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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 10, 2019 0:12:09 GMT -5
It was American companies like DuPont who made as much money as they could by selling vehicles and technology to the Nazis, then entered the war at the 11th hour, bragging "If it wasn't for us, you'd all be speaking German now". Trump should just keep his pie-hole shut.
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Post by tbop77 on Oct 10, 2019 5:03:49 GMT -5
Sounds like sound judgement. Spending money, putting American soldiers lives in danger, and for what? Not a thing to be gained for the USA. Good judgement? Will you still feel the same way when ISIS reforms that our American soldiers have fought to hard to defeat? Then again, it'll probably be President Obama or Hillary's fault, right?
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 10, 2019 8:19:02 GMT -5
Turkey's Syria invasion: Member of US Special Forces says, 'I am ashamed for the first time in my career'A member of U.S. Special Forces serving alongside the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in Syria told Fox News' Jennifer Griffin on Wednesday they were witnessing Turkish atrocities on the frontlines. “I am ashamed for the first time in my career,” said the distraught soldier, who has been involved in the training of indigenous forces on multiple continents. The service member, whom Griffin described as "hardened," is among the 1,000 or so U.S. troops who remain in Syria. “Turkey is not doing what it agreed to. It’s horrible,” this military source on the ground told Griffin. “We met every single security agreement. The Kurds met every single agreement [with the Turks]. There was no threat to the Turks -- none -- from this side of the border." President Trump said the U.S. would pull its troops from northeast Syria on Sunday, a move considered a blow to the U.S.-backed Kurds by many analysts and political observers. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan later announced a military operation in the region that he said was to "neutralize terror threats" and establish a "safe zone." Article here: Turkey's Syria invasion: Member of US Special Forces says, 'I am ashamed for the first time in my career'
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 10, 2019 11:59:25 GMT -5
I am trying to find a detail online of the # of soldiers from other countries, other than the US. Does anyone have that?
I am confused by the outrage over this pullout by the left. If we want to reduce our military spending (a huge battle cry I hear) then we have to start reducing the military and stop being the world's police.
I'm not saying I am for or against this, either. I have yet to make that decision. I will say I am tired of fighting around the world.
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 10, 2019 12:27:49 GMT -5
I am trying to find a detail online of the # of soldiers from other countries, other than the US. Does anyone have that? I am confused by the outrage over this pullout by the left. If we want to reduce our military spending (a huge battle cry I hear) then we have to start reducing the military and stop being the world's police. I'm not saying I am for or against this, either. I have yet to make that decision. I will say I am tired of fighting around the world. Maybe you should look into the outrage over this in the GOP camp! Nearly all of those in the Senate & House are having fits over him doing this...including his good pal Lindsey! What I'm both hoping for & dreading...a new painting from Jim Carey....of DT's 2 towers in Turkey with blood dripping from every window & door. All this blood is on DT's hands....EVERY.SINGLE.DROP!
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 10, 2019 12:31:03 GMT -5
I am trying to find a detail online of the # of soldiers from other countries, other than the US. Does anyone have that? I am confused by the outrage over this pullout by the left. If we want to reduce our military spending (a huge battle cry I hear) then we have to start reducing the military and stop being the world's police. I'm not saying I am for or against this, either. I have yet to make that decision. I will say I am tired of fighting around the world. You have noticed that this outrage is not a left/right issue? Also, at least for me, the outrage is that the Kurds disarmed at the request from the US presumably to stabilize the region. Then, after they complied, we refuse to defend them. And THAT does deserve outrage
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 10, 2019 13:57:25 GMT -5
I am trying to find a detail online of the # of soldiers from other countries, other than the US. Does anyone have that? I am confused by the outrage over this pullout by the left. If we want to reduce our military spending (a huge battle cry I hear) then we have to start reducing the military and stop being the world's police. I'm not saying I am for or against this, either. I have yet to make that decision. I will say I am tired of fighting around the world. Maybe you should look into the outrage over this in the GOP camp! Nearly all of those in the Senate & House are having fits over him doing this...including his good pal Lindsey! What I'm both hoping for & dreading...a new painting from Jim Carey....of DT's 2 towers in Turkey with blood dripping from every window & door. All this blood is on DT's hands....EVERY.SINGLE.DROP! Why? I would expect most of the GOP to be outraged...GOP are usually for a strong military presence throughout the world. Every time we talk about budget issues, the left said the military budget needs to be scaled way back. My point is we can't police the world without a large, strong military. A large, strong military is very expensive.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 10, 2019 14:00:23 GMT -5
I heard once, "That which you protect, you can also exploit."
