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Post by dondub on May 9, 2019 14:05:57 GMT -5
A Project for the New American Century goal...complete hegemony.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 9, 2019 14:16:43 GMT -5
Iran can't be trusted with nuclear weapons because they will use them to threaten and potentially use them against other countries. Therefore And ?? Personally i think there should be a new united nations. With only the United States, Germany, China, Japan, and Russia thats right I said said Russia. The rest needs to fall in line Germany? Like most other countries, Germany is fed up with Trump and the US. Trump does nothing but insult Germany. Germany would be happy to team up with other first-world countries, though. Very few countries want ANYTHING to do with the US....it can't be trusted. Perhaps the new UN should be made up of despots...USA, Russia, Philippines, North Korea, the ME and Venezuela. Why Germans Are Getting Fed Up with America It’s getting harder for Angela Merkel and the German elite to hold back growing anti-Americanism. www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-05-14/germany-is-getting-fed-up-with-trump-and-america
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Post by thyme4change on May 9, 2019 15:13:31 GMT -5
Ednkris, Funny that your un-United nations has 4 of the original six signatories to the much needed Iran Treaty. This treaty was a master stroke of diplomacy by Obama and was working well until the belligerent in chief decided to pander to extremists. Now the Iranians are starting their own reneging based on Trumps idiotic withdrawal. How special that we will now be risking war with a country a bit more prepared than Iraq or Afghanistan. They may be more prepared, but the US could still "Kick ass". We could "shock and awe" Tehran just as we did Bagdad. But of course there are great costs to doing so. This is Bolton's wet dream. If we did this we could remake the Middle East, with the acquiescence and help of Saudi and Israel, and probably our client state of Iraq. The Afghan is too disfunctional to do much but "blub, blub". Per his reckoning we would now be able to mold the region to our preferred world order, with US petro-dollars reigning supreme, and the Euro, the Ruble and the Yuan all still out in the cold. Unfortunately, the second casualty of war after the truth are all the well laid plans that went before. This scenario would likely not play out as nicely and neatly as this chicken- hawk dreams it will. However we would certainly face thousands of American casualties, and billions/ trillions in debt over it. NOT a good idea. And for S&G's - can we imagine all the things that could go wrong? I can't imagine this US attempt at creating a new middle east will be any more successful than any of the other attempts over the past 80 years.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 9, 2019 16:11:23 GMT -5
They may be more prepared, but the US could still "Kick ass". We could "shock and awe" Tehran just as we did Bagdad. But of course there are great costs to doing so. This is Bolton's wet dream. If we did this we could remake the Middle East, with the acquiescence and help of Saudi and Israel, and probably our client state of Iraq. The Afghan is too disfunctional to do much but "blub, blub". Per his reckoning we would now be able to mold the region to our preferred world order, with US petro-dollars reigning supreme, and the Euro, the Ruble and the Yuan all still out in the cold. Unfortunately, the second casualty of war after the truth are all the well laid plans that went before. This scenario would likely not play out as nicely and neatly as this chicken- hawk dreams it will. However we would certainly face thousands of American casualties, and billions/ trillions in debt over it. NOT a good idea. And for S&G's - can we imagine all the things that could go wrong? I can't imagine this US attempt at creating a new middle east will be any more successful than any of the other attempts over the past 80 years. No worries.....Jared Kusher is on it! He's in charge of "peace in the Middle East".
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Post by weltschmerz on May 9, 2019 16:16:07 GMT -5
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Post by thyme4change on May 9, 2019 17:23:53 GMT -5
You wouldn't believe how complicated the middle east. Who could have predicted that?
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Post by weltschmerz on May 9, 2019 17:31:20 GMT -5
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OldCoyote
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Post by OldCoyote on May 10, 2019 7:37:13 GMT -5
So, is this the Liberal crisis today? Or just in the last couple of hours,, Don't worry it will change by this evening,,, Then there will be a new greater crisis!!
