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Post by burnsattornincan on May 16, 2011 7:07:27 GMT -5
If I am paying rent how is it on the taxpayers dime. I am renting the place for the event. Its not on your dime. Grow some sense Mr. Dalton Mcguinty Burns.
You never said anything about "paying rent" or I missed it. If that is the case then that is different. I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a group paying rent to the city to reserve a public venue that is supposed to be open to all but if that is what you did then fine.
You're right about me not really pointing to terrorism. I'm just one of the many (yes, there are many) who are tired of groups, not specifically Muslim, who come to this country and want to bring all their baggage with them. As far as I'm concerned you can pray all you want in your own space but don't expect to get special treatment like reserving a public pool because you don't want non-Muslims to see a woman in a bathing suit. I don't want to walk around and see mosques everywhere, this is not the Middle East.
If it ever gets to the point where real action will need to be taken you will see what I can do. I won't be subjugated by anyone.
Dalton McGuinty Burns III
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Post by deziloooooo on May 16, 2011 7:28:10 GMT -5
If I am paying rent how is it on the taxpayers dime. I am renting the place for the event. Its not on your dime. Grow some sense Mr. Dalton Mcguinty Burns.You never said anything about "paying rent" or I missed it. If that is the case then that is different. I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a group paying rent to the city to reserve a public venue that is supposed to be open to all but if that is what you did then fine. You're right about me not really pointing to terrorism. I'm just one of the many (yes, there are many) who are tired of groups, not specifically Muslim, who come to this country and want to bring all their baggage with them. As far as I'm concerned you can pray all you want in your own space but don't expect to get special treatment like reserving a public pool because you don't want non-Muslims to see a woman in a bathing suit. I don't want to walk around and see mosques everywhere, this is not the Middle East. If it ever gets to the point where real action will need to be taken you will see what I can do. I won't be subjugated by anyone. Dalton McGuinty Burns III If there are enough Muslims to support Mosques what difference is it if there more then one, same with other houses of worship. Why would you care if there was one or five in a city. When I lived in Texas, a town I lived in seemed to hav a different Church on every corner, some hugh things with all the out buildings, others more modest in size.. no one thought anything about them, may even had a mosque or two for all I knew. "If it ever gets to the point where real action will need to be taken you will see what I can do. I won't be subjugated by anyone" Haven't a clue what your referring about there, care to explain , possible others also feel the same as I , confused.
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Post by ssdawood on May 16, 2011 7:29:37 GMT -5
You mention paying rent in your own post read it again. Also how can someone deny entry in a public park, unless donation or rent was paid to the governing muncipality.
In good to know of your clear intentions, If you dont want to see Mosques every where than stop the immigration for all Muslims and deport Muslims but if you are going to toot the horn all over the world how America is the greatest where people from all religion are free to practice then I believe I am going to build Mosques.
Stop the Hypocrisy.
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Post by burnsattornincan on May 16, 2011 7:43:13 GMT -5
You mention paying rent in your own post read it again.
I don't do riddles very well. Did you pay rent to the city for the use of the pool, or not? You did not mention that before and now you say you did. So what was it?
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Post by ssdawood on May 16, 2011 7:49:05 GMT -5
Ofcourse money had to be exchanged in form of donation or a rent. There is no way I can walk into a public pool and close it doors to public. A lot of times heft donations are pledged to the town for renting the public property.
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Post by ssdawood on May 16, 2011 7:50:42 GMT -5
But its not only that you still have a problem with me buying property and building Mosques over it.
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Post by lakhota on May 16, 2011 8:20:21 GMT -5
Funny...
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Post by deziloooooo on May 16, 2011 8:55:12 GMT -5
Not sure how funny it is, more a comment of your "dumb ignorant post " and your feelings toward those of the Jewish faith, pretty sick and bigoted, but then again, good to know.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 16, 2011 8:59:30 GMT -5
Just curious dawood, did you see my questions regarding Muslims, possible you missed them, but if not , was wondering if you could answer them, unless, hard to believe but this AM one never knows, by what I thought was apparent but for some was not, my being Jewish, you possible might not be comfortable answering any questions of mine posed to you.
