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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2012 14:05:42 GMT -5
I'm certainly a wanker now... but I'd need to defer to someone with some objectivity about the early years.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 31, 2012 14:08:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't really have any advice either. None of us really know the kid, so we can't really offer advice. Though you have to do something about it.
If you ignore it she'll likely begin to hate and resent school, and start to not do well. And when school does start to be challenging, she won't have the skills or study skills to do well. Sooner or later we all reach our peak.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2012 14:09:02 GMT -5
I thank my Mother everyday (and she's been dead for 6 years) that she didn't let the nuns have me skip 3rd grade. I could have probably done the academics fine but for a boy the social aspects are killers. A good friend of mine did skip the grade and he never recovered from being the "young" boy in the class. He just couldn't compete socially. I don't know how it would be for girls; but I would counsel against boys skipping grades at that age unless they are truly genius's and are going to be academics for their entire lives. As an alternative talk to the school about getting her some additional assignments or classes to keep her interest.
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Post by vonna on Aug 31, 2012 14:10:06 GMT -5
I think you know your kid best and you know what is going to work best for her. .
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Post by Loopdilou on Aug 31, 2012 14:11:20 GMT -5
We actually joked about the size thing this morning! Skrillex could probably get bumped up to HS with nobody the wiser!
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Post by CarolinaKat on Aug 31, 2012 14:15:12 GMT -5
I guess another reason being youngest in my grade didn't hurt me socially is by 12 I'd sprouted C cups which quickly grew into DD's Also, I stopped getting taller at age 11/12
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 31, 2012 14:20:39 GMT -5
I'm still mentally composing my rough draft. The section on how we're trying to shove every kid into the same round hole and ignoring the needs of the square shaped kids still needs some work. I'm not sure I like the round hole square kid analogy. The section where I rail on the defunding of GATE is stellar though! I'm not sure the superintendent will appreciate the part where I talk about how I think his salary would be better used on enrichment classes since a drunk money flipping a coin to make decisions could do a better job running the district. I personally think it's hilarious though.
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Post by Loopdilou on Aug 31, 2012 14:24:48 GMT -5
I'm still mentally composing my rough draft. The section on how we're trying to shove every kid into the same round hole and ignoring the needs of the square shaped kids still needs some work. I'm not sure I like the round hole square kid analogy. The section where I rail on the defunding of GATE is stellar though! I'm not sure the superintendent will appreciate the part where I talk about how I think his salary would be better used on enrichment classes since a drunk money flipping a coin to make decisions could do a better job running the district. I personally think it's hilarious though. Be serious! And email it to me; I'm taking it over in 2 hours.
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Post by telephus44 on Aug 31, 2012 14:32:11 GMT -5
We actually just had DS#1 skip k and go into 1st grade, so I'm not inherently opposed to skipping a grade.
However, my first instinct would be to change schools rather than change grades. I know you mentioned a magnet middle school, I'm not sure if you could do something for a year or two (tutor, gifted classes, whatever) until she could get into that middle school.
I'd also talk to your DD and ask her what she would like. Maybe she's throwing homeschooling out there because she thinks it would be fun to stay home all day.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 31, 2012 14:36:54 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out why people tell me to do things then tell me to be serious. You really should have considered who you were assigning the work to before you assigned it, don't ya think?
Fine.
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Post by tskeeter on Aug 31, 2012 15:26:23 GMT -5
My biggest concern would be that skipping 5th grade throws her into middle school where she may excel academically but may struggle with the social aspect. Middle school is a whole different ball of wax and it may be a difficult adjustment vs. having her skip 4th grade last year or letting her skip 6th grade next year. Obviously you know how mature your daughter is and whether she'll be able to handle herself with different peer pressures, etc. Good luck! This parenting stuff is hard. Your child's social and physical development is a significant consideration. I made it into first grade by two days. It sucked being the smallest or least coordinated at recess and in gym. And being the last one picked to be on any team. For 12 years. Getting A's on your report card, except for gym, where the C showed that you had attended class, but were far from athletically gifted. However, you might be able to use this situation as a learning opportunity. I skimmed susanb's comments and though this could be about choices and consequences. Every choice has some consequences. If you want a more challenging learning situation, here are some of the things that will probably come with that choice that you won't like. When you consider the good things and the not so good things, is this the choice you want to make, Messy? As a parent, you might be able to enlist the help of 6Th grade teacher in helping her understand the non-academic challenges she might face. If she does choose 6Th grade, she will have a teacher who helped her make that decision and is an ally.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 31, 2012 15:39:54 GMT -5
I'm still mentally composing my rough draft.
