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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 14:11:58 GMT -5
what is "airtime chunky"?
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Post by swamp on Jul 18, 2013 14:12:31 GMT -5
what is "airtime chunky"? an autocorrectism. I think it's borderline.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 18, 2013 14:14:22 GMT -5
I'd send Gwen to cheerleading too. Little Miss Bitch doesn't get to decide who is acceptable and who is not. The best way to show her what for is to keep going. Don't let her drive you off the team. Especially if she only has a week or so left to go before the end of the program. Don't let one Queen Bee drive you off that close to the end.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 18, 2013 14:15:19 GMT -5
Completely agree. (Yes the world is ending, I'm agreeing with Miss T). No. Every time she talks about her daughter and how "Thank god she isn't like that now" it makes me sad. Lol...why do people always say that when they agree with me ??
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 18, 2013 14:17:26 GMT -5
Says she must have had some thyroid problem. There's the age old excuse. wow. this is actually a valid medical condition, and she probably should have been tested for it. you seem to think she snuck food when you weren't looking, but she may have actually had the condition. my mom has this condition, and without meds she cannot eat more than about 600 cal/day if she doesn't want to put on weight. she took meds until she started having kids, and opted to not "have to take a pill every day for the rest of her life" when she was done having kids so she put a bunch of weight back on while she worked her appetite back down to that tiny daily allotment. my sis and I have majorly bad relationships with food because of how unhealthy mom's attitude was. I'm with whoever said they were surprised your daughter has a relationship with you at all. this is just another reason to add to the list.
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Post by swamp on Jul 18, 2013 14:19:05 GMT -5
Yes, I guess that pill I take every morning for an underactive thyroid is unnecessary. It's all in my head. Or ass. Whatever.
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Post by Formerly SK on Jul 18, 2013 14:19:22 GMT -5
I have the opposite problem. Both my kids are underweight. DS is in the 5th percentile. DD is 7yo and weighs 38lbs (well below the chart). They don't seem to have the hunger gene. DD will eat 1/2 cup of blueberries for breakfast and is fine until lunch....when she eats 1/2 a sandwich. Then no snack, and very small dinner. I try to sneak and add fat to her diet whenever I can. That said, we NEVER mention our kids' sizes. Never. We do talk a lot about needing protein to build muscles, or vegetables/fruits to grow our brains, but never ever anything about their sizes. I also never ever talk about my body in terms of aesthetics. I still worry, though, about my habit of always encouraging them to eat more or finish their plate. While they don't have a hunger gene now, they may have one as an adult and it would be ironic if all my food forcing during childhood resulted in them being overweight as adults. One book a feeding therapist recommended to me might be helpful for those of you with chunky kids. I got it to help end the food fights (me begging them to eat at every meal) but it mostly deals with kids who overeat: www.amazon.com/How-Get-Your-Kid-Eat/dp/0915950839/ref=sr_1_18?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1374174740&sr=1-18&keywords=kid+eating
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 18, 2013 14:21:24 GMT -5
Mostly over what clothes you wear. Which I totally don't understand since all the girls at DS' school wear leggings, Ugg boots and t-shirts every day. It's like a uniform
If they don't like you they'll always find something. Maybe it's not the right brand leggings (do they have brands?), they aren't wearing real Uggs etc etc. You could copy their look from head to toe and they'll still find something to bully you about.
BTDT got the T-shirt in middle school. That's when I realized it doesn't do any good to jump thru all their hoops if you aren't part of the in-crowd you aren't part of the in crowd. I stopped caring and found new friends.
Middle school was hell. Very Lord of the Flies. High school was much better, it was bigger and I could blend in/disappear better. Also a lot more opportunities to find a place I fit in than in MS. I ended in in theatre.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 18, 2013 14:23:42 GMT -5
<STRONG>Yes, I guess that pill I take every morning for an underactive thyroid is unnecessary. It's all in my head. Or ass. Whatever.<BR><BR></STRONG>Put down the coffee and enroll in FitQueen's exercise program, stat. <IMG alt=" " src="http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png" width=18 height=18 text=" ">
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jul 18, 2013 14:25:13 GMT -5
Completely agree. (Yes the world is ending, I'm agreeing with Miss T). No. Every time she talks about her daughter and how "Thank god she isn't like that now" it makes me sad. Lol...why do people always say that when they agree with me ?? LOL. It is a rare occasion. Maybe we should be celebrating it instead.
