Why Do Many Minorities Lack ID?

[thyme4change]

What are Identification Requirement Laws?

Laws that require patients to provide identification prior to filling a controlled substance are designed to prevent prescription fraud and diversion by ensuring persons obtaining a prescription are who they claim to be. CDC included a law in this resource if it requires a person to identify himself or herself or requires or permits a pharmacist to request identification prior to dispensing a controlled substance.

Aren't there like 5 schedules of "controlled substances" and just because it is a prescription doesn't mean it is controlled?

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Aug 22, 2012 12:36:01 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

Aug 22, 2012 12:34:40 GMT -5 @gin1984 said:

What fraud issue? There is no evidence of voter fraud, well .02% I think was the limit of the fraud. In Ca we don't require IDs, you have to go up, give name and address, they look it up. If you are at all incorrect, like I forget to say my apartment #, you then require ID.

Yeah there's never any voter fraud. That's why WV threw the former Lincoln County sheriff in jail for voter fraud.

There is a difference between personal fraud which this would treat, if it existed and institutional fraud, which is what the former Lincoln County sheriff is in jail for, I believe.

[973beachbum]

Aug 22, 2012 13:19:12 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I guarantee everyone has to show an ID get get a prescription. Argue that

I didn't have to show ID to get my prescription, although, as I said, I had to show it to get OTC cough medicine for my kid. So, there are only some active ingredients that we have ID regulations on.
That said - even if it was true that everyone had to show an ID to get prescriptions, I suspect many of the people that don't have IDs might not have health insurance, and probably don't get prescribed medication. I would venture to say that a huge percentage of prescription medication don't actually keep anyone from dying. I think the top prescribed medications include allergy medications, antibiotics (for things that are not life threatening and will eventually clear up on their own), pain killers and birth control.

A few meth labs go boom and suddenly a kids cold medicine becomes a controlled substance.

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Aug 22, 2012 12:42:26 GMT -5 michelyn8 said:

Aug 22, 2012 12:32:31 GMT -5 @gin1984 said:

But it is not on the list of allowed IDs for voting. Also, in some states, some military IDs will not be valid, nor will student IDs etc. It is not that they need ID but that they need a specific ID, in a short period of time, that costs money they don't have, and the requirements for that ID have changed.

Requirements for a government issued photo ID have been fairly consistent since 9/11. I have a hard time believing these states with the laws suddenly decided you needed to prove legal presence just last week. As I stated before, these laws are at least 3-6 months old in most places and that is plenty of time for anyone to arrange the money and time to go get one.


Maybe we should start asking all of the whiners to prove they were registered and actually voted in 2008 or any other federal, state or local election since.

1) Many of the people complaining were registered and voted, those records are public. 2)If you look at the list on the top of page 3, the list of requirements for a job are different than the requirements for these news laws. For example, a person in the military could fly on their military ID, but in some of these states, that would not be valid to vote. Also, as I have stated before many college students who do not drive can be fine with a student ID (also not valid even if printed by a state school) and a social security card. 3) The issue is not proving legal presence but the requirements needed to prove that presence.

[Deleted]

Aug 22, 2012 13:24:31 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

What are Identification Requirement Laws?

Laws that require patients to provide identification prior to filling a controlled substance are designed to prevent prescription fraud and diversion by ensuring persons obtaining a prescription are who they claim to be. CDC included a law in this resource if it requires a person to identify himself or herself or requires or permits a pharmacist to request identification prior to dispensing a controlled substance.

Aren't there like 5 schedules of "controlled substances" and just because it is a prescription doesn't mean it is controlled?

Yep

[wvugurl26]

Aug 22, 2012 13:24:31 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

What are Identification Requirement Laws?

Laws that require patients to provide identification prior to filling a controlled substance are designed to prevent prescription fraud and diversion by ensuring persons obtaining a prescription are who they claim to be. CDC included a law in this resource if it requires a person to identify himself or herself or requires or permits a pharmacist to request identification prior to dispensing a controlled substance.

Aren't there like 5 schedules of "controlled substances" and just because it is a prescription doesn't mean it is controlled?

