in mind to share with us? Please do tell. I have not educated myself on this issue so I do not have a number in mind. I am more than happy to pull opinions from my ass. Facts I either know, research, or note that I don't know. SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN EGYPT Experienced by 98% of foreign women visitors Experienced by 83% of Egyptian women 62% of Egyptian men admitted harassing women 53% of Egyptian men blame women for 'bringing it on' Source: Egyptian Centre for Women's Rights 2008 news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7514567.stmhellifIknow
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 17, 2011 16:01:31 GMT -5
Yea but the Italian women are mad as hell and are not going to take it anymore and want their PM butted out of office. But there are not that many Muslim men in Italy so the women may just win this one....
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 17, 2011 16:16:27 GMT -5
Shocking statistics, but it's OK, because all this will change now that Egypt is "free"...LOL!
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Post by safeharbor37 on Feb 17, 2011 16:25:53 GMT -5
Italian women are mad as hell because it's a hot young chick getting the "harassment," not that there is harassment ~ and they aren't getting their share ~ they think. Actually, women's lib has infected Italy, but still, I think the "Latin" nature of Italian men is still pretty much accepted. It's really kind of funny [except to Berlusconi] that the PM might be deposed over a seventeen year old [at the time of the incident] prostitute. This is far, far less egregious than the Lewinsky affair ~ but it could be enough.
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 17, 2011 16:32:12 GMT -5
You and Berlusconi are @ the same age and he has been an inspiration for old swingers... I must admit he has better taste in women than Bill Clinton..
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2011 16:45:56 GMT -5
Paying for sex with a seventeen year old prostitute v. Free blow jobs from a twenty-one/twenty-two year old intern Which is more egregious?
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 17, 2011 16:50:32 GMT -5
Fixed it for you...
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 17, 2011 16:55:03 GMT -5
I have not educated myself on this issue so I do not have a number in mind. I am more than happy to pull opinions from my ass. Facts I either know, research, or note that I don't know. SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN EGYPT Experienced by 98% of foreign women visitors Experienced by 83% of Egyptian women 62% of Egyptian men admitted harassing women 53% of Egyptian men blame women for 'bringing it on' Source: Egyptian Centre for Women's Rights 2008 news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7514567.stmhellifIknow I will go along with the idea that to many males all over , the whole wide world , could be classified as PIGS. Do I hear a Hoo Rah on that , a , even a possible Karma or two?
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 17, 2011 17:05:50 GMT -5
I must admit he has better taste in women than Bill Clinton..
There was an old computer game a while back where you had to maneuver Bill around an office building and try to avoid Hillary while banging everything that you could catch. There was even a homely cleaning lady whom you could corner into the elevator and flog inside. Unfortunately it would later open on the floor Hillary would be waiting on. Probably not far from reality.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2011 17:09:19 GMT -5
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Post by ugonow on Feb 17, 2011 17:26:19 GMT -5
SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN EGYPT Experienced by 98% of foreign women visitors Experienced by 83% of Egyptian women 62% of Egyptian men admitted harassing women 53% of Egyptian men blame women for 'bringing it on' Source: Egyptian Centre for Women's Rights 2008
So what's with the "victim of "new" Egypt" bit if it is still the same old Egypt? As a side note,doing a quick google on sexual harassment stats in the US,I did not see an all emcompasing figure like the one above,but seperate ones for the workplace,military,school..everything but on the street,store,bar,etc...and it is pretty scary.....
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 17, 2011 17:32:35 GMT -5
It's OK, it turns out she's not a victim after all. I learned last night from the liberals here that women are supposed to expect to be raped and beaten at work, if they choose to venture out of their homes, that is. Apparently (again, according to my liberal friends here) American Christian men and American soldiers are the worst offenders...just a heads up...
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 17, 2011 17:38:20 GMT -5
Poor ed and his fantasies.
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Post by ugonow on Feb 17, 2011 17:38:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the warning,ed.I will keep my eyes open for these people saying such things.
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Post by ameiko on Feb 17, 2011 20:23:31 GMT -5
Ahhh "religion of peace."
