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Post by ed1066 on Feb 16, 2011 11:40:26 GMT -5
So it begins. A CBS reporter was beaten and raped in Cairo by a mob of Egyptians "celebrating" Mubarak's departure. Of course, this type of act is precisely how fundamentalist Islamists like the Muslim Brotherhood treat women. So all you who cheer the "revolution" in Egypt, keep in mind this is likely to be what Mubarak is replaced with. Thank God for the soldiers and the Egyptian women who still believe in human rights. www.kfor.com/sns-rt-news-us-egypt-journatre71e76i-20110215,0,3563089.story
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 11:41:20 GMT -5
Let's hope she recovers promptly and fully.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 11:49:23 GMT -5
Disgusting. It seems rape is an acceptable punishment for Islamists. I heard a reporter on TV, thuink it was CNN, that was hauled in, blindfolded by the mob. The group he was with was all male. He saw that when his blindfold slipped. They were given the option of rape or shock as punishment. He said he heard the shock treatments and screams all around him. Don't know if there is a link for that- I will look for one. I also read a couple of years ago-- and there WAS a link, that while the Islamist punish homosexuality by death, rape of male prisoners is acceptable. I'll look for a link to that, also. SO--if men in captivity are fair game, just imagine what they do to women.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 16, 2011 11:52:40 GMT -5
I also read a couple of years ago-- and there WAS a link, that while the Islamist punish homosexuality by death, rape of male prisoners is acceptable. I'll look for a link to that, also. SO--if men in captivity are fair game, just imagine what they do to women. krickitt, this is actually the context of "men lying with men" that is described as wrong in the bible. as far as the reporter, wow. I wish her well, and hope she's home soon if not already.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 11:53:50 GMT -5
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41509501/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa"A hail of vicious punches and kicks rained down on the prone bodies next to me, creating loud thumps. The torturers screamed abuse all around me. Only later were their chilling words translated to me by an Arabic-speaking colleague: 'In this hotel, there are only two items on the menu for those who don't behave — electrocution and rape.'" More...
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 16, 2011 11:56:09 GMT -5
Egypt is predominantly a traditional society, where women are usually stereotyped as sex objects. That ideology influences the legal system, so that even law reform is not enough to ensure justice. This paper will primarily discuss rape laws in Egypt in that respect. Up until 1999, rape offenders were offered freedom if they married their victims. However, Egyptian president Mubarak issued a decree ending that law. Rape now is considered a serious offense and could be punished by three years up to lifetime in prison with Hard Labor, and a possibility of the death penalty. What are the implications of that change on crime rate and punishment? The paper will address this question focusing on the recent incident of "gang rape" that took place in Cairo, where thousands of men blatantly and publicly attacked women in the streets after watching a famous belly dancer performing publicly. The government accused the belly dancer of public "incitement". In fact, the attacks happened for two days, the police didn't protect the women and the state did not take any action to criminalize the offenders. There is a clear conflict between traditional gender ideologies and law, where the former necessarily limits the latter.Mohamed, Reem. "Rape and Gender Ideology in Egypt" Paper presented at the annual meeting of the The Law and Society Association, TBA, Berlin, Germany, Jul 25, 2007 Hardly "begins"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 11:58:11 GMT -5
centurean2.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/now-muslims-in-britain-spread-poison-of-islamism_-londonistan-ignored-male-rape-in-iranian-prisons/A highly influential Shi’a religious leader, with whom Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regularly consults, apparently told followers last month that coercion by means of rape, torture and drugs is acceptable against all opponents of the Islamic regime. In the wake of a series of publications worldwide regarding the rape and torture of dissident prisoners in Iran’s jails, supporters of Ahmadinejad gathered with him in Jamkaran, a popular pilgrimage site for Shi’ite Muslims on the outskirts of Qom, on August 11, 2009. According to Iranian pro-democracy sources, the gathered crowd heard from Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad himself regarding the issue. More.. That is just the first article I hit on-- there are more.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 12:06:40 GMT -5
What kind of people use rape as punishment?? Answer-- the same people that want us all dead. And what kind of man can rape a man then cut the head off a gay man?? What they do to women is no secret at all. These people are insane. Which is why I do not get all teary-eyed at anything done to them. We are lightweights compared to them, and men and women in the battlefield IMO should be left alone for beating them up, and worse even. JMO, but I can see how it could drive a sane and kind person to murder having to deal with the rules of engagement we have against these animals, who have no country or law except Muhammed the mass murderer.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Feb 16, 2011 12:07:26 GMT -5
Let's hope she recovers promptly and fully. I don't think anyone ever recovers fully from an attack like that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 12:20:25 GMT -5
Especially an in the field reporter like this. How can she continue to do what she does for a living?? Terrifying. I hope she can, so these monsters do not win this battle against her. SO-- if someone in the future tries to take her down and she kills them-- yeah, she will probably be tried for murder, just like the battlefield soldiers like Michael Behanna are when they kill these people. Why?? Because we are civilized, although our enemy is not. We can go to prison for killing them, they can go to Berkeley and live with code pink.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2011 12:21:39 GMT -5
A terrible thing done to Ms. Logan. No woman anywhere in the world should be subjected to sexual abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 12:25:12 GMT -5
I agree, Tenn, but change that to PERSON for myself.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2011 12:30:19 GMT -5
Thank goodness we don't have gang rapes or group sexual assaults in the United States. No group of of Hispanic or white Christians males in the United States would ever do such a thing (but don't tell the young lady at Richmond (CA) High School that or the family of Cheryl Araujo). And I mention only Hispanic and white Christians (of course Christian in name only) because of the two examples I have provided. Black and Asian men (and even women of all races) in the United Stats are also as guilty of group rapes and assault, regardless of their religion.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2011 12:34:17 GMT -5
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Post by ugonow on Feb 16, 2011 12:35:04 GMT -5
Just think,ed.If Rep Franklin had his way,she would not be a rape victim and all would be well.-------<<<To amend Titles 16 and 17 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to criminal law and criminal procedure, respectively, so as to change the term "victim" to the term "accuser" in the context of a number of statutes making reference to circumstances where there has not yet been a criminal conviction; to provide for related matters; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.>>>>
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 16, 2011 12:35:47 GMT -5
The difference, which I'm sure didn't occur to you, is that our society doesn't condone this type of behavior, while that one does...but nice try at another attack on Christianity (which you did choose to single out, of course)...