There are 5 schedules and not all prescription drugs are controlled substances. The CDC link shows which states have laws requiring id for controlled substances and in which circumstances.

Other drugs such as cold medicines containing pseudoephedrine or Plan B require id due to federal law or FDA regulations.

[wvugurl26]

Apparently no one you went to college with bought cigarettes, beer, sudafed, etc.

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Aug 22, 2012 13:34:12 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

Apparently no one you went to college with bought cigarettes, beer, sudafed, etc.

They got their IDs at 21 for alcohol, and no most did not smoke. And as I have said before, if this law was put in place with time for people to get the IDs as well as save up for it, as well as a exemption for those who can't afford it (which I think one state did), I would have no problem with it. Granted that would take over a year or two and would not affect this election, which is what at least one GOP elected official is one record saying that doing this will give Romney the election.

[justme]

My pharmacy just asks me to verify info like my birthdate or address if they don't happen to know me. But they allow other people to pick up my prescriptions. A few years ago an old roommate picked up my vicodin rx with no issue because my migraine was too bad to get it myself . Though it seems they've tightened up on controlled substances, a few of my rx's refills are now only good for 6 months.

[wvugurl26]

Aug 22, 2012 13:25:06 GMT -5 @gin1984 said:

Aug 22, 2012 12:36:01 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

Yeah there's never any voter fraud. That's why WV threw the former Lincoln County sheriff in jail for voter fraud.

There is a difference between personal fraud which this would treat, if it existed and institutional fraud, which is what the former Lincoln County sheriff is in jail for, I believe.

I consider selling your vote personal fraud as well as institutional. Yeah the guy running offered you $$$ but the voters accepted.

Lincoln County had more people registered to vote than eligible residents. One guy can't go down to the county clerk's office and register hundreds of people to vote. Making exceptions for those who were registered in the last election wouldn't catch that.

They took ballots to people and helped them fill them out. That is personal, those people were complicit in the fraud. They may not be the masterminds but that is not just institutional fraud.

I have to show id for things that impact my day to day life much more than voting ever will so why shouldn't they need an id?

[michelyn8]

Aug 22, 2012 13:28:34 GMT -5 @gin1984 said:

Aug 22, 2012 12:42:26 GMT -5 michelyn8 said:

Requirements for a government issued photo ID have been fairly consistent since 9/11. I have a hard time believing these states with the laws suddenly decided you needed to prove legal presence just last week. As I stated before, these laws are at least 3-6 months old in most places and that is plenty of time for anyone to arrange the money and time to go get one.


Maybe we should start asking all of the whiners to prove they were registered and actually voted in 2008 or any other federal, state or local election since.

1) Many of the people complaining were registered and voted, those records are public. 2)If you look at the list on the top of page 3, the list of requirements for a job are different than the requirements for these news laws. For example, a person in the military could fly on their military ID, but in some of these states, that would not be valid to vote. Also, as I have stated before many college students who do not drive can be fine with a student ID (also not valid even if printed by a state school) and a social security card. 3) The issue is not proving legal presence but the requirements needed to prove that presence.

Maybe you misunderstood what I mean by legal presence as it relates to obtaining a government issued ID. I don't know about other states, but in VA to obtain an ID or DL from our DMV you must provide proof that you are here legally. I accidentally let my DL expire in 2008 and had to prove legal presence when I went to renew it 2 days after the expiration date (they changed from last day of birth month to birthday for expiration dates and I hadn't noticed). It was hassle but I made the trip back home to get the docs so I could renew. Accepted forms of proof are birth certificate, military ID, unexpired ID card or DL from another state, SSN card among many others plus a proof of address such as utility bill for adult or copy of school record for child.

Given the length of the list of acceptable documentation and the low cost, the arguments about how difficult it is to obtain a government ID for a lower income or elderly individual just don't hold water.

[wvugurl26]

Whether you get refills or how many depends on what schedule the substance is. Who can pick it up depends on the state. Not all states require id for controlled substances.

[wvugurl26]

I guess they let you renew early? No state office is ever open on my birthday.

