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Post by ssdawood on May 29, 2011 8:16:45 GMT -5
I think all the people on this boards have things mixed up. The title of the thread is Islamophobia: Whos afraid of Sharia law.
There should be no Islamophobia as Sharia law will never be implemented in this country. There is separation of church and state. I learned that in first grade and so did my other Muslim friends. Still lot of people believe that Muslims are trying to impose Sharia law. Alot of Muslims dont want Sharia law hence they moved here. If they wanted Sharia law they could have moved to Islamic countries.
Even if Some Muslims want to impose Sharia law it will never happen. So this whole thread is absurd and wrong to begin with.
Now coming to the other side of the discussion, I just want to let everybody know that some posters just dont like Muslims. It has nothing against some Muslims being terrorist. They just dont like Muslims or Islam. Which is fine I respect their opinion , I was taught to respect other people opinion. But what I dont agree is posters arguing how Muslims are terrorists etc when in reality they dont like Muslims.
Nothing I say or do will change their belief. Not to pick on one poster but Miss Krickett the other day just called Mohammed as a mass murderer and a rapist. Now thats just hate. I am pretty sure Christianity didnt teach her that. What do I talk to a person or How do I talk to a person who just flat out attacks me and my religion. But even then its Ok ( Freedom of speech) I understand but then its the same Miss Krickett who says that American Muslims are quiet they dont condemn terrorism.
We do , we condemn terrorism but Miss Krickett will never find out because I dont think any Muslim would want to talk to her after her attack on religion.
Now the other point is Muslim having a Muslim only event. Its more common than we think. There is a town called Kiryas Joel within a town. Its a Jewish town, they have their own School, Hospital and even Police force. The Amish live in their own towns. But Muslims should not have a Muslim only event. We dont even want to live in our own town. We want to assimilate ( just for the record I do go swimming with my non Muslim friends) but suppose if we do have a Muslim only event its not because we dont like non Muslims.
But a lot of posters hate Muslims period, not the actions of few.
I read this forum everyday and everyday I read hatred about me and my religion. I still read it to understand why so much hatred against me. I am also recomend everyone of my Muslim and my non Muslim friends to read this forum so that they can understand Some people dont like Muslims just as some Muslims are full of hatred.
It has nothing to do with religion.
Krickett I hope you feel better, I know you are in a lot of pain.
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Post by mmhmm on May 29, 2011 9:26:54 GMT -5
That's the crux of the matter, dawood. Hatred like this stems from ignorance. It's sad to see it so blatantly exposed, but it's been there all along. Some are determined to hate that which they don't understand. I've known enough wonderful Muslim families to know different. We're all just people, living our lives. While terrorists exist, all of any religion, or creed, are not terrorists. I truly believe most people know this.
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Post by privateinvestor on May 29, 2011 9:35:23 GMT -5
But a lot of posters hate Muslims period, not the actions of few.
I read this forum everyday and everyday I read hatred about me and my religion. I still read it to understand why so much hatred against me. I am also recommend everyone of my Muslim and my non Muslim friends to read this forum so that they can understand Some people dont like Muslims just as some Muslims are full of hatred.
It has nothing to do with religion.
How about addressing the subject of all the Muslims who hate Christains and Jews?? I knew Muslims who told me their reasons for hatred of Americans was because of our support for Israel...but as I mentioned previously that was a long time ago but I think that is still prevalent today with Muslims
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Post by ssdawood on May 29, 2011 10:05:46 GMT -5
But a lot of posters hate Muslims period, not the actions of few.
I read this forum everyday and everyday I read hatred about me and my religion. I still read it to understand why so much hatred against me. I am also recommend everyone of my Muslim and my non Muslim friends to read this forum so that they can understand Some people dont like Muslims just as some Muslims are full of hatred.
It has nothing to do with religion.How about addressing the subject of all the Muslims who hate Christains and Jews?? I knew Muslims who told me their reasons for hatred of Americans was because of our support for Israel...but as I mentioned previously that was a long time ago but I think that is still prevalent today with Muslims Why do I have to address the subject of all Muslims who hate Jews or Christians. Suppose you are a christian I am not going to ask you why some Christians hate Muslims or some Jews hate Muslims. Unless you really believe that all Muslims hate Jews and Christians then in that case nothing I say will change your mind.
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Post by ssdawood on May 29, 2011 10:11:01 GMT -5
And on that comment about Muslims hating Americans , How can I , an American Muslim hate Americans, I might not agree with some policies but in no way can I hate my fellow countrymen.
