Economic Collapse Thread Recovery

[Virgil Showlion]

ReformedDayTrade
Message #1645 - 09/30/10 09:06 PM

I never get tired of hearing this.

            Ok just play it again Sam...."When the Economic Collapse hits this fall will you be prepared?"       Market Update [articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Dispatch/market-dispatches.aspx?post=1811262&_blg=1,1811262] Stocks see best September in 71 years Despite profit-taking, the Dow and S&P 500 have their best September gains since the Depression. Gold slips. AIG moves to shed government involvement.     articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Dispatch/market-dispatches.aspx?post=1811262&_blg=1,1811262

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tough times do not last-- tough people do
Message #1646 - 09/30/10 09:27 PM

Yes, I am learning how to hunt my own meat, salt it and store in the long-abandoned tunnels along the East River in Astoria.  I am starting with rat meat. It's a beginning.

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1647 - 10/01/10 01:39 PM

with rat meat.

          Enjoy your dinner but there is still a huge risk to our economy that is being ignored by the Obama administration and that is there are still tons of foreclosures and they are adding to the housing supply with little or no demand because of the 9.6 unemployment and end to a federal home buyer tax credit....and the greedy and corrupt bond traders and polticians are still doing their thing and laughing all the way to the bank while you are eating rat meat...

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tough times do not last-- tough people do
Message #1648 - 10/01/10 02:39 PM

No, I am concerned about this also, and perhaps overly-sanguine about the possibility of the politicos pulling a rabbit out of their hats.  My naturally dark temperament conflicts with my overt patriotism. I  don't wish to believe that our leaders are all venal nincompoops.

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traelin0
Message #1649 - 11/12/10 09:45 PM

Enjoy your dinner but there is still a huge risk to our economy that is being ignored by the Obama administration and that is there are still tons of foreclosures and they are adding to the housing supply with little or no demand because of the 9.6 unemployment and end to a federal home buyer tax credit....and the greedy and corrupt bond traders and polticians are still doing their thing and laughing all the way to the bank while you are eating rat meat...

The rat meat reminds me of Demolition Man.  RAT BURGERS.

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traelin0
Message #1650 - 11/12/10 10:12 PM

No, I am concerned about this also, and perhaps overly-sanguine about the possibility of the politicos pulling a rabbit out of their hats.  My naturally dark temperament conflicts with my overt patriotism. I  don't wish to believe that our leaders are all venal nincompoops.

Hey tough, in your opinion, what do you think the currencies outlook is over the next 2 years?

[Virgil Showlion]

safeharbor37
Message #1651 - 11/12/10 10:24 PM

    The rat meat reminds me of the guy who spent a winter in Alaska with the wolves. He tested the theory that the wolves survived the winter on rats by living there in a tent and eating only rats. He survived, but I haven't heard of him since.

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tough times do not last-- tough people do
Message #1652 - 11/12/10 10:27 PM

Well, I don't know too much about FOREX, but I do believe that bond action is not that unpredictable.  I see a steady rise in Long Term rates despite what Benny does short term.

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billisonboard
Message #1653 - 11/12/10 10:40 PM

Discussion started by on 07/17/09 11:32 AM

So which fall is the fall going to fall?

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investor_bob_
Message #1654 - 11/13/10 02:35 AM

LOL.  I love it.  Fall 2009 is going to suck!

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stats45
Message #1655 - 11/13/10 02:55 AM

Well, predictions can be hard. How many other people can say they have predicted 6 of the last 0 apocalypses?

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1656 - 11/13/10 03:02 AM

Well, predictions can be hard. How many other people can say they have predicted 6 of the last 0 apocalypses

              How about miss predicting  2 of the 0 apocalypses (2009 & 2010)..??

[Virgil Showlion]

investor_bob_
Message #1657 - 11/13/10 03:22 AM



He he.

But don't forget, guys.  Glenn Beck is now on this guy's side.  So he's bound to be right sometime in the next 6 predictions.  After all, Glenn Beck would never stoke people's irrational fears just because it is highly profitable for him, would he???

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Stay Put
Message #1658 - 11/13/10 04:03 AM

He who laughs last...................

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investor_bob_
Message #1659 - 11/13/10 04:05 AM

....was the last to get the joke?

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Stay Put
Message #1660 - 11/13/10 04:58 AM

Stuck on stupid, and can't change gears is no way to go through life.  Who does this apply to?  Well, with all of the irrefutable facts of our actual economy, and the only outcome that could possibly follow, if you know of anyone who still actually believes that there is still hope of any kind of a recovery..............Here's your sign.

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1661 - 11/13/10 05:12 AM

[www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/09/paul-volcker-unemployment-short-term_n_780787.html] Paul Volcker: Unemployment Has No Short-Term Solution

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BEIJNG (AP) -- A top economic adviser to President Barack Obama said Tuesday he sees no short-term way to reduce high U.S. unemployment and expects slow growth for the near future.

The comments from Paul Volcker come after the Federal Reserve announced last week that it would purchase $600 billion in Treasurys, aiming to lower long-term interest rates in an effort to spur spending and ultimately lower the U.S. unemployment rate, currently at 9.6 percent. The move comes on the heels of previous purchases of $1.7 trillion in mortgage and Treasury bonds.

"I have no answer to it at the moment, and I think that is the basic problem. I suspect that it will gradually decline," Volcker said when asked about the unemployment rate. "But the basic fact of the matter is that the economic outlook is for continuing but limited increases in economic activity for the next year or more."

Volcker is chairman of Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board, and served as Fed chief from 1979 until 1987 under presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan.

He was speaking in Beijing at a meeting of the International Financial Forum, a non-governmental group of bankers and finance officials from the Untied States, China and other countries.

 

 

www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/09/paul-volcker-unemployment-short-term_n_780787.html

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tough times do not last-- tough people do
Message #1662 - 11/13/10 11:04 AM

This is a side-splitting video that explains our current mess:

[Virgil Showlion]

traelin0
Message #1663 - 11/19/10 06:29 PM



burns, what does "fiscan" think about the economic collapse coming our way?

Concrete cowboys, in any mental state, trying to go up against a group of fully trained ex-Marines, soldiers, and avid hunters, which my group encompasses, will not only hold them off but will see a serious decrease in the Texas census.

-- Stay Put, 17 JUL 2009

Zip, your chart is about as useless as two teats on a bull...Oh, don't get caught without a little lead cause it could get a little gnarly!

-- fiscan, 19 NOV 2010

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burnsattornincan
Message #1664 - 11/19/10 06:49 PM



fiscan thinks Stay Put is correct when he says the event was put on "layaway".

canattorneyyou

< If you want to operate above the law, retain someone who helped write the law - burnsattorn >

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traelin0
Message #1665 - 11/19/10 06:52 PM

Right. But third world immigrants do not think that way. They are used to a lower standard of living so having expensive kids is not a concern. In fact some look at it as a way to get more dough from the government. This is what third world immigration has brought you, Canada, Great Britain and France. Countries that have conveniently sidestepped this have been Australia, China, Russia, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, even Saudi Arabia. So the western culture has absorbed the burden of taking in these useless people from all over the world. In almost every case it has resulted in personal gain for the ones that have brought this on and a toll on the regular working citizens of these once great nations.

Any comment on Message 416, "burns"?  Do you still agree?

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traelin0
Message #1666 - 11/19/10 06:54 PM

Super busy this weekend.... Anyway welts, you have to be the one kidding. A separatist Haitian as our governor general. Oh yeah, well aware of that. I guess she liked the federal paycheck enough to put aside her aspirations of Quebec separating from Canada and the ensuing chaos that would follow. By the way, that whole *useless* wing of the government should be abolished right along with the senate.

More from fiscan on immigration.  You're hired as head of INS in my Cabinet!

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traelin0
Message #1667 - 11/19/10 06:56 PM

Man that nonsense  has to be something right out of Mein Kamp and what is the  " corpratestocracy"...??  Is that another name for Obamanation??  And is it contagious ??

Message 417 from RDT, a true gem.  This is the thread that gives me a warm fuzzy all year round.

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AKA sanityjones
Message #1668 - 11/19/10 07:07 PM

More from fiscan on immigration.  You're hired as head of INS in my Cabinet!

I would think he'd be better at that than rearranging kitchen appliances. LOL

[Virgil Showlion]

ReformedDayTrade
Message #1669 - 11/19/10 07:09 PM

Message 417 from RDT, a true gem

       That gem was before I had to attend "Charm" School

and write a theme paper on Anger Management.... I will provide copies of that paper if anyone is interested..??

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traelin0
Message #1670 - 11/19/10 07:10 PM

I would think he'd be better at that than rearranging kitchen appliances. LOL

LOL!  I asked "burns" if I could bury some gold underneath his err fiscan's dining room floor but got no response!  Hell, I'd even help him fix it later by dragging another fridge across it to make it more symmetrical!

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burnsattornincan
Message #1671 - 11/19/10 07:10 PM



traelin0 - fiscan does make some pretty lucid comments on touchy subjects. I however have completely different views. You see, I'm a gay liberal. Yes, I can hear the laughter now and I've heard it all.... fudge packer, pole smoker, rear viewer, cable shaker, sauce seeker..... doesn't bother me a bit. We put aside our differences when conducting business. We can go out for a beer after hammering out real estate transactions and watch a game of hockey on the big screen. When apart, we're back to work promoting our agendas.

canattorneyyou

< Give the gift of freedom, retain the one who defines freedom - burnsattorn >

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traelin0
Message #1672 - 11/19/10 07:12 PM



Ahh another gem, from Mystic Guru of OZ, message 538.  Where did Mystic go to BTW, I liked that nickname better, not that anyone asked me...?

