hoops902
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Post by hoops902 on Aug 7, 2012 15:34:54 GMT -5
Actually.. no, not ready to step away yet. I think there are several people here who have stepped over the line. Personally I think Milee, Thyme, Gin, and now Loop (to name a few) have really gone way overboard. Seriously get over it.... Personally I'm finding the treatment here uglier than anything that was said in that thread. They're all women, they can't help over-reacting! See how easy it is to make people look reasonable by comparison.
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Sum Dum Gai
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 7, 2012 15:35:05 GMT -5
I'm attracted too women not girls. Drunk or otherwise.
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muttleynfelix
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 7, 2012 15:35:10 GMT -5
He's away, indefinitely. He's the only one who can authorize republication of his private comments. For what it's worth, if it will put the issue to rest, I will paraphrase: He felt (and I agree with him) that you, Ms. milee, were seeking to trap him. You had posited your question in such a way that if he had answered "the boys had nothing to do with it", you and others would have declared it evidence that he was a misogynist. In short, he believed (and I agree with him) that the question was engineered to further the stigma building against him, starting back on page 5 where several posters refer to his opinion as "disturbing", "sickening" (page 6), "disgusting" (page 6). Ms. raeoflyte openly calls him misogynistic, and laterbloomer posts the first in a series of posts whose content is so vitriolic that they are either deleted my mmhmm or use language like "WWBG is using the language that abusers use". This being the only thing in his mind at the time, he was understandably inclined to post something that wouldn't give you free license to smear him as a misogynist. He cares about your perception of him, for reasons that elude me, and he didn't want to fall into the trap. With this in mind, he hastily replied with precisely what he knew you didn't want to hear, not giving any serious thought to the implications of what he was saying. This was his error. And, admittedly, this last part is my own perception: Minutes later, in the midst of the unprecedented hysterical blowback in which he was called every name in the book, he realized what he'd said, how it had been interpreted, and he did everything in his human power to retract the statement. As we all know this was an ill-conceived idea from the first, because frankly he could have gutted himself and presented his entrails in tribute to you and various other thread participants and you still wouldn't have considered it a fitting penance. If you're insulted by that assessment, so be it. You claim blaming the victim is wrong. With everything said against him in that thread, WWBG is the victim, as far as I'm concerned. Except WWBG had other options than saying what he said. He could have left the thread for a time to think about a response, not come back at all or came back and said wow I realize now what I am saying is wrong because it was. If what it doesn't apply to boys than it doesn't apply to girls and I hope he realizes that now. He wasn't trapped into a corner. This is a computer. There is always an off switch. There is no victim in a debate.
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 15:35:19 GMT -5
"Hey look - another thread about mastrubation. Man, you guys really snuck that one in. Tee Hee, tee hee. " We were talking about yanking chains...it's not our fault you are a dirty bird who reads into things
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midjd
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Post by midjd on Aug 7, 2012 15:36:12 GMT -5
Sroo, what specifically do you find "overboard"? Just curious. You're a very reasonable poster.
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Taxman10
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 7, 2012 15:36:16 GMT -5
Actually.. no, not ready to step away yet. I think there are several people here who have stepped over the line. Personally I think Milee, Thyme, Gin, and now Loop (to name a few) have really gone way overboard. Seriously get over it.... Personally I'm finding the treatment here uglier than anything that was said in that thread. They're all women, they can't help over-reacting! See how easy it is to make people look reasonable by comparison. I'm offended by that!! <<this post in no way suggests that I promote relations with underage girls>>
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 15:37:01 GMT -5
bump
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movingforward
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Post by movingforward on Aug 7, 2012 15:37:08 GMT -5
I just wish the thread hadn't been moved so I could actually read it...
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midjd
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Post by midjd on Aug 7, 2012 15:37:13 GMT -5
Bump...
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 15:37:37 GMT -5
"I'm attracted too women not girls. Drunk or otherwise. "
LOL...super sensitive, aren't we?? I call all females girls
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 15:38:25 GMT -5
The worst thing you can do on a message board is to not own your opinions. Once the masses smell the blood of a waffler they are viscous and hungry. Even if you say something that some people disagree with, as long as you own it, they can't get you.