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 10, 2019 14:09:54 GMT -5
I am trying to find a detail online of the # of soldiers from other countries, other than the US. Does anyone have that? I am confused by the outrage over this pullout by the left. If we want to reduce our military spending (a huge battle cry I hear) then we have to start reducing the military and stop being the world's police. I'm not saying I am for or against this, either. I have yet to make that decision. I will say I am tired of fighting around the world. You have noticed that this outrage is not a left/right issue? Also, at least for me, the outrage is that the Kurds disarmed at the request from the US presumably to stabilize the region. Then, after they complied, we refuse to defend them. And THAT does deserve outrage From what I have read, we took back (or said we would take back) arms that we gave to them in the fight against ISIS. We didn't take back arms any other country supplied. Am I missing something?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 10, 2019 14:16:03 GMT -5
I’m all for getting the US out of Middle East entanglements ASAP but it does need to be carefully planned and I don’t want to leave the Kurds completely hung out to dry by Turkey or even Iraq. That being said if I am the Kurds I would never trust the US again and would probably cozy up to the Russians and Iranians. They have to be thinking long term survival and who can help them keep Turkey and the opposing factions in Iraq in check. The Kurds would like their own country. The Kurds consider parts of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran as the area of Kurdistan. There is no love lost between the Kurds and the past and present leaders of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran. All of those countries would like to see the Kurds gone from their territories. By siding with the Kurds, aren't we becoming targets from Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran? Who are we to back people trying to take possession of other countries? If the people of California decided they wanted to secede from the US, it would be ok for another country to arm them? We need to let the people in the middle east fight their own, crazy battles. ETA: I obviously do not align with the rest of the GOP who want to be the police of the world. It is time for the other countries to step up to the plate.
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The Kurds would like their own country. The Kurds consider parts of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran as the area of Kurdistan. There is no love lost between the Kurds and the past and present leaders of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran. All of those countries would like to see the Kurds gone from their territories. By siding with the Kurds, aren't we becoming targets from Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran? Who are we to back people trying to take possession of other countries? If the people of California decided they wanted to secede from the US, it would be ok for another country to arm them? We need to let the people in the middle east fight their own, crazy battles. ETA: I obviously do not align with the rest of the GOP who want to be the police of the world. It is time for the other countries to step up to the plate. I agree with you in that I want to get out of the Middle East and let the people there set their own destiny. I would tell the Kurd leadership the US is withdrawing by the end of 2020 and negotiate what they need between now and then to not challenge Turkey and other countries but at least to become a formidable enough force no country would want to attack them. This is actually a pretty good read from Wikipedia and I think a lot of the current day problems were created when the western powers carved up the region a hundred years ago. The Kurds are pretty much without a country and the US has been using them as ally’s in the region, that’s why I’m OK with helping them between now and the end of 2020. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 10, 2019 16:16:51 GMT -5
The Kurds would like their own country. The Kurds consider parts of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran as the area of Kurdistan. There is no love lost between the Kurds and the past and present leaders of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran. All of those countries would like to see the Kurds gone from their territories. By siding with the Kurds, aren't we becoming targets from Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran? Who are we to back people trying to take possession of other countries? If the people of California decided they wanted to secede from the US, it would be ok for another country to arm them? We need to let the people in the middle east fight their own, crazy battles. ETA: I obviously do not align with the rest of the GOP who want to be the police of the world. It is time for the other countries to step up to the plate. 10,000 Kurds died fighting for the U.S. to round up ISIS. U.s. deaths? just a handful. Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria would like nothing better than to push their Kurdish citizens out of their countries and into Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Trump turned our country's back on the Kurds. Our Military and even some GOP politicians are disgusted by trump's move.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 10, 2019 16:43:44 GMT -5