Next time I'm late on a work assignment, this is the excuse I'm using.
And email it to me; I'm taking it over in 2 hours.
Better yet, post it on here and let us, um, "edit."
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Post by Loopdilou on Aug 31, 2012 16:07:45 GMT -5
I wanted to tell Dark first, but he won't answer his phone. Looks like it's going to happen! Just needs approval from the Superintendent and Director of Ed... whom I have a bit of an in with, as a member of the School Board. We'll likely meet with the 6th grade teachers next week, but we'll keep everyone informed! Also remembered a major perk - 6th grade students still get music instructions! Messy will be ecstatic!
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Post by vonna on Aug 31, 2012 16:09:08 GMT -5
I'm glad it worked out! Good luck to Messy!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2012 16:26:21 GMT -5
I "skipped" a grade twice. The first time I skipped third grade at an "ungraded" school. That just meant I did the curriculum that the typical fourth-grader would do . . . except for math. I stayed with the third graders for that. This was in Baltimore. When we moved to Georgia the next year, the school system put me back in fourth grade. I wasn't particularly bored to be honest. I was a reader.
Then we moved to Alabama for fifth grade and to live with my aunt. She insisted that the school system allow me to skip seventh grade a couple of years later.
I hated it both times. I was a sixteen-year-old high school senior most of that year. To make it worse, I did college in three years so I was student teaching high school seniors when I was nineteen. I started teaching when I was twenty.
I didn't have the social skills. I honestly think that is more important than the intelligence part. I remember most of elementary school after 2nd grade as "doing more of the same." High school and college, too, affected me like that. I felt like I never learned anything new. I just took a little harder test on it each time. I wasn't challenged until I went to graduate school, and then the challenge was to make myself stand out.
Maybe you should just let your daughter skip everything until she hits grade 17.
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Post by Loopdilou on Aug 31, 2012 16:31:43 GMT -5
She'll be quite young for her grade, but she's a mature child and I can see her excelling. We'll just have to wait and see and do our best to help her on the way.
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Post by Malarky on Aug 31, 2012 16:52:18 GMT -5
I wasn't allowed to skip a grade, but I did math and science classes a year ahead all through middle school. I was so freaking bored!!!! I'd been bored since the day I entered school. Not really sure why I didn't go to kindergarten, but I read novels in 1st grade.
I graduated a year early, from high school. I was so freaking ready to get on with my real life. No regrets.
Dark and Loop,
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 4, 2012 19:02:45 GMT -5
Haven't gotten the official official confirmation and don't know exactly when she'll start, but Messy is going into 6th grade ASAP! We had a bit of a hiccup on Friday when she started backtracking a bit. She had told her friends about it and they were "disappointed" and then her sister told her that her friends thought it would be weird. So she got nervous and overwhelmed with the sudden reality. We spoke about it over the weekend and now she's back to being enthusiastic, if trepidatious. Tomorrow we have a conference with her 6th grade teachers so she can ask questions about any concerns.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 5, 2012 13:12:37 GMT -5
Good luck Messy!
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 5, 2012 13:26:18 GMT -5
Emotionally and socially being plucked out of your neighborhood school, driven 20 miles down the road to Gilroy to go to a private school, and not seeing your friends anymore is going to be a bigger shock than staying at your local school and jumping a grade. I think. The 5th and 6th graders have the same lunch period, so she can still see her friends every day. And she'll be in the 6th grade class with the neighbor kids that she already hangs out with after school anyway. The whole thing is obnoxious. All I wanted was for them to skate through elementary without any issues, and then they can go to the magnet middle school. We were almost there. Then the district decided to take 6th out of middle school and put it back at the elementary school, so we've got an extra year to worry about. I suppose it wouldn't have made much difference, since 5th grade is the issue, but it would have been easier for us to decide to supplement at home or whatever in order to get her through one grade. Well - I was actually thinking that a different school might cater to her way of advanced learning and give her the best well rounded education. One of the things I read about gifted kids skipping grades is that there are often "holes" in their education. Sure, they can move up and do the next year's work, but maybe they missed something that isn't (or possibly is) a building block. But, they have the skills and knowledge that usually follow the thing they missed - so everyone assumes they got the full knowledge, but really they are missing a piece in the middle. No one notices for a while, and then it creeps up. For a bad example - maybe if she skips her current grade, she doesn't learn about the Revolutionary War. No problem - you read something, and she picks up on the concepts, and everyone is good. And then in 2 years, you realize that everyone from that grade covered a full history of the revolutionary war, and now some teacher is makign references to it - but your daughter isn't getting it because she had the summary. She still needs to learn everything - just at a faster pace. You aren't suggesting speeding up the pace - just skipping a whole step. If you found a school that moves more based on the child's speed, she could still check all the boxes, but do two year's of work in one year, instead of just doing one year of work in one year and skipping one year all together. That said - I'm the asshole on the board that isn't impressed with everyone else here who skipped every odd grade and graduated with honors when they were 12 and they still have a perfect life, blah, blah, blah.