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Post by swamp on Jul 18, 2013 14:25:23 GMT -5
From the reviews: "Well, they could have just written one sentence instead of that whole book. Here's the breakdown: "Present your kids healthy food, keep healthy food options in the home and let your kids decide how much they eat"."
I'm not sure it would help in my situation............
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Post by swamp on Jul 18, 2013 14:26:25 GMT -5
Yes, I guess that pill I take every morning for an underactive thyroid is unnecessary. It's all in my head. Or ass. Whatever.
Put down the coffee and enroll in FitQueen's exercise program, stat. <img src="> IF it involves punching people, I'm in. Other than that, I'll stick with zumba.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 14:26:31 GMT -5
It's not going to take a one-time fix, either. I think you're doing the best you can in this situation, swamp. Keep up the good work!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 18, 2013 14:30:50 GMT -5
IF it involves punching people, I'm in.
Maybe you get to punch other participants while you tell them they are ugly and nobody will ever love them.
She never explained exactly what she did in her classes. But based on her posts I could picture the above.
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Post by swamp on Jul 18, 2013 14:33:39 GMT -5
I imagined some bleach blond in an Olivia Newton John aerobics outfit yelling "Move it, you fat pig" to some poor sweaty fat schmuck on a treadmill.
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Post by greeniis10 on Jul 18, 2013 14:33:56 GMT -5
Well, trying to keep up with six pages, but the suggestion on page 1 for Swamp's DD to respond "So?" straight-faced, with zero emotion, and walk away (per Bill Cosby) I think is simple and age-appropriate. I'm terribly sorry your DD was hurt by the comment, though, and I know you and her father can make her see she is NOT what some other child says she is. And, again, this is another "everyone has their own experience" type of thing. I'm not going to say Zib was right or wrong by how she handled her daughter because I don't know. I DO know that I was normal weight all of my childhood. Hit my full height of 5'1" in middle school. For some reason during my Freshman and Sophomore years of high school I unknowingly put on about 25lbs.! It was the transition from "active middle schooler" to "just want to hang out and talk on the phone high schooler" so my activity level dropped and obviously I ate more. I was then in a car accident and was in the hospital on a feeding tube for 9 days. Needless to say I dropped those 25 lbs. and more due to major surgery and hobbling around on a walker for 6 weeks. I had NO idea I had gained that weight until people started commenting about how much better I looked! For one, I was outraged that people (adults) would tell me that while I'm ill and recovering from a traumatic experience, but I was also upset NO ONE told me before then! I mean, Mom, hello I just thought she should have said something, but, she's been very overweight my whole life so I don't think she even knew what do to. Of course, I don't blame her - it was my fault. Just sharing a story.
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Post by midjd on Jul 18, 2013 14:41:14 GMT -5
DH was a fat kid. He says that if his parents had said anything it would've made it worse, since "it wasn't like I didn't already know I was fat."
Maybe it's different for girls?
I had an eating disorder for almost a decade, stemming from comments my dad would make not TO me, but in my presence, like "she doesn't need ice cream" or "you should really stop buying her mac and cheese." So my instinct would be to keep my mouth shut, but I don't know that it's necessarily the correct thing to do in every case.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 18, 2013 14:47:13 GMT -5
MIL calling DH fat all the time has certainly done nothing to make him lose the weight. I got really outraged at how she put him down in front of SIL the last time we were all together. And threw in comments about him being bald and having no teeth for good measure. DH told me quietly to ignore it he is used to it. How sad is that? No parent should talk to their kid or about their kid the way MIL does. DH is overweight but MIL is mean about it. DH and I are able to discuss it without me humilating him and I sure as hell never bring it up in front of others. She's starting on Gwen and Gwen is only in the 10th percentile for weight. She takes after me. I told DH that if this shit continues I will say something, I don't care how much "drama" it starts with his mom. She isn't going to do that to my kid. I've seen what it did to DH and his self esteem. He's responsible for the avenues he took to deal with his inner demons but I don't have to look very far to see the source of a lot of it.
