Thank you all.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Thanks.

Sil read the texts to me last night. The thing is, dn#6 made some good points, which sil fails to see. Some of dn#6s points were really off base though.

And I haven't been living in this mess, day to day. So what I think and feel is based on limited and biased knowledge. I know that.

I truly believe they are in a horrendous cycle of negative feedback with each other.

Oh and whomever suggested that dn#6 spending time with us may hurt and help her; I think you nailed that bigtime. Dn#6 didn't mention us specifically but there were hints of it in the texts. I've decided not to take any of it personally because she was lashing out at sil and trying to hurt her. I doubt dn#6 thinks about us a whole lot.

[taz157]

Do you have any idea what started DN#6's downward spiral?  How long as DN#6 lived with SIL and BIL since DN#6 was adopted.  If I remember, DN#6 is currently 16.  Do you know the background of why she was placed for adoption?

Overall, I've very sorry to read about the DN#6 saga as I had hoped it would get better versus worse.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Bio mom was a junkie. No one knows who bio dad is, much less where he is now.

Dh and I both recall being told dn#6 was born with trace amounts of drugs and alcohol in her system. Bil and sil say they weren't told that. But they'd have been our source...

Dn#6 was a baby when they first got visitation to see her. They had increasing visitation until perm. placement, around 18 months of age. I think adoption was finalized around th ed age of 3 or so.

Sil and bil are white. Dn#6 is African American. One of dn#6s texts to sil was about feeling white around family but black outside the house. To be honest, in this day, in this city, under these circumstances, I think that's kinda normal. And while sil dealt as best she could with hair and skin care, I'm not sure anything deeper than that was addressed.

Dn#6 has a flock of diagnosises like adhd and attachment disorder and possible ocd. Definitely more than I can recall at any rate. I think her first round of in house treatment started around 6 years ago. I remember taking the kids to visit her on the locked ward at the children's mental rehab place because we were encouraging my son to stagger towards her as he was learning to walk. He'll be 7 next month.

Sil and bil have their own issues as well. Sil has a family history of serious mental issues. Bil has some family history as well but not to the same extent. He's got issues with anger and alcohol. To the best of my knowledge he's never hit either of them but he's punched walls, etc.

I honestly do not blame dn#6 for wanting out of that house.

[taz157]

I don't blame DN#6 for wanting out of the house either.  I really hope DN#6 wises up sooner rather than later and before she does something that will have lifelong ramifications.  

[Wisconsin Beth]

Sept 19, 2016 8:38:06 GMT -5 taz157 said:

I don't blame DN#6 for wanting out of the house either.  I really hope DN#6 wises up sooner rather than later and before she does something that will have lifelong ramifications.  

Yeah, it kinda sounds like she may be living with her bio sisters, some of whom are feeding her misinformation. My understanding is that a grandmother fostered three of them so I assume they are assuming fostering and adoption are identical circumstances but there are diffetences. I base this on some of the texts. But it's still a lot of assuming on my part.

Yeah, she's already had some bad experiences when she was gone earlier this year. Which did leave some permanent damage.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Damage might not be the word. She's got herpes. I hope she's practising safe sex (she's 16, I assume she's having sex) but have no clue. I think she's a long term bc. At least that's my understanding.

[anciana]

I am so sorry, Beth. I caught up on what's been going on and it sounds like your DN#6 has had really difficult several months, more so than before. I know you love her and want what's best for her so it hurts to see her getting hurt like that. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like there's much you can do to help. Please, take care of yourself and your family first

[Wisconsin Beth]

Yeah, right now my focus is on negating the impact of this with my kids.

All I feel I can do is let her know the door to me is open, well, ajar is probably a more honest assessment.

[Wisconsin Beth]

I left v mail for Liz, stressing that this is not an emergency and what I'm looking for guidance with the kids on this.

I think she's off today.

I assume she'll call me tomorrow to set up an appointment.

[Wisconsin Beth]

I see Liz on Tuesday at 5pm. That knocks gym time on its ass but gym time will survive...

I'm admitting that I'm bummed about dh being sick. I really wanted to go out for dinner and drink frothy drinks. Dh is miserably sick and not up to it. Grocery shopping today took a lot out of him. But I'm disappointed. I'll get over it but right now I'm sulking about it while I cook.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Well, I talked Liz about both kids and dn#6 last night.