Thanks! Validation of progress. I've never e-mailed Kym about you RDT... you are easily handled or ignored here. Now... if you started using vulgarity, profanity or other Code of Conduct violations that used to be overlooked with consistency... that would be another story.

A reminder that 40 million people are out of work, RDT... those that have employment should be focused on doing it properly... not multi-tasking to a paycheck. I quit being a moderator because the Status Quo here got too low. This site is much better now in many ways... just needed a good sweeping.   

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AKA sanityjones
Message #1673 - 11/19/10 07:13 PM

Hell, I'd even help him fix it later by dragging another fridge across it to make it more symmetrical!

Outstanding. ROFL!

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traelin0
Message #1674 - 11/19/10 07:14 PM

traelin0 - fiscan does make some pretty lucid comments on touchy subjects. I however have completely different views. You see, I'm a gay liberal. Yes, I can hear the laughter now and I've heard it all.... fudge packer, pole smoker, rear viewer, cable shaker, sauce seeker..... doesn't bother me a bit. We put aside our differences when conducting business. We can go out for a beer after hammering out real estate transactions and watch a game of hockey on the big screen. When apart, we're back to work promoting our agendas.

Horrible, HORRIBLE I say!!!!  How could anyone be so insensitive as to call you those epithets, certainly noone on these boards!

[Virgil Showlion]

deziloooooo
Message #1675 - 11/19/10 07:16 PM

Things may be better, they may be worse, but I seriously doubt they'll be catastrophic. 

POSSIBLE not catastrophic, complete coming apart, but I do believe, very sorry to say, very, that the slack in the rope tht enabled us to regroup, pull back, gather our strength and then come back with new energy, is no longer there and the rest of the world, or the most capable of, have caught up, and moved ahead and while not knowing more then we, have taken the bull by the horns, made the commitment , and are investing in the technologies of the 21 st century to make sure they get a major piece of it for their countries and for the benefit of their people, and we, also knowing what has to be done, have not found the leadership, and the people they lead , will /would not allow then to do so anyway, being caught up in the now, unable to or unwitting to hear of he sacrifices needed to also be a player in the new century, so basically we are going to be the followers as others take over the leadership roles.

While we will still be here, the loss will be in our standard of living, the diminishing of the American dream, the shrinking of the middle class till after a few decades as the survivors of our prosperous times, the vibrant middle class age and  disappear, then a acceptance of what is will be the norm and we will be what we have become..here, some what strong but the true leaders of the world...No, that will have been moved elsewhere.

Happened before, Spain, UK, France , Netherlands, Rome, Egypt, Greece, Constantinople, so many others..but this  time it won't be by military failures, being over run by superior forces, we'll still be strong that way, and that type of conquest will be passé, not needed..there are other ways..less painful but still as destructive for the loser..I am afraid I feel the loser will be us.

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1676 - 11/19/10 07:31 PM

Thanks! Validation of progress. I've never e-mailed Kym about you RDT

 

           Oh yes he did and wanted me permanently banned for whatever?? But Kymberly said "no way" according to my unreliable sources who were all over that incident, and they are still ticked but I told them to cool it and let it go..

You see, I'm a gay liberal. Yes, I can hear the laughter now and I've heard it all.

           Not in San Franciso you will only hear music and see gentle people wearing flowers in their hair.

 

But they don't smell too pleasant these days with all the heavy smoke in the air...

 

 

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traelin0
Message #1677 - 11/19/10 07:35 PM

Not in San Franciso you will only hear music and see gentle people wearing flowers in their hair.

Uncircumcised I presume?

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jma23
Message #1678 - 11/19/10 07:36 PM



deziloooooo, maybe your lifestyle may be going downhill with the economy, but out here in rural USA things have hardly changed. 

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1679 - 11/19/10 07:44 PM

Maybe the loser is you ?

       Hey jma23 why not edit your comment or hit the  delete key ...    Thanx......RDT

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burnsattornincan
Message #1680 - 11/19/10 07:49 PM



From fiscan;

Oh boy, here we go!

canattorneyyou

< need more taglines... >

[Virgil Showlion]

ReformedDayTrade
Message #1681 - 11/19/10 07:56 PM



Not me I am gone.....later guys and gals ...

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deziloooooo
Message #1682 - 11/19/10 08:04 PM



I see these types of post many times and have refrained from posting on them as just thinking a "getting off the chests  in frustrations", which I understand, sympathize with, and give a "you the man " quietly in my head sometimes , as I am not going to be one to participate. to late in life, loved ones away from me, on their own plus the realist in me , but I am thinking there is more seriousness to them then I thought, meaning you do have a cabin some where, fortified, semi isolated, stocked up, fields  of fire cleared and the other things needed for survival if the time comes. So I have a thought , not a disrespect of, your feelings, your right to do and more power to do it.

I have paid off my debts,  own my property ought right, and have enough provisions to last several years.  I could be in my rabbit hole for quite a while without ever sticking my head up as I have the ability to purify air and water in copious amounts for my family.

kyaker, that's great news to hear.  I just wish all Americans would follow suit

effthis, if your pantry is full of food, and your weapons/ammo are just as full, it is far easier to defend an entrenched position, especially against starving people (armed).  Your food will keep you strong both physically/mentally against a half crazed, starving person (even one that is armed) and places your percentage of survival very high.

Thats why you do not tell people what you have and where you have it. Do you have a well for water and if you do do you have a hand pump because without electricity you cannot get it unless you do. Do you have cast cook ware? Do yo uhave basic fishing equipment, do you have basic first aid supplies, the list goes on

This one I can see, if have the fore site, why not.

My wife and I have enough food, water, and supplies to see us through a short term crisis (earthquake, terrorist attack, etc.). Maybe a few months at best

I am assuming you are not in a group militia, dozens of like minded , like philosophy, banded together  , near but not near to work when necessary for the common good, but for the most part alone, prepared for the worst.

as a realist it seems you are thinking of the collapse of society , people with out coming to take from those who might have a bit

and I am thinking..if it happened..there is a encounter..here you are , possible able to hold off, then again the ones coming to take, a bit of smarts too, send a few on point, stay back what ever you do they do too from cover, or say miss you entirely this time, leave, defeated,  but when you go back to the fortified cabin or what ever, you find in the encounter, one of your children has been hurt, your wife possible..no doctors really...if the worst happens .. your wife looks at you...sorry, to morbid but there is no heroics, no adventure, no excitment in these things..there is a reality of  and my little scenario of a happening at  a isolated cabin some where...

Why my reaction of....seems there is a bavado and adventure being put up on these types of posts...my feeling..if going to do it..so do it...don't come on with the bravado, there is none..pray to the almighty that NEVER EVER will it have to be used, gone to except as a vacation get away...hopefully the cans of food and water and weapons, burst because of age,  turns foul, rust away..because of not ever having to be used and as one ages  the whole idea becomes a secret family joke to be laughed at privately by members...but lordy never ever let it out in public..to embarrassing.

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deziloooooo
Message #1683 - 11/19/10 08:22 PM

out here in rural USA things have hardly changed. 

seriously, really glad to hear it and neither for me either, but it's my time in life, made sure things were taken cae of , priorities of things in hand, but as a observer, a reader and one who still has a interest and curiosity and feels deeply for my country, my observations on the big picture, I am afraid my post stands....how , you can't believe me when I say this but it's true, that if all my dire predictions are proven as only the BS of a demented one..a asylum is the place for one such as I if the government still had those , afraid most of the inmates/patients  have been released to wander the sreets, acually for economic reasons and not wanting to bother , though they claim for their dignity of life...now that is B.S. , that would be great news as they led me away in a white jacket.

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AKA sanityjones
Message #1684 - 11/19/10 08:35 PM

Hey Dezi, I think you have missed your calling. You should have gotten a job at Gitmo writing stories for the prisoners. Your highly abbreviated thought processes really come out on paper and I feel would assuredly crack even the most diehard of international terror suspects. Would actually put waterboarding to shame. Carry on; as you were.

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jma23
Message #1685 - 11/19/10 08:37 PM

RDT #1678 is edited.  deziloooooo, apology for loser statement.

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1686 - 11/19/10 08:53 PM

Thanx jma23 and I should probably do some editing on this thread also but that would take @ 35 days and cut into my Christmas Shopping..  

[Virgil Showlion]

deziloooooo
Message #1687 - 11/19/10 10:58 PM

Your highly abbreviated thought processes

Is that a put down..aahh thats ok...been there before , as far as the loser ?   trust me if that's the worst that has been put my way...actually I posted that #1682 not realizing that it was on page 1 of this thread...and the folks referring to might have passed in the time fom page 1 to page 17...but thought keep any way but if so out of date..no problem deleting...

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traelin0
Message #1688 - 11/19/10 11:32 PM

Thanx jma23 and I should probably do some editing on this thread also but that would take @ 35 days and cut into my Christmas Shopping..  

Oh for the love of God NOOOOOOOOO!

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traelin0
Message #1689 - 11/30/10 04:29 PM



So now we also have people on other threads advocating violent revolution.  I'm curious, am I a "concrete cowboy" since I do NOT advocate this nonsense?

Concrete cowboys, in any mental state, trying to go up against a group of fully trained ex-Marines, soldiers, and avid hunters, which my group encompasses, will not only hold them off but will see a serious decrease in the Texas census.

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1690 - 11/30/10 04:37 PM

When the Economic Collapse hits this fall will you be prepared?

          Probably NOT since I didn't prepare too well in 2009 or 2010....and will not prepare too well for 2011....it is hard to change Old guys who are set in our ways.....change comes very slowly if at all.. And I am not investing in Gold or Corn but more into cash reserves for rainy days or spending splurges again..