There is a federal law that takes effect in 2017 requiring you to prove identity and residence every time you get a driver's license/id. WV adopted it early and it went into effect this year. You must have items to prove identity including any and all name changes and physical residence.

[thyme4change]

I consider selling your vote personal fraud as well as institutional. Yeah the guy running offered you $$$ but the voters accepted.

I would sell my vote. How much could I get? There are like 10 or 12 things on each ballot - would someone pay me for all of those? Most of the time I hate my choices anyway. I'm considering just starting to write in people that are dead just to prove that I vote, but they aren't representing me. If I'm going to do that - I might as well do whatever they want and get a few bucks.

[wvugurl26]

Aug 22, 2012 13:49:44 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I consider selling your vote personal fraud as well as institutional. Yeah the guy running offered you $$$ but the voters accepted.

I would sell my vote. How much could I get? There are like 10 or 12 things on each ballot - would someone pay me for all of those? Most of the time I hate my choices anyway. I'm considering just starting to write in people that are dead just to prove that I vote, but they aren't representing me. If I'm going to do that - I might as well do whatever they want and get a few bucks.

It was southern WV so I doubt they got big bucks.

[thyme4change]

[michelyn8]

Aug 22, 2012 13:48:37 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

I guess they let you renew early? No state office is ever open on my birthday.

There is a federal law that takes effect in 2017 requiring you to prove identity and residence every time you get a driver's license/id. WV adopted it early and it went into effect this year. You must have items to prove identity including any and all name changes and physical residence.

Yes, you can renew early. You normally receive a notice about a month ahead of time to remind you that its time to renew. At one time, we could even renew online and use the same photo from the prior renewals but then the next time you have to have a new photo taken (photo updated at least every 10 years) but I'm not sure if we still can since they've added even more security features to the cards.

My sister got caught missing her expiration date when she turned 50 and she's an emergency services dispatcher. Personally, I think the change in dates was their way of weeding out those illegals/criminals who were able to get licenses before the laws for legal presence were enacted since the change wasn't really "announced" just made.

[wvugurl26]

Sorry definitely not enough for you to quit the job. Although maybe the going rate is higher in your state.

[wvugurl26]

Aug 22, 2012 13:55:19 GMT -5 michelyn8 said:

Aug 22, 2012 13:48:37 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

I guess they let you renew early? No state office is ever open on my birthday.

There is a federal law that takes effect in 2017 requiring you to prove identity and residence every time you get a driver's license/id. WV adopted it early and it went into effect this year. You must have items to prove identity including any and all name changes and physical residence.

Yes, you can renew early. You normally receive a notice about a month ahead of time to remind you that its time to renew. At one time, we could even renew online and use the same photo from the prior renewals but then the next time you have to have a new photo taken (photo updated at least every 10 years) but I'm not sure if we still can since they've added even more security features to the cards.

My sister got caught missing her expiration date when she turned 50 and she's an emergency services dispatcher. Personally, I think the change in dates was their way of weeding out those illegals/criminals who were able to get licenses before the laws for legal presence were enacted since the change wasn't really "announced" just made.

I'd say Maryland will have a drop in licenses when the law goes into effect. I was absolutely stunned to learn you don't have to prove residence. In WV previously you always had to prove residence but you only needed identity proof for initial id/license and any name changes.

[thyme4change]

I don't need enough to quit - just a little extra cash in my pocket. I assume it would be tax free, given the illegal activity and all.

[jaya3300]

In my state, voter id fraud is a fabricated issue. The bigger problem is when ballots/ballot boxes are "found" in someone's possession/vehicle after the count. And voter id laws aren't going to fix that.

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more importantly how do they drink if they don' have ID?

you need ID to drink, and everyone drinks don't they? (especially after lunch at work like me? )

[973beachbum]

Aug 22, 2012 13:43:19 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

Aug 22, 2012 13:25:06 GMT -5 @gin1984 said:

There is a difference between personal fraud which this would treat, if it existed and institutional fraud, which is what the former Lincoln County sheriff is in jail for, I believe.

I consider selling your vote personal fraud as well as institutional. Yeah the guy running offered you $$$ but the voters accepted.