Barring any observed changes, I'm not worrying too much about C and her. He's not as emotionally invested with her as K is. If this was nephew #3, it'd be about C. It's not that he doesn't love dn#6 but he's younger and the relationship is, to my eyes and ears, more superficial. And that's fine.

With K, the worry is how fast she went from crying about not seeing dn#6 to not showing much emotion about her at all. I probably missed my window to talk about it with her. But Liz thinks I should try.

I think I'm going to ask the kids if they want to draw pictures for dn#6 and I can take pictures of them and message them to dn#6 or just post them on her wall. I'm leaning toward pming but she may not actually look at them. Whereas the wall opens a door dn#6 may not want open. And may slam shut painfully for K.

Dn#6 is still in our bedtime prayer list. Once we stick someone on there, K tends to keep them there.

Liz also suggested talking to the kids' teachers and/or school guidance counselors, on the theory that more ears to listen for potential problems is better.

Conferences are in a couple of weeks so we'll probably try to address then, with email to reinforce since the teachers get a lot tossed at them and can't remember everything.

[Wisconsin Beth]

I've been nagging at my mom to have the kids overnight. She'd told the kids that they couldn't stay over in SD umber due to ait conditioning concerns and it'd have to be in fall. Well, it's fall.

I told dh and he asked if we're going out of town. I told him no. We're doing a water park with the kids sometime between now and Christmas and since he's concerned about money, that means no trip for us.

I'm still not convinced that work isn't going to suddenly need me to attend a conference in November. It's looking much less likely I admit.

[Wisconsin Beth]

I think I need to get put back on happy pills or something.  I feel so grey and down in the dumps right now. 

I'm going to the gym twice a week and I'm actually down 6-7 lbs.  But I have no sex drive.  And I just don't feel right. 

[taz157]

Oct 19, 2016 14:52:39 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

I think I need to get put back on happy pills or something.  I feel so grey and down in the dumps right now. 

I'm going to the gym twice a week and I'm actually down 6-7 lbs.  But I have no sex drive.  And I just don't feel right. 

When did you go off the happy pills? Congrats on the losing the weight, but sorry about the no sex drive or not feeling right.

[Wisconsin Beth]

I'm not sure, three years ago maybe? Fall is problematic with the less daylight.

I should probably start taking vitamin D again. Can't hurt at any rate.

[ners]

Wisconsin Beth Hugs.  I think you are correct a increasing vitamin d could not hurt.

[Wisconsin Beth]

I took a vitamin D, 2000 whatevers dose.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Assorted updates that I think I forgot to share.

We had parent teacher conferences.  K is doing great.  No math grades because the only test they had prior to the conference the teacher didn't have a grade.  We're assuming it was on the days she was home sick.  No biggie as she generally gets math.  Her reading out loud skills are slightly under par. 

C is doing ok.  He's quiet in class, which the teacher appreciates (just wait, in a couple of months he'll relax, based on the last 2 years) but he also needs a LOT of hand holding and steps repeated by the teacher, which she's doesn't appreciate as much because she's got like 23 kids and limited time.  DH thinks part of this is C's fear of forgetting stuff.  I think part of it is that he's not getting it.  Every so often a homework/task come home and shows he clearly doesn't know the German words they've been working on.  So we're trying to be more proactive at home. 

And he's going to get another year of speech therapy.  That teacher is going to incorporate Star Wars into her teaching, esp. after we talked about his pronunciation of the Millennium Falcon. 

We talked with both regular teachers about the situation with DN#6 so they have some knowledge, just in case.  I think K heard us because the next day after school she mentioned missing DN#6.  So she and I talked a bit about that and we agreed that she'll draw some pictures and we'll post them on DN#6's FB.  I messaged DN#6 asking if she wanted them on her wall or preferred them to be private messages. 

My Aunt's cancer is no longer holding steady.  They think she's not got 3 different cancers growing and it's just a matter of time (like under 6 months time.)  Her family is doing ok.  Her kids are all grown and have been making sure their kids see her (my cousins have kids ranging from younger than mine to early 30s) and stuff like that.  My Mom is going to be heartbroken when her sister passes.  This is the sister she's closest to.  They used to talk on the phone for 1-2 hours a day, every day, when they were both sahm in the 70s. 