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 5, 2012 13:34:34 GMT -5
Thanks, Beth. I think I'm more nervous than she is!
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 5, 2012 13:38:18 GMT -5
Emotionally and socially being plucked out of your neighborhood school, driven 20 miles down the road to Gilroy to go to a private school, and not seeing your friends anymore is going to be a bigger shock than staying at your local school and jumping a grade. I think. The 5th and 6th graders have the same lunch period, so she can still see her friends every day. And she'll be in the 6th grade class with the neighbor kids that she already hangs out with after school anyway. The whole thing is obnoxious. All I wanted was for them to skate through elementary without any issues, and then they can go to the magnet middle school. We were almost there. Then the district decided to take 6th out of middle school and put it back at the elementary school, so we've got an extra year to worry about. I suppose it wouldn't have made much difference, since 5th grade is the issue, but it would have been easier for us to decide to supplement at home or whatever in order to get her through one grade. Well - I was actually thinking that a different school might cater to her way of advanced learning and give her the best well rounded education. One of the things I read about gifted kids skipping grades is that there are often "holes" in their education. Sure, they can move up and do the next year's work, but maybe they missed something that isn't (or possibly is) a building block. But, they have the skills and knowledge that usually follow the thing they missed - so everyone assumes they got the full knowledge, but really they are missing a piece in the middle. No one notices for a while, and then it creeps up. For a bad example - maybe if she skips her current grade, she doesn't learn about the Revolutionary War. No problem - you read something, and she picks up on the concepts, and everyone is good. And then in 2 years, you realize that everyone from that grade covered a full history of the revolutionary war, and now some teacher is makign references to it - but your daughter isn't getting it because she had the summary. She still needs to learn everything - just at a faster pace. You aren't suggesting speeding up the pace - just skipping a whole step. If you found a school that moves more based on the child's speed, she could still check all the boxes, but do two year's of work in one year, instead of just doing one year of work in one year and skipping one year all together. That said - I'm the asshole on the board that isn't impressed with everyone else here who skipped every odd grade and graduated with honors when they were 12 and they still have a perfect life, blah, blah, blah. Thanks for brining this up, because it has been a concern for us. We'll be borrowing the 5th grade curriculum materials and working on them with her. I just have to figure out how to structure it for her. The two subjects that new material is covered in, in 5th grade, are primarily science and history, so those subjects we'll have to cover at home.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Sept 5, 2012 13:48:16 GMT -5
I think some schools do a combined 2-grades curriculum, too. Does anyone know what I'm talking about, or is it something I'm misunderstanding?
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Post by swamp on Sept 5, 2012 13:50:07 GMT -5
I think some schools do a combined 2-grades curriculum, too. Does anyone know what I'm talking about, or is it something I'm misunderstanding? they do it here, it's called multiage class.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 5, 2012 13:53:14 GMT -5
Yes - there are a lot of schools that do this, and I was suggesting finding one of those.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Sept 5, 2012 13:55:26 GMT -5
Yes - there are a lot of schools that do this, and I was suggesting finding one of those. I wish they had those when I was in school! My rural school had two options, an occasional gifted class or skip a grade. My parents chose the former for me. My younger sister skipped a grade, though. Happily, neither of use seems the worse for either choice.
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 5, 2012 13:56:05 GMT -5
There are none of those schools near us, unfortunately, nor could we afford them if they were.
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Post by swamp on Sept 5, 2012 13:56:49 GMT -5
There are none of those schools near us, unfortunately, nor could we afford them if they were. the public schools here do it.
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 5, 2012 13:59:14 GMT -5
You're talking about.. say a K-1 combo class? Those are generally for lower grades.. 2-3 is the highest I've heard of in our district. The kids in the lower grade are still usually taught only their curriculum.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 5, 2012 14:00:11 GMT -5
We have some multi-age classrooms at our school but they focus more on kids who are behind and trying to catch up. That's fine - I'd rather have them be in there, where they can get the attention they need and special services (a lot of them have learning or behavior issues) than have take too many resources from our already taxed 'regular' teachers.
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