A question.... Some of Trump's most loyal butt kissers are coming out against this move. They have stood by him through many controversial decisions, actions and behaviors. But this one, heavy criticism. Why is that? What is so important about this one thing that they are willing and/or able to speak out against Trump? My best guess is if Russia and Iran get stronger (which is kind of what happens if Turkey wins?) is that it negatively effects Israel. This admisistration seems very interested in Israel. But this administration is who did it. The Senators and other fans are the ones bad mouthing the decision.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 10, 2019 16:45:11 GMT -5
By siding with the Kurds, aren't we becoming targets from Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran? Who are we to back people trying to take possession of other countries? If the people of California decided they wanted to secede from the US, it would be ok for another country to arm them? We need to let the people in the middle east fight their own, crazy battles. ETA: I obviously do not align with the rest of the GOP who want to be the police of the world. It is time for the other countries to step up to the plate. 10,000 Kurds died fighting for the U.S. to round up ISIS. U.s. deaths? just a handful. Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria would like nothing better than to push their Kurdish citizens out of their countries and into Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Trump turned our country's back on the Kurds. Our Military and even some GOP politicians are disgusted by trump's move. Didn't you know? American lives have more value than others.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 10, 2019 17:04:25 GMT -5
By siding with the Kurds, aren't we becoming targets from Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran? Who are we to back people trying to take possession of other countries? If the people of California decided they wanted to secede from the US, it would be ok for another country to arm them? We need to let the people in the middle east fight their own, crazy battles. ETA: I obviously do not align with the rest of the GOP who want to be the police of the world. It is time for the other countries to step up to the plate. 10,000 Kurds died fighting for the U.S. to round up ISIS. U.s. deaths? just a handful. Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria would like nothing better than to push their Kurdish citizens out of their countries and into Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Trump turned our country's back on the Kurds. Our Military and even some GOP politicians are disgusted by trump's move. The US wqs the only country fighting ISIS? And again, we shouldn’t have been there fighting anything in the Middle East. We need to stop involving ourselves in everyone’s issues.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 10, 2019 17:37:26 GMT -5
There's a new wave of Kurdish refugees, running to escape the upcoming slaughter. Is Trump going to let them in?
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 10, 2019 17:40:50 GMT -5
There's a new wave of Kurdish refugees, running to escape the upcoming slaughter. Is Trump going to let them in? They will only have a glimmer of a cance if they can proof that they can pay for their healthcare. Have to be careful, since so many have been fightinfg on the US side and they may have PTSD or similar problems. And that would increase the deficit.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 10, 2019 17:46:03 GMT -5
10,000 Kurds died fighting for the U.S. to round up ISIS. U.s. deaths? just a handful. Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria would like nothing better than to push their Kurdish citizens out of their countries and into Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Trump turned our country's back on the Kurds. Our Military and even some GOP politicians are disgusted by trump's move. The US wqs the only country fighting ISIS? And again, we shouldn’t have been there fighting anything in the Middle East. We need to stop involving ourselves in everyone’s issues. But we were and are. Gratitude seems foreign to you and a few others.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 10, 2019 18:16:34 GMT -5
10,000 Kurds died fighting for the U.S. to round up ISIS. U.s. deaths? just a handful. Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria would like nothing better than to push their Kurdish citizens out of their countries and into Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Trump turned our country's back on the Kurds. Our Military and even some GOP politicians are disgusted by trump's move. The US wqs the only country fighting ISIS? And again, we shouldn’t have been there fighting anything in the Middle East. We need to stop involving ourselves in everyone’s issues. I'm not advocating that we should have troops everywhere, or even anywhere. I don't understand enough about worldwide military actions to have an opinion on what is proper. I do, however, have a real problem with the way this was done. No thought, no council, no discussion. It seems dangerous to make a decision like this with less thought than I give to ordering a pizza. His buddy called him and said "I'm gonna bomb the shit out of Syria. You should leave." And he said "okay" and did it immediately. That isn't being tough, or doing the right thing. He could have at least said "Give me 48 hours" but instead he tweeted the order while still on the phone. Erdogan owns him, because he is a giant wuss.