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Post by Tennesseer on May 10, 2019 9:19:03 GMT -5
So, is this the Liberal crisis today? Or just in the last couple of hours,, Don't worry it will change by this evening,,, Then there will be a new greater crisis!!
War is not considered a crisis by whatever political persuasion you consider yourself to be AS? Waiting for an "intelligent" reply which maybe involves "golden showers".
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Post by OldCoyote on May 10, 2019 11:19:41 GMT -5
So, is this the Liberal crisis today? Or just in the last couple of hours,, Don't worry it will change by this evening,,, Then there will be a new greater crisis!!
War is not considered a crisis by whatever political persuasion you consider yourself to be AS? So We are going to war now,, How about tomorrow,,
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Post by billisonboard on May 10, 2019 11:22:28 GMT -5
War is not considered a crisis by whatever political persuasion you consider yourself to be AS? So We are going to war now,, How about tomorrow,, The time to have a discussion about going to war is prior to going to war.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 10, 2019 11:36:24 GMT -5
What have we heard for the last two years ,, We are going to war with Korea, Nuclear weapons ,, Trump is going to get us all killed ,, And if it was not that it was another advisor has left the White House oh my God Who is protecting from Trump. It was the Russian it was the Russians!!! Tariff's He is ruining America,, All the Farmers going broke!! DACA, DACA, Oh thoses poor children!!! Iran ,, Iran,,, We are going to war. The Wall We don't need any stinkin Wall!! Trump is a Racist Trump is a racist!! Trump is obstructing, Stop him Stop him!! Trump is starting a price war with Canada.. Thousands will die!! The migrants,, the migrants !! Global Warming the Earth is going to Die!!
SO AGAIN WHAT IS THE NEXT GREAT CRISIS??
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dondub
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Post by dondub on May 10, 2019 11:42:43 GMT -5
That your wife requests you simmer down and put your hyperbole back in the closet.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2019 11:54:32 GMT -5
What have we heard for the last two years ,, We are going to war with Korea, Nuclear weapons ,, Trump is going to get us all killed ,, And if it was not that it was another advisor has left the White House oh my God Who is protecting from Trump. It was the Russian it was the Russians!!! Tariff's He is ruining America,, All the Farmers going broke!! DACA, DACA, Oh thoses poor children!!! Iran ,, Iran,,, We are going to war. The Wall We don't need any stinkin Wall!! Trump is a Racist Trump is a racist!! Trump is obstructing, Stop him Stop him!! Trump is starting a price war with Canada.. Thousands will die!! The migrants,, the migrants !! Global Warming the Earth is going to Die!!
SO AGAIN WHAT IS THE NEXT GREAT CRISIS??
EBOLA!!!!
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Post by billisonboard on May 10, 2019 12:16:41 GMT -5
Sounding an alarm can help minimize the threat.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 10, 2019 12:17:07 GMT -5
Ednkris, Funny that your un-United nations has 4 of the original six signatories to the much needed Iran Treaty. This treaty was a master stroke of diplomacy by Obama and was working well until the belligerent in chief decided to pander to extremists. Now the Iranians are starting their own reneging based on Trumps idiotic withdrawal. How special that we will now be risking war with a country a bit more prepared than Iraq or Afghanistan. They may be more prepared, but the US could still "Kick ass". We could "shock and awe" Tehran just as we did Bagdad. But of course there are great costs to doing so. This is Bolton's wet dream. If we did this we could remake the Middle East, with the acquiescence and help of Saudi and Israel, and probably our client state of Iraq. The Afghan is too disfunctional to do much but "blub, blub". Per his reckoning we would now be able to mold the region to our preferred world order, with US petro-dollars reigning supreme, and the Euro, the Ruble and the Yuan all still out in the cold. Unfortunately, the second casualty of war after the truth are all the well laid plans that went before. This scenario would likely not play out as nicely and neatly as this chicken- hawk dreams it will. However we would certainly face thousands of American casualties, and billions/ trillions in debt over it. NOT a good idea. And for S&G's - can we imagine all the things that could go wrong? And who is silly enough to think all the other countries will stay out of a war like this if we start it? We may not be there yet, but we are moving in the direction of WWIII.
