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Post by Value Buy on Oct 14, 2019 11:31:26 GMT -5
I actually called it earlier in the thread, cozying up to the Russians (through Assad) was the likely outcome. How can anyone fault them for it, it’s survival. Well while we don't want to help brown people they should at least honor our American values and die a noble death rather than cozy up to Assad. What did people think would happen if it's between you and genocide? Assad was not killing the Kurds two or three years ago? As far as getting assistance from Assad, I do not think it is wrong, just insanely ironic........ any old port in a storm, sums it up, so everyone just quit bitching about any double standards I have. Everyone does what they have to just survive. And I also believe it will not make much difference for the Kurds in the long run. Two probable outcomes 1, war breaks out with Turkey and Syria 2. Turkey backs down and Assad eventually starts killing Kurds again if he regains teritory with any semblance of military power that he has left. P.S. When this country stops economic aid to all of Africa, South America, and Asia to all the brown countries, then you can say we do not help brown people.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 14, 2019 11:33:29 GMT -5
Well while we don't want to help brown people they should at least honor our American values and die a noble death rather than cozy up to Assad. What did people think would happen if it's between you and genocide? Assad was not killing the Kurds two or three years ago? As far as getting assistance from Assad, I do not think it is wrong, just insanely ironic........ any old port in a storm, sums it up, so everyone just quit bitching about any double standards I have. Everyone does what they have to just survive. And I also believe it will not make much difference for the Kurds in the long run. Two probable outcomes 1, war breaks out with Turkey and Syria 2. Turkey backs down and Assad eventually starts killing Kurds again if he regains teritory with any semblance of military power that he has left. P.S. When this country stops economic aid to all of Africa, South America, and Asia to all the brown countries, then you can say we do not help brown people. Which would you choose: sure death or allying with a former enemy.
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Oct 14, 2019 11:59:05 GMT -5
Post by Value Buy on Oct 14, 2019 11:59:05 GMT -5
Assad was not killing the Kurds two or three years ago? As far as getting assistance from Assad, I do not think it is wrong, just insanely ironic........ any old port in a storm, sums it up, so everyone just quit bitching about any double standards I have. Everyone does what they have to just survive. And I also believe it will not make much difference for the Kurds in the long run. Two probable outcomes 1, war breaks out with Turkey and Syria 2. Turkey backs down and Assad eventually starts killing Kurds again if he regains teritory with any semblance of military power that he has left. P.S. When this country stops economic aid to all of Africa, South America, and Asia to all the brown countries, then you can say we do not help brown people. Which would you choose: sure death or allying with a former enemy. Sounds like the current state of the democratic party here in the states although they have no ally to align with. I do not have an answer for your question as they die either way. As I stated earlier in this thread I said I do not agree with Trump doing this. I honetly believe it is up to the rest of NATO to reign in Turkey as a rogue member right now. Obviously we will not.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 14, 2019 12:44:32 GMT -5
Which would you choose: sure death or allying with a former enemy. Sounds like the current state of the democratic party here in the states although they have no ally to align with. I do not have an answer for your question as they die either way. As I stated earlier in this thread I said I do not agree with Trump doing this. I honetly believe it is up to the rest of NATO to reign in Turkey as a rogue member right now. Obviously we will not. Why should NATO have to clean up trump's mess? And it is trump's mess.
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Opinion Are you happy now, Trump supporters?President Trump isn’t the first American leader to turn his back on foreign friends who were counting on U.S. assistance: President Dwight D. Eisenhower did it in Hungary in 1956; President John F. Kennedy in Cuba in 1961; and President Gerald Ford in South Vietnam in 1975. But no previous chief executive has ever sold out the United States’ allies as nonchalantly and unnecessarily as Trump has done with the Syrian Kurds. At least with Eisenhower, Kennedy and Ford, there was a good reason they failed to come to the aid of freedom fighters: Doing so would have embroiled the United States in costly conflicts. Trump and his apologists would like to pretend that’s also the case today — that Trump pulled U.S. troops out of northern Syria to avoid a war with Turkey. But there is scant chance that Turkish troops would have invaded northern Syria if U.S. troops were standing in the way. That is why President Recep Tayyip Erdogan asked Trump to move the U.S. forces — and Trump, for reasons that remain mysterious, obliged. (Trump himself admitted in 2015 that “I have a little conflict of interest” because of two Trump Towers in Istanbul.) The consequences of the American pullout are proving to be every bit as catastrophic as most observers — and Trump’s own aides — had feared. On “Face the Nation” on Sunday, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper said that ever since coming to office about two months ago, he had been urging the Turks not to invade Syria. “We cited all the reasons that are now playing out,” he said. “The biggest being the likely release of ISIS fighters from these camps and prisons, not just that we see a humanitarian crisis emerging.” If Esper cited those reasons to the Turks, he surely cited them to Trump as well. But the president wasn’t listening, as usual. Now Kurds are being slaughtered, and Islamic State detainees are escaping. With chaos all around, Trump had no choice on Sunday but to order most U.S. troops to scuttle out of Syria in a humiliating defeat. Our forces are leaving so fast they could not take with them, as planned, some 60 “high value” Islamic State detainees — i.e., some of the worst terrorists on the planet. Complete article here: Are you happy now, Trump supporters?
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Oct 14, 2019 15:27:39 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 14, 2019 15:29:34 GMT -5
Too late for the Kurdish who have already been murdered. Their blood still remains on trump's hands.