My Dad is getting hearing aids.  Yay!  And a colonoscopy.  Boo.  Apparently he doesn't need to come off his blood thinners for that. 

Mom and Dad want to come see K's gymnastics practice.  I think it's part curiosity and part support.  They've always done their best to attend games that the grandkids are in.  They don't want to not do that to my kids because they're 10 years younger than the rest of them.  I think too, they're happy this will be indoors.  They've looked a LOT of time outdoors for soccer in the last 2 decades. 

DH knows I'm thinking about going back on the happy pills.  And I keep forgetting to take the vitamin D.

He's really worried about money right now.  We've been spending like drunken sailors and it needs to be reined in.  Our credit card company called to ask if we'd charged anything in Germany.  Nope.  Cards are cancelled and new should arrive soon.  In the meantime, no online buying. 

DH's ATM card expired at the end of Sept.  He got the new card but it's lost in the house somewhere.  Since I was at the bank earlier this week, I started the process to get him a new one.  He wanted to keep looking for it and so wasn't happy with me.  Well, I'd ripped apart the living room and kitchen so it's not in those rooms.  If it's in our room or the office, good luck with that. 

We've got a bunch of people coming over on Sunday for C's 7th b-day party.  C picked out a Star Wars cake.  But the house is a pit.  So we get to clean like demons on Sat.  But  Itold the kids I'd take them to the gym pool tonight so I'm not sure what all will get done tonight. 

[Wisconsin Beth]

C's party went well.  I think the last folks cleared about around 545pm, so everyone was gone after 3 hrs.  My family LIKES short parties, mostly.  The kids who came are in high school or college and have jobs and sports.  Party was to start at 3.  Once everyone was there, we had C rip open presents and once the teenagers built one of his Legos, we had cake.  And then the exodus started.  LOL.  IT works.  K still had homework to do too. 

[Wisconsin Beth]

In other news, DN#6 hasn't blocked me on FB.  We were actually pming/inboxing on Sat. night.  K wanted to draw a picture for DN#6.  I wanted to know if she wanted it posted on her wall on FB or messaged privately.  She answered and we chatted briefly.  I avoided all the elephants in the room like crazy because my sole purpose is to not have K cry about her.  I can't stand it when K cries, esp. when I can't do anything about it. 

On Sunday, I found out that my FIL and I are the only 2 known family members not blocked from FB by DN#6.  And FIL would like to block her but someone (MIL maybe?) talked him out of it.  SIL said a couple of friends are not blocked and are giving her updates.  I mentioned that DN#6 had actually answered me and we'd chatted the night before.  Ended up letting SIL read it.  There's not much there, really.  (DN#6 said she's well, asked about the kids and how we were doing and I put pictures of K's pink and purple walls and pink ceiling fan.  I said goodnight and 6 hours later she wished me a good night.)   And I mentioned to SIL that I hadn't wanted to invite DN#6 to the party because a. she wouldn't come and b. I didn't want to give her a time when SIL and BIL would be gone from their house as DN#6 broke in once already.  SIL went off on a rant of sorts.  Basically said I should invite DN#6 over for Thanksgiving and/or Christmas and then call the cops discretely.  Keep her there until the cops come and let them do their job.  The thing is, I feel this is a nuclear type option.  When DN#6 get out/released, she will not want any communication with me.  And I'll have a DD who wants to talk to her cousin and can't.  And will cry.  See 1st paragraph.  

I guess I'm trying to play a long or balancing game here.  Enough contact with DN#6 so that K can communicate with her and hold a door back to the family open a crack.  And not enough contact that DN#6 can influence K and C into following her example of bad and lousy decision making.  I don't want to get sucked into her daily life.  And I see no point in lecturing her because she's not going to listen to me.  She does have a fondness for my kids.  I'm not above using that fondness to make sure she's alive and ok. 

But I'm also not sure that DH's family, including SIL and BIL want that door open a crack.  I do though.  For me, for K and C and for DN#6.  I need to talk to DH about this too.  We haven't had much of a chance to talk lately and I feel/hope/assume that he's trusting me to get this mostly right.  I'll be honest, I'm not sure he much cares if DN#6 is in our lives or not.  I'm also not much sure if he'd care if any of my nieces and nephews were in our lives or not either.  I have 8 of them, from ages 16-24 or so, they're mostly adulting nicely so we see them at parties a couple times a year. 

