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Post by happyhoix on May 8, 2019 9:01:35 GMT -5
As you probably recall, Trump completely pulled us out of the 2015 Iranian nuclear deal a year ago and has applied sanctions against Iran.
Now, Iran has announced they would stop complying with two of its commitments under the Iranian nuclear deal.
Mr Rouhani, the Iranian president, said that he would give European nations 60 days to choose between following Trump and killing the 2015 deal completely, or engaging with Iran in trade (a violation of the unilateral American sanctions). If the Europeans failed to compensate for the American sanctions, Iran will go back to constructing it's Arak nuclear reactor, which it had shut down after the 2015 agreement.
China is blaming the US for escalating the tensions in the first place. Even Russia is blaming the US for their 'irresponsible behavior.'
www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/us/politics/iran-nuclear-deal.html
This is the kind of situation I've been afraid of since Trump took office. We have Trump and Bolton, maniacal bus conductors driving the nation off a cliff into war. Trump badly needs a diversion from his constant fight with Congress and all the ongoing investigations into himself and his company - he might consider a war just the thing to rally his Trumpettes to him. Now all we have to hang our hats on is the hope that the military commanders are strong enough to refuse to obey a Trump order to launch the nukes.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 8, 2019 9:34:19 GMT -5
Weren't you one of the posters who thought it was a good thing for Obama to give Iran billions of $$$$$$ Well now the have the money to start up their bomb making factory!
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2019 9:53:43 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on May 8, 2019 10:23:20 GMT -5
Weren't you one of the posters who thought it was a good thing for Obama to give return Iran the billions of $$$$$$ we stole? Well now the have the money to start up their bomb making factory!
they had it anyway, by selling oil.
which is precisely what the issue is.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 10:35:58 GMT -5
Another Middle East war, more lives at risk and treasure spent (borrowed).
Spectacular news for our weapon makers though.
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Post by bean29 on May 8, 2019 10:37:50 GMT -5
My Daughters Boyfriend is in the Marine Reserves. He was supposed to go to Afghanistan this summer. His deployment got cancelled apparently due to budget reasons.
This escalation in Iraq and Venezuela make me very nervous.
The Republicans in Congress have abdicated all responsibility for checks and balances on the executive branch.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 8, 2019 10:50:46 GMT -5
query: is there an AUMF presently?
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Post by happyhoix on May 8, 2019 11:05:40 GMT -5
Another Middle East war, more lives at risk and treasure spent (borrowed). Spectacular news for our weapon makers though. Perfect Wag the Dog to help distract the masses from Trump's continual shit storm on the domestic front, too.
I think Trump would not hesitate to put our soldiers and our tax dollars at risk in another ME war if he thought being a War President would help him get re-elected.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 8, 2019 11:07:13 GMT -5
Another Middle East war, more lives at risk and treasure spent (borrowed). Spectacular news for our weapon makers though. Perfect Wag the Dog to help distract the masses from Trump's continual shit storm on the domestic front, too.
I think Trump would not hesitate to put our soldiers and our tax dollars at risk in another ME war if he thought being a War President would help him get re-elected.
....and keep him out of jail.....
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Post by dondub on May 8, 2019 11:48:38 GMT -5
Weren't you one of the posters who thought it was a good thing for Obama to give Iran billions of $$$$$$ Well now the have the money to start up their bomb making factory!
As part of the six nation agreement with Iran they were allowed to receive their own funds back from us. I know you know this.
Now we have made the huge mistake of withdrawing from that treaty, renewing sanctions against Iran, and implementing the usual bully boy saber rattling.
Bolton the hegemonist has long lusted after war on Iran. Trump could use the distraction and the bump in popularity war brings to a POTUS. We may be doomed.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 8, 2019 11:57:01 GMT -5
Weren't you one of the posters who thought it was a good thing for Obama to give Iran billions of $$$$$$ Well now the have the money to start up their bomb making factory!