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traelin0
Message #1691 - 11/30/10 04:49 PM

And I am not investing in Gold or Corn but more into cash reserves for rainy days or spending splurges again..

I am invested in Gold but I am NOT invested in corn, maize, wheat, beef jerky, or horkin fiber chunks.  Are you a concrete cowboy as well?  Apparently I am, since some of us don't advocate violent revolution??  And to your question, of course the Army would be commanding!  The Navy would be lounging by the pool and the Air Force would be hosting strip club events in commandeered barns. 

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jma23
Message #1692 - 11/30/10 05:00 PM

 the Air Force would be hosting strip club events in commandeered barns.

When are the tickets available?

[Virgil Showlion]

traelin0
Message #1693 - 11/30/10 05:54 PM



Note to self: Keep the Coup D'etat thread handy, so I can recall it from one single thread in 36 months.

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safeharbor37
Message #1694 - 11/30/10 10:05 PM

Your highly abbreviated thought processes .... Is that a put down..aahh thats ok...been there before , as far as the loser ?

       As a general rule, if you can't figure out if something is an insult, it isn't. If it is and you just can't figure it out........ oh well.

       Another general rule: Take all comments as complements. It save a lot of aggravation.

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Stay Put
Message #1695 - 12/01/10 05:28 AM

So now we also have people on other threads advocating violent revolution.  I'm curious, am I a "concrete cowboy" since I do NOT advocate this nonsense?

Save for the Progressives' agenda (play book.."Bottom up.  Top down.  Inside out" Van Jones), I don't believe that anyone is advocating, or even hoping for any type of violence.  In fact, I myself have pointed out that people should start going back to their houses of worship and working together as communities, in filling the daily needs of those communities; ie. food, clothing, shelter and the like.  These are not the suggestions of a person who either expects or hopes for "violent revolution" as you referred to it.  Also, and again, my comments were made over a year ago, and were in response to a psychotic scenario that was asked of me by RDT.  It was "his" suggestion that hoards of crazy, gun loving Texans would come up and kill me for my food, and some other complete nonsense like that.  I was merely stating what my response would be to that hypothetical scenario that "he" suggested would happen.  He then goes back and edits his comments so as to be seen as somehow winning an argument.  Clever trick, but I believe that most people caught on real quick.  Again, this was over a year ago.  Get over it.  Move on.

The other post, to which you came on this op to address (for whatever reason) has the poster simply bringing up a report that he had come across.  The report stated that 'supposedly' certain military officers claimed that for reasons of national security and defense, the military might take over an out of control, unconstitutional government if it deemed it necessary.  I responded on that other OP that although I do not personally believe that this will actually play itself out, I also would not be so quick to attack and criticize the poster as so many sheeple always seem to do.  I also asked the readers to think about all that has transpired over the past two years, and if anyone could ever believe that our nation would find ourselves where we are today, two years ago?  If all that has actually happened, over the past two years is possible, then who is to say what "might" happen over the course of the next 36 months.

Instead of trying to make good copy, we on this board should be spending our time trying to work out solid solutions.

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1696 - 12/01/10 10:41 AM

Also, and again, my comments were made over a year ago, and were in response to a psychotic scenario that was asked of me by RDT.  It was "his" suggestion that hoards of crazy, gun loving Texans would come up and kill me for my food, and some other complete nonsense like that.  I was merely stating what my response would be to that hypothetical scenario that "he" suggested would happen.  He then goes back and edits his comments so as to be seen as somehow winning an argument.  Clever trick, but I believe that most people caught on real quick.  Again, this was over a year ago.  Get over it.  Move on.

            It was NOT my suggestion that hordes of crazy, gun loving Texans would come up and kill you for your food. You have me confused with one of your many other critics (PatrioticStablest)Msg#7 on this thread, and your silly response is just delusional thinking; along with your continuous  bragging about your military service and suggestions that a military Coup is a possibility....which is not only dumb but humorous as I & others on this thread have stated  for over a year .. And we will not move on because this nonsensical thread just keeps giving and giving many here a lot of laughs with so many silly and ridiculous scenarios espoused by you. Here is just one sample or an unedited discussion about the so called "Concrete Cowboys".....it will make your day..

  Message #7
07/17/09 05:06 PM

We are prepared in every way, have savings, no debt, food, guns, ammo, generators, and fuel, but if this happens and the hordes  of starving people start running north out of Houston, don't kid yourselves, you wouldn't be able to hold them off for long

  Message #9
07/17/09 05:27 PM

hordes  of starving people start running north out of Houston, don't kid yourselves, you wouldn't be able to hold them off for long.

Concrete cowboys, in any mental state, trying to go up against a group of fully trained ex-Marines, soldiers, and avid hunters, which my group encompasses, will not only hold them off but will see a serious decrease in the Texas census

 

 

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traelin0
Message #1697 - 12/01/10 03:11 PM

The other post, to which you came on this op to address (for whatever reason) has the poster simply bringing up a report that he had come across.  The report stated that 'supposedly' certain military officers claimed that for reasons of national security and defense, the military might take over an out of control, unconstitutional government if it deemed it necessary.  I responded on that other OP that although I do not personally believe that this will actually play itself out, I also would not be so quick to attack and criticize the poster as so many sheeple always seem to do.  I also asked the readers to think about all that has transpired over the past two years, and if anyone could ever believe that our nation would find ourselves where we are today, two years ago?  If all that has actually happened, over the past two years is possible, then who is to say what "might" happen over the course of the next 36 months.

That thread is completely off the rails, whacked out, ranting.  All it does is make the lives of logical bears more difficult.  It's no wonder people won't listen to reason and common sense; you have a bunch of insane Chicken Littles running around, advocating coups and military juntas!  The other problem I have with that thread is that it is most likely baiting, and who knows if it's baiting with a more sinister purpose.  If one is a bear, lay out the argument why, but don't cry wolf and make sane bears' lives more difficult.

Again, this was over a year ago.  Get over it.  Move on.

I can't.  I admit I'm powerless over my addiction, that my life...

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1698 - 12/01/10 03:58 PM

"when you're up to your ass in alligators, it is hard to remember that your original intention is to drain the swamp"   Anonymous Floridian   Wetlands Conservationist

[Virgil Showlion]

Value-Buy
Message #1699 - 12/01/10 04:10 PM

Soybeans have been looking good lately.......

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1700 - 12/01/10 04:16 PM



V-B..............How has corn being doing lately??  Would you now be indecently wealthy if you bought tons of corn futures as suggested here??

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Value-Buy
Message #1701 - 12/01/10 04:22 PM



Congratulations RDT

Message #1700 belongs to you!

Yes, I could have been indecently wealthy (maybe) if I had.

Commodities are too tricky for me. No way can I compete against the big guys with the computer trading programs.

I would get wiped out in  New York minute.

No guts, no glory..........

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1702 - 12/01/10 04:30 PM

I'll stick with Day Trading IPOs....although 2010 was not as good as 2009 in the IPO market...unless you had inside information..

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Value-Buy
Message #1703 - 12/01/10 04:48 PM

JCI is breaking to a 52 week high today. It is one of my longterm holdings, but I wonder if I should sell, and wait for a pullback for re-entry. Just do not know, if I will see a large enough pullback.

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1704 - 12/01/10 04:54 PM

1d 5d 10d 1m 3m 6m YTD 1yr 3yr 5yr 10yr Max Print chart

 

 

JCI could have more upside potential from the trend curve for this long term chart .....IMHO

[Virgil Showlion]

Value-Buy
Message #1705 - 12/01/10 04:59 PM



They did a 3 for 1 split a few years ago. It has been a nice stock longterm for me.

Dividend was cut back at the collapse of the Auto industry, but has been improving.

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1706 - 12/01/10 06:31 PM

I would HOLD JCI and postpone any profit taking until we know what our taxes will be for capital gains..

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traelin0
Message #1707 - 12/01/10 07:59 PM

It was NOT my suggestion that hordes of crazy, gun loving Texans would come up and kill you for your food.

Oh God, I can't stop laughing out loud!!!  I just keep reading this quote over and over again, this entire conversation is so FUBARed LMFAO!!!

Does anyone know if there has *ever* been a longer running, more entertaining thread in the history of MSN???

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traelin0
Message #1708 - 12/01/10 08:03 PM

The OP for this thread first posted to it in July, 2009.  He asked if we were prepared for the economic collapse that would happen in the fall of 2009.

I would say I was, because I came through it quite well.

Demi (Message #587), I am prepared for the collapse in the fall of 2009 as well.  Only in January will I start worrying about the economic collapse in the fall of 1999.  Gotta be prepared, man!

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traelin0
Message #1709 - 12/01/10 08:06 PM

Ok so we did NOT have an economic collapse last fall and we beat this to death without going to the FEMA Camps but we should give Stay Put his due for warning about the militia groups which have been expanding since he posted his call to arms last July...and of course the famous letter by Janet Napolitano last April that also said the Militia were a threat to our U.S. Sovereignty and somehow Veterans Groups got included with the Extremist Fringe Groups or elements.  It is probably a fact but not sanctioned by the VFW at least not in Northern California but you never can tell about the Concrete Cowboys in Texas or Oklahoma because they do get riled up about immigration reform that is bubbling just below the surface and Obama is pushing for reform ASAP so they can get his free health care, I think??

See, there is always sunlight around every corner!

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Value-Buy
Message #1710 - 12/01/10 08:08 PM

Oh man, the market is really good today. No immediate economic collapse foreseen, other than maybe the Euro.

[Virgil Showlion]

traelin0
Message #1711 - 12/01/10 08:09 PM

He may feel like he's said all he needs to say on the matter.


I think you got it Murph.

RDT's still farting in a vacuum.

