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Post by OldCoyote on May 15, 2019 8:57:19 GMT -5
The Christians have videos??,,, a bunch of them, With them screaming "Death to America"?
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Post by OldCoyote on May 15, 2019 8:57:52 GMT -5
The Muslim's,,, are such nice loving people!! As were the Christians in the Crusades (1096 - 1291). How about 2019?
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Post by OldCoyote on May 15, 2019 9:00:15 GMT -5
IBD used to be a business journal.
until they were taken over by lunatics.
now they are somewhere between The Washington Times and WND.
Not a surprise that the poster's other source was The Washington Times, is it? One wonders why he didn't go for the triple. You can't win the debate here, so you attack the messenger!!!
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Post by dondub on May 15, 2019 9:06:29 GMT -5
What debate?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 15, 2019 9:07:42 GMT -5
The Christians have videos??,,, a bunch of them, With them screaming "Death to Islam/Iran/etc America"? who needs videos when you have a billion blog posts?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 15, 2019 9:08:25 GMT -5
Not a surprise that the poster's other source was The Washington Times, is it? One wonders why he didn't go for the triple. You can't win the debate here, so you attack the messenger!!! legitimate critique is not the same thing as "attack", snowflake.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 15, 2019 9:13:24 GMT -5
Video after video, showing these loving people, including the top religious leader screaming "Death to America". It was OK to give them billion and billion to fund terror!! Well it worked,, the are doing it Great job Obama!!! Give the North Koreans billion for their Bomb program,, IT worked, Great job Clinton!!
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Post by OldCoyote on May 15, 2019 9:15:47 GMT -5
You can't win the debate here, so you attack the messenger!!! legitimate critique is not the same thing as "attack", snowflake. DJ, at least you do debate,, some times to the extreme.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 9:26:39 GMT -5
How about the US gets out of the Middle East? I would wager the Death to America chants would stop within 5 years.
Frankly I don’t give a shit if Saudi Arabia and Iran go to war as long as we aren’t spending US lives and treasure.
And while we are at it, let’s get out of South Korea as well.
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Post by dondub on May 15, 2019 9:28:40 GMT -5
AS, On May 8th I requested you wiki ‘death to America’. Your response was a smiley face. Yet you talk about debate...
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Post by djAdvocate on May 15, 2019 9:36:23 GMT -5
How about the US gets out of the Middle East? I would wager the Death to America chants would stop within 5 years. Frankly I don’t give a shit if Saudi Arabia and Iran go to war as long as we aren’t spending US lives and treasure. And while we are at it, let’s get out of South Korea as well. we have been f(*king them hard since 1958, when the CIA engineered a coup to overthrow Mossadeh, if not before.
it is like Ron Paul said in the debates, they wouldn't be terrorizing us if we stopped meddling in their affairs. the analogy he used is imagine China had a giant base in Palm Beach, Florida, and basically ran things in Palm Beach and the surrounding area. how would we feel about that? we would be pissed, right? we would probably lash out at China. we would bomb their embassies, and boycott their products, and burn their flag in protest, right?
I would hope we would.
this is how the Muslim world feels about us and our bases in the ME.
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Post by dondub on May 15, 2019 9:49:