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 16, 2011 12:43:44 GMT -5
No group of of Hispanic or white Christians males in the United States would ever do such a thing
Apparently not many do. In Islamic states though, it probably happens quite frequently. Based on the media structure/information flow in western and Islamic societies I would take guess the difference in occurrence would be 1000 times, maybe more. Would you not agree with this assessment Mr. tennesseer?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2011 12:44:46 GMT -5
The difference, which I'm sure didn't occur to you, is that our society doesn't condone this type of behavior, while that one does...but nice try at another attack on Christianity (which you did choose to single out, of course)... Funny thing ed-the Egyptian women who came to the aid of Ms. Logan didn't condone that type of behavior either. I pointed out all religions are guilty ed. You having reading problems again?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2011 12:46:35 GMT -5
No group of of Hispanic or white Christians males in the United States would ever do such a thingApparently not many do. In Islamic states though, it probably happens quite frequently. Based on the media structure/information flow in western and Islamic societies I would take guess the difference in occurrence would be 1000 times, maybe more. Would you not agree with this assessment Mr. tennesseer? Mr. Burns-all it takes is one exception and one can no longer say it never happens. Didn't you learn that in law school?
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Post by ugonow on Feb 16, 2011 12:46:40 GMT -5
Leave the priests out of this ten........
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2011 12:50:55 GMT -5
LOL ugonow. But I think the few priests involved were serial pedophile rapists not gang rapists unless they passed the poor kids around. Sad.
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 16, 2011 12:52:03 GMT -5
I agree, but once again, with the approval and support of the American left and president Obama (who cheered and supported the "revolution"), Egypt will be transitioning to a society where women have no rights, so their opinions, unfortunately, won't matter in the "new" Egypt...
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2011 12:55:38 GMT -5
Holy Smoke! It even happens in Israel! Police: Girl gang raped for 3 years Thirteen boys from affluent Tel Aviv neighborhood charged with rape, abuse of 15-year old Roi Mandel Published: 03.01.10, 17:59 / Israel News Police suspect that at least 13 teens raped and abused a young woman for three years, since she was 15, and videotaped their actions - the Tel Aviv Juvenile Court cleared the story for publication Monday. Several other teens are suspected to have known of the case through word of mouth, but police were involved only recently when one of the parents came forward. Many of the suspects reside in one of Tel Aviv's most affluent neighborhoods, and many residents were shocked by their arrests. Their parents have so far been present at every hearing and very protective of their offspring, claiming that whatever took place was consensual and that the girl behaved "provocatively". "Today everything is rape, everything is criminal," said the father of one of the youths. "A girl is raped for three years but doesn't say a word? Everyone should look at the photos that she herself placed online and see how provocative this girl is." Another father claimed the suspects were "good kids from good homes, who want to enlist to combat units". www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3856348,00.html Reads to me as if the men are Jews as I don't think the Irsraeli army allows Muslims to join their combat units. I could be wrong on that though.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 16, 2011 12:55:56 GMT -5
Didn't you learn that in law school?
Sure. Never say never... again.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2011 12:58:17 GMT -5
I agree, but once again, with the approval and support of the American left and president Obama (who cheered and supported the "revolution"), Egypt will be transitioning to a society where women have no rights, so their opinions, unfortunately, won't matter in the "new" Egypt... And you know all this how oh soothsayer?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 13:00:21 GMT -5
Tenn-- you are so well informed, could you please post some articles about how Americans, or Israelis for that matter, rape their male and female prisoners of war? Thx.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2011 13:03:27 GMT -5
krickitt-I thought this thread was about group rape and not prisoners of war? Are you attempting to hijack the thread?
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Post by ugonow on Feb 16, 2011 13:03:54 GMT -5
I do believe Abu Ghraib had their fair share. Unless you think having objects stuck up your rear [ which the military's own investigation said was a common occurance] is not rape.
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 16, 2011 13:06:07 GMT -5
This thread is about a CBS reporter who was assaulted in Cairo, amongst a society that condones this behavior and would likely have not punished the attackers IF they had even been arrested. As I liberal, I know you have a duty to make it about Americans, Christians and Jews who do bad things, but please try to stay on topic if possible...
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Post by ugonow on Feb 16, 2011 13:07:40 GMT -5
Sorry you are right.I strayed. This is about muslim rapists,not other ethnic groups.
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