Sum Dum Gai
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 7, 2012 15:44:53 GMT -5
Don't sell yourself short dude, you do a good job without her help.
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Driftr
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Post by Driftr on Aug 7, 2012 15:45:06 GMT -5
If WWBG is punished in any way, I'm leaving the forum. Iff WWBG is punished, MMC leaves, Dark doesn't get his clutch fixed and Loop's job falls through...then I'm going to do 20 push ups. <<this post in no way suggests that I promote relations with underage girls>> If Taxman has to do 20 push-ups I'm going to do 50 sit-ups. Maybe even all in a row.
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Taxman10
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 7, 2012 15:45:31 GMT -5
Seriously Virgil? Milee TRAPPED him and he was the victim??? FFS you cannot believe this shit that you type sometimes... can you? 90% of WWBG's post drip with the hatred he feels towards women... you can almost hear him seething in the words that he types.. and his description of the 15 yr old was absolutely fucking twisted! And it went downhill from there!!!! I thought he couldn't be the victim b/c the victim is still partially guilty??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 15:45:46 GMT -5
Actually.. no, not ready to step away yet. I think there are several people here who have stepped over the line. Personally I think Milee, Thyme, Gin, and now Loop (to name a few) have really gone way overboard. Seriously get over it.... Personally I'm finding the treatment here uglier than anything that was said in that thread. So I have gone overboard when I don't like comments, I am being told that how I, and most others interpreted the comments (multiple comments that got worse and worse) are wrong (yet, he apologized for at least one of those comments, interesting), and don't like when a moderator abuses his or her power and don't like when a pedophiles thought processes is positively portrayed. Quite frankly, if that is going overboard, I am ok with that.
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Taxman10
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 7, 2012 15:46:45 GMT -5
Iff WWBG is punished, MMC leaves, Dark doesn't get his clutch fixed and Loop's job falls through...then I'm going to do 20 push ups. <<this post in no way suggests that I promote relations with underage girls>> If Taxman has to do 20 push-ups I'm going to do 50 sit-ups. Maybe even all in a row. <<this post in no way suggests that I promote relations with underage girls>>
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 7, 2012 15:46:43 GMT -5
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thyme4change
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 15:47:26 GMT -5
Well - they backed off it, and said they had never been asked, and they danced around. That said - have you ever asked the mods for something. Response time is like 3 days. He got to run in and do it right away. It would have taken a minimum of an hour to get someone to review it, and think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 15:48:05 GMT -5
But without WWBG's comments, or the comments of his in quote boxes, that required a mod to remove.
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Wizard of Id
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Post by Wizard of Id on Aug 7, 2012 15:48:16 GMT -5
If a poster didn't want their words "out there", I think they've got the right to ask they be removed.
Then the poster should not put the words out there in the first place. We've all said or done something we wished we hadn't. Right or wrong we need to accept what we've done, learn from it, and move on. You can't rewrite history and you shouldn't try.
The CoC is frequently cited as cause for this and cause for that, which is fine there needs to be rules, but what good are the rules though if there is only an arbitrary guidline to follow the rules.
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zibazinski
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 7, 2012 15:50:03 GMT -5
I can't believe some people are still bitching about WWBG. He said some stuff he thought better of, he apologized, and removed it. Theres posts that I'd like to remove as well. No way should he be removed and no way should former mods who were notorious for banning people that disagreed with their buddies be reinstated on this board. Yes, he doesn't have a great opinion of women. I've been a victim of his feelings as well but fair is fair and this is a witch hunt. Enough already.
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Driftr
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Post by Driftr on Aug 7, 2012 15:52:24 GMT -5
Well - they backed off it, and said they had never been asked, and they danced around. That said - have you ever asked the mods for something. Response time is like 3 days. He got to run in and do it right away. It would have taken a minimum of an hour to get someone to review it, and think about it. I have Virgil on speed dial. Well. I think I do. His number is 202-456-2121. Right Virg? Good point though. Even if it only took an hour, judging by the ...unhappiness... I've seen here about what was written, that probably would have taken 1,000 monkeys 1,000 years to undo all the partial quotes that would happen if one of us said something that 'bad'.
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thyme4change
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 15:52:29 GMT -5
You know - I am pretty sure I asked Moon to remove something once, and she told me that I had to deal with the fact that I said something. I wish I can remember the exact circumstances. It was the day that POM told me she pitied my children because I obviously didn't care enough about them to stop them from getting molested. And then repeated it 10 times. But, I was the one who got banned.
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hoops902
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Post by hoops902 on Aug 7, 2012 15:53:29 GMT -5
::I can't believe some people are still bitching about WWBG. He said some stuff he thought better of, he apologized, and removed it.::
Really, at least he apologized, you won't see that weak shit from me.