Lincoln County had more people registered to vote than eligible residents. One guy can't go down to the county clerk's office and register hundreds of people to vote. Making exceptions for those who were registered in the last election wouldn't catch that.

They took ballots to people and helped them fill them out. That is personal, those people were complicit in the fraud. They may not be the masterminds but that is not just institutional fraud.

I have to show id for things that impact my day to day life much more than voting ever will so why shouldn't they need an id?

Of course there are more people registered to vote than alive! When people die they don't normally call the voter registration and to tell them that they can cancel them since they are dead.

The real question is what percent of people were not eligible to register to vote but managed to and did.

There was a big stink in Fl and even the state gov of the same party leading the charge kept saying there was no evidence of much voter fraud at lall let alone enough to warrant disenfranchising large amouts of people to stop it.

[973beachbum]

Aug 22, 2012 14:02:07 GMT -5 @robbase2012 said:

more importantly how do they drink if they don' have ID?

you need ID to drink, and everyone drinks don't they? (especially after lunch at work like me? )

They don't card me anymore.

[Rocky Mtn Saver]

Aug 22, 2012 13:25:06 GMT -5 @gin1984 said:

Aug 22, 2012 12:36:01 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

Yeah there's never any voter fraud. That's why WV threw the former Lincoln County sheriff in jail for voter fraud.

There is a difference between personal fraud which this would treat, if it existed and institutional fraud, which is what the former Lincoln County sheriff is in jail for, I believe.

A quick google of this particular case said that the fraud had to do with absentee ballots. However, do the Voter ID laws being proposed address absentee ballot fraud or just people voting in person? Because from what I understand, in-person voter fraud is rare, and it's the absentee ballot problem that needs addressed.

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Aug 22, 2012 13:28:34 GMT -5 @gin1984 said:

Aug 22, 2012 12:42:26 GMT -5 michelyn8 said:

Requirements for a government issued photo ID have been fairly consistent since 9/11. I have a hard time believing these states with the laws suddenly decided you needed to prove legal presence just last week. As I stated before, these laws are at least 3-6 months old in most places and that is plenty of time for anyone to arrange the money and time to go get one.


Maybe we should start asking all of the whiners to prove they were registered and actually voted in 2008 or any other federal, state or local election since.

1) Many of the people complaining were registered and voted, those records are public. 2)If you look at the list on the top of page 3, the list of requirements for a job are different than the requirements for these news laws. For example, a person in the military could fly on their military ID, but in some of these states, that would not be valid to vote. Also, as I have stated before many college students who do not drive can be fine with a student ID (also not valid even if printed by a state school) and a social security card. 3) The issue is not proving legal presence but the requirements needed to prove that presence.

Military personnel are supposed to vote in their state of record....and they are allowed to vote by absentee ballot

If they want to vote in current residence state, they have to sign up for voter registration there...and ID is required along with proof that they reside in locality

[973beachbum]

Aug 22, 2012 14:05:19 GMT -5 Rocky Mtn Saver said:

Aug 22, 2012 13:25:06 GMT -5 @gin1984 said:

There is a difference between personal fraud which this would treat, if it existed and institutional fraud, which is what the former Lincoln County sheriff is in jail for, I believe.

A quick google of this particular case said that the fraud had to do with absentee ballots. However, do the Voter ID laws being proposed address absentee ballot fraud or just people voting in person? Because from what I understand, in-person voter fraud is rare, and it's the absentee ballot problem that needs addressed.

Trying to win an argument on the internet using facts again.

[wvugurl26]

I believe in the case of those who die county clerks are supposed to remove those people. They managed to do it in Lincoln County after discovering those dead people were voting.

[wvugurl26]

Obviously I live in a much different world than these people. There are hundreds of things that require a state issued id and I can't imagine these people do none of those.

It is also a nice assumption that all those lacking id would be voting for Obama. I think its a nice distraction from the real issues. Much easier to claim the mean old Republicans required id and that's why you lost, not that people were unhappy with the job you were doing.

[tloonya]

/Why Do Many Minorities Lack ID?
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I would be more concern if MAJORITIES were lacked of IDs.
Minorities? Who cares about them?