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Post by shanendoah on Jul 18, 2013 14:51:25 GMT -5
DD is totally going to end up a cheerleader. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it. She's also likely to be one of the "in crowd", so we'll have to focus on being nice to everyone, etc. I understand the idea of teaching your kids to ignore what other people say, but at the same time, I don't want to teach them to ignore their own feelings. That's actually an issue in our house- trying to ignore feelings and we're working very hard with DD to make sure she feels comfortable and safe sharing her feelings. I would want her to actually not care what the other person said, not pretend to not care, and I don't think the way you get there is to tell the kid not to care but instead to build up self esteem and confidence. Like swamp, I would have made DD go back to cheer camp today. It's almost over, and one kid shouldn't be allowed to ruin it for my kid. I maybe would have tried to contact a camp administrator about the problem, but I don't know that you can call one instance of being called fat bullying. Maybe I would have tried to find out if this same kid (or a group of kids) had been being mean to her in other ways. As for how to teach a 5 year old how to deal with that, I don't know. I think I might take the tactic of saying - some people are just mean, and that's sad, but you don't have to put up with people being mean to you, so don't hang around this girl, walk away, and yes, if she keeps saying mean things, tell one of the coaches.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jul 18, 2013 14:51:42 GMT -5
Completely agree. (Yes the world is ending, I'm agreeing with Miss T). No. Every time she talks about her daughter and how "Thank god she isn't like that now" it makes me sad. Lol...why do people always say that when they agree with me ?? Because you're usually wrong! :-P
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Post by greeniis10 on Jul 18, 2013 14:53:09 GMT -5
Also, to add my (late) comments re: cheerleading:
1. Milee, what would you do if one of your sons wanted to be a cheerleader? We have male cheerleaders at all the high schools here. I'm not being snarky or mean - I find your posts interesting and I'm interested in how you would handle that.
2. Cheerleading teams are not much different than football teams: the boys are praised and rewarded for their size (muscle, height, etc.), they are given special privileges, particularly if the team is winning, they are treated like they are so special and talk about a "clique"! Not to mention the hazing and rituals they put team members through. I don't know if I'm explaining it clearly, but from what I've seen the boys aren't treated any differently. They all have to be good-looking, wear the "right" clothes, have certain reputations, etc. And, I'm not knocking either sport. I raised both boys and girls.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 18, 2013 14:58:09 GMT -5
Says she must have had some thyroid problem. There's the age old excuse. wow. this is actually a valid medical condition, and she probably should have been tested for it. you seem to think she snuck food when you weren't looking, but she may have actually had the condition. my mom has this condition, and without meds she cannot eat more than about 600 cal/day if she doesn't want to put on weight. she took meds until she started having kids, and opted to not "have to take a pill every day for the rest of her life" when she was done having kids so she put a bunch of weight back on while she worked her appetite back down to that tiny daily allotment. my sis and I have majorly bad relationships with food because of how unhealthy mom's attitude was. I'm with whoever said they were surprised your daughter has a relationship with you at all. this is just another reason to add to the list. Any particular reason you left out the sentance before and after that Zib said? Here it is below for everyone. IMO to deliberately remove the parts of a quote so you can make someone look bad is a personal attack.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 18, 2013 14:59:42 GMT -5
wow. this is actually a valid medical condition, and she probably should have been tested for it. you seem to think she snuck food when you weren't looking, but she may have actually had the condition. my mom has this condition, and without meds she cannot eat more than about 600 cal/day if she doesn't want to put on weight. she took meds until she started having kids, and opted to not "have to take a pill every day for the rest of her life" when she was done having kids so she put a bunch of weight back on while she worked her appetite back down to that tiny daily allotment. my sis and I have majorly bad relationships with food because of how unhealthy mom's attitude was. I'm with whoever said they were surprised your daughter has a relationship with you at all. this is just another reason to add to the list. Any particular reason you left out the sentance before and after that Zib said? Here it is below for everyone. IMO to deliberately remove the parts of a quote so you can make someone look bad is a personal attack. to highlight what I was answering. zib doesn't have a good thing to say about her daughter anyway, was the more positive quoting going to help anyone's opinion of her?
