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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 14, 2013 15:10:29 GMT -5
So what are hermaphrodites supposed to use? I know they are rare but seriously - what are they supposed to do? Hold it? And how would anybody know what somebody is without checking? People look so different these days and some I can't tell at all whether they are male or female. I think "don't ask don't tell" works for me. In this case the women work with this person so they know he was a man who now identifies as a woman. I got that but I was referring to the "People with penises use the men's bathroom and people with Vaginas use the women's bathroom" part.
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Post by Bob Ross on Jun 14, 2013 15:15:09 GMT -5
In this case the women work with this person so they know he was a man who now identifies as a woman. I got that but I was referring to the "People with penises use the men's bathroom and people with Vagina's use the women's bathroom" part. But what if you have a mangina? (Sheila's BIL would be a good example of this)
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 14, 2013 15:17:37 GMT -5
I got that but I was referring to the "People with penises use the men's bathroom and people with Vagina's use the women's bathroom" part. But what if you have a mangina? (Sheila's BIL would be a good example of this) I was googling the correct spelling for hermaphrodite and got some interesting pictures. Manginas exist too! I can PM the picture to you if you'd like.
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Post by midjd on Jun 14, 2013 15:17:45 GMT -5
I can see it now, genetic screening before you can be let into the bathroom. If you have a Y chromosome you go in this line. . two Xs you go in another. I've never had a genetic screening, I hope I've been using the right restroom all this time! I had to look it up but apparently AIS (which I think is the same as hermaphrodism) occurs in 1 in 20,000 births, so more common than I would've assumed. Since there are 300 million or so people in the US, that would mean there are at least 15,000 hermaphrodites. They have XY chromosomes but female genitals (and undescended testes!) so I'm not sure which restroom they should be using. From the article I read, it seems that most identify as/appear female, so I suppose using the women's restroom would be OK even though they're technically XY. Then again, I'm sure whichever restroom they use will piss someone off (tee hee) so they should probably just hold it til they get home.
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Post by sheilaincali on Jun 14, 2013 15:22:36 GMT -5
Bob- I agree my brother is weird for a great many reasons. The sitting down to pee thing is an issue you can blame on his mom as she didn't want to have to clean up little boy pee messes when he and his brother were kids.
Other reasons my BIL is weird: He only drinks Mt Dew. Like only- no water, no milk only Mt Dew and only in a can because it tastes different if you drink it out of a plastic 20 ounce bottle. He doesn't eat vegetables He doesn't like his food to touch on his plate and if it does he will throw it out and get a new plate of food. My sister typically gives him dinner on a divided cafeteria type tray He eats only one food at a time. All of his turkey, then all of the potatoes (only veggie he will eat), then all of the stuffing.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 14, 2013 15:32:09 GMT -5
In this case the women work with this person so they know he was a man who now identifies as a woman. I got that but I was referring to the "People with penises use the men's bathroom and people with Vaginas use the women's bathroom" part. LOL...that's what I get for jumping in and trying to answer for someone else :=p
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Post by kittensaver on Jun 14, 2013 15:38:16 GMT -5
The answer to this problem is simple. Just add a transgendered bathroom to every single building that has men and women's bathrooms. Think of the jobs created. It will singlehandedly save the economy. Actually, this is not a bad idea at all. Financially it may not be practical for many businesses, but it certainly solves a lot. Every building my agency owns or operates has at least one single-use, unisex bathroom.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jun 14, 2013 15:59:38 GMT -5
I can see it now, genetic screening before you can be let into the bathroom. If you have a Y chromosome you go in this line. . two Xs you go in another. I've never had a genetic screening, I hope I've been using the right restroom all this time! I had to look it up but apparently AIS (which I think is the same as hermaphrodism) occurs in 1 in 20,000 births, so more common than I would've assumed. Since there are 300 million or so people in the US, that would mean there are at least 15,000 hermaphrodites. They have XY chromosomes but female genitals (and undescended testes!) so I'm not sure which restroom they should be using. From the article I read, it seems that most identify as/appear female, so I suppose using the women's restroom would be OK even though they're technically XY. Then again, I'm sure whichever restroom they use will piss someone off (tee hee) so they should probably just hold it til they get home. Excellent post mid! I don't have the energy to look for links right now, but I saw something that estimated that chromosomal issues are the root of a high percentage of trans people. The tests are ridiculously expensive and not covered by insurance and the treatments are the same either way so few people are tested.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 16:53:28 GMT -5
I didn't read all of the posts, so sorry if I missed it, but it sounded like the person was still dressing like a man? If thats the case, I think the person should be using the men's room. If the person is dressing as a female, then they should use the ladies room. We actually had a transgender at work several years back and she used the ladies room (you'd see the feet facing the toilet every once in a while) and no one (to the best of my knowledge) had an issue with it. She was just Sarah. I think most of us knew that she was actually a man, I believe she was in the process of changing, but no one really seemed to think about it a whole lot. It might be different if she had worked there as a man first and then changed over, but she came to us as a woman and so that was just something that was generally accepted. Of course, there could have been complaints that I just didn't hear about, but who knows.