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Post by steff on Oct 10, 2019 18:57:33 GMT -5
well, we're up to 2 people here who have no problem with genocide. Keep that in mind next time they talk about antisemitism. They're FINE with genocide "over there". Another moral high ground the GOP voter is voluntarily giving up. For some there literally is no moral/humanitarian line that the white house resident can cross. THEY DON'T CARE because he's killing all the right people in their minds. The only thing pro life about the GOP & their voters is the womb to delivery room pro life. Fuck em and all let em die at any point after that.
children being shot to death in classrooms "don't take MY gun" Genocide of a long term US ally, the ones fighting ISIS for the US "not my problem, don't really care that our president set them up for Genocide" People dying because they can no long afford insulin or health care "they should have worked harder & bought better insurance. Not my problem"
When they continue to show us who they are, we have to start believing them.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 10, 2019 19:45:16 GMT -5
There's a new wave of Kurdish refugees, running to escape the upcoming slaughter. Is Trump going to let them in? Hell no. They need to fix their own mess potential genocide is not our problem. We don't have room for more immigrants. MAGA. I don't think we should be the world's police either. However tweeting and telling your allies "See ya!" like Trump did is extremely shitty. Justifying their potential slaughter by claiming incorrectly they didn't help.us in WWII shows what a complete incompetent ass Trump is. The fact people don't care cause well they are Middle Eastern brown people who aren't worth American lives is appalling. This could have been done in a gradual manner with advice and expertise from military personnel and diplomats to maximize our safety and theirs. But Trump is incapable of that because that would mean accepting he is not a stable genius and face the horror of people disagreeing with him.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 10, 2019 20:09:02 GMT -5
well, we're up to 2 people here who have no problem with genocide. Keep that in mind next time they talk about antisemitism. They're FINE with genocide "over there". Another moral high ground the GOP voter is voluntarily giving up. For some there literally is no moral/humanitarian line that the white house resident can cross. THEY DON'T CARE because he's killing all the right people in their minds. The only thing pro life about the GOP & their voters is the womb to delivery room pro life. Fuck em and all let em die at any point after that.
children being shot to death in classrooms "don't take MY gun" Genocide of a long term US ally, the ones fighting ISIS for the US "not my problem, don't really care that our president set them up for Genocide" People dying because they can no long afford insulin or health care "they should have worked harder & bought better insurance. Not my problem"
When they continue to show us who they are, we have to start believing them.
Genocide is also okay if they are brown. I don't know why they are so hell bent getting rid of abortions. Less than half of them are white babies. If it has never been legal, there is a real good chance many of those white girls would have found a way to get rid of the baby, but you could probably add 20 million black and brown people to our population. Maybe more, as they don't separate Hispanic and White. Aren't we all against that because they may vote Democrat?
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 10, 2019 20:13:24 GMT -5
It is obvious that some people have no idea how foreign affairs work, how treaties work, how allies work.
It has nothing to do with who is in favor of a strong military, it has to do with cooperation between nations for various reasons which may or may not be common knowledge to the public.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 10, 2019 20:46:46 GMT -5
The US wqs the only country fighting ISIS? And again, we shouldn’t have been there fighting anything in the Middle East. We need to stop involving ourselves in everyone’s issues. I'm not advocating that we should have troops everywhere, or even anywhere. I don't understand enough about worldwide military actions to have an opinion on what is proper. I do, however, have a real problem with the way this was done. No thought, no council, no discussion. It seems dangerous to make a decision like this with less thought than I give to ordering a pizza. His buddy called him and said "I'm gonna bomb the shit out of Syria. You should leave." And he said "okay" and did it immediately. That isn't being tough, or doing the right thing. He could have at least said "Give me 48 hours" but instead he tweeted the order while still on the phone. Erdogan owns him, because he is a giant wuss. Oh, I’m definitely not saying he handled it right. I am saying we never should have been there. I’ve been saying for years that I want us out of the Middle East.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 10, 2019 20:48:23 GMT -5
well, we're up to 2 people here who have no problem with genocide. Keep that in mind next time they talk about antisemitism. They're FINE with genocide "over there". Another moral high ground the GOP voter is voluntarily giving up. For some there literally is no moral/humanitarian line that the white house resident can cross. THEY DON'T CARE because he's killing all the right people in their minds. The only thing pro life about the GOP & their voters is the womb to delivery room pro life. Fuck em and all let em die at any point after that.
