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Post by steff on Oct 8, 2019 12:47:47 GMT -5
I can admit that initially what I knew about the Kurds & Kurdistan came from watching Anthony Bourdain in Turkey/Syria years ago & from Top Gear doing a show about trying to go from Iraq to Jerusalem thru Syria. But both of those shows made me curious enough to learn more about them.
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Post by laterbloomer on Oct 8, 2019 14:00:33 GMT -5
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 8, 2019 14:43:22 GMT -5
The Kurds would like their own country. The Kurds consider parts of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran as the area of Kurdistan. There is no love lost between the Kurds and the past and present leaders of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran. All of those countries would like to see the Kurds gone from their territories. There has to be an ally to be had somewhere in that mix, what would you do in the Kurds shoes now? There really isn’t a very good answer, I’m just not willing to spend US lives and treasure getting to one. Maybe they will cozy up to Iran and become a huge pain in our ass. Keeping the fighting over there is better than having it come onto our soil and take out our citizens.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 15:32:53 GMT -5
I questioned the value of starting this thread before I did it. I love these debates/discussions, the potential solutions are imperfect at best. You really as a country have to decide how far you are willing to go in giving your military objectives. Here is how I would view Syria: Is the military simply to assure we can’t be invaded or even attacked at all? I don’t think leaving Syria gets us attacked, in fact I would say it lessens the chance we are attacked. Do we intervene in countries around the world to avoid a world war? I could see an all out Middle East conflict but if the US stays out of it I don’t see it going global. Do we risk lives to protect business interests? If the conflict does embroil the Middle East it definitely would impact oil. Do we risk lives and go into more debt to stop the slaughter and persecution of Citizens of other countries? And if yes how do you choose? Sure applies here.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 8, 2019 16:21:28 GMT -5
A question....
Some of Trump's most loyal butt kissers are coming out against this move. They have stood by him through many controversial decisions, actions and behaviors. But this one, heavy criticism.
Why is that? What is so important about this one thing that they are willing and/or able to speak out against Trump?
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 8, 2019 16:46:20 GMT -5
A question.... Some of Trump's most loyal but kissers are coming out against this move. They have stood by him through many controversial decisions, actions and behaviors. But this one, heavy criticism. Why is that? What is so important about this one thing that they are willing and/or able to speak out against Trump? It is what is so unimportant about it. Trump's base doesn't care about Syria nor the Kurds.
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 8, 2019 16:46:28 GMT -5
A question.... Some of Trump's most loyal but kissers are coming out against this move. They have stood by him through many controversial decisions, actions and behaviors. But this one, heavy criticism. Why is that? What is so important about this one thing that they are willing and/or able to speak out against Trump? Find out which military contractors are in their districts or are owned by big donors to their campaigns! As usual, follow the money! ETA...it's also about trust...how much trust did the US just lose with our allies by this stupid move?
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Post by laterbloomer on Oct 8, 2019 20:02:40 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe anyone was "blindsided" by this move. Trump telegraphed this one. How?
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Post by dondub on Oct 9, 2019 11:08:02 GMT -5
Now that the Kurds are under assault due to Trump's pullout, and possibly future victims of ethnic cleansing, will any Repo-Con here condemn this action that puts American anti-terrorist allies into the grave? Not the first time that conservatives have sold out our long time friends the Kurds.
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Post by Tiny on Oct 9, 2019 12:39:52 GMT -5
A question.... Some of Trump's most loyal butt kissers are coming out against this move. They have stood by him through many controversial decisions, actions and behaviors. But this one, heavy criticism. Why is that? What is so important about this one thing that they are willing and/or able to speak out against Trump? My best guess is if Russia and Iran get stronger (which is kind of what happens if Turkey wins?) is that it negatively effects Israel. This admisistration seems very interested in Israel.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 9, 2019 16:39:07 GMT -5
Lol! Tell us, Captain Bone Spurs, how much YOU helped during the Viet Nam War.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 9, 2019 16:43:53 GMT -5
The President* Is Having Another Episode. Get the Net.trump said today: "The Kurds are fighting for their land, just so you understand, and somebody wrote a very, very powerful article today. They didn't help us in the Second World War, they didn't help us with Normandy as an example, they mentioned names of different battles. But they're there to help us with their land and that's a different thing. In addition to that we—we have spent tremendous amounts of money on helping the Kurds in terms of ammunition, in terms of weapons, in terms of money, in terms of pay, with all of that being said, we like the Kurds."The President* Is Having Another Episode. Get the Net.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 9, 2019 16:51:44 GMT -5
From Andy Borowitz regarding the Kurds not landing in Normandy with the USA, Canada, United Kingdom and others:
Andy Borowitz 40 mins · "And where were they when George Washington seized the British airports?"
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 9, 2019 17:07:24 GMT -5
From Andy Borowitz regarding the Kurds not landing in Normandy with the USA, Canada, United Kingdom and others: Andy Borowitz 40 mins · "And where were they when George Washington seized the British airports?" .......and where were they during the bloody massacre at Bowling Green?