Obama didn't "give" Iran billions of $$$$$. Do try to keep up, and don't believe Trump, memes and Fox News, like a good little Trump ass-licker. THIS is why Trump loves the uneducated and ignorant. They'll swallow anything he says.
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Post by bean29 on May 8, 2019 12:02:42 GMT -5
I hear you Bean. Thankful my wife's Nephew is finished with his service. He was a Marine stationed aboard the Abe Lincoln. Hopefully the DDBF does his reserve duty in home waters! He has been on active duty 2-3 times already. he was actually disappointed that it was cancelled. Also many of they guys in the unit with him are disappointed. Cancelling a scheduled deployment is causing numerous problems. Apparently some of his friends attached to the unit after it was scheduled to deploy, but they are not from this state. One guy sold his house and bought a different one in a small town close to the wife's parents, but it is pretty far from his job. Two other guys were halfway through training for Police and Firefighter positions, and had to stop mid -stream. They now have to start over from scratch. Some had to withdraw from school b/c of the training schedule. Her boyfriend is in school, but his teachers were accommodating with letting him work ahead, take exams on an alternate schedule. He quit his job, but they told him not to quit, b/c his job would be protected when he returns. He was quitting b/c of his hours, and they gave him better hours.
Afghanistan would be a better (safer) place to deploy (I think).
DD said her boyfriend is filming a recruitment commercial today. I don't know if the military arranged it or not. They dog sit for the guy that is running it, and he asked DBF to be in the commercial. He had declined b/c he would have been in training...but notified they guy that he could now do it, so they film this afternoon.
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Post by mmhmm on May 8, 2019 15:18:51 GMT -5
Weren't you one of the posters who thought it was a good thing for Obama to give Iran billions of $$$$$$ Well now the have the money to start up their bomb making factory!
When are you going to understand that Iran wasn't "given" anything by Obama? That money belonged to Iran, not the US.
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Post by countrygirl2 on May 8, 2019 16:31:13 GMT -5
My son is in the middle east now till about October. I figured A hole would pull something like this. Yes, I'm very worried.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 8, 2019 21:09:13 GMT -5
Weren't you one of the posters who thought it was a good thing for Obama to give Iran billions of $$$$$$ Well now the have the money to start up their bomb making factory!
As part of the six nation agreement with Iran they were allowed to receive their own funds back from us. I know you know this.
Now we have made the huge mistake of withdrawing from that treaty, renewing sanctions against Iran, and implementing the usual bully boy saber rattling.
Bolton the hegemonist has long lusted after war on Iran. Trump could use the distraction and the bump in popularity war brings to a POTUS. We may be doomed.
Hmmm, Iran,, the Country that has said they would kill every American on the face of the Earth! you mean that one??
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Post by djAdvocate on May 8, 2019 23:15:55 GMT -5
As part of the six nation agreement with Iran they were allowed to receive their own funds back from us. I know you know this.
Now we have made the huge mistake of withdrawing from that treaty, renewing sanctions against Iran, and implementing the usual bully boy saber rattling.
Bolton the hegemonist has long lusted after war on Iran. Trump could use the distraction and the bump in popularity war brings to a POTUS. We may be doomed.
Hmmm, Iran,, the Country that has said they would kill every American on the face of the Earth! you mean that one??
you think we should go to war with them, oc?
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Post by dondub on May 8, 2019 23:51:59 GMT -5
AS, You believed them? Hahahaha. Get a clue bro.
One Trident sub turns them into an obsidian parking lot.
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Post by dondub on May 9, 2019 0:33:59 GMT -5
And AS....if you want to get edumacated about it wiki Death to America. Or don’t and continue apace.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 9, 2019 5:53:53 GMT -5
And AS....if you want to get edumacated about it wiki Death to America. Or don’t and continue apace.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 9, 2019 5:58:53 GMT -5
One of the young men that sub for me is married to an Iranian, Her family travel between here and Iran a couple times a years,, I thought there was a travel restriction, Apparently not,, or at least not everyone.