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milee
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Post by milee on Aug 7, 2012 15:38:30 GMT -5
He's away, indefinitely. He's the only one who can authorize republication of his private comments. For what it's worth, if it will put the issue to rest, I will paraphrase: He felt (and I agree with him) that you, Ms. milee, were seeking to trap him. You had posited your question in such a way that if he had answered "the boys had nothing to do with it", you and others would have declared it evidence that he was a misogynist. In short, he believed (and I agree with him) that the question was engineered to further the stigma building against him, starting back on page 5 where several posters refer to his opinion as "disturbing", "sickening" (page 6), "disgusting" (page 6). Ms. raeoflyte openly calls him misogynistic, and laterbloomer posts the first in a series of posts whose content is so vitriolic that they are either deleted my mmhmm or use language like "WWBG is using the language that abusers use". This being the only thing in his mind at the time, he was understandably inclined to post something that wouldn't give you free license to smear him as a misogynist. He cares about your perception of him, for reasons that elude me, and he didn't want to fall into the trap. With this in mind, he hastily replied with precisely what he knew you didn't want to hear, not giving any serious thought to the implications of what he was saying. This was his error. And, admittedly, this last part is my own perception: Minutes later, in the midst of the unprecedented hysterical blowback in which he was called every name in the book, he realized what he'd said, how it had been interpreted, and he did everything in his human power to retract the statement. As we all know this was an ill-conceived idea from the first, because frankly he could have gutted himself and presented his entrails in tribute to you and various other thread participants and you still wouldn't have considered it a fitting penance. If you're insulted by that assessment, so be it. You claim blaming the victim is wrong. With everything said against him in that thread, WWBG is the victim, as far as I'm concerned. If this is your paraphrase, then I understand why we are unable to come to an agreement on the treatment of this issue. I'd invite anyone to re-read page 11 and 12 of the Teacher/Student thread and see if you see any "hysterical blowback" or where I ever call WWBG a name. As I have repeatedly explained to you - in public - I have not attacked WWBG in any way, nor was there an attempt to set him up but to explain why abused children make choices that put them in danger. Your assessment of the situation is off base and if he's the victim, then there should be no issue with openly publishing both the statement he cut out and his explanation.
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thyme4change
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 15:38:39 GMT -5
So, he is sorry that he said stuff he shouldn't of. We all do that on here. But, he doesn't regret using his mod powers to delete all of it, to cover himself. And the mods agree that he was within his rights.
If that is how it is, then that is how it is.
Some animals are more equal than others.
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Sum Dum Gai
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 7, 2012 15:38:54 GMT -5
Not really, I normally say chicks. But given all the brouhaha here I figured I better play it safe. I have this weird habit of getting in trouble during threads like this, even if I had nothing to do with the original "problem" thread.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 15:39:28 GMT -5
If WWBG is punished in any way, I'm leaving the forum.
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Sum Dum Gai
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 7, 2012 15:40:33 GMT -5
Bye.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 7, 2012 15:40:35 GMT -5
The worst thing you can do on a message board is to not own your opinions. Once the masses smell the blood of a waffler they are viscous and hungry. Even if you say something that some people disagree with, as long as you own it, they can't get you. But you can always leave.
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Taxman10
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 7, 2012 15:40:37 GMT -5
The worst thing you can do on a message board is to not own your opinions. Once the masses smell the blood of a waffler they are viscous and hungry. Even if you say something that some people disagree with, as long as you own it, they can't get you. but the mods can get you...especially if what you say happens to disagree with their opinions. not that that situation would ever happen here...but on other message boards... <<this post in no way suggests that I promote relations with underage girls>>
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NoNamePerson
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Post by NoNamePerson on Aug 7, 2012 15:40:46 GMT -5
Lordy me, I have waded thru some of this thread and my head is gonna explode but I thought of this and had to post it. What I really want to post I will save for jokes thread!!!!!
