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Post by lakhota on May 13, 2011 17:05:22 GMT -5
While South Carolina Proposes Ban On Sharia Law, Former State AG Says He’s Never ‘Encountered’ It Politicians in South Carolina, like many states, have decided to propose a ban on Sharia law. Defending his legislation, bill sponsor State Sen. Mike Fair (R-SC) has claimed that there “are some localities around the country that have imposed Sharia law in lieu of local laws.” University of South Carolina law professor Howard Stravitz, however, has argued that not only is Sharia law non-existent in state courts, but Fair’s bill is both ill-conceived and unconstitutional. While traveling in South Carolina for the Fox News-sponsored Republican presidential debate last week, we caught up with former South Carolina Attorney General Henry McMaster, a Republican fighting to reject health reform as unconstitutional, to ask him about the issue. As top prosecutor for the state, McMaster seemed confused by the Sharia ban, and explained to us that he has never “encountered” it being used in “American courts”: FANG: Some critics have said there’s no actual threat of sharia law being imposed on Americans. The reason folks are proposing this ban on Sharia is just politics to demonize Muslims. MCMASTER: I don’t know the details on it, but I know in American courts its American laws. In Chinese courts, its Chinese law. [...] FANG: In your time as Attorney General, have you encountered Sharia law being imposed in any way here in South Carolina? MCMASTER: I haven’t encountered anything except American law. [...] By American, the decisions of the Supreme Court, laws passed, statutes passed by Congress or by the state of South Carolina, the constitution of the state of South Carolina. Many leading Republicans have staked out far right positions by demagoguing Muslims and claiming that the community is trying to impose Sharia on non-Muslim Americans. Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) called Sharia an “existential threat to America,” and former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain told ThinkProgress’ Scott Keyes that he “will not” appoint a Muslim in his administration because of similar fears. Bills like the one offered in South Carolina are popping up in states around the country. “The proliferation of fearmongering anti-Sharia laws over the past year demonstrates a rise in legislative action that threatens to entrench feelings of hostility and ill will towards Muslim Americans,” notes ThinkProgress’ Zaid Jilani. thinkprogress.org/2011/05/12/south-carolina-sharia-ban-attorney-general/
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Post by humok on May 13, 2011 17:08:08 GMT -5
Sharia Law? That has no place anywhere in this country for any reason. If they do not like our laws then they can take their ass back to sand town!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 17:12:39 GMT -5
Well, let's see... I like my head on my shoulders... I would hate being buried to the waist and stoned to death... would not like having my father run over me and kill me... being raped and beaten for disobedience does not appeal to me..... so many things... I do not want ANYTHING to do with Muslim law in MY free country. If they want to torture their women let them go home and do it.
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Post by lakhota on May 13, 2011 17:13:45 GMT -5
Sharia Law? That has no place anywhere in this country for any reason. If they do not like our laws then they can take their ass back to sand town! Yeah, that's what Native Americans said about Pilgrim law.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 17:16:59 GMT -5
Indians are not the topic here. This is NOT an historically Muslim country. If they don't like it--- LEAVE.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 17:18:57 GMT -5
Wanna compare to Indians, Lak?? Let's do. If you support a Muslim takeover here, it is like saying what the foreigners did to the Indians was okay. Make up your mind.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 13, 2011 17:23:31 GMT -5
Is it okay to say that is a stupid question?
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Post by EVT1 on May 13, 2011 17:34:19 GMT -5
Who's Afraid of Sharia Law? 1) Some people that live under it 2) Some U.S. morons that fear it coming here so much they pass stupid laws
Why? 1) The may face a nasty punishment 2) They are ignorant of U.S. law
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Post by lakhota on May 13, 2011 17:50:49 GMT -5
Why all the Republican anti-Sharia law fearmongering about a nonexistent problem in America?
It isn't Muslims showing ignorance - it's Republican fearmongers who are apparently afraid of their own shadows.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 13, 2011 17:54:51 GMT -5
Is it okay to say somebody is very, very quite contrary? ;D
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Post by EVT1 on May 13, 2011 17:57:36 GMT -5
Why all the Republican anti-Sharia law fearmongering about a nonexistent problem in America? It isn't Muslims showing ignorance - it's Republican fearmongers who are apparently afraid of their own shadows. Fear is the number 1 weapon of the conservatives. Keeps the voters in line. Works with just about every issue too.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 13, 2011 18:07:56 GMT -5
Does shria law outlaw pornography? Stash found at bin Laden villa.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 18:13:42 GMT -5
Maybe just porn of filthy infidels?? Research??