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thyme4change
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 15:54:43 GMT -5
LOL - yup, I'll call that with every complaint I have.
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Driftr
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Post by Driftr on Aug 7, 2012 15:55:17 GMT -5
If a poster didn't want their words "out there", I think they've got the right to ask they be removed.Then the poster should not put the words out there in the first place. We've all said or done something we wished we hadn't. Right or wrong we need to accept what we've done, learn from it, and move on. You can't rewrite history and you shouldn't try. As good a time as any for one of my favorite stories. Nails in the Fence: www.inspirational-short-stories.com/bad-temper.html
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hoops902
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Post by hoops902 on Aug 7, 2012 15:57:29 GMT -5
::He discovered it was easier to hold his temper than to drive those nails into the fence.::
What a terrible story. Driving nails into a fence isn't difficult. Kids these days are spoiled and soft!
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Loopdilou
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Post by Loopdilou on Aug 7, 2012 16:00:04 GMT -5
Personal attacks are rarely, if ever, punished.
I'm living proof of that.. on both sides of the equation.
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Virgil Showlion
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 7, 2012 16:06:20 GMT -5
Duly noted.
Assuming your characterization of his views is correct (and I'm not granting that it is), this is an ideological viewpoint. We do not censure posters for expressing ideas that are not in violation of the CoC.
This may very well be true.
Unfortunately, this was not his perception of the matter, and his perception was what motivated the ham-handed statement.
Two issues:
1. Until board policy is decided, he is the owner of all the deleted content (including verbatim copies of his original content), which grants him the right to delete the content. This is the most natural, logical extension of Proboards' rules, which hold that a poster has the right to delete their posts at any time, for any reason.
2. WWBG has already explained that the statement does not reflect his views.
We have stated that there is no explicit policy on the matter, and we are discussing it.
You cannot break a rule that doesn't exist.
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kittensaver
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Post by kittensaver on Aug 7, 2012 16:07:19 GMT -5
I remember a poster (who I haven't seen around in a while) getting really angry and laying into me on a thread. I responded once or twice and then quit - - even though she kept it up for another few posts. Then there was silence for a day and a half. Then she came back and started in on me again without any involvement from me. One of the mods came on and said, "cut it out, you two." When I pointed out that I had been completely silent for almost 2 days and was continuing to not respond, the response I got was something along the lines of "well we have to enforce the rules equally." So yeah, I agree that attacks rarely get "punished."
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Virgil Showlion
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 7, 2012 16:08:03 GMT -5
I can't believe some people are still bitching about WWBG. He said some stuff he thought better of, he apologized, and removed it. Theres posts that I'd like to remove as well. No way should he be removed and no way should former mods who were notorious for banning people that disagreed with their buddies be reinstated on this board. Yes, he doesn't have a great opinion of women. I've been a victim of his feelings as well but fair is fair and this is a witch hunt. Enough already. Thank you.
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mmhmm
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2012 16:08:15 GMT -5
Well - they backed off it, and said they had never been asked, and they danced around. That said - have you ever asked the mods for something. Response time is like 3 days. He got to run in and do it right away. It would have taken a minimum of an hour to get someone to review it, and think about it. I have never been asked to remove quoted posts. As I said, if I had been asked, I'd have done it. Now, I'd think about it and get other opinions before I acted ... so, yes, it would take more time. I've backed off of nothing, and changed nothing since I made that same remark originally. No dancing involved. If you ask for something from a mod, we'll try to fill your request as soon as we can. I don't think I've ever taken 3 days to answer a request made to me, thyme. I'd be surprised if I've ever taken a full day. It must, however, be realized that mods have jobs, and families, and aren't here 24/7/365. Speaking for myself, any request made to me directly will be answered just as soon as I possibly can. You might not like the answer, but you'll get an answer. I'm retired, and have more time than most of the other mods.
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hoops902
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Post by hoops902 on Aug 7, 2012 16:10:04 GMT -5
::This is the most natural, logical extension of Proboards' rules, which hold that a poster has the right to delete their posts at any time, for any reason.::
So basically, unless we want mods going into our posts and changing them at someone's whim, we need to stop using the "quote" feature and instead just give our own synopsis of what we claim someone said.