Cedaredge,

 I'm tired of your attacks on fellow posters, irrelevant posts and warning you. You are hereby banned for three days. Feel sure that continuation of such posting, upon your return, will result in further sanctions.

  Safeharbor37/MSN Moderator

safe, did cedar ever make it back from his ban on 12/11/2009???

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traelin0
Message #1712 - 12/01/10 08:14 PM

Cedaredge,

                  Go back to your domestic partner and sleep off all of the booze you two sweeties consumed today

ROFL oh God I'll never forget the crapstorm this one created, hahahaha.

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Value-Buy
Message #1713 - 12/01/10 08:16 PM

safe, did cedar ever make it back from his ban on 12/11/2009???

How many bans did Cedar survive? The number is rather high. They were never a lifetime ban, as that is reserved for staunch Republicans.

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safeharbor37
Message #1714 - 12/01/10 08:27 PM

Cedaredge is not currently banned.    sh37/msnm

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traelin0
Message #1715 - 12/01/10 08:29 PM

How many bans did Cedar survive? The number is rather high. They were never a lifetime ban, as that is reserved for staunch Republicans.

Cotes du Rhone correctly received a lifetime ban and that guy was as conservative as Vladimir Lenin.  If anyone was a concrete cowboy, it's him.  He'd tell us stories of his son playing piano while he'd sip fine wine, or play chess.

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Value-Buy
Message #1716 - 12/01/10 08:41 PM



COTES. Cnservative?

Just who do you consider a Liberal?

 

Commodities were all strong today. Stocks, wow, hard to have lost money today. Should have sold some JCI above $38 and bought back this afternoon. Darn it, RDT.

 

Shoulda coulda woulda. The story of my economic life

[Virgil Showlion]

traelin0
Message #1717 - 12/01/10 08:42 PM

Just who do you consider a Liberal?

VB, read my exact quote. 

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fiscana
Message #1718 - 12/01/10 08:43 PM

He'd tell us stories of his son playing piano while he'd sip fine wine, or play chess.

I kind of liked the guy for some reason. He really through me for a loop once when he told me he was Asian.

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traelin0
Message #1719 - 12/01/10 08:47 PM

I kind of liked the guy for some reason. He really through me for a loop once when he told me he was Asian.

He's Indian, not Asian, if I remember correctly.  Like they say, never assume a Marxist speaks Russian.    Dude, I have been in tears for the past hour, going through the first 20 pages again.  It was uncontrollable laughter to the point where my officemate came over to read over my shoulder.  Do yourself a large favor and read the comments again.

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Value-Buy
Message #1720 - 12/01/10 08:49 PM



Trae, Sorry about that. As soon as I saw "Conservative" in the same sentence as "Cotes", I drifted off

You have to admit we have lost more Conservatives than Liberals to the Mods........

Corn and soybeans both positive today.

By the way, anyone notice how close Platinum and gold are trading? There is usually a large differential between the two. I guess the economies across the world may not be seen as starting a recovery just yet, or they expect the collapse of civilization as we know it.

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fiscana
Message #1721 - 12/01/10 08:53 PM



Yeah, I know its absolutely priceless. Cedar going off on RDT is really something. "Domestic partner" and something about a little red toy Corvette? I'll have to wait till I'm home though.

Whats up with you at work these days? You're posting like a madman, can't be getting much done unless you're using that third arm from all the GMO consumption.

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Stay Put
Message #1722 - 12/01/10 09:06 PM

All it does is make the lives of logical bears more difficult.  It's no wonder people won't listen to reason and common sense; you have a bunch of insane Chicken Littles running around, advocating coups and military juntas! 

I am way past the point of anything really surprising me about our government anymore.  For the umpteenth time, that was NOT my OP on the distant possibility of a military take over.  I ruffled feathers of all the sheeple because I wouldn't jump on board and automatically attack the poster for his thread.  I also pointed out just how insane it would have sounded two years ago, to the same mindless sheeple, for anyone to state that ALL that has actually happened in the past two years actually could or would.  AGAIN, I also stated that although I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE MILITARY WILL TAKE OVER OUR COUNTRY FROM AN OUT OF CONTROL WASHINGTON, I still am open minded enough to see that there is a plausibility in that scenario, albeit remote.

[Virgil Showlion]

traelin0
Message #1723 - 12/01/10 09:08 PM

Yeah, I know its absolutely priceless. Cedar going off on RDT is really something. "Domestic partner" and something about a little red toy Corvette? I'll have to wait till I'm home though.

Dude, reread page 14.  I can't stop laughing.  Ask me what they're talking about and I'd tell you I have no idea, but that's the whole point, LOL.  Every now and then you catch a whiff of the insults' history...maybe we need them to fill us in?

Whats up with you at work these days? You're posting like a madman, can't be getting much done unless you're using that third arm from all the GMO consumption.

LMFAO!!!  I am on the bench for the moment, will be less "active" in a couple weeks.

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traelin0
Message #1724 - 12/01/10 09:09 PM

I am way past the point of anything really surprising me about our government anymore.  For the umpteenth time, that was NOT my OP on the distant possibility of a military take over.  I ruffled feathers of all the sheeple because I wouldn't jump on board and automatically attack the poster for his thread.  I also pointed out just how insane it would have sounded two years ago, to the same mindless sheeple, for anyone to state that ALL that has actually happened in the past two years actually could or would.  AGAIN, I also stated that although I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE MILITARY WILL TAKE OVER OUR COUNTRY FROM AN OUT OF CONTROL WASHINGTON, I still am open minded enough to see that there is a plausibility in that scenario, albeit remote.

Stay Put, my comments aren't even directed toward you.  I never said you advocated violent revolution.  The reason I linked the two threads were 1) They are tangentially related; 2) I wanted to have one location where I could recall interesting threads; and 3) Noone knows the history of "concrete cowboy" unless they read this thread.

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Stay Put
Message #1725 - 12/01/10 09:16 PM

traelin0, did someone twist your panties in a bunch?  It seems that all that you are trying to do, these past couple of days, is to start or attempt to start arguments between other people.  I see what you are doing.  I'm just trying to figure out why.

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traelin0
Message #1726 - 12/01/10 09:17 PM

traelin0, did someone twist your panties in a bunch?  It seems that all that you are trying to do, these past couple of days, is to start or attempt to start arguments between other people.  I see what you are doing.  I'm just trying to figure out why.

My crack is rubbed raw I guess.  In all seriousness, that Coup thread was whacked and it was a poor attempt at baiting people into saying things they shouldn't say; and no, of course I wouldn't try to rehash those horrible, horrible times from last year!  I still would like someone to verify for me where jump school is.

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fiscana
Message #1727 - 12/01/10 09:25 PM

traelin0, did someone twist your panties in a bunch?

hah ahah a ha  aha h ah a ha ha hah ah h aa h a ha ha ha ha ha

Here we go!!!!!

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Stay Put
Message #1728 - 12/01/10 09:27 PM

To amend post 1725, I would like to add that it seems out of character for you.

[Virgil Showlion]

fiscana
Message #1729 - 12/01/10 09:36 PM

ha ah a hah ah ah  ahah  ah hah a   The "peddle Corvette". There it was on page 15! Damn, I should have waited till I got home....

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traelin0
Message #1730 - 12/01/10 09:58 PM

To amend post 1725, I would like to add that it seems out of character for you.

Cut me some slack man, I'm bored to tears!  I've had to make extra coffee runs just to stay awake.  Plus yes, that Coup thread is not to be taken lightly.  I shouldn't have to spell this out for anyone why people shouldn't even respond to it in an intellectual manner.

If you honestly think I have it out for anyone on these boards, with the possible exception of YvanG fishing for violent revolutionaries, you'd be mistaken.  I agree with you that the economy is screwed, but c'mon man, admit it this thread has some awesome humor.  I don't even understand half the insults and that's what makes it incredibly entertaining.  Life is too short to avoid laughter and this thread makes me laugh.

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1731 - 12/01/10 10:24 PM

Message #58
07/19/09 02:22 PM

I think that the market problems are by no means over with. So Stay Put I agree that we are indeed in for some serious economic times. On the other hand I think that trying to call a collapse of all social structure in the next 2-3 months is ridiculous. Was this the same time frame you reported when you started a thread on MT after a long absence?

Gloom and doomers/ end of the world types seem to be primarily rural folk that have some misconceived notion that urban dwellers by the millions are going to assault their caves to steel their cache of spam. Yet history has shown that cities usually get inundated with people from rural areas. Being an urban dweller I can assure you that city folk will not abandon surroundings they are familiar with to wander around like zombies in the countryside.

I've watched your posts for a long time Stay Put. Your earlier comments:

effthis, if your pantry is full of food, and your weapons/ammo are just as full, it is far easier to defend an entrenched position, especially against starving people (armed).  Your food will keep you strong both physically/mentally against a half crazed, starving person (even one that is armed) and places your percentage of survival very high.

and:

Concrete cowboys, in any mental state, trying to go up against a group of fully trained ex-Marines, soldiers, and avid hunters, which my group encompasses, will not only hold them off but will see a serious decrease in the Texas census.

pretty much reinforces my opinion that you have a pathological issue of wanting to kill people and are hoping for a reason to do it. I have never heard you say that you would help feed someone that is starving. I have heard you gleefully brag about the weapons that you have for killing someone that is desperate and starving.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Message #59
07/19/09 02:43 PM

neohguy, thank you for the critique.  If you take my comments out of context, I can see how you might draw the conclusions that you have.  If, however, you read the statements of others who have stated that supposed hordes of people would come out of the woodwork to attack me for my food and other supplies, because I have prepared for the melt down and others have not, you might just realize that I am merely answering that scenario presented to me.  This does not mean that I would turn away someone who comes to me peaceably, asking for help.