So the Muslim who responded that they hate Americans maybe their answer was politically focused. And when he said that he hated me as much he hated you.
Dont forget a lot of Muslim countries are our allies.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 29, 2011 10:11:37 GMT -5
ssdawood-keep posting and reading here. Not everyone here dislike Muslims simply because they are Muslim. There are good and bad people in every group regardless of religion, race, ethnicity, etc..
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Post by ssdawood on May 29, 2011 10:17:27 GMT -5
ssdawood-keep posting and reading here. Not everyone here dislike Muslims simply because they are Muslim. There are good and bad people in every group regardless of religion, race, ethnicity, etc.. Tenn I know that and I will never be so dumb or ignorant to believe my fellow Americans hate me for my religion. But the truth is some do and always will. Also on a side not I think you should refrain from talking to me or else some posters will think you have a Muslim bias lol
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Post by mmhmm on May 29, 2011 10:17:41 GMT -5
I think the reason some Christians and Jews hate Muslims is the same as the reason some Muslims hate Christians and Jews. It's all about ignorance.
I had a friend in Saudi Arabia who was sent to Houston on business. He'd never been to the United States before and was a bit concerned about what he might encounter. He was gone for nearly a month. When he got back, I got a call. He wanted to talk to me about something very important. I went to his office expecting something related to our work. Not so! He wanted to tell me about having met a Jewish woman in a crowded coffee bar. They'd struck up a conversation over cups of coffee. It ended with the Jewish woman inviting Ali to her home to have dinner with her family. Ali accepted the invitation and had a wonderful time with the family. He wanted to tell me something he thought was earth-shattering: "You know, Jews are really very nice people!"
He'd been ignorant, purely and simply. He learned, and benefited from the lesson. Everything we read in our newpapers, or hear from our misinformed peers isn't necessarily true. It was a real breakthrough for Ali, and a bit of a happy chuckle for me.
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Post by mmhmm on May 29, 2011 10:19:44 GMT -5
ssdawood-keep posting and reading here. Not everyone here dislike Muslims simply because they are Muslim. There are good and bad people in every group regardless of religion, race, ethnicity, etc.. Tenn I know that and I will never be so dumb or ignorant to believe my fellow Americans hate me for my religion. But the truth is some do and always will. Also on a side not I think you should refrain from talking to me or else some posters will think you have a Muslim bias lol I'm glad you realize there are those of us who don't engage in hatred for the sake of hatred, dawood. I, too, am glad to see you posting and hope you continue.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2011 11:48:20 GMT -5
Cool, I have been singled out. You know-- I don't KNOW any Muslims. WHY?? The Muslims in my neighborhood do NOT mix with other people, nor do their kids. They don't talk to anyone, use the community center amenities, mingle at school events, nothing. I have never even SEEN any of the Dads at events, just the Moms and kids. Why is this? Why do they not speak to others, or get involved in community and school events? Perhaps our resident Muslim could answer that for me. How, exactly, is one supposed to get to know someone that shuns involvement with the rest of the community? The kids seem exactly like all the other kids, but you will NEVER see them carpooling or anything even resembling that. THIS is FACT in my community, whether or not you believe me.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on May 29, 2011 11:54:18 GMT -5
<<< THIS is FACT in my community, whether or not you believe me. >>> ...I believe you...
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Post by mmhmm on May 29, 2011 12:10:30 GMT -5
Many times, krickitt, it's because these people are afraid of the reception they'll get. The moms, as you say, are with the kids at events. With friendly smiles continued over time, you can get to know them and they're great people, once they realize you really do want to be friends. It takes effort on our part because they're scared they're going to be rejected just because they're Islamic. You've been Mormon, and know how that feels when people are ugly to you just because you're Mormon. They feel the same way.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2011 12:33:14 GMT -5
I call nonsense on that one, mmhmm. SEVERAL of my kid's friends had parents that don't speak a word of English, could very well be illegal, whatever, but they allowed their kids to mix freely with the other kids. SEVERAL kids of uncertain background were BEST FRIENDS with my kids, spent the night here every weekend, my kids went to their houses constantly, even, back when it was safer, my daughter went to Mexico for a week with her BFF friend and her family. Unfortunately, when those kids got HS age the division started, and my kids lost their Mexican friends for the most part-- 90%ish, which HURT my kids badly, but when they were little it was different. THOSE parents did not separate their kids from the other kids, and they could have had legitimate reasons for wanting to keep their kids close and not risk exposing themselves to cops, since the kids were very likely the legal kids of illegal parents.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2011 12:35:31 GMT -5
As far as being Mormon-- Mormons don't wear head dressings that set them apart, and are very outgoing to others, as it is part of their religion to try to expose others to their religion.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 29, 2011 12:49:41 GMT -5
All part of bringing the Muslim world into modern times and away from 3rd world fundamentalism, and it's happening VERY quickly...Next- Southern Evangelicals! and outlawing Burkhas= Vive la France!