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Post by vonnie6200 on May 13, 2011 18:13:49 GMT -5
All females, all gays and anyone that is an independent sole should be afraid of Sharia Law
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Post by lakhota on May 13, 2011 18:22:57 GMT -5
All females, all gays and anyone that is an independent sole should be afraid of Sharia Law Please name one place in America where Sharia law is a problem - or even a potential problem.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 13, 2011 18:25:10 GMT -5
While South Carolina Proposes Ban On Sharia Law, Former State AG Says He’s Never ‘Encountered’ It Politicians in South Carolina, like many states, have decided to propose a ban on Sharia law. Defending his legislation, bill sponsor State Sen. Mike Fair (R-SC) has claimed that there “are some localities around the country that have imposed Sharia law in lieu of local laws.” University of South Carolina law professor Howard Stravitz, however, has argued that not only is Sharia law non-existent in state courts, but Fair’s bill is both ill-conceived and unconstitutional. While traveling in South Carolina for the Fox News-sponsored Republican presidential debate last week, we caught up with former South Carolina Attorney General Henry McMaster, a Republican fighting to reject health reform as unconstitutional, to ask him about the issue. As top prosecutor for the state, McMaster seemed confused by the Sharia ban, and explained to us that he has never “encountered” it being used in “American courts”: FANG: Some critics have said there’s no actual threat of sharia law being imposed on Americans. The reason folks are proposing this ban on Sharia is just politics to demonize Muslims. MCMASTER: I don’t know the details on it, but I know in American courts its American laws. In Chinese courts, its Chinese law. [...] FANG: In your time as Attorney General, have you encountered Sharia law being imposed in any way here in South Carolina? MCMASTER: I haven’t encountered anything except American law. [...] By American, the decisions of the Supreme Court, laws passed, statutes passed by Congress or by the state of South Carolina, the constitution of the state of South Carolina. Many leading Republicans have staked out far right positions by demagoguing Muslims and claiming that the community is trying to impose Sharia on non-Muslim Americans. Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) called Sharia an “existential threat to America,” and former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain told ThinkProgress’ Scott Keyes that he “will not” appoint a Muslim in his administration because of similar fears. Bills like the one offered in South Carolina are popping up in states around the country. “The proliferation of fearmongering anti-Sharia laws over the past year demonstrates a rise in legislative action that threatens to entrench feelings of hostility and ill will towards Muslim Americans,” notes ThinkProgress’ Zaid Jilani. thinkprogress.org/2011/05/12/south-carolina-sharia-ban-attorney-general/ I don't know- why is everyone on the kook fringe left afraid the Ten Commandments posted, let alone followed, in a courtroom will cause them some irrepairable harm? It's always interesting to me-- you can get rid of Christianity-- but the minute you do, the void gets filled with recycling, or sharia.
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Post by lakhota on May 13, 2011 18:32:51 GMT -5
Really? How exactly does that work?
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Post by vonnie6200 on May 13, 2011 18:34:50 GMT -5
All females, all gays and anyone that is an independent sole should be afraid of Sharia Law Please name one place in America where Sharia law is a problem - or even a potential problem. It's only a problem when it gets implemented, becomes accepted law
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Post by lakhota on May 13, 2011 18:37:26 GMT -5
Are you confusing courtrooms with churches and mosques?
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Post by vonnie6200 on May 13, 2011 18:43:21 GMT -5
Are you confusing courtrooms with churches and mosques? No
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Post by vonnie6200 on May 13, 2011 18:45:01 GMT -5
Are you confusing courtrooms with churches and mosques? No And why would you even suggest Sharia Law should be acceptable in the US?
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Post by Opti on May 13, 2011 20:02:38 GMT -5
"Why all the Republican anti-Sharia law fearmongering about a nonexistent problem in America?" Apparently its a very attractive fear to their base. Is it time to start rumors about orthodox jewish law, or laws from other countries?
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Post by lakhota on May 13, 2011 20:30:27 GMT -5
And where exactly did I suggest that?
The Republican anti-Sharia Islamophobia fearmongering is based on an irrational fear or prejudice toward Islam and Muslims since 9/11, but has escalated since having a black president who has a slightly different background from the average white American.
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Post by vonnie6200 on May 13, 2011 20:36:59 GMT -5
And where exactly did I suggest that? The Republican anti-Sharia Islamophobia fearmongering is based on an irrational fear or prejudice toward Islam and Muslims since 9/11, but has escalated since having a black president who has a slightly different background from the average white American. Well - it has become a problem in various European countries - there are people in this country who do not wish to import the problem Our president's race has nothing to do with it
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Post by EVT1 on May 13, 2011 20:37:45 GMT -5
"The Republican anti-Sharia Islamophobia fearmongering is based on an irrational fear or prejudice toward Islam and Muslims since 9/11, but has escalated since having a black president who has a slightly different background from the average white American." In a nutshell
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Post by lakhota on May 13, 2011 20:40:36 GMT -5
Why do Republicans love Sharia law?
(CNN) -- To be fair, I'm not sure if all Republicans love Sharia law, but they certainly do love talking about it.