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Post by Driftr on Aug 7, 2012 15:41:03 GMT -5
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 15:41:13 GMT -5
Sorry that my opinion offends you. I am just trying to determine the rules of the board - which is Mods can change other people's posts if they regret what is happening during a discussion, and the rest of us are ass-outta-luck. If my truth bombs are bothering you, feel free to not read this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 15:41:37 GMT -5
He's away, indefinitely. He's the only one who can authorize republication of his private comments. For what it's worth, if it will put the issue to rest, I will paraphrase: He felt (and I agree with him) that you, Ms. milee, were seeking to trap him. You had posited your question in such a way that if he had answered "the boys had nothing to do with it", you and others would have declared it evidence that he was a misogynist. In short, he believed (and I agree with him) that the question was engineered to further the stigma building against him, starting back on page 5 where several posters refer to his opinion as "disturbing", "sickening" (page 6), "disgusting" (page 6). Ms. raeoflyte openly calls him misogynistic, and laterbloomer posts the first in a series of posts whose content is so vitriolic that they are either deleted my mmhmm or use language like "WWBG is using the language that abusers use". This being the only thing in his mind at the time, he was understandably inclined to post something that wouldn't give you free license to smear him as a misogynist. He cares about your perception of him, for reasons that elude me, and he didn't want to fall into the trap. With this in mind, he hastily replied with precisely what he knew you didn't want to hear, not giving any serious thought to the implications of what he was saying. This was his error. And, admittedly, this last part is my own perception: Minutes later, in the midst of the unprecedented hysterical blowback in which he was called every name in the book, he realized what he'd said, how it had been interpreted, and he did everything in his human power to retract the statement. As we all know this was an ill-conceived idea from the first, because frankly he could have gutted himself and presented his entrails in tribute to you and various other thread participants and you still wouldn't have considered it a fitting penance. If you're insulted by that assessment, so be it. You claim blaming the victim is wrong. With everything said against him in that thread, WWBG is the victim, as far as I'm concerned. Just as being intolerant of intolerance does not make the person intolerance, judging a person who is blaming children for adult's actions, does not make that person a victim. And I was one of the people who felt and stated that his comments were disgusting. He then, instead of looking at them and rephrasing, he chose to make them worse. Then Milee tried to show a real life example, he then, knowing responded, with a comment that was designed to upset people more. And for the record, stating that he is using "language that abusers use", was a fact, and should have stated. His response should not have been to flip out and get worse, but to stop, read that, and think. And no the response was not a "unprecedented hysterical blowback", it was a reasonable, expected response based on his comments. In fact, many of his comments would be reasonable cause for a discussion with a cop, if done in person, and police office overheard, especially if he was near a child. And we have stated what was wanted, he and you, do not want that to happen. And Virgil, if you don't find what he said offensive, that is something you need to start looking at for yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 15:41:41 GMT -5
The worst thing you can do on a message board is to not own your opinions. Once the masses smell the blood of a waffler they are viscous and hungry. Even if you say something that some people disagree with, as long as you own it, they can't get you. but the mods can get you...especially if what you say happens to disagree with their opinions. not that that situation would ever happen here...but on other message boards... <<this post in no way suggests that I promote relations with underage girls>> better to be taken down because you are strong versus torn apart because you are weak.
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Taxman10
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 7, 2012 15:42:03 GMT -5
If WWBG is punished in any way, I'm leaving the forum. Iff WWBG is punished, MMC leaves, Dark doesn't get his clutch fixed and Loop's job falls through...then I'm going to do 20 push ups. <<this post in no way suggests that I promote relations with underage girls>>
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milee
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Post by milee on Aug 7, 2012 15:42:40 GMT -5
Actually.. no, not ready to step away yet. I think there are several people here who have stepped over the line. Personally I think Milee, Thyme, Gin, and now Loop (to name a few) have really gone way overboard. Seriously get over it.... Personally I'm finding the treatment here uglier than anything that was said in that thread. There is nothing ugly about asking for equitable treatment. There is nothing ugly about asking that a person answer for their own words. There is nothing ugly about respectful disagreement.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 15:43:20 GMT -5
But not until I drag my wife on here and we make a fool of ourselves.
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Driftr
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Post by Driftr on Aug 7, 2012 15:43:42 GMT -5
Sorry that my opinion offends you. I am just trying to determine the rules of the board - which is Mods can change other people's posts if they regret what is happening during a discussion, and the rest of us are ass-outta-luck. If my truth bombs are bothering you, feel free to not read this thread. I admit this thread is moving fast and I may have missed it, but I thought I saw at least two mods say that if one of us asked to have our words removed from someone else's post, they'd do it.
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hoops902
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Post by hoops902 on Aug 7, 2012 15:43:42 GMT -5
Actually.. no, not ready to step away yet. I think there are several people here who have stepped over the line. Personally I think Milee, Thyme, Gin, and now Loop (to name a few) have really gone way overboard. Seriously get over it.... Personally I'm finding the treatment here uglier than anything that was said in that thread. There is nothing ugly about asking for equitable treatment. There is nothing ugly about asking that a person answer for their own words. There is nothing ugly about respectful disagreement. If you're claiming to not be ugly I think we need a photo. As someone known for being fair and impartial I will act as judge.
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Loopdilou
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Post by Loopdilou on Aug 7, 2012 15:43:54 GMT -5
It's cute how you still think I listen to you when you talk. You have me there
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Taxman10
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 7, 2012 15:44:23 GMT -5
But not until I drag my wife on here and we make a fool of ourselves. LMAO!! <<water on the monitor>> <<this post in no way suggests that I promote relations with underage girls>>
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