Sorry to bring it up, but stranger things have happened, hope not the case but if so, would like to clear the air. -------------------------------------------------- In case you missed the post: ---------------------------------------------------- dawood I have a few questions if your up for them,and still here .
Christians and Jews , some are very observant...the majority , in my experience, are not. They feel they are followers of , yet on certain dogma, where they don't agree, they basically just scroll by and still feel they are of their faith. I can give many examples , but I beleive all the readers here will agree and know this is true.
For some reason, ignorance on my part, just never have gotten into discussions on beliefs with one who is of the Muslim faith, is this the same with many Muslims.
I am friendly with Mohammand who owns a convenience store up the street and where I pick up things in a rush, and have discussed some things with him, he is Pakistanian, Shia I believe, we discussed the feelings of the feelings of Shia and Sunni here in the USA , if different for most , vs back in their country's.. but over all my ignorance is great.
If you are active in using a Mosque for prayer, when the leader speaks, if you were not comfortable with his ideas, his teaching, his thoughts on certain topics, are you able, after the sermon, if it's called that, see how ignorant I am, to discuss, disagree with him, and still be welcome in that Mosque, or is it better to remain silent if you want to continue to worship there, and just disregard the part of his ideas you find are not correct, or better, just find another place, Mosque , to worship at.
The Koran, is it interpreted literally, no deviation, or have scholars discussed, studied and come out with interpretations of, as I know Jewish scholars have thus the Talmud , the laws and what the commandments and laws of Moses really mean in to days world. I believe one of the Muslim sects is more into that of interpreting of where the other takes the approach more a literal reading of the religious writings.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 16, 2011 9:57:55 GMT -5
Sharia is the religious rules according to Islam. We have separation of church and state here. Goodbye.
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Post by jarhead1976 on May 16, 2011 11:36:09 GMT -5
Jarhead I respect all the good men and women who defend my right, hence my post referring Mr. burns in a minority. I dint expect others to give up their own spirituality. I never said that. Mr. Burns is upset because somebody had a Muslim only event. My reply was there is no harm if someone wants to rent a venue for a Muslim only event. ....... Mr. Burns Is certainly not in the minority on this or other Islamic law issues you want established based on the freedoms offered you by the Constitution.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 16, 2011 11:43:51 GMT -5
ssdawood, Many good men and women defend your right to practice your freedom of religion. Practice in peace. Do not expect others to give up their own spirituality because it doesn't conforms to yours at the same time. I have not read anything by ssdawood where he has has told others they must give up their spirituality because it does not conform to his.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 11:57:29 GMT -5
SO-- did the Muslims rent the PUBLIC pool(s) that were shut down to all others?? Or did someone just decide that was okay? Does that mean there can be Christian only swim hours? That would be okay, right? They would not want to offend Muslims by showing their skin when they swim, right? Blackout on the windows in case Muslims were peeking in?? Yeah, like THAT would fly.......
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Post by jarhead1976 on May 16, 2011 12:04:13 GMT -5
ssdawood, Many good men and women defend your right to practice your freedom of religion. Practice in peace. Do not expect others to give up their own spirituality because it doesn't conforms to yours at the same time. I have not read anything by ssdawood where he has has told others they must give up their spirituality because it does not conform to his. Tennesseer ,It was just an opinion based on the thread title. One must understand sharia law. The objective of sharia law being to convert non believers.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 16, 2011 12:34:17 GMT -5
I have not read anything by ssdawood where he has has told others they must give up their spirituality because it does not conform to his. Tennesseer ,It was just an opinion based on the thread title. One must understand sharia law. The objective of sharia law being to convert non believers. ssdawwod did not state others had to give up their spirituality to accommodate his. As you don't wish to be lumped together with others so should you not lump others together too. A great way on your part to open dialog and understanding with those who are trying to open dialog and understanding with you. The one Muslim posting on the board and you and a few others feel the need to speak harshly to him.