I don't have a problem with it...we are all in stalls....so it doesn't really make a difference to me how the pee gets in the toilet.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Jun 15, 2013 21:50:34 GMT -5
Sorry, but I would not want a man in the ladies' room at work. I would go to another bathroom further away if some guy turning into a transgenered person was using the women's room down the hall from my work station. First of all, I am all for anyone being, or becoming, whom they feel they should be. If they are gay, lesbian, or going through the treatments to change sexes, I am supportive and hopeful for their futures. I have hired gay people, been friends with gay people, and have some in my family. As far as transgendered people, I have helped the when I worked at S.S. many years ago with name changes.
However, not every person who is "transgendered" is going to go all of the way, as in getting the surgery to have male genitalia removed, and some men who are going through the process are still somewhat heteorsexual in their interests, in some cases. Therefore, I would not feel comfortable with htem in the women's restroom.
Not wanting to void wastes near someone going through the process is not a slam at their situations. It's not really a political statement. I don't want bathrooms to be unisex whatsoever. Are you kidding me ? Look-see and spy cams away. Yuck ! There are plenty of creeps out there. Get real.
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Post by deantrip on Jun 15, 2013 22:04:58 GMT -5
They could go with single person bathrooms that anybody can use one at a time, easiest solution.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 15, 2013 22:44:05 GMT -5
So we're going to do genital checks to make sure people are in the right bathroom. Got it. LOL! No kidding! I don't think I've ever gone into a restroom at work and checked out the shoes in the stalls. I've never checked to see if there was a gap wide enough for me to peek through. For all I know there could have been a man in the next stall any number of times and I'd never have known it. I'm in there to see to my business, not someone else's.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Jun 16, 2013 7:51:30 GMT -5
Bob- I agree my brother is weird for a great many reasons. The sitting down to pee thing is an issue you can blame on his mom as she didn't want to have to clean up little boy pee messes when he and his brother were kids. Other reasons my BIL is weird: He only drinks Mt Dew. Like only- no water, no milk only Mt Dew and only in a can because it tastes different if you drink it out of a plastic 20 ounce bottle. He doesn't eat vegetables He doesn't like his food to touch on his plate and if it does he will throw it out and get a new plate of food. My sister typically gives him dinner on a divided cafeteria type tray He eats only one food at a time. All of his turkey, then all of the potatoes (only veggie he will eat), then all of the stuffing. My friend at work that I have lunch with all of the time has some of these characteristics. He doesn't like one food to touch another on his plate, and if the chef puts anything on his hamburger besides cheese ( if he orders that ), he refuses to eat it. Even if it was only lettuce and tomato, they have to cook him another one. Luckily, I'm just friends with him, and am glad that I don't have to live with him. He's extremely particular in other ways, too, but fun to talk with.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 24, 2013 21:02:20 GMT -5
While not the workplace, it's apparently a first for schools. Some may recognize the kid in the picture. Transgender first-grader wins the right to use girls' restroom(CNN) -- A transgender first-grader who was born a boy but identifies as a girl has won the right to use the girls' restroom at her Colorado school. The Colorado Rights Division ruled in favor of Coy Mathis in her fight against the Fountain-Fort Carson School District. Coy's parents had taken her case to the commission after the district said she could no longer use the girls' bathroom at Eagleside Elementary. In issuing its decision, the state's rights division said keeping the ban in place "creates an environment that is objectively and subjectively hostile, intimidating or offensive." The Transgender Legal Defense & Education Fund praised the ruling that was filled under Colorado's Anti-Discrimination Act. Michael Silverman, the group's executive director, called the ruling "a high-water mark for transgender rights." This is the first of it's kind ruling in the country regarding the rights of transgender students. No court, no tribunal has ever said what the Colorado Division of Civil Rights has said today which is that trangendered students must be treated equally. They specifically referenced the outmoded concept of separate but equal and told us that separate but equal is very rarely equal and it is certainly not equal in Coy's case. www.cnn.com/2013/06/24/us/colorado-transgender-girl-school/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2013 21:27:33 GMT -5
I thought about this thread when I read that article.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jun 24, 2013 23:36:04 GMT -5
I actually surprised myself when I realized that I wouldn't care. Now, my DH, on another hand, would care VERY much if I was sharing a bathroom with a man. However!!! I don't agree that one person saying he is uncomfortable should trump other people's uncomfortableness. How is that equality
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Post by 973beachbum on Jun 25, 2013 7:51:47 GMT -5