It has been instilled in me that the only good defense is an outstanding offense.  If anyone came to harm my loved ones, to try and take away by force the food that will allow us to survive a melt down, then yes, I would kill without hesitation.  If using deadly force to protect my loved ones makes me "blood thirsty", then so be it.  It should be noted, however, that I am not looking for that scenario to unfold.  I am prepared for that contingency though

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1732 - 12/01/10 10:43 PM



Does anyone know what happened to the FEMA Death Camps?? Or did anyone escape from one of these camps??  I understand the FEMA Death Camp  guards are also Concrete Cowboys who are lousy shots..  .

  Message #204
07/28/09 03:51 AM

FEMA death camps

               Just more scare tactics by the fringe elements who want to see our government collapse or do they actually exist in some folks elusions??

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traelin0
Message #1733 - 12/01/10 10:51 PM

I understand the FEMA Death Camp  guards are also Concrete Cowboys who are lousy shots.. 

STOP, my wife thinks I'm NUTS laughing my ass off!!!

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billisonboard
Message #1734 - 12/01/10 10:59 PM

Camp?  I love camp.  We will have S'Mores?  (run with it tra...)

[Virgil Showlion]

ReformedDayTrade
Message #1735 - 12/01/10 11:06 PM



This thread is a hilarious  spoof about our economy with FEMA Camps, Concrete Cowboys, hordes of hungry Texans roaming the streets looking for food, thin skinned Doomsters and Gloomiers, Chicken Littles running around screaming the "Sky is Falling",  militants packing shot guns, guys with twisted thongs, drunken domestic partners,  and advocates of the "Turner Diaries"  .. It has everything including some scary stuff but just keeps on giving....no wonder this thread is good for a few laughs....  It reminds me of the Naked Gun movies with the late and great comedic actor from Canada Leslie Nielsen...  no wonder fiscan and the other canadians here enjoy this thread so much.. and kept asking me "Surely you can't be serious?"...

..

 

 

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YvanG
Message #1736 - 12/02/10 12:31 AM

traelin0:

What the heck is this ...

If you honestly think I have it out for anyone on these boards, with the possible exception of YvanG fishing for violent revolutionaries, you'd be mistaken. 

The only thing I am fishing for is people with brains who want to expand their understanding of the world and to profit in the markets from the inevitable arrival of "black swans", events that no one can predict unless they think outside of the box.

I THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX - which is why I have been successful in the markets for many years.

If you want to parrot the official line of people who care less for you than the East German aparatchiks cared about their citizens -- well then defend this crap government !

I am sorry if I have the education, background and training to understand the social, military and economic situation facing the Western world.

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Value-Buy
Message #1737 - 12/02/10 12:33 AM



Careful there, RDT, you might get this thread moved to the EE board if you are not careful.

Then again, maybe this thread should just die gracefully, but Trae would just revive it six months down the road.

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1738 - 12/02/10 12:47 AM

I am sorry if I have the education, background and training to understand the social, military and economic situation facing the Western world.

        YvanG.  Have you ever been in the U.S. military??  I enjoy reading someone who thinks "outside the box" but advocating a Coup D'Etat by our military officers is way outside the box and probably so far outside it is delusional, and reeks of anarchists ideas  or something Julian Assange would like to post on wiki-leaks..IMHO

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Stay Put
Message #1739 - 12/02/10 03:37 AM

Careful there, RDT, you might get this thread moved to the EE board if you are not careful.

Or, maybe just him.

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Stay Put
Message #1740 - 12/02/10 03:52 AM

RDT, I know that you live in California, and you people in that state float your boats a whole lot differently than the men in the rest of the country (world), but the way that you seem to be constantly stalking me is really creepy "dude".  I'm about as straight as they come, (oh boy.  I hope I didn't turn you on by that innocent comment) and I have no interest in men of any kind or age.  So, if you could just go and find someone else to both be attracted to and stalk I would really appreciate it. 

[Virgil Showlion]

ReformedDayTrade
Message #1741 - 12/02/10 04:03 AM

So, if you could just go and find someone else to both be attracted to and stalk I would really appreciate it.

      That is pathetic and you are not only paranoid but delusional as well. and this whiny comment by you yesterday proves it without a shadow of doubt ..

Also, and again, my comments were made over a year ago, and were in response to a psychotic scenario that was asked of me by RDT

       You obviously have me confused with two others who questioned your paranoia, and fear of the hordes in Houston Texas coming after you for food...

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Stay Put
Message #1742 - 12/02/10 04:10 AM

You are nor only paranoid but delusional as well..

Am I really?  Your unending string of posts "prove" your compulsive behavior, in addition to constantly editing all of your past posts.  These are documented facts that everyone has seen.  Therefore, I am "nor" paranoid, "nor" delusional.

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fiscana
Message #1743 - 12/02/10 04:12 AM

I THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX

Well I might as well come out of the closet here, so to speak, and mention the fact that I have brought up this scenario a couple of times already. What else is there left when elected officials are so inept and/or corrupt to the point where national security is in question. It seems they have been litigating bills into laws that only loosely fit the constitution, all the while padding the pockets of lawyers, and siphoning off of people who actually produce something tangible. This cannot continue indefinitely. 

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safeharbor37
Message #1744 - 12/02/10 04:15 AM



To whom it may concern or apply,

    Trading insults is inappropriate and will cease or action will be taken to make it cease.

         Hoping the message gets across I am,    safeharbor37/MSN Moderator

              [second warning]

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1745 - 12/02/10 04:29 AM

This cannot continue indefinitely. 

           It will not continue indefinitely but could very well end this year as the "Lame Duck" congress ceases to be.  However you may see more gridlock next year as the Republican Controlled House vs the Democratic Controlled Senate try to reach some compromises and pass legislation that will increase economic activity. The wild card will be whether or not Obama wants to move to the center of the political spectrum as Clinton did with a Republican Controlled House or will he remain steadfast to his liberal agenda to appease the left in his party..

 

           The new congress next year will have the eyes of the entire country watching it and hoping that they will move in the right direction by extending the Bush Tax cuts and concentrating on improving the business environment which has been anti-business for the past two years.. Businesses need to expand and rehire again once they are confident in the policies emanating from Washington DC

 

Hoping the message gets across I am,   ReformedDayTrader/MSN Member  ..

                    

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fiscana
Message #1746 - 12/02/10 04:55 AM

The wild card will be whether or not Obama wants to move to the center of the political spectrum as Clinton did with a Republican Controlled House or will he remain steadfast to his liberal agenda to appease the left in his party..

RDT, the days of Clinton are long gone. The balance sheet dictates that even drastic actions could be in vain. At least we live in the times where being comfortably numb is not an option. The only thing keeping 6b "alive" on this planet is artificial enhancement of food sources which the repercussions are only beginning to be felt.

[Virgil Showlion]

ReformedDayTrade
Message #1747 - 12/02/10 05:02 AM

Private employers add jobs, manufacturing grows

December 1, 2010 6:04 PM ET

By By Caroline Valetkevitch

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. private sector payrolls rose by the most in three years in November, lifting optimism about the job market ahead of Friday's government employment report, while manufacturing data showed growth was intact.

The labor market has been among the weakest parts of the U.S. economy, and economists see gains in that area as evidence that the recovery is picking up steam. Manufacturing, on the other hand, has led the recovery.

U.S. private employers added a stronger-than-forecast 93,000 jobs in November, the biggest rise since November 2007, after an upwardly revised gain of 82,000 the month before, data by ADP Employer Services, which developed the report with Macroeconomic Advisers LLC, showed Wednesday.

In a separate report, the Institute for Supply Management said its index of national factory activity dipped to 56.6 last month from 56.9 in October, in line with expectations and well above the 50 level which indicates expansion.

The report also showed employment plans were steady with the prior month.

The private payrolls rise "is just another sign of re-acceleration in the labor market. Some of the details suggest that there is a 60 percent chance that the government's payroll number could beat consensus," said John Canally, Investment Strategist at LPL Financial in Boston.

The U.S. government's monthly employment report on Friday is forecast to show another month of job gains in both the private and public sectors. In a Reuters poll, nonfarm payrolls are seen up 140,000 in November while private payrolls are seen up 153,000.

 

Suggesting improvement in consumer demand also, U.S. auto sales rose 17 percent in November from a year earlier, according to manufacturers on Wednesday.

The annual sales rate was near 12.3 million vehicles in November, little changed from October, as American consumers were lured into showrooms by month-end discounts for new car purchases that many had delayed through the recession.

Investment bank Goldman Sachs raised its forecast for U.S. GDP growth for 2011 to 2.7 pct from 2.0 pct on Wednesday.

 

articles.moneycentral.msn.com/news/article.aspx?feed=OBR&date=20101201&id=12467373

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fiscana
Message #1748 - 12/02/10 05:09 AM

Clap clap clap clap clap..... yay!!!!!!!!!! RDT!!!!....... Looks rosy and budding my friend!

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1749 - 12/02/10 05:13 AM

Investment bank Goldman Sachs raised its forecast for U.S. GDP growth for 2011 to 2.7 pct from 2.0 pct on Wednesday.

                 GDP growth for 2011 to 2.7% will not provide much improvement for our unemployment rate and needs to be @ 5.0% to reduce the current rate of unemployment..so this says that 2011 will be a repeat of 2010.. but at least there will not be an economic collapse or recession next fall...IMHO

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1750 - 12/02/10 05:22 AM

Looks rosy and budding my friend!

             Not yet because of the 2,000,000 who are about to lose their unemployment benefits @ 500.000 are in California and that is the lead story out here on all the news stations today.  Families are still dealing with foreclosures and sadly relying on food banks to feed their families which is very depressing especially during Thanksgiving and Christmas... So one can only hope that next year will be better or at least not as bad as the past two since Obama took the oath of office and had Pelosi and Reid controlling the congress.