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Post by dondub on Oct 9, 2019 17:50:16 GMT -5
Ah ha! Now we have a clear understanding why trump sold our Kurdish allies in the War on Terror down a blood soaked river. He has 119 business interests in Turkey and the Turks are the foreigners that most use trump properties world wide. I mean what's a staunch ally versus income streams from those holding. Turd the Kurds.
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Post by ednkris on Oct 9, 2019 19:06:07 GMT -5
Sounds like sound judgement. Spending money, putting American soldiers lives in danger, and for what? Not a thing to be gained for the USA.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 9, 2019 19:19:28 GMT -5
Sounds like sound judgement. Spending money, putting American soldiers lives in danger, and for what? Not a thing to be gained for the USA. I will, at times, do things because they are the right thing to do. I will do it even though I will not personally gain anything tangible.
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Post by ednkris on Oct 9, 2019 19:21:45 GMT -5
Sounds like sound judgement. Spending money, putting American soldiers lives in danger, and for what? Not a thing to be gained for the USA. I will, at times, do things because they are the right thing to do. I will do it even though I will not personally gain anything tangible. As will I, but we are not running a country.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 9, 2019 19:24:27 GMT -5
I will, at times, do things because they are the right thing to do. I will do it even though I will not personally gain anything tangible. As will I, but we are not running a country. So people who run countries shouldn't be concerned about do the right thing?
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Post by ednkris on Oct 9, 2019 19:28:16 GMT -5
As will I, but we are not running a country. So people who run countries shouldn't be concerned about do the right thing? The right thing is taking care of their own country
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 9, 2019 19:51:10 GMT -5
So people who run countries shouldn't be concerned about do the right thing? The right thing is taking care of their own country And that includes taking care of our allies so they will in turn help us when needed! Now NO ONE in the world will trust the US, they don't keep their word.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 9, 2019 19:55:35 GMT -5
So people who run countries shouldn't be concerned about do the right thing? The right thing is taking care of their own country Long term or short term?
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Post by steff on Oct 9, 2019 20:11:47 GMT -5
From Andy Borowitz regarding the Kurds not landing in Normandy with the USA, Canada, United Kingdom and others: Andy Borowitz 40 mins · "And where were they when George Washington seized the British airports?" Even worse than that is the US did nothing to help protect England in 1066. Changed the country forever & where the hell was the US then ?
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Post by dondub on Oct 9, 2019 21:40:54 GMT -5
Sounds like sound judgement. Spending money, putting American soldiers lives in danger, and for what? Not a thing to be gained for the USA. How easily Mr. Pro Death supports sending key War On Terror allies into a bloody morass of death and destruction. They will lose their doctors because they are dead. An ethnic cleansing may be on the horizon and you support whatever happens. You have serious issues dude.
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 9, 2019 22:04:26 GMT -5
Supporting or not supporting the Kurds, Is that war winnable?
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Post by Poptart on Oct 9, 2019 22:31:22 GMT -5
Sounds like sound judgement. Spending money, putting American soldiers lives in danger, and for what? Not a thing to be gained for the USA. Only American lives matter? And not the lives of men and women who have fought bravely at the side of American soldiers? And screw you and Trump for worshiping at the altar of the dollar without giving a flying fuck about our promises and commitments to our allies. You are no American.
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 9, 2019 22:35:43 GMT -5
Sounds like sound judgement. Spending money, putting American soldiers lives in danger, and for what? Not a thing to be gained for the USA. Only American lives matter? And not the lives of men and women who have fought bravely at the side of American soldiers? And screw you and Trump for worshiping at the altar of the dollar without giving a flying fuck about our promises and commitments to our allies. You are no American. Uhhhh, We you in favor of invading Iraq?
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 10, 2019 0:00:51 GMT -5
President Donald Trump on Wednesday continued to defend his decision to withdraw US troops from northeast Syria, abandoning Kurdish forces in the region, by saying the Kurds did not help the US during World War II.
"They didn't help us in the Second World War, they didn't help us with Normandy," Trump said of the Kurds, who played a vital role in the US-led campaign against ISIS.Oh, but they DID! As usual,Trump is a dumbass. By 1942, the Iraq Levies consisted of a Headquarters, a Depot, Specialist Assyrian companies, 40 service companies and the 1st Parachute Company, which consisted of 75% Assyrian and 25% Kurd. The new Iraq Levies Disciplinary Code was based largely on the Indian Army Act. By 1943 the Iraq Levies strength stood at 166 British officers controlling 44 companies; 22 Assyrian, five Mixed Assyrian/Yizidi, ten Kurdish, four Marsh Arabs, and three Baluchi. Eleven Assyrian companies served in Palestine and another four served in Cyprus. The Parachute Company was attached to the Royal Marine Commando and were active in Albania, Italy and Greece. In 1943/1944 the Iraq Levies were renamed the Royal Air Force Levies. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Levies#1940s
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