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Post by deziloooooo on May 29, 2011 13:43:26 GMT -5
Cool, I have been singled out. You know-- I don't KNOW any Muslims. WHY?? The Muslims in my neighborhood do NOT mix with other people, nor do their kids. They don't talk to anyone, use the community center amenities, mingle at school events, nothing. I have never even SEEN any of the Dads at events, just the Moms and kids. Why is this? Why do they not speak to others, or get involved in community and school events? Perhaps our resident Muslim could answer that for me. How, exactly, is one supposed to get to know someone that shuns involvement with the rest of the community? The kids seem exactly like all the other kids, but you will NEVER see them carpooling or anything even resembling that. THIS is FACT in my community, whether or not you believe me. Curious thought, had you ever thought, you or one of your older children, possible some one more in the same age, possible one with children same as one of them, just fishing here, go over with a cake , just a hello and welcome, and try to make contactt, welcome to area, introduce themselves, your selves..ok not so drastic, a nod , a smile ?? just wondering.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 29, 2011 13:54:56 GMT -5
ssdawood-keep posting and reading here. Not everyone here dislike Muslims simply because they are Muslim. There are good and bad people in every group regardless of religion, race, ethnicity, etc.. Tenn I know that and I will never be so dumb or ignorant to believe my fellow Americans hate me for my religion. But the truth is some do and always will. Also on a side not I think you should refrain from talking to me or else some posters will think you have a Muslim bias lol ssdawood, on a thread a while ago, in welcoming you to the forum, I posed some questions I had, regarding a Muslim's interactions with their local cleric , regarding , if they found his message not to their liking and how they would be able to approach that situation. There were a few other questions too, but the thing is, I repeated the questions, possible you missed , and you never answered, responded, in any way to my posts, so I am wondering if your lack of response is the questions are out of line, if so just tell me , or if the one who is asking the questions , me, is the problem. I am thinking that what I thought was assumed wasn't and my being outed, identified as a Jew, is the reason of no response from you. To be honest, the questions of relationship of a religious leader. Inman[is that correct} and a parishioner, worshiper, [is that the correct term] were not that deep, heavy, or provocative so I have a wonder as to why no response from you toward me as you seem free with response to others?
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Post by lakhota on May 29, 2011 15:58:20 GMT -5
I see no reason to fear Sharia Law being applied among American Muslims when it does not conflict with American law.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 29, 2011 16:08:09 GMT -5
I see no reason to fear Sharia Law being applied among American Muslims when it does not conflict with American law. as long as all parties are ok with it , and it is NOT a violation of our rules and laws, those that the State is involved in, just disagreements between people, it is almost like a mediation, however it can NEVER take the place of dealing with those who break the laws of the State, the nation, the community, even if parties would prefer that, the State is supreme in that , IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2011 16:23:18 GMT -5
I am hoping our Muslim poster will come back and answer not only my question, but Dezi's.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 29, 2011 16:26:46 GMT -5
I am hoping our Muslim poster will come back and answer not only my question, but Dezi's. Me to Krickett..however, for me it's the third or fourth time so...
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2011 20:38:59 GMT -5
The Afghans are. Because they have witnessed it first hand.
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Post by burnsattornincan on May 29, 2011 20:53:37 GMT -5
I see no reason to fear Sharia Law being applied among American Muslims when it does not conflict with American law.
Great. How about every other religion (I use that term loosely with Islam) set up their own legal systems, school systems, media outlets... maybe even their own food supplies. So why come here if you want everything to remain the same as back in the homeland? I wonder.
If you immigrate to this country you accept all the laws and traditions as outlined by the founding fathers. You can pray all you want in your basement but this is a predominantly Christian country and that religion should take precedence, just as Islam does in the Middle East and Hinduism in India. America was not considered great because of being an in-cohesive mix of beliefs and values. It was considered great because of common beliefs and traditions and a focus to be the land of opportunity promoting innovation, productivity and the rewards that follow. Today the country is going in all directions with the influx of third world immigrants, legal and illegal. The government is solely to blame and should be held accountable in an extremely harsh manner.