On Monday, I asked DN#6 is she had a new phone number and if she's give it to me so I don't text some random stranger trying to get to her.  She said she'd look up the number and pass it on.  I replied today with my number and told her to text me if that's easier.  I may or may not get an actual number out of her. 

[Wisconsin Beth]

DN#6 was picked up by the cops last week, I think Thursday night.  I'm told she was in a car full of kids in a suburban town.  The driver got pulled over, the cop ran everyone's name.  DN#6 is using her biological mother's last name now and that's not in the system anywhere.  So the cop came back, asked her real name and ran her again.  Got the 'runaway, detain when found' order and may or may not have gotten other warrants (the terminology SIL uses is not necessarily correct so while there are additional charges/probation issues with DN#6, I'm not positive there are actually active warrants out for her)

SIL called me on Friday to talk.  Court was Friday morning to determine what happens.  SIL can't deal with DN#6 at home right now.  BIL wants, well, basically he wants to destroy any hope of a life for her by posting stuff that shouldn't be posted.  But apparently he's not willing to do it himself and is pushing SIL to do it instead.  So far she's refusing.  She's not in a good place right now. 

Court sent DN#6 to juvie for 30 days and is going to try to place her out of the county.  Which is good and bad.  Google "Lincoln Hills Wisconsin abuse" for an understanding of why I have concerns about out of county...  SIL says visitation is immediate family only, which lets us out.  SIL is not sure if DN#6 can get mail or not. 

Knowing this, I told DD last night that DN#6 has been found; that we're not allowed to see her right now and I'm trying to find out about mail.  Smart DD asks 'oh, she's in prison then?"  Um, not exactly.  I skirted this for now.  But she accepted my answers.  She's distracted by Halloween right now. 

In other news, our new credit cards showed up and have been activated.  I need to update my Amazon account today. 

[finnime]

Wisconsin Beth, you are a compassionate aunt and very clearly a caring mother. The struggles your DN has would be hellish at any age. Good for you, your DN and your DD, that you are thoughtfully working out how to move ahead.

For your mood and related not-girlish-glee concerns, happy pills seem to me to be a good choice. They've helped you before without much (any?) down sides. Makes sense to do what has worked before.

[Wisconsin Beth]

BEth gives massive hug to finnime.  You have no idea how badly I needed to "hear" all of that right now. 

[busymom]

Beth, I hadn't read your thread in awhile, and am SO sorry to hear of what your family is going through with DN. Hopefully during her "30 days" she'll get some much-needed counseling. Remember, you can't "save" other people, as much as you'd like to. (My MIL taught me that one, when one of DH's brothers was getting into trouble.) You just have to let them figure it out on their own, but know it's hard "waiting for the light to come on".

And, no worries on taking any medication.  If it helps, why not? 

[bean29]

Beth,

Like FINME, I think you are a wonderful Mother and a compassionate Aunt. I think you are handling the relationship with DN appropriately, but the guidance I would look for would be from Liz, or other professional types.

I would discuss this with DH, but I would not necessarily do as he says...my DH and I don't always see eye to eye, I think of it as a Women are from Mars, Men are from Venus kind of thing.  My DH has a bleeding heart, and is a sucker for helping the downtrodden. He will say he is not going to help someone, and then they will cry the blues to him and he will help them out. There have been times in the past that both DH and I have funded the same people's issues separately without knowing it. I let go of my need to have DH do as I say, and got to a point where I listen and allow him to make a decision on these issues-- that I may not agree with. He does the same for me, so I will get a BTW, I gave $$ to so and so...(the other day it was oh BTW, I sent XYZ$ to so and so's campaign, so if they ask you for money don't send any).

My DH has a DN that is a drug addict.  He is in rehab, doing ok now I think.  His Ex GF and baby momma was on my FB friend's list and I never unfriended her when they broke up, thinking that I could keep a distant eye on her.  We just kept up a friendly banter around her doings with her son.  She had successfully gone through rehab and regained custody of her son, unfortunately, she relapsed and Od'd last month.  My DN is now trying to get custody...but he has never been able to stay clean like she did, so idk.  Several of my SIL's and my DD were still friends with this girl.  I have my DN on my friends list as do many family members, including both my kids.  I would keep up a non-judgmental friendship with DN, and try to direct her to professional help as you would an adult...she is rejecting the parenting from her Mother, I imagine she sees herself as an independent adult. 