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Post by ed1066 on May 16, 2011 12:40:31 GMT -5
Tennesseer ,It was just an opinion based on the thread title. One must understand sharia law. The objective of sharia law being to convert non believers. ssdawwod did not state others had to give up their spirituality to accommodate his. As you don't wish to be lumped together with others so should you not lump others together too. A great way on your part to open dialog and understanding with those who are trying to open dialog and understanding with you. The one Muslim posting on the board and you and a few others feel the need to speak harshly to him. Besides your self-declared role as "board muslim guardian", how do you know how many muslims are on the board?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 12:49:36 GMT -5
I was once on a anti- Mormon thread basically all alone as the only one that was pro-Mormon. For weeks I posted there. Not one person came to my defense. Wonder why... you remember that one, I'm sure, Tenn. We can ask whatever we choose of the seemingly Muslim person on the board.
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Post by jarhead1976 on May 16, 2011 13:28:16 GMT -5
Lets see I welcome him to "practice his faith in peace" and I am talking harsh ... I am a little rough around the edges but I don't see your point, Tenneeseer. Where I come from we defend our own point of view. Let him.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 16, 2011 13:40:30 GMT -5
ssdawwod did not state others had to give up their spirituality to accommodate his. As you don't wish to be lumped together with others so should you not lump others together too. A great way on your part to open dialog and understanding with those who are trying to open dialog and understanding with you. The one Muslim posting on the board and you and a few others feel the need to speak harshly to him. Besides your self-declared role as "board Muslim guardian", how do you know how many Muslims are on the board? Possible then, the one openly identified Muslim on the board? Better?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 17, 2011 15:13:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 15:58:18 GMT -5
Well, that pretty much answers the question, Paul. The Muslims here stay quiet about Muslim extremism because they cannot go against Islam, by Islamic law. And, yes, they are taking American kids and turning them into Muslim extremists. This country needs to wake up, like some other countries further along this path than we are are doing.
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Post by mmhmm on May 17, 2011 16:14:19 GMT -5
I was once on a anti- Mormon thread basically all alone as the only one that was pro-Mormon. For weeks I posted there. Not one person came to my defense. Wonder why... you remember that one, I'm sure, Tenn. We can ask whatever we choose of the seemingly Muslim person on the board. Not quite true, krickitt. I do recall the thread, and I recall speaking up against the beating you were taking, as I recall others doing. I couldn't speak up in defense of your ideas, however, as I know next to nothing about Mormon beliefs. I imagine others were in the same predicament.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 17, 2011 16:25:43 GMT -5
Lets see I welcome him to "practice his faith in peace" and I am talking harsh ... I am a little rough around the edges but I don't see your point, Tenneeseer. Where I come from we defend our own point of view. Let him. I think I received my answer, see my post # 262, it was the second time I posed some questions to him regarding topics on Islam that I would like to know more about, actually dealing with the Imam's , the interpretation of their Koran and other religious texts, but no answer either time, second time posted in case missed the first. Possible he left , not here to answer but I believe my beginning thought of a possible lack of a answer might be closer to the truth. I would really hope I was wrong there, to me, it would be, what's the word now, mmmmmmm , NUTS,. yep that would do it. Oh well...and we move on.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 16:34:26 GMT -5
Thx for having my back there, mmhmm. That thread was HORRIBLE!!!! I begged Mormon friends to come post, but they don't have time for stuff like this. If another starts because of Romney I will pass this time. LOL!!! I got beat up BAD!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 16:37:12 GMT -5
I don't think many Muslims will talk too publicly, Dez. They really can't. I wish you could fix your video feature so you could watch the above video.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 17, 2011 16:41:14 GMT -5
I don't think many Muslims will talk too publicly, Dez. They really can't. I wish you could fix your video feature so you could watch the above video. Me too , I thought that fix you gave me was it but sorry to say, not. I am thinking of bringing my Tower up to the mall..have them check it, possible add some memory and explain the problem, the kids up there are great and pretty reasonable,. Solved a major, major virus problem for me a few years ago and I know that I am missing out on all these videos, when one of you post them I just scroll now..