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Post by lakhota on May 29, 2011 21:07:57 GMT -5
burns, don't let the bogeyman get you...
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Post by deziloooooo on May 29, 2011 21:18:40 GMT -5
I see no reason to fear Sharia Law being applied among American Muslims when it does not conflict with American law.Great. How about every other religion (I use that term loosely with Islam) set up their own legal systems, school systems, media outlets... maybe even their own food supplies. So why come here if you want everything to remain the same as back in the homeland? I wonder. If you immigrate to this country you accept all the laws and traditions as outlined by the founding fathers. You can pray all you want in your basement but this is a predominantly Christian country and that religion should take precedence, You can pray all you want in your basement America was not considered great because of being an in-cohesive mix of beliefs and values. It was considered great because of common beliefs and traditions and a focus to be the land of opportunity promoting innovation, productivity and the rewards that follow. Today the country is going in all directions with the influx of third world immigrants, legal and illegal. The government is solely to blame and should be held accountable in an extremely harsh manner. Dalton McGuinty Burns III Where have you been burns , it happens now. There are schools run by religious organizations...teaching normal subjects as well as religious education. You are familiar with the Parochial system, granted some changes and closing over the year , but there are many Hebrew education doing th same thing..I am sure there are other Christian academy's, and when it comes to food, you have heard of Kosher haven't you, overseen by the state but under direction by Rabbis , checking the slaughtering, by their standards to be Kosher as well as the retail shops, making sure it is correct or they pull the license. -------------------------------------------------------- "but this is a predominantly Christian country and that religion should take precedence No , absolutely not and doesn't , come for a visit some time. ------------------------------------------------------------ "How about every other religion (I use that term loosely with Islam)" a unnecessary slam and disrespect , not needed, I would ask you to remove it but you won't and I really don't know or care if it is or is not a violation of the C of C, it is not something that should be stated. If you want to keep it in the deep recesses of your mixed up mind that's your business but to see it posted here like that, it offends me and actually we have one who has said he is of that faith, and even though I don't think he wants to address me, still I am sure if he comes by, it offends him too, and I am going to say I believe it offends others here too, or at least I hope it does. -------------------------------------------------------------- "You can pray all you want in your basement " if that is their desire , those of the faith or they can build the most beautiful Mosque this side of Saudi Arabia if they want, can afford it and support it, their call there, not yours. ------------------------------------------------------------ "America was not considered great because of being an in-cohesive mix of beliefs and values. " Since when, our Constitution, bill of rights..all our legal documents seem , for a people of the late 18th century, seemed to cover it pretty well actually. Some left out because of the politics of the era, but still over all, they did well. ________________________________ "set up their own legal systems" Again , where it isn't a violation of laws of the State, where they agree to abide by..some Orthodox do use There own courts ton settle disputes or for some sects their spiritual leader called the "Rebb"..affectionetly, loved and respected, the leaders of their group. Not sure on this one but I believe the Mormons too sometimes go that route, there i won't swear though --------------------------------- The rest of your yadda , blah, blah is just you spouting off in nonsensical mutterings but these above should cover most of them, your claims, wrong again by the way, and as always , as offensive as ever.
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Post by lakhota on May 29, 2011 21:23:56 GMT -5
Well said, dezi.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 29, 2011 21:25:00 GMT -5
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Post by burnsattornincan on May 29, 2011 21:29:00 GMT -5
I would ask you to remove it but you won't and I really don't know or care if it is or is not a violation of the C of C, it is not something that should be stated.
"You" would ask I remove what? Who are "you"? I think you need to understand something. This is not your board. You do not go asking people to remove anything whether or not you consider it to be against the "C of C". Now I'm sure you've PM'd your usual contacts to alert them of what "you" think is a problematic post but guess what. I know it isn't so there is nothing that will take place. Ta ta!
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Post by burnsattornincan on May 29, 2011 21:32:13 GMT -5
By the way Lakhota, any particular reason why you resurrected this thread?
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Post by deziloooooo on May 29, 2011 21:33:13 GMT -5
Thats the answer I expected so that is why I didn't ask you to....if you read the post it says , "I would ask you to remove it but you won't" PM ?? Oh no, not PM, heaven forbid, never, just ask any moderator or anyone, no PM at all.
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