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fiscana
Message #1751 - 12/02/10 05:31 AM

Dude, I'm just trying to be realistic. All this stuff is just too obvious to me for some reason. I hope you get it together down there cause I don't want to see you all coming up here for commodities!

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1752 - 12/02/10 05:35 AM

I hope you get it together down there cause I don't want to see you all coming up here for commodities!

          Which commodities??   Corn??

 

          However I am optimistic that the Debt Commission's ideas may be of some help reducing our national debt.  Although the Liberals claim it is too big of a burden on the poor so therefore it is "Dead On Arrival"..

[Virgil Showlion]

traelin0
Message #1753 - 12/02/10 04:27 PM

Which commodities??   Corn??

I'm going to emigrate to fiscan's cabin, then I'm going to strip mine all the Canadian Rockies!

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traelin0
Message #1754 - 12/02/10 04:28 PM

Dude, I'm just trying to be realistic. All this stuff is just too obvious to me for some reason. I hope you get it together down there cause I don't want to see you all coming up here for commodities!

LOL it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see the Canadian border become the Mexican border, except it would be third-world Americans jumping it.

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1755 - 12/02/10 04:32 PM



Canadians like to tell me they gave us Hockey and then taught us how to play their favorite sport.....I am not sure I can argue with them about that.  but our colleges in MA, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, and Colorado are turning out some good prospects for the NHL...IMHO..

 

They also gave us some awesome comedians. including Leslie Nielsen who wanted to be in the Mounties like his father but decided to go into acting to earn more money and get out of the cold weather in northern Canada.

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traelin0
Message #1756 - 12/02/10 04:47 PM

Canadians like to tell me they gave us Hockey and then taught us how to play their favorite sport.....I am not sure I can argue with them about that.  but our colleges in MA, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, and Colorado are turning out some good prospects for the NHL...IMHO..

I used to love going to Caps games, but there is MLB, and then there's everything else...  And there IS a lot of concrete at the MCI Center, but I didn't see a lot of cowboys?

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1757 - 12/02/10 04:53 PM

When I played hockey both teams would skate to center ice, shake hands, then began to talk trash, have a few fist fights, or high stick someone,  skate to the Penalty Box  and then after all that  occasionally a hockey game would break out..  No wonder the Canadians said we were ruining their sport. or our game was NOT pure hockey as they knew it.

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fiscana
Message #1758 - 12/02/10 04:54 PM

Yeah, and I find it a little scary that we are actually considered underdogs in the upcoming World Junior tourny. We came back big and won 5 in a row but lost out last year in Saskatchewan. For me, losing that tourny is a big deal and you'll see poor fiscan walking around with no expression for about 2-3 days. Our team this year seems a little shaky to me so I might be moping around again the first week of January.

[Virgil Showlion]

ReformedDayTrade
Message #1759 - 12/02/10 04:58 PM

Hey fiscan did you know I skated at the Montreal Forum in a high school playoff with Montreal Catholic High School.. I forget the final score but I think we lost 12 to 1 and not sure who got that one lucky goal...?? And everyone on MCH spoke fluent french so we could not understand their trash talk too well..

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traelin0
Message #1760 - 12/02/10 05:02 PM

Hey fiscan did you know I skated at the Montreal Forum in a high school playoff with Montreal Catholic High School.. I forget the final score but I think we lost 12 to 1 and not sure who got that one lucky goal...?? And everyone on MCH spoke fluent french so we could not understand their trash talk too well..

They were probably discussing who the French would be conquered by next.

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fiscana
Message #1761 - 12/02/10 05:08 PM

Ha ha - yeah, I've been blown out around there and at Quebec City as well. The french guys are pretty good at that level but then start to fade when boys become real men.

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traelin0
Message #1762 - 12/02/10 05:10 PM

but then start to fade when boys become real men.

Yes, the vision of a barrel and Vaseline come to mind when I think of a Frenchman.

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fiscana
Message #1763 - 12/02/10 05:22 PM

Whooooooo trae! What did those guys NOT do for you in 1939?

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1764 - 12/02/10 05:25 PM



One way to start a fight with a French Canadian is to call him "Frenchy"   they don't like being associated with France of England and they are Canadians who just happen to speak French...  and can play both a fast and rough game on ice.....believe me on this one..they are masters at tripping, spearing, and cross checking even in high school which we were not..  Although I think I hit one with my hockey stick after the game was over..and then pointed at our team brawler who loved to fight more than skate..

[Virgil Showlion]

traelin0
Message #1765 - 12/02/10 05:26 PM

Whooooooo trae! What did those guys NOT do for you in 1939?

Let's put it this way, the debts from the Revolution have been reimbursed many times over.  RIBBIT!

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cedaredge
Message #1766 - 12/02/10 05:45 PM

Hey fiscan did you know I skated at the Montreal Forum in a high school playoff with Montreal Catholic High School.

......................and what was everybody's reaction with you wearing figure skates at these games?

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1767 - 12/02/10 05:47 PM



Has anyone seen the economic collapse this fall??  Or was it supposed to hit just OH Canada?? For some reason I can't find it...or maybe just misplaced it.   So  let me double check again and get back to you all....

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1768 - 12/02/10 05:55 PM

Message #1766
12/02/10 09:45 AM

Hey fiscan did you know I skated at the Montreal Forum in a high school playoff with Montreal Catholic High School.

......................and what was everybody's reaction with you wearing figure skates at these games      Figure skates are NOT allowed in hockey since they don't protect your achilles tendon or instep ...something you would not understand..I used CCM's made by the Bobby Bauer Co in Toronto..   BTW how long was your most recent ban ??     How did you get out of LongSam Doghouse?? Get a pass or go AWOL??      

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safeharbor37
Message #1769 - 12/02/10 06:07 PM



Cedaredge,

  You have just received a three day ban for trolling. We're going to stop this before it gets started.

     Thanks for your attention,    safeharbor37/MSN Moderator

RDT,

  Don't get sucked into this. Be concerned about your own status.

     Thanks for your attention,    sh37/msnm

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1770 - 12/02/10 06:15 PM

     Thanks for your attention,    sh37/msn

                 Ok but I thought the figure skates comment was funny. despite my status ??

 

                                        

[Virgil Showlion]

fiscana
Message #1771 - 12/02/10 06:25 PM

Oh comon man! Cedar hasn't even posted around here for ages. I think RDT can handle that one, especially if he can handle trae's favorite frenchies.

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1772 - 12/02/10 06:29 PM



OT........Hey fiscan can you just imagine playing a fast and loose game of hockey wearing figure skates?? You would be all over the ice when you tried to stop and start or got hit with a puck on your big toe..

 

BTW checkout the NHL cheerleaders and ice cleansers these days....they look like Playboy bunnies on ice..

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traelin0
Message #1773 - 12/02/10 06:42 PM

My son will either play baseball or hockey or both.  The other sports really don't interest me, although hoops was fun as a kid.

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fiscana
Message #1774 - 12/02/10 06:45 PM

they look like Playboy bunnies on ice..

Not in Ottawa anymore. They quietly replaced those little chicks with some guys in black sweat pants. Maybe it was a request from the gay counselor in that ward where the arena is. Thank god he lost out on his bid for mayor.

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traelin0
Message #1775 - 12/02/10 07:03 PM

Not in Ottawa anymore. They quietly replaced those little chicks with some guys in black sweat pants. Maybe it was a request from the gay counselor in that ward where the arena is. Thank god he lost out on his bid for mayor.

They replaced hot women with dudes in leotards???  WTH, I'm not emigrating!

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fiscana
Message #1776 - 12/02/10 07:09 PM

Yup, pretty much trae. I doubt Jerry Jones and the Cowboys will follow suit.

[Virgil Showlion]

deziloooooo
Message #1777 - 12/02/10 07:47 PM



Have two grandkids who are into hockey, well one now, grand son ,14, gave it up this year as far as organized but grand daughter still going strong, she is on a travel team, had a tournament in RI this weekend after thanksgiving so flew home a little early as Daughter wanted to go there to watch and pick her up after the tournament. As we were driving to Air Port to drop me off, daughter got a text from a friend that Kate just had just got hit with a penalty and I talked to here Sunday as they were driving home and asked her if it was a girlie penalty or into the boards penalty. She proudly said into the boards

I had watched a few practices with her and the coaches are so good, so organized , that in a hour of ice time they get so much accomplished and te girls are really into it. unbelievable work out in a hour.

This year they have a 22 young girl as a assistent coach who was a captain of the New Hampshire college/University girls team and the girls love her, she is so good and such a good role model.

I can only tell you though that if your kid gets into hockey, it becomes very, very pricy..

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traelin0
Message #1778 - 12/02/10 07:57 PM

I have always broken down my love for baseball and hockey in this manner.  Baseball for me is by far and away the best sport to play.  Hockey for me is by far and away the best sport to watch at an arena.

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1779 - 12/02/10 10:23 PM



I think the thing about hockey is that it is such a challenge to excel in this sport since you have to master skating which takes years of hard work to accomplish, and if you are into junior league hockey you have to practice when ice time is available which is often in the early hours of the morning or late at night in the local rinks or outdoors on rivers and ponds.  You can succeed in other sports if you are gifted with certain talents but for hockey it takes years of hard work and dedication to be successful in this sport and once you play school or amateur hockey you are hooked and for you it is a way of life that will be all of your day and you will  think about for most of your time participating in this sport.  I don't know about the fact that we may have borrowed hockey from our Canadian friends north of the border???.

 

And I yield back the balance of my time to the gentleman from Ottawa, Canada the right honorable Mr fiscan....