Please remember that with all the LR rockets etc. this time we may not be able to make other countries carry the bulk ofthe destruction; they may well try to bring this to US soil (through the air)
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Post by OldCoyote on May 10, 2019 14:19:39 GMT -5
Sounding an alarm can help minimize the threat. Yea, something like the sky is falling,, so many times ,,if the sky does fall, no one will pay attention!
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Post by billisonboard on May 10, 2019 14:25:28 GMT -5
Sounding an alarm can help minimize the threat. Yea, something like the sky is falling,, so many times ,,if the sky does fall, no one will pay attention! Or something like a concern of conflicts of interest makes it more difficult to provide favors.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2019 15:35:20 GMT -5
Sounding an alarm can help minimize the threat. Yea, something like the sky is falling,, so many times ,,if the sky does fall, no one will pay attention! EBOLA!!!!
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Post by OldCoyote on May 10, 2019 15:46:59 GMT -5
Yea, something like the sky is falling,, so many times ,,if the sky does fall, no one will pay attention! EBOLA!!!! That would do it!
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Post by tbop77 on May 10, 2019 16:57:36 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2019 17:03:17 GMT -5
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Post by OldCoyote on May 10, 2019 17:27:05 GMT -5
The only difference is instead of the Repo screaming the Sky is falling,, it's the Demo's that are doing it!
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Post by happyhoix on May 12, 2019 15:52:52 GMT -5
I remember that.
My MIL was certain we would all be forced to be Muslims and have to live under Sharia law while my Mom was certain black people would be bussed into middle class neighborhoods like hers and they would be obligated to give the blacks their houses.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 12, 2019 16:23:33 GMT -5
I remember that.
My MIL was certain we would all be forced to be Muslims and have to live under Sharia law while my Mom was certain black people would be bussed into middle class neighborhoods like hers and they would be obligated to give the blacks their houses.
Who can forget the 2015 U.S. Army’s Jade Helm conspiracies and all those closed Walmart stores. Fun times.
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Post by kadee79 on May 12, 2019 16:28:44 GMT -5
Too bad #10 didn't happen!
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Post by kadee79 on May 12, 2019 16:32:39 GMT -5
Tariff's He is ruining America,, All the Farmers going broke!! I guess you haven't kept up again....many, many farmers are going broke...either declaring bankruptcy, selling out or just committing suicide. Look up the recent stats. And it's going to get worse with all the flooding in the Midwest too.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 12, 2019 16:52:19 GMT -5
What have we heard for the last two years ,, We are going to war with Korea, Nuclear weapons ,, Trump is going to get us all killed ,, And if it was not that it was another advisor has left the White House oh my God Who is protecting from Trump. It was the Russian it was the Russians!!! Tariff's He is ruining America,, All the Farmers going broke!! DACA, DACA, Oh thoses poor children!!! Iran ,, Iran,,, We are going to war. The Wall We don't need any stinkin Wall!! Trump is a Racist Trump is a racist!! Trump is obstructing, Stop him Stop him!! Trump is starting a price war with Canada.. Thousands will die!! The migrants,, the migrants !! Global Warming the Earth is going to Die!!
SO AGAIN WHAT IS THE NEXT GREAT CRISIS??
First smart thing you ever said..... DONALD TRUMP'S TARIFFS AND TRADE WARS ARE DESTROYING BUSINESS CONFIDENCE AROUND THE WORLD, SURVEY SHOWS www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-tarriff-trade-war-destroying-business-confidence-around-world-1359017Trump’s Tariffs Are a New Tax on Americans www.nytimes.com/2019/05/10/opinion/trump-tax-china-tariff.html
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Post by weltschmerz on May 12, 2019 16:56:59 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on May 12, 2019 16:59:05 GMT -5
Watch...AS will pull a ubiquitous "WhooHoo!" out of his ass and tell us HE'S doing great!
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