I actually surprised myself when I realized that I wouldn't care. Now, my DH, on another hand, would care VERY much if I was sharing a bathroom with a man. However!!! I don't agree that one person saying he is uncomfortable should trump other people's uncomfortableness. How is that equality I was thinking the same thing. How are a bunch of six year old girls supposed to magically get over the person with a penis in the girls bathroom? And my kids schools are all older. they aren't some super nice brand new building. I think they are lucky if the bathrooms have doors let alone ones that lock. Did anyone read the article and get very confused as to why the parents decided that their six month old was transgendered? My kids did lots of things that might traditionally be considered the other genders norm and it never occured to me to decide that meant they needed a sex change.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jun 25, 2013 8:50:58 GMT -5
I don't care. I remember the first time i used a unisex bathroom in rome... it was odd to walk out of the stall and see a guy the first time. but after that, i simply didn't care. as long as there are stalls and no urinals, i'm fine with sharing a RR with both genders.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 9:06:20 GMT -5
I don't think 6 year old girls would get up in arms about her being in "their" bathroom without some parental influence, since Coy has been a girl since they met. (ETA: My comment is made without watching the CNN piece, since I have no speakers on my work computer) I wouldn't have a problem with unisex bathrooms or transgender people using the ladies room, ulterior motives or not. I am not in the stall long enough for anyone to get much of an eyefull of anything anyway.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jun 25, 2013 9:20:58 GMT -5
I don't think 6 year old girls would get up in arms about her being in "their" bathroom without some parental influence, since Coy has been a girl since they met. (ETA: My comment is made without watching the CNN piece, since I have no speakers on my work computer) I wouldn't have a problem with unisex bathrooms or transgender people using the ladies room, ulterior motives or not. I am not in the stall long enough for anyone to get much of an eyefull of anything anyway. Kids at my DD's school did make comments about teachers being in the bathroom and did tell their parents they thought it was weird that Mr so and so was using the urinal next to them. I got to find out that he wasn't circumcised in the school playground. Man did I not need to know that! Kids pay a lot more attention to what everyone else is doing than adults iME. So no I don't think this is only coming from the parents. Those kids noticed immediately that his penis was different from theirs. If they had all nice stalls where no one can see each other fine but that doesn't jive with most of the schools I have seen. Why is it so bad for her to use the teacher's bathroom but okay for me to have my kid upset because the girl in the bathroom has a penis?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 9:22:29 GMT -5
Why isn't there doors on the girl's stalls?
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Post by 973beachbum on Jun 25, 2013 9:31:45 GMT -5
Why isn't there doors on the girl's stalls? Well in the school's defence they used to have doors that locked. They just broke at some point and never got fixed. I think part of the reason the school never did it is that it is easier to police people doing things they shouldn't in the stall if the door doesn't lock and stay shut. For girls who have their period they go to the nurses office bathroom IME. they get to use the nice private bathroom, and take a few extra minutes away from the classroom which is always nice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 9:33:20 GMT -5
I thought we were talking about a grade school, not a HS.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jun 25, 2013 9:43:08 GMT -5
I thought we were talking about a grade school, not a HS. You don't think grade school kids can do things they shouldn't? And my DD's school was K-5 and it had the worst bathrooms where the doors barely shut.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 9:51:37 GMT -5
In my mind, I pictured a bathroom with doors and wondered why 6 year olds were following her into a stall and checking out her genitalia.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jun 25, 2013 10:35:03 GMT -5
I think once they hit third grade it was more a problem with bulling and fighting than in kindergarten but that was what they wanted to be albe to see without having to bend over and see the feet under the stall. IE two pairs of feet is a definite problem. But it would be more something where a child is walking past a stall in the girls bathroom and sees the student standing up to pee. I know as an adult that if I see something out of place I will look even though I know I shouldn't. I would think it would be worse for little kids. I'm still traumatised about being told which male teachers were circumsised or not. I see these people all the time and I really didn't need to know that!
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Post by Pants on Jun 25, 2013 13:31:20 GMT -5
Put me firmly in the "I don't care" camp. Use whatever bathroom you feel you should.
What I find most interesting about this thread is that I (and I'm sure most of us) could have predicted the responses from almost every poster.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 13:35:04 GMT -5
OH NO! We've hit "that point" in our relationship already!?! Time to take the door off the bathroom, I guess.
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Post by midjd on Jun 25, 2013 13:38:36 GMT -5
I'm glad my boundless love for penises in the women's room is shining through.
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Post by Pants on Jun 25, 2013 13:43:00 GMT -5
I'm glad my boundless love for penises in the women's room is shining through. Penophile.
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