children being shot to death in classrooms "don't take MY gun" Genocide of a long term US ally, the ones fighting ISIS for the US "not my problem, don't really care that our president set them up for Genocide" People dying because they can no long afford insulin or health care "they should have worked harder & bought better insurance. Not my problem"
When they continue to show us who they are, we have to start believing them.
Genocide is also okay if they are brown. I don't know why they are so hell bent getting rid of abortions. Less than half of them are white babies. If it has never been legal, there is a real good chance many of those white girls would have found a way to get rid of the baby, but you could probably add 20 million black and brown people to our population. Maybe more, as they don't separate Hispanic and White. Aren't we all against that because they may vote Democrat? I expect better of you. Not wanting our military all over the work has nothing to do with the color of their skin. I never took you for one of the tapping people who blamed everything on racism.
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Post by steff on Oct 10, 2019 21:05:17 GMT -5
Genocide. We're talking about literal genocide.
gen·o·cide /ˈjenəˌsīd/ Learn to pronounce noun noun: genocide; plural noun: genocides
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. "a campaign of genocide" this president set up the Kurds, got them to removed their defense and served them up for GENOCIDE.
On an evangelical note, I guess the GOP voters didn't get the memo that the Kurds are Christians, not Muslims. Or again, they just don't care & have been faking it the whole time.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 10, 2019 21:26:03 GMT -5
Genocide is also okay if they are brown. I don't know why they are so hell bent getting rid of abortions. Less than half of them are white babies. If it has never been legal, there is a real good chance many of those white girls would have found a way to get rid of the baby, but you could probably add 20 million black and brown people to our population. Maybe more, as they don't separate Hispanic and White. Aren't we all against that because they may vote Democrat? I expect better of you. Not wanting our military all over the work has nothing to do with the color of their skin. I never took you for one of the tapping people who blamed everything on racism. I was actually thinking about the Mexican border. Illegal white immigrants are treated very differently. But shooting them, flesh tearing, electrified fences, separation, detention centers, etc. That definitely has a racism element. It is easy to say that it is just a law breaking thing, but given how different the treatment is of European immigrants vs highly educated, English speaking Indians vs Hispanics. We can't just pretend that it isn't about race.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 10, 2019 21:27:10 GMT -5
Genocide. We're talking about literal genocide.
gen·o·cide /ˈjenəˌsīd/ Learn to pronounce noun noun: genocide; plural noun: genocides
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. "a campaign of genocide" this president set up the Kurds, got them to removed their defense and served them up for GENOCIDE.
On an evangelical note, I guess the GOP voters didn't get the memo that the Kurds are Christians, not Muslims. Or again, they just don't care & have been faking it the whole time.
Lol. Kenya is also a majority Christian, so all that Muslim Kenya bullshit was stupid.
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Post by steff on Oct 10, 2019 21:36:15 GMT -5
Andrew Feinberg @andrewfeinberg
The Trump administration is joining Russia in vetoing a UN Security Council resolution condemning @realdonaldtrump’s dictator friend Erdogan’s ethnic cleansing of the Kurds in Syria.
US and Russia against the other permanent members. Let that sink in. washingtonpost.com/national-secur…
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 10, 2019 22:42:20 GMT -5
I heard once, "That which you protect, you can also exploit." OK, what are we going to"EXPLOIT" out of Syria? Oil?? this is going to be a hundred year war.
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