What is wrong with your DH?  I know he has digestive issues, but unsure if it is gluten intolerance or something like Crohn's disease?  how is he doing now?  I know both of you were looking around for different jobs - anything going on with that?

[Wisconsin Beth]

Coming off the meds sucked.  Not for side effects but the "cut pill in half, take 1/2" finish bottle (30 pills, so 60 days), go on lower dose and then "cut pill in half" and again, 30 pills, 60 days.  It took forever and I think I rebelled when they were telling me to cut a 5 milligram dose in half. 

[Wisconsin Beth]

Nov 1, 2016 10:20:49 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Beth,

Like FINME, I think you are a wonderful Mother and a compassionate Aunt. I think you are handling the relationship with DN appropriately, but the guidance I would look for would be from Liz, or other professional types.

I would discuss this with DH, but I would not necessarily do as he says...my DH and I don't always see eye to eye, I think of it as a Women are from Mars, Men are from Venus kind of thing.  My DH has a bleeding heart, and is a sucker for helping the downtrodden. He will say he is not going to help someone, and then they will cry the blues to him and he will help them out. There have been times in the past that both DH and I have funded the same people's issues separately without knowing it. I let go of my need to have DH do as I say, and got to a point where I listen and allow him to make a decision on these issues-- that I may not agree with. He does the same for me, so I will get a BTW, I gave $$ to so and so...(the other day it was oh BTW, I sent XYZ$ to so and so's campaign, so if they ask you for money don't send any).

My DH has a DN that is a drug addict.  He is in rehab, doing ok now I think.  His Ex GF and baby momma was on my FB friend's list and I never unfriended her when they broke up, thinking that I could keep a distant eye on her.  We just kept up a friendly banter around her doings with her son.  She had successfully gone through rehab and regained custody of her son, unfortunately, she relapsed and Od'd last month.  My DN is now trying to get custody...but he has never been able to stay clean like she did, so idk.  Several of my SIL's and my DD were still friends with this girl.  I have my DN on my friends list as do many family members, including both my kids.  I would keep up a non-judgmental friendship with DN, and try to direct her to professional help as you would an adult...she is rejecting the parenting from her Mother, I imagine she sees herself as an independent adult. 

What is wrong with your DH?  I know he has digestive issues, but unsure if it is gluten intolerance or something like Crohn's disease?  how is he doing now?  I know both of you were looking around for different jobs - anything going on with that?

Yeah, Liz basically gave me what guidance she could when DN#6 was a runaway.  I'm not sure she's really got anything else for me, at least on managing K's relationship with DN#6.

DH, well, I'm not actually sure what he'd prefer on this whole mess.  I suspect that if we didn't have the kids, he'd just let the relationship drop.  He's not a FB guy.  And he's not much of a phone or text guy either.  I am damn sure he'd not be reaching out to her, because it wouldn't occur to him.  I also suspect he's really happy to leave me to do most of the navigating though this and to follow, more or less, where I lead.  If he sees a pitfall I haven't considered, he'll point it out. 

DN#6 may or may not be using drugs.  I suspect she's done pot based on FB post. 

I did email Children's Court to ask about mailing drawings to DN#6. We'll see if I get any answers before her 30 days are up...

He's doing OK.  Thanks for asking!  He avoids gluten and dairy, per his doctor's suggestion.  It's not an allergy but his digestive system is NOT happy when he eats either one.  His reactions start with cramps and go from there.  It's been about 5 years so we've gotten used to handling it. 

He's job hunting.  He's been getting confusing signals from big hospital located next to Children's but is going to submit a resume for a 3rd job with them anyway.  They've got great benefits and the jobs in his area range from average sounding to interesting to him so he's willing to play along with them for now. 

[bean29]

Nov 1, 2016 11:12:25 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

Nov 1, 2016 10:20:49 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Beth,

Like FINME, I think you are a wonderful Mother and a compassionate Aunt. I think you are handling the relationship with DN appropriately, but the guidance I would look for would be from Liz, or other professional types.