Republicans Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum don't agree on everything, but they all concur that we must stop Sharia law from being imposed upon America.
And Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain, winner of a Tea Party convention straw poll in February, went a step further when he recently declared that he would not even nominate an American-Muslim to his Cabinet because in his words, Muslims "are trying to force Sharia law on the people of this country." (Although to be honest, Charlie Sheen has a better chance of "winning" the 2012 presidential election than Cain.)
Add to this mix Republican state legislators in more than a dozen states who have introduced legislation to ban state court judges from considering Sharia law. And in Tennessee, Republican state Sen. Bill Ketron has upped the ante by proposing a law that would make it a felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison for any person who knowingly supports Sharia law.
To warrant this hysterical call to arms by these Republicans, American-Muslims must certainly be aggressively pushing for Sharia law to be imposed upon all Americans -- which would be an especially amazing feat considering only about 2% of our nation's population is Muslim.
So I began looking into the issue of which American-Muslims are calling for this. I started out simply enough by asking the Muslims in my family and my Muslim friends if they wanted Sharia law to be the new law of America. After they stopped laughing, they all responded "no."
This isn't surprising to me because I have never met an American-Muslim who has commented: "America is great, but you know what would make it even better? More laws like Afghanistan."
OK, then maybe it's the American-Muslims in elected office? In their positions of power, they could easily propose legislation calling for Sharia law.
First stop, the two American-Muslim representatives -- Keith Ellison and Andre Carson. But both their records are devoid of pushing for Sharia law.
Well, then maybe it's the American-Muslim state legislators who serve in places such as New Hampshire, Missouri, Michigan and North Carolina -- including the longest-serving Muslim state-elected official, Larry Shaw, who has been a member of the North Carolina General Assembly for 16 years. Maybe they're the ones hankering for Sharia law? But alas, I came up empty.
Oh, I know, how about Dearborn, Michigan, the city with the highest concentration of Muslims in America? If there is any place in America that wants Sharia law, it has to be there. However, Dearborn Mayor Jack O'Reilly -- clearly a very Muslim name -- said in an interview last year: "There's no Sharia law in Dearborn, Michigan. ... It isn't even talked about in Dearborn."
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Post by EVT1 on May 13, 2011 20:40:41 GMT -5
Religious items do not belong in a court of law (unless they are evidence).
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Post by lakhota on May 13, 2011 20:41:02 GMT -5
I keep striking out. Then it occurred to me, perhaps Sharia law is part of the agenda of the biggest American-Muslim organizations in the country: the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Islamic Society of North America. So I reached out to the Islamic Society of North America's national director, Sayyid Syeed, and the Council on American-Islamic Relations' national outreach coordinator, Aseel Elborno, and asked them point-blank: Do you want to impose Sharia law across the United States? Their answer: a resounding "no." They explained they simply want to be able to practice their faith just like all other proud Americans. Nothing more. This is now getting confusing. My Muslim friends and family members don't want Sharia law, neither do the Muslim elected officials nor the biggest American-Muslim groups -- not even the people of Dearborn. Then who is furthering this dastardly plan?! The best evidence these Republicans cite in support of their claim is a case from New Jersey where a trial judge sided with a Muslim man who had raised Sharia law as a defense to the charge of marital rape. The state that brought us "Jersey Shore" actually brought us something worse with this court decision. However, thankfully, the New Jersey appellate court correctly overturned the trial judge's decision, alleviating any concern about Sharia law trumping American law. If religious law -- regardless if it is Muslim, Jewish or Christian -- does not comport with the principles of U.S. law, our courts will not follow it. It's that simple. This is a well-established principle of our American legal system -- one that I would have hoped the Republican politicians would have been known. Of course, maybe I'm assuming they know more than they do, as I was reminded by Bachman's recent gaffe in saying the American Revolution began in New Hampshire instead of Massachusetts. It appears that certain Republicans have created this "Sharia monster" for their own purposes. They scare us with their monster, and then they want to take credit for saving us from their own creation. To those Republicans who continue to stoke the flames of fear and bigotry to attract media attention and benefit their own political careers, I hope you will heed the words of your fellow Republican Ronald Reagan, who famously stated: "No one group in this country is better than another. No one race or religion or sex or color is better than another. ... It's time we erased the last vestiges of intolerance, bigotry and unkindness from our hearts. Decency demands this and so does our history." www.sodahead.com/united-states/why-do-republicans-love-sharia-law/question-1693997/
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Post by EVT1 on May 13, 2011 20:42:45 GMT -5
"Republicans Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum don't agree on everything, but they all concur that we must stop Sharia law from being imposed upon America."
And they are freaking stupid if they actually believe that. It's a show for the dummy vote.
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Post by lakhota on May 13, 2011 20:49:39 GMT -5
Amen!
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