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 18:06:23 GMT -5
I know you have a few $$$$$. You should do it. You miss too much.
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Post by lakhota on May 18, 2011 19:39:19 GMT -5
Sponsor Of South Carolina Anti-Sharia Law Claims 99% Of Terrorist Acts Committed By MuslimsAt least a dozen states have proposed nearly identical laws designed to ban “Sharia law” in American courts. In South Carolina — despite the testimony of a law professor noting there is no evidence of Muslim traditions being imposed in judicial settings — a group of legislators have joined the anti-Sharia bandwagon and offered a bill. Earlier this month, ThinkProgress sat down with State Sen. Mike Fair (R-SC), the chief sponsor of the anti-Sharia legislation, to hear his views on the issue. Fair explained that although his inspiration for the bill stemmed from his fear of Muslim influence in America, it would prohibit all foreign laws from being used in American courts. Fair said he began worrying about the Sharia after 9/11, and said that after reading several books on Islam, he came to the conclusion that “99 percent” of terrorist acts since the Beirut Marine barracks bombing were carried out by “Middle Eastern men who happen to be Muslim advocates of the Islam religion.” He went on to say that he would not want to hear the Muslim prayer call made from the building of the South Carolina capitol, and was troubled that some airport already “accomodate Islam” by storing prayer shawls for Muslim taxi drivers Fair’s calculation, that nearly every single act of terrorism for the past couple of decades was committed by Muslim men, is off base. In reality, in the last ten years alone, nearly twice as many terrorist plots were hatched by non-Muslims in America than by Muslims. Even Fair admits that his bill doesn’t actually change anything and his examples of the Sharia threat are incredibly flimsy. Rather than protecting Americans from some type of creeping religious threat, Fair’s bill threatens to isolate and persecute a minority group that already faces regular smears from both public officials and right-wing media. More: thinkprogress.org/2011/05/18/michael-fair-sharia/
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Post by lakhota on May 20, 2011 18:12:34 GMT -5
Anti-Sharia Law: A Solution In Search Of A Problem NEW YORK (RNS) A discriminatory and wholly unfounded idea is taking root in state legislatures across the country: attempts to pass laws that would explicitly and unnecessarily ban state courts from applying or even considering Islamic, or Shariah, law. One of the first, and worst, of these was a state constitutional amendment approved last year by Oklahoma voters. That measure has been temporarily blocked by a federal court, and the American Civil Liberties Union and the Council on American-Islamic Relations are seeking to have the measure struck down permanently. The Oklahoma law, and others like it, contains prohibitions on "international law" and "foreign law," nonsensically conflating Shariah with foreign law. Other states, preferring not to wear their bigotry on their sleeves, don't mention Shariah law per se, instead referring only to bans on "international law." Their intent, however, is unmistakable. In addition to the ugly implication that anything Islamic is inherently un-American, these efforts are rooted in the baseless idea that U.S. Muslims wish to impose Islamic law on American courts. Proponents of these misguided measures, which have been introduced in 25 states so far, clearly seek to ride the recent wave of anti-Muslim bias in this country. Supporters would have us believe that these laws are designed to uphold the Constitution. In reality, these measures distort the protections already provided by the Constitution in ways that harm the rights of individuals, faith communities and businesses. Rather than strengthen the Constitution, these measures violate religious freedom and undermine the independence of our courts. Laws like the Oklahoma amendment ignore the fact that there are instances -- such as in the execution of a will, or a dispute over religious property -- that require civil courts to consult religious law. Our existing legal system is well-equipped to determine when courts may properly reference religious law, and also when doing so would cross the line. Banning the consideration of a particular faith's laws entirely is not only discriminatory, but also impractical. More: www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/20/anti-sharia-law-a-solutio_n_864389.html
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Post by lakhota on May 29, 2011 2:26:41 GMT -5
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