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Loopdilou
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Post by Loopdilou on Aug 7, 2012 16:14:01 GMT -5
I remember a poster (who I haven't seen around in a while) getting really angry and laying into me on a thread. I responded once or twice and then quit - - even though she kept it up for another few posts. Then there was silence for a day and a half. Then she came back and started in on me again without any involvement from me. One of the mods came on and said, "cut it out, you two." When I pointed out that I had been completely silent for almost 2 days and was continuing to not respond, the response I got was something along the lines of "well we have to enforce the rules equally." So yeah, I agree that attacks rarely get "punished." I leave for a year at a time and people still will jump in on me. Granted, I do the same thing to 1 individual poster. And we're both still here! ;D L
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 16:15:15 GMT -5
"I remember a poster (who I haven't seen around in a while) getting really angry and laying into me on a thread. I responded once or twice and then quit - - even though she kept it up for another few posts. Then there was silence for a day and a half. Then she came back and started in on me again without any involvement from me. One of the mods came on and said, "cut it out, you two." When I pointed out that I had been completely silent for almost 2 days and was continuing to not respond, "
Where is the fun in that?? It is much more fun to go toe-to-toe with the crazies...
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Loopdilou
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Post by Loopdilou on Aug 7, 2012 16:15:26 GMT -5
::This is the most natural, logical extension of Proboards' rules, which hold that a poster has the right to delete their posts at any time, for any reason.:: So basically, unless we want mods going into our posts and changing them at someone's whim, we need to stop using the "quote" feature and instead just give our own synopsis of what we claim someone said. LOL! That sounds awesome. Talk about a shit-storm in the making!
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mmhmm
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2012 16:15:28 GMT -5
I remember a poster (who I haven't seen around in a while) getting really angry and laying into me on a thread. I responded once or twice and then quit - - even though she kept it up for another few posts. Then there was silence for a day and a half. Then she came back and started in on me again without any involvement from me. One of the mods came on and said, "cut it out, you two." When I pointed out that I had been completely silent for almost 2 days and was continuing to not respond, the response I got was something along the lines of "well we have to enforce the rules equally." So yeah, I agree that attacks rarely get "punished." I don't know about this particular situation, kitten, but I can say you don't necessarily know what goes on behind the scenes. A poster may be contacted about something they've posted without your knowledge. You aren't aware of all actions taken. What punishment are we talking about here? Do you actually want someone banned every time another poster discerns an insult to have been aimed their way? If that's what you want, you'll find the old adage of "be careful what you wish for" to be very, very pertinent, and it could just as easily impact you, or any other poster, whether insult was intended, or not. There's also the matter of the Ignore function. If there's someone you don't like, and you don't choose to use the Ignore function to keep this person from irritating you, whose choice is that?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 16:18:13 GMT -5
I remember a poster (who I haven't seen around in a while) getting really angry and laying into me on a thread. I responded once or twice and then quit - - even though she kept it up for another few posts. Then there was silence for a day and a half. Then she came back and started in on me again without any involvement from me. One of the mods came on and said, "cut it out, you two." When I pointed out that I had been completely silent for almost 2 days and was continuing to not respond, the response I got was something along the lines of "well we have to enforce the rules equally." So yeah, I agree that attacks rarely get "punished." I don't know about this particular situation, kitten, but I can say you don't necessarily know what goes on behind the scenes. A poster may be contacted about something they've posted without your knowledge. You aren't aware of all actions taken. What punishment are we talking about here? Do you actually want someone banned every time another poster discerns an insult to have been aimed their way? If that's what you want, you'll find the old adage of "be careful what you wish for" to be very, very pertinent, and it could just as easily impact you, or any other poster, whether insult was intended, or not. There's also the matter of the Ignore function. If there's someone you don't like, and you don't choose to use the Ignore function to keep this person from irritating you, whose choice is that? Except we cannot ignore mods.
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 16:18:51 GMT -5
"I have had something quoted that I've either edited for typos or added something to... and someone had quoted me prior to my revision, the changes were not made in the quote inside of their message.. so SOMEONE went in and edited mine and milee's posts where we quoted WWBG. We were not asked to edit our own posts because WWBG realized what he said came across horrifically or anything like that... that is the abuse of mod powers that have some of us so angry. Can you people not see that? Either WWBG himself did it to cover his ass (which as a regular poster none of us can do) or he went to another mod (which I suspect was Virgil) to do it for him, still misusing his authority as a moderator. So you can all blow smoke up everyone's asses all you want... you just continue to lose credibility, trust and respect from some of us who post here. "
I've also had my posts quoted that were deleted by a mod and theirs were not deleted...in this case, mmhmmm found my post so horrific that she banned me but didn't delete the quotes of my post (it was related to BAM..)....it could have been an oversight but I'm just saying the rules aren't consistently followed...
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 16:19:36 GMT -5
"What punishment are we talking about here? Do you actually want someone banned every time another poster discerns an insult to have been aimed their way"
hell no because the sticks up the asses will have me banned daily!
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 16:19:52 GMT -5
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