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 18, 2013 15:04:42 GMT -5
maybe not but to take out the part about how she did have a Dr and Nutritionist see her, and that she did have a dr test her when you say the child should have been tested is wrong. Clearly she was saying she had been tested so tha't why she knew her daughter didn't have a thyroide problem. To take those part out just makes your post seem like an attack. And this is coming from someone who can't actually remember something I have agreed with Zib about.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 18, 2013 15:09:42 GMT -5
maybe not but to take out the part about how she did have a Dr and Nutritionist see her, and that she did have a dr test her when you say the child should have been tested is wrong. Clearly she was saying she had been tested so tha't why she knew her daughter didn't have a thyroide problem. To take those part out just makes your post seem like an attack. And this is coming from someone who can't actually remember something I have agreed with Zib about. that post doesn't say she was ever tested, just that she saw a dr (doesn't say what type) and a nutritionist. I went back and re-read the whole thing. maybe an oversight on her part, but it's what I picked up on and questioned. my mom wasn't tested until HS, after she'd already whittled her daily intake down to what little she could eat w/o gaining weight. zib's daughter was already in WW by that point, per her other posts.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 18, 2013 15:11:39 GMT -5
Because it is reality? Would it be kinder to just sit back and let your kid be blindsided?
Zib also said she took her daughter to the doctor over this, and a nutritionist before she took her to weight watchers. Since weight gain is a textbook symptom of low thyroid, it seems pretty reasonable to assume that the child was tested.
And since Zib's kid is an adult now and perfectly capable of getting her low thyroid treated, So can you really blame Zib for calling BS if her daughter is still making this claim?
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 18, 2013 15:31:45 GMT -5
maybe not but to take out the part about how she did have a Dr and Nutritionist see her, and that she did have a dr test her when you say the child should have been tested is wrong. Clearly she was saying she had been tested so tha't why she knew her daughter didn't have a thyroide problem. To take those part out just makes your post seem like an attack. And this is coming from someone who can't actually remember something I have agreed with Zib about. that post doesn't say she was ever tested, just that she saw a dr (doesn't say what type) and a nutritionist. I went back and re-read the whole thing. maybe an oversight on her part, but it's what I picked up on and questioned. You didn't question. You made a spectacularly ignorant assumption that somoene who is now a full grown adult (and can go to any doctor she wants), who has struggled with her weights since she was a kid, and who has been taken to doctors for her weight since she was a kid, has never been tested for low thyroid. This is despite the fact that weight gain is a textbook sign of low thyroid and therefore something that any competent doctor would look into. Seriously, why the hell would anybody go to the trouble of dragging a sullen teenager to a weight watchers meeting every week for a problem that could be cured with lab test and a pill?
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Post by imawino on Jul 18, 2013 15:47:33 GMT -5
that post doesn't say she was ever tested, just that she saw a dr (doesn't say what type) and a nutritionist. I went back and re-read the whole thing. maybe an oversight on her part, but it's what I picked up on and questioned. You didn't question. You made a spectacularly ignorant assumption that somoene who is now a full grown adult (and can go to any doctor she wants), who has struggled with her weights since she was a kid, and who has been taken to doctors for her weight since she was a kid, has never been tested for low thyroid. This is despite the fact that weight gain is a textbook sign of low thyroid and therefore something that any competent doctor would look into. Seriously, why the hell would anybody go to the trouble of dragging a sullen teenager to a weight watchers meeting every week for a problem that could be cured with lab test and a pill? I think "spectacularly ignorant" is a little over the top, no? I've seen a doctor countless times, and had routine bloodwork done, but never had my thyroid tested. And I don't know how prevalent (or covered by insurance) those tests would have been 20+ years go. But for those who want to defend Zib's constant seething animosity towards her daughter for whatever reason, go right ahead. If my mother had ever thought to write on a message board about how she made me feel humiliated I would be devastated.
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Post by imawino on Jul 18, 2013 15:49:12 GMT -5
High school is too late. You have so little control. I always say check with doctor first but if they want to be fat, they will find a way. After DD lost her weight, she left WW and put it right back on. By that time I just washed my hands of her and she finally a few years later decided she had had enough of being fat and she lost it on her own. Thank heavens I wasn't a fat kid, or I guess my mom would have had every reason to "wash her hands of me"?
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