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Post by ednkris on May 9, 2019 8:17:43 GMT -5
Weren't you one of the posters who thought it was a good thing for Obama to give Iran billions of $$$$$$ Well now the have the money to start up their bomb making factory!
As part of the six nation agreement with Iran they were allowed to receive their own funds back from us. I know you know this.
Now we have made the huge mistake of withdrawing from that treaty, renewing sanctions against Iran, and implementing the usual bully boy saber rattling.
Bolton the hegemonist has long lusted after war on Iran. Trump could use the distraction and the bump in popularity war brings to a POTUS. We may be doomed.
There should have been no agreement and certainly no money given. They should have been given the command to stop seeking out nukes or become a parking lot. This is obamas shit show no back bone. Don't say oh what about the innocent lives, no one gave a shit about our innocent lives on 9/11.
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Post by billisonboard on May 9, 2019 8:38:27 GMT -5
Iran can't be trusted with nuclear weapons because they will use them to threaten and potentially use them against other countries. Therefore ... They should have been given the command to stop seeking out nukes or become a parking lot. ...
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Post by ednkris on May 9, 2019 8:44:41 GMT -5
Iran can't be trusted with nuclear weapons because they will use them to threaten and potentially use them against other countries. Therefore ... They should have been given the command to stop seeking out nukes or become a parking lot. ... And ?? Personally i think there should be a new united nations. With only the United States, Germany, China, Japan, and Russia thats right I said said Russia. The rest needs to fall in line
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Post by thyme4change on May 9, 2019 8:46:40 GMT -5
Iran can't be trusted with nuclear weapons because they will use them to threaten and potentially use them against other countries. Therefore ... They should have been given the command to stop seeking out nukes or become a parking lot. ... Isn't that kinda what the agreement said? And they were complying. Unlike unnamed country who is rapidly developing the power to nuke Japan.
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Post by tbop77 on May 9, 2019 8:54:22 GMT -5
Iran can't be trusted with nuclear weapons because they will use them to threaten and potentially use them against other countries. Therefore And ?? Personally i think there should be a new united nations. With only the United States, Germany, China, Japan, and Russia thats right I said said Russia. The rest needs to fall in line This should be posted in the "Trump's America" thread.
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Post by billisonboard on May 9, 2019 10:24:37 GMT -5
Iran can't be trusted with nuclear weapons because they will use them to threaten and potentially use them against other countries. Therefore And ?? Personally i think there should be a new united nations. With only the United States, Germany, China, Japan, and Russia thats right I said said Russia. The rest needs to fall in line A common thought throughout history. Germany, Italy and Japan was one of the more recent groupings that felt the "rest need(ed) to fall in line.
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Post by dondub on May 9, 2019 11:22:39 GMT -5
Ednkris,
Funny that your un-United nations has 4 of the original six signatories to the much needed Iran Treaty. This treaty was a master stroke of diplomacy by Obama and was working well until the belligerent in chief decided to pander to extremists.
Now the Iranians are starting their own reneging based on Trumps idiotic withdrawal. How special that we will now be risking war with a country a bit more prepared than Iraq or Afghanistan.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 9, 2019 11:43:16 GMT -5
Iran can't be trusted with nuclear weapons because they will use them to threaten and potentially use them against other countries. Therefore And ?? Personally i think there should be a new united nations. With only the United States, Germany, China, Japan, and Russia thats right I said said Russia. The rest needs to fall in line I think there should be a new UN without the US.
we do very little in the UN other than impede their work.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on May 9, 2019 13:33:57 GMT -5
I am watching what he does. We have a carrier group leaving early for destination Iran. We have B-52 bombers on their way for.... same place. With John Bolton as a highly influential advisor, I am actually quite concerned about how this may play out. I would not be surprised if we are not at war by June 1. On the other hand, I would not be surprised if we were. Crap, my grandson is part of that carrier group.
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