We have dismissed these claims.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 18, 2011 9:12:25 GMT -5
I will go along with the idea that to many males all over , the whole wide world , could be classified as PIGS. I'm not a pig....I'm a prick. I even warned DW and she still said "yes". Go figure.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 18, 2011 9:22:43 GMT -5
So what's with the "victim of "new" Egypt" bit if it is still the same old Egypt? As a side note,doing a quick google on sexual harassment stats in the US,I did not see an all emcompasing figure like the one above,but seperate ones for the workplace,military,school..everything but on the street,store,bar,etc...and it is pretty scary..... I'm sure it is....there's sick people all over. We had a guy in Bradenton (I believe) that was abducting and sexually assaulting little girls walking home from school. They actually caught an attempted abduction on a security camera a couple weeks ago. Fortunately that young girl got away. They just busted the guy and he apparently confessed. IMHO, he's a perfect candidate for castration with a dull, rusty knife.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 18, 2011 12:23:08 GMT -5
Coming back from Doc this AM ..had NPR on, Diane Reeves show..and she had as usual guests, speaking of Egypt and it was a call in..One of the questions was how do they know those who attacked the reporter were "pro Mubarak "supporters..{I suggest some kind of the security forces } , possible that had been mentioned earlier on the show, if so, I had missed that part, answer back was that was what CBS is putting out after examining the situation and from other reporters, non CBS..ones who had been accosted, arrested, attacked... While as I said earlier , that was my first reaction when I first heard it..I held off subsequently from so accusing as I heard nothing about that after the vicious attack..Has anyone heard anything about that..is there fact s coming out that definitely points to "Mubarak supporters" initiating and attacking her..and then tying in to some part of the security forces being involved?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 12:32:34 GMT -5
There is no evidence I have heard about WHO attacked her. People do not want it to be the protesters, because people want to see the protesters as all good guys. Just a thought, but Mubarek was the one that kept the peace with Israel, remember. They were screaming JEW at her while they raped and beat her...........
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 18, 2011 12:53:07 GMT -5
There is no evidence I have heard about WHO attacked her. People do not want it to be the protesters, because people want to see the protesters as all good guys. Just a thought, but Mubarek was the one that kept the peace with Israel, remember. They were screaming JEW at her while they raped and beat her........... Point is so far this was the only report that I heard , and it was just guest commentators, saying that CBS and beaten reporters saying so, will have to google and see if there is more to it. Till then, while my first thought after hearing of the attack, was "aha, ther security forces..either themselves or the ones they hired to demonstrate for Mubarak...ayet by the time of the attack , Nubarak was out , reoplaced, so why are they, security , hired ones if them, still there active, ...I will go with a mob of 200 hooligans {pigs} there just to cause trouble for troubles sake. What ever they yelled , they yelled. This is the latest that I could find dated today, NY Post, nothing about accusing a specific agency /group for the attacks, nothing by CBS found beyond their initial story, so what I heard on the radio may be their , commentators, feelings, possible information heard second hand, the consensus of those there, but consensus doesn't do it for me , even though there is a good chance they are correct as to who was responsible beyond just a MOB. --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.nypost.com/p/news/international/cbs_reporter_cairo_nightmare_pXiUVvhwIDdCrbD95ybD5N
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Post by vecrumba on Mar 5, 2011 12:51:15 GMT -5
United States: In Taken by Force J Robert Lilly estimates the number of rapes committed by U.S. servicemen in Germany (at the end of WWII) to be 11,040. In a letter to Time Magazine, an American Army sergeant wrote "Our own Army and the British Army ... have done their share of looting and raping.... It is also common knowledge that American soldiers are persona non grata in the homes of decent girls in many of the liberated countries because of their attitude that any foreign girl is automatically a prostitute.... This offensive attitude among our troops is not at all general, but the percentage is large enough to have given our Army a pretty black name, and we too are considered an army of rapists." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany#US The letter is a hoax, re-quoted in full and apologized for by time to the individual the letter purportedly came from. Such are the dangers of quoting an encyclopedia written by editors with an agenda. (The WP article quoted the original appearance and ignored the later apology.)
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 5, 2011 13:26:25 GMT -5
Interesting: On February 16, 2011, when I copied the information from Wiki it stated the following:
In Taken by Force J Robert Lilly estimates the number of rapes committed by U.S. servicemen in Germany (at the end of WWII) to be 11,040.
In a letter to Time Magazine, an American Army sergeant wrote "Our own Army and the British Army ... have done their share of looting and raping.... It is also common knowledge that American soldiers are persona non grata in the homes of decent girls in many of the liberated countries because of their attitude that any foreign girl is automatically a prostitute.... This offensive attitude among our troops is not at all general, but the percentage is large enough to have given our Army a pretty black name, and we too are considered an army of rapists."
Today, March 5 the Wiki site states the following:
In Taken by Force J Robert Lilly estimates the number of rapes committed by U.S. servicemen in Germany to be 11,040.[33]
A letter to Time magazine purportedly by an American Army sergeant requesting to have their name withheld contending "Our own Army and the British Army ... have done their share of looting and raping.... It is also common knowledge that American soldiers are persona non grata in the homes of decent girls in many of the liberated countries because of their attitude that any foreign girl is automatically a prostitute.... This offensive attitude among our troops is not at all general, but the percentage is large enough to have given our Army a pretty black name, and we too are considered an army of rapists" was subsequently apologized for when revealed to be a hoax.[34]
That Wiki allowed the recently added correction (the hoax) to be added to the article would seem to me Wiki is trying to keep the article fact based.
Was the information in the book Taken by Force by J Robert Lilly proven to be false too?
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