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Oct 14, 2019 15:30:29 GMT -5
Post by Value Buy on Oct 14, 2019 15:30:29 GMT -5
Sounds like the current state of the democratic party here in the states although they have no ally to align with. I do not have an answer for your question as they die either way. As I stated earlier in this thread I said I do not agree with Trump doing this. I honetly believe it is up to the rest of NATO to reign in Turkey as a rogue member right now. Obviously we will not. Why should NATO have to clean up trump's mess? And it is trump's mess. It is about three different President's mess, or even about five Presidents. Just a continuation of a complete mess dating back decades. I suggest NATO members in Europe try something, as the UN, regardless of the Russia and u.s. no vote would not have solved it......
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 14, 2019 15:49:08 GMT -5
Why should NATO have to clean up trump's mess? And it is trump's mess. It is about three different President's mess, or even about five Presidents. Just a continuation of a complete mess dating back decades. I suggest NATO members in Europe try something, as the UN, regardless of the Russia and u.s. no vote would not have solved it...... The two previous presidents didn't abandon the Kurds and allow Turkey to slaughter them.
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 14, 2019 15:51:57 GMT -5
AND....this is likely due to logistics....you can't move 1000 troops & equipment at the snap of fingers, it takes time (that they don't have since Syrian troops are moving up) to get that all set up and then moved. He isn't smarter than all the Generals...he is dumber than a rock.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 14, 2019 15:59:48 GMT -5
Why should NATO have to clean up trump's mess? And it is trump's mess. It is about three different President's mess, or even about five Presidents.Just a continuation of a complete mess dating back decades. I suggest NATO members in Europe try something, as the UN, regardless of the Russia and u.s. no vote would not have solved it...... So, why should NATO clean up America's mess?
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 14, 2019 16:02:31 GMT -5
It is about three different President's mess, or even about five Presidents.Just a continuation of a complete mess dating back decades. I suggest NATO members in Europe try something, as the UN, regardless of the Russia and u.s. no vote would not have solved it...... So, why should NATO clean up America's mess? Just more from the poster trying to draw attention away from trump's actions.
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Post by steff on Oct 14, 2019 16:11:56 GMT -5
ALT-immigration 🛂 @alt_uscis
A decade of fighting ISIS was wiped clean by this moron President. Thousands of American, Kurds, Syrian and Iraqi lives were lost to contain these monsters. Orange Buffon canceled it all out in one afternoon.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 14, 2019 17:01:52 GMT -5
"Once again the arsonist masquerades as a fireman to put out the fire he started. It's a little late for those sanctions, Don."
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Post by tallguy on Oct 14, 2019 17:06:57 GMT -5
The only people more stupid than he is are the ones still supporting him. No excuse any more.
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 14, 2019 18:21:27 GMT -5
Trump put an end to our part in a never ending war.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 14, 2019 18:26:15 GMT -5
Trump put an end to our part in a never ending war. Only if you look at this in the very narrowest sense of time and space.
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 14, 2019 18:44:25 GMT -5
So how long should we have stayed in this never ending war?
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 14, 2019 19:59:03 GMT -5
So how long should we have stayed in this never ending war? "How long will we stay?" is the actual question that should be asked.
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Post by dondub on Oct 15, 2019 1:25:03 GMT -5
Trump put an end to our part in a never ending war. Did I miss that Trump withdrew all the troops from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Karjacistan. Help me out here Coyootie.
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Post by steff on Oct 15, 2019 1:39:56 GMT -5
Here's a fun side effect to twitter foreign policy. 50 nuclear warheads are "being held hostage" in Turkey. Who could have possibly imagined that happening when no thought or knowledge is used to create chaos as a foreign policy? Genocide & lost nuclear warheads. WINNING!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 15, 2019 7:41:56 GMT -5
Trump put an end to our part in a never ending war. So if that was Trump's goal then please explain why he is sending troops to Saudi Arabia. Shouldn't they also have to be dealing with their own shit because those people need to be fighting their own wars?
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Post by ednkris on Oct 15, 2019 8:40:24 GMT -5
Trump put an end to our part in a never ending war. So if that was Trump's goal then please explain why he is sending troops to Saudi Arabia. Shouldn't they also have to be dealing with their own shit because those people need to be fighting their own wars? That depends are we getting paid from them oil and such? If we don't get paid they should be on their own.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 15, 2019 8:46:33 GMT -5
So if that was Trump's goal then please explain why he is sending troops to Saudi Arabia. Shouldn't they also have to be dealing with their own shit because those people need to be fighting their own wars? That depends are we getting paid from them oil and such? If we don't get paid they should be on their own. Sounds like you are saying that the United States should hire out our military.
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Post by ednkris on Oct 15, 2019 8:49:08 GMT -5
That depends are we getting paid from them oil and such? If we don't get paid they should be on their own. Sounds like you are saying that the United States should hire out our military. We are all just whores----we sell our time to our employers for money---countries govt is no different
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 15, 2019 8:58:20 GMT -5
Sounds like you are saying that the United States should hire out our military. We are all just whores----we sell our time to our employers for money---countries govt is no different Trump be pimping.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 9:16:42 GMT -5
I always though we should go back to calling the “Department of Defense” the “Department of War”. Pretty much a marketing gimmick that it was changed.
The Saudi thing is really a step further, “Mercenaries for Hire”
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Oct 15, 2019 9:23:33 GMT -5
We are all just whores----we sell our time to our employers for money---countries govt is no different Trump be pimping. Yep. So much for the "conservatives respect the military"
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