I would discuss this with DH, but I would not necessarily do as he says...my DH and I don't always see eye to eye, I think of it as a Women are from Mars, Men are from Venus kind of thing.  My DH has a bleeding heart, and is a sucker for helping the downtrodden. He will say he is not going to help someone, and then they will cry the blues to him and he will help them out. There have been times in the past that both DH and I have funded the same people's issues separately without knowing it. I let go of my need to have DH do as I say, and got to a point where I listen and allow him to make a decision on these issues-- that I may not agree with. He does the same for me, so I will get a BTW, I gave $$ to so and so...(the other day it was oh BTW, I sent XYZ$ to so and so's campaign, so if they ask you for money don't send any).

My DH has a DN that is a drug addict.  He is in rehab, doing ok now I think.  His Ex GF and baby momma was on my FB friend's list and I never unfriended her when they broke up, thinking that I could keep a distant eye on her.  We just kept up a friendly banter around her doings with her son.  She had successfully gone through rehab and regained custody of her son, unfortunately, she relapsed and Od'd last month.  My DN is now trying to get custody...but he has never been able to stay clean like she did, so idk.  Several of my SIL's and my DD were still friends with this girl.  I have my DN on my friends list as do many family members, including both my kids.  I would keep up a non-judgmental friendship with DN, and try to direct her to professional help as you would an adult...she is rejecting the parenting from her Mother, I imagine she sees herself as an independent adult. 

What is wrong with your DH?  I know he has digestive issues, but unsure if it is gluten intolerance or something like Crohn's disease?  how is he doing now?  I know both of you were looking around for different jobs - anything going on with that?

Yeah, Liz basically gave me what guidance she could when DN#6 was a runaway.  I'm not sure she's really got anything else for me, at least on managing K's relationship with DN#6.

DH, well, I'm not actually sure what he'd prefer on this whole mess.  I suspect that if we didn't have the kids, he'd just let the relationship drop.  He's not a FB guy.  And he's not much of a phone or text guy either.  I am damn sure he'd not be reaching out to her, because it wouldn't occur to him.  I also suspect he's really happy to leave me to do most of the navigating though this and to follow, more or less, where I lead.  If he sees a pitfall I haven't considered, he'll point it out. 

DN#6 may or may not be using drugs.  I suspect she's done pot based on FB post. 

I did email Children's Court to ask about mailing drawings to DN#6. We'll see if I get any answers before her 30 days are up...

He's doing OK.  Thanks for asking!  He avoids gluten and dairy, per his doctor's suggestion.  It's not an allergy but his digestive system is NOT happy when he eats either one.  His reactions start with cramps and go from there.  It's been about 5 years so we've gotten used to handling it. 

He's job hunting.  He's been getting confusing signals from big hospital located next to Children's but is going to submit a resume for a 3rd job with them anyway.  They've got great benefits and the jobs in his area range from average sounding to interesting to him so he's willing to play along with them for now. 

Well, I can relate to your DH's issues, as I have to avoid Dairy and Corn.  Sometimes I wonder if I have gluten issues too, but I just don't want to face up to it, so I pretend it is not an issue.  If I eat the wrong thing, I will need to be in the bathroom pdq. 

I toy with apply for a job with them too.  They are building a clinic in my city and it would reduce my commute down to 10 minutes from 45 minutes to an hour.  On a positive note, with the changes in the Zoo interchange (ramp from 894 to 94 west open, zipper lane closed) I made it from home to work in all of a half hour this am (normal AM commute is a minimum of 45 minutes to an hour).

[Wisconsin Beth]

He's got a phone interview this week. He's excited for it. So go DH!

On to other news, we booked the Dells for the 20th -21st. Kids don't know yet. We got one of the condo things in Glacier Canyon for $149 per night. It's about $30 per night more but with the kitchen we eliminate a dinner and lunch out. We're going out one night for dinner. And I drink lots of margaritas there dd so it's still not cheap.

Friday night we went to Cheesecake Factory for dinner. My phone rings and it's sil. I looked at dh, said I'm not up to this and didn't answer. Get a text a couple minutes later. And then another call. Took the call. Turns out that dn#6 was "told" by an unknown to me source, that she could be released to a family member until her placement comes in. She thought of us or mil and fil. So sil is frantically contacting us to make sure we say no if the court calls on Monday.

[Knee Deep in Water Chloe]

What pills were you taking? I take a generic prozac. It's for my unreasonable anxiety. 


Good luck with your navigating the family situation.