 

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traelin0
Message #1780 - 12/03/10 12:35 AM

When the Economic Collapse hits this fall will you be prepared?

OK, in all seriousness and no joking Stay Put, do you think there's the possibility of economic collapse after QE2 runs out in the middle of next year?  Or, like me, do you think they'll just hire extra printing press hands and keep QE going until we have a currency crisis?  I just don't see a deflationary collapse until the dollar is put on bedrest...permanently.

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traelin0
Message #1781 - 12/03/10 02:06 AM

I would tend to think that the doom and gloomers are spending far more in the economy as a whole than those who spend their money on Wall Street. Generators, food, petroleum products, everything a person may feel they need for the next 5 years costs a lot of money. This money is a direct contribution to the local economies of cities and states across the union. Just my opinion.

Indeed, sanity.  I have spent a fortune down here over the past 1.5 years.  The one item I would add to your list as both helping the economy and important for independence is a water well.

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AKA sanityjones
Message #1782 - 12/03/10 03:25 AM

a water well.

I would bet that this item is one of the most often neglected resources taken into consideration. We take our abundant water supply for granted in a huge way. Of course here in America we take everything for granted which is the predominate reason we find ourselves discussing most of these matters anyhow. I am going to drill a backup well next spring and add an additional generator system to operate it as well. without water we are S.O.L. I also bought one of those Royal Berkey water filtration reservoirs which will cleans 24 gallons of dirty water per hour.........not bad. [directive21.com/royal-berkey.html]

[Virgil Showlion]

traelin0
Message #1783 - 12/03/10 03:31 AM

I would bet that this item is one of the most often neglected resources taken into consideration. We take our abundant water supply for granted in a huge way. Of course here in America we take everything for granted which is the predominate reason we find ourselves discussing most of these matters anyhow. I am going to drill a backup well next spring and add an additional generator system to operate it as well. without water we are S.O.L. I also bought one of those Royal Berkey water filtration reservoirs which will cleans 24 gallons of dirty water per hour.........not bad. 

I dropped $3k to get my drillers to install a hand pump.  It wouldn't have been so pricey if people actually still wanted them, or used them.  They are so hard to come by that most of the guys with my service company have never assembled them or installed them.  It never ceases to amaze me how people take water and the ability to access it for granted.  Even the notion of an electric pump is a significant luxury, as I had found out many times as a kid when bad thunderstorms would knock out the power.  The other thing that never ceases to amaze me is the almost immediate nature of people to say, "I know where I'm going if SHTF!"  Uhh, NOPE, not my problem if you didn't heed my advice!

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AKA sanityjones
Message #1784 - 12/03/10 03:35 AM

I dropped $3k to get my drillers to install a hand pump

I'm way too deep for that but a 5kw generator is sufficient to get my water up. As long as the generator is strictly used for that then it won't be maxed out or insufficient. I will have a bigger system for the main house by the spring also. Given a choice I would definitely prefer a hand pump, good call.

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traelin0
Message #1785 - 12/03/10 03:37 AM

I'm way too deep for that but a 5kw generator is sufficient to get my water up. As long as the generator is strictly used for that then it won't be maxed out or insufficient. I will have a bigger system for the main house by the spring also. Given a choice I would definitely prefer a hand pump, good call.

Mine is only about 150ft.  I wanted to go deep enough to avoid agri runoff but not so deep that I'd have to drill through the shale to 800ft.  6 gal/min, it'll work fine for residential use.  10 gal/min. at 40 ft. but then I had to worry about runoff.

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AKA sanityjones
Message #1786 - 12/03/10 03:40 AM

6 gal/min, it'll work fine for residential use.

If it's ever questionable then a storage system could be erected fairly cheaply which could be set up to run off gravity, solar, hand pump, or electricity, although it's probably not necessary.

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traelin0
Message #1787 - 12/03/10 03:43 AM

If it's ever questionable then a storage system could be erected fairly cheaply which could be set up to run off gravity, solar, hand pump, or electricity, although it's probably not necessary.

I thought about a cistern, but I have enough redundancy to distribute to the unprepared beggars and get them out of my hair.  Sad, I never thought I'd look at the average person like that, but it's really what our entire society has become...a bunch of paper shuffling naysayers who have never experienced hard times.

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safeharbor37
Message #1788 - 12/03/10 03:43 AM



There's a well drilling equipment manufacturer that makes equipment for just about anyone in virtually any circumstance up to a certain depth. Years ago I considered buying one for geothermal as well as water. For you who think in terms of survivalist skills, it might be a thought.

DeepRock Manufacturing 2209 Anderson Road, Opelika, AL 36801 or  P.O. Box 1  Opelika, AL 36803
1-800-333-7762 (US only)   FAX [phone]                      [http://www.deeprock.com/]

[Virgil Showlion]

traelin0
Message #1789 - 12/03/10 03:46 AM

There's a well drilling equipment manufacturer that makes equipment for just about anyone in virtually any circumstance up to a certain depth. Years ago I considered buying one for geothermal as well as water. For you who think in terms of survivalist skills, it might be a thought.

Geothermal is something we are considering once our heater bites it, which will probably be sooner rather than later.

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AKA sanityjones
Message #1790 - 12/03/10 03:47 AM

Interesting link Safe........in my state you need a license to drill wells although as things deteriorate one of these babies might just come in handy. Christmas is coming up.................

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traelin0
Message #1791 - 12/03/10 03:49 AM

Interesting link Safe........in my state you need a license to drill wells although as things deteriorate one of these babies might just come in handy. Christmas is coming up.................

You need a license in an awful lot of states, but drillers are the salt of the Earth.  They are willing to negotiate, provided you have something of benefit to give them.  The extended conversations I have had with the owner of the drilling company demonstrated to me that he knows more about common sense economics than Bernanke, and I am not kidding.  Anecdotally, he also told me his business is booming, even in this economy, although it's all for electric pumps.

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AKA sanityjones
Message #1792 - 12/03/10 03:53 AM

They are willing to negotiate, provided you have something of benefit to them.

Especially where I live LOL. Speaking of water storage, I bought a few of those 50 gallon blue poly barrels for water storage from our feed store and filled them up and stuck them in the garage so they don't freeze. They could be used for drinking water, firefighting, stock water, garden................pretty handy.

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traelin0
Message #1793 - 12/03/10 03:53 AM

Especially where I live LOL. Speaking of water storage, I bought a few of those 50 gallon blue poly barrels for water storage from our feed store and filled them up and stuck them in the garage so they don't freeze. They could be used for drinking water, firefighting, stock water, garden................pretty handy.

I've run out of room.  My car is already in the driveway, LOL.  We replaced and added to my stockpiles of tools, durables, etc., and ran into the inevitability of space issues.

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AKA sanityjones
Message #1794 - 12/03/10 03:56 AM

I've run out of room.

I added on this year. I figured with the economy and housing market the way they are I might as well dig in for the next ten years.

[Virgil Showlion]

traelin0
Message #1795 - 12/03/10 03:58 AM

I added on this year. I figured with the economy and housing market the way they are I might as well dig in for the next ten years.

LOL!  Ahh, the benefits of actually KNOWING a state before you move there...  If I had to do it all over again, I would have been about 6 miles further NE.  No matter, I figure in 2-3 years I'll be able to pay off the note and buy some farmland on the cheap.

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Stay Put
Message #1796 - 12/03/10 04:00 AM

OK, in all seriousness and no joking Stay Put, do you think there's the possibility of economic collapse after QE2 runs out in the middle of next year? 

With all of your tax dollar rabbits being pulled out of their hat, I will not even begin to predict the time frame again.  I will say this, however.  The debt comes due this spring, and I am going to be paying vey close attention to what magic act they pull, or try to pull, at that time.

As bad as they have made it, and as horrible as our future will look, I think one good thing has actually come out of it.  This delaying the inevitable has given everyone time to get out from under personal debt, and to get ourselves as prepared as humanly possible.  Anyone who has not utilized these past two years, and whatever time is left, have only themselves to blame when the crash does hit full force.

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traelin0
Message #1797 - 12/03/10 04:02 AM

As bad as they have made it, and as horrible as our future will look, I think one good thing has actually come out of it.  This delaying the inevitable has given everyone time to get out from under personal debt, and to get ourselves as prepared as humanly possible.  Anyone who has not utilized these past two years, and whatever time is left, have only themselves to blame when the crash does hit full force.

We are in agreement on all accounts.  Bernanke has given those paying attention a Golden gift for 3 years now.  For those who've been merrily going along as if paper could never burn in America, well...let's just say there are winners and losers in life, and natural selection may make a comeback.  But yeah, I have hinted in the past that the royal screwups on the part of the govt. and its FED handmaiden are self-evident catastrophes that have bought me precious time.

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safeharbor37
Message #1798 - 12/03/10 04:04 AM



Trae,

   I'm not sure exactly where you live but in a rural setting near you a lot of old timers will have "storm cellars" which make great storage for just about everything. The typical way they're built is cut into a hillside or grade, poured of [reinforced] concrete and then covered with dirt on which grass, etc. is allowed to grow. Cheap to build and, in your area, freeze proof. If you're in town you may have zoning regulations, etc. but in the country, typically folks aren't too nosy about what you build. Storm cellars are typically used to preserve food from fall crops through the winter [and of course, a shelter from tornados or whatever].

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traelin0
Message #1799 - 12/03/10 04:05 AM

   I'm not sure exactly where you live but in a rural setting near you a lot of old timers will have "storm cellars" which make great storage for just about everything. The typical way they're built is cut into a hillside or grade, poured of concrete and then covered with dirt on which grass, etc. is allowed to grow. Cheap to build and, in your area, freeze proof. If you're in town you may have zoning regulations, etc. but in the country, typically folks aren't too nosy about what you build. Storm cellars are typically used to preserve food from fall crops through the winter [and of course, a shelter from tornados or whatever].

We're in the county, and yep, we have been thinking about a root cellar like my grandma had.  And the last tornado warning scared my wife.  The farmer across the road has been a volume of knowledge and advice.

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AKA sanityjones
Message #1800 - 12/03/10 04:09 AM

I do not see the "crash" as having a sudden and defining starting point..........we are already experiencing the crash. The American economy is a  gigantic monster and could conceivably churn on for the next ten years as social, economic, and political tensions increase to the point of anarchy. I haven't made my mind up as to what it will look like, I simply know that we are already experiencing the event and nothing would surprise me at this point................

[Virgil Showlion]

traelin0
Message #1801 - 12/03/10 04:12 AM

I do not see the "crash" as having a sudden and defining starting point..........we are already experiencing the crash. The American economy is a  gigantic monster and could conceivably churn on for the next ten years as social, economic, and political tensions increase to the point of anarchy. I haven't made my mind up as to what it will look like, I simply know that we are already experiencing the event and nothing would surprise me at this point................

2014 has a big circle on my calendar as the absolute latest for S to HTF.  I think it will be gradual up until that point, but the laws of nature (and economics) point to a parabolic blowoff.  Armstrong wrote recently that 2015.75 is his tipping point where China experiences its "Great Depression" and emergence as the sole superpower, with Hong Kong as the financial capital of the world.  Since I don't live in China, I look for hyperinflation before then in America, with its effects more limited overseas.

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Stay Put
Message #1802 - 12/03/10 04:13 AM

If you are living in tornado alley, you might want to think about a root cellar filled with a battery bank, and several wind mills that you can build yourself.  In so doing, you might very well lose the house, but at least you have generated and stored enough power to build a new one.

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traelin0
Message #1803 - 12/03/10 04:17 AM

If you are living in tornado alley, you might want to think about a root cellar filled with a battery bank, and several wind mills that you can build yourself.  In so doing, you might very well lose the house, but at least you have generated and stored enough power to build a new one.

Root cellars are great to have, and for so many reasons.  Now that I have secured the most important assets, I can focus in a more rational, gradualist manner on the next steps.

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AKA sanityjones
Message #1804 - 12/03/10 04:20 AM

Inflation will be here eventually, whether it will escalate to the historic levels of other less fortunate countries remains to be seen. For all practical purposes our standard of living has already been inflated away anyhow....it's just going to take a few more years for the masses to FEEL it. Dying nations do strange things........to their own people especially. Starving people do strange things.........to each other especially. Starving people IN dying nations.......................................

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Stay Put
Message #1805 - 12/03/10 04:27 AM

Starving people IN dying nations.......................................

Well don't leave us in suspense.

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traelin0
Message #1806 - 12/03/10 04:28 AM

Inflation will be here eventually, whether it will escalate to the historic levels of other less fortunate countries remains to be seen. For all practical purposes our standard of living has already been inflated away anyhow....it's just going to take a few more years for the masses to FEEL it. Dying nations do strange things........to their own people especially. Starving people do strange things.........to each other especially. Starving people IN dying nations.......................................

There are two things of interest to me.  One, the fact that our govt. as it has currently existed for 100 years is nearing its end -- but neither the govt. nor the people actually see it for what it is.  We are well past the tipping point of 3% of the populace in active revolutionary state of mind.  And history demonstrates that 3% of a populace in active revolution is the tipping point.  We are probably at 10% and that's a conservative estimate.

Two, when the inevitable atrophy of empires reaches that tipping point, the empire becomes very draconian and turns on its host, the people.  Look around.  It has only begun, from TSA to numerous ram-through legislation over the past year or so.  It is blatantly fascist but if one ties that very word to it (in other words, call a spade a spade), one is deemed a crackpot.  We are taking the same path of many past tyrannical nation-states, but with more exotic technology.

The system is dying and that's a great thing for liberty, but the empire won't dissolve without taking some of its own subjects with it.  IMHO the most affected will be urbanites and our military stationed overseas.

[Virgil Showlion]

AKA sanityjones
Message #1807 - 12/03/10 04:33 AM

"A fiat-money inflation can be carried on only as long as the masses do not become aware of the fact that the government is committed to such a policy." - Ludwig von Mises

Well don't leave us in suspense.

I'm just waiting for the drum-roll.

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AKA sanityjones
Message #1808 - 12/03/10 04:37 AM

when the inevitable atrophy of empires reaches that tipping point, the empire becomes very draconian and turns on its host, the people.  Look around.  It has only begun, from TSA to numerous ram-through legislation over the past year or so.  It is blatantly fascist but if you tie that very word to it (in other words, call a spade a spade), you are deemed a crackpot.  We are taking the same path of many past tyrannical nation-states.

Precisely, which is why I believe we are in the midst of something profoundly horrible, the likes of which the word has never known. It has already begun. That being said, I expect all stops to be pulled out in order to perpetuate the fraud which could drag the inevitable out for quite some time although many things could affect the time-line such as nuclear holocaust, a banking system hail Mary, revolution, etc.

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traelin0
Message #1809 - 12/03/10 04:40 AM

Precisely, which is why I believe we are in the midst of something profoundly horrible, the likes of which the word has never known. It has already begun.

Profoundly horrible, yes, but created by the electorate.  And I do believe that it has a very high potential for being profoundly liberating for *some* of the states in the nation.  In fact, I'd say that if one is appropriately geolocated, it could be *very* liberating.

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AKA sanityjones
Message #1810 - 12/03/10 04:43 AM

In fact, I'd say that if one is appropriately geolocated, it could be very liberating.

I already liberated myself mentally I just need to get the rest of my perceived necessities in order LOL

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traelin0
Message #1811 - 12/03/10 04:46 AM

I already liberated myself mentally I just need to get the rest of my perceived necessities in order LOL

Let me rephrase...profoundly liberating for states who re-embrace the Constitution, which they will absolutely do when SHTF.

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AKA sanityjones
Message #1812 - 12/03/10 04:54 AM

Here's a little bedtime story.

[] The Madness Of A Lost Society  

[Virgil Showlion]

ReformedDayTrade
Message #1813 - 12/03/10 01:28 PM

What about the possibility of the so called Coup D'Etat by disenchanted Military Officers as suggested by some lately on this "Doom & Gloom" Thread that just keeps giving and giving.   Would a Coup become a reality if "Don't Ask Don't Tell " is repealed by the courts or by Obama?? 

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traelin0
Message #1814 - 12/03/10 04:14 PM

What about the possibility of the so called Coup D'Etat by disenchanted Military Officers as suggested by some lately on this "Doom & Gloom" Thread that just keeps giving and giving.   Would a Coup become a reality if "Don't Ask Don't Tell " is repealed by the courts or by Obama?? 

YvanG, is it going to be the repeal of DADT that sends the disenfranchised over the edge???

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safeharbor37
Message #1815 - 12/03/10 04:15 PM

  The economy [world, national, local] is like the weather. If you don't like it, just hang around a while, it'll change. Unfortunately the same is true if you do like it. Anyway, it helps to have a good root cellar.

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1816 - 12/03/10 04:17 PM



Traelino.............What if.........." Don't Ask Don't Tell "is NOT repealed that may cause the gays in the military to have their own Coup D'Etat.....

 

And you & Safe are both  students of American History so  who said "Economic Stats are NOT a true measure of American Life"........here's a hint he lived in Virginia and came from a famous political family from MA..

 

 

You can use google or wiki and I will not deduct from your final grade in this short quiz....

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safeharbor37
Message #1817 - 12/03/10 04:23 PM

  What about a "Gay Corps." That way they could demonstrate their competency without common showers with the "heteros." Come to think about it, the same could be done with the women, etc. Nah. Social engineering is easier.

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traelin0
Message #1818 - 12/03/10 04:34 PM

  What about a "Gay Corps." That way they could demonstrate their competency without common showers with the "heteros." Come to think about it, the same could be done with the women, etc. Nah. Social engineering is easier.

If the light in the loafers crowd get to shower with hetero dudes, I don't see why we heteros can't shower with the women.  If the women don't ask me if I'm aroused, I promise I won't tell.

[Virgil Showlion]

traelin0
Message #1819 - 12/03/10 04:35 PM

And you & Safe are both  students of American History so  who said "Economic Stats are NOT a true measure of American Life"........here's a hint he lived in Virginia and came from a famous political family from MA..

I have no idea, tell me.

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1820 - 12/03/10 04:36 PM

I am tired of hearing about DADT...let the gays who are discharged find jobs elsewhere in the private sector, security jobs, or with other armies who will protect them from heterosexual soldiers...i.e. Canada...

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ReformedDayTrade
Message #1821 - 12/03/10 04:40 PM

I have no idea, tell me.

            Robert F. Kennedy...42 years ago..  "Are economic statistics a true measure of American Life?  No they are not.  Our gross national product, if we should judge America by that counts the air pollution and special locks for our doors and the jails for those who break them"  

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traelin0
Message #1822 - 12/03/10 04:41 PM

 Robert F. Kennedy...42 years ago..

I really should have known that, considering my opinion of his brother.  BTW, do you know where he attended school?  Both he and his brother had a very high opinion of the founder of that school...

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fiscana
Message #1823 - 12/03/10 04:43 PM

I can't understand the thinking in some of our military ads. One of them has this miniscule arab looking woman in full combat gear doing a house sweep in some mock war scene. How fast would she be mowed down in the real world? Getting all warm and pc friendly in combat scenarios is insane even if it is just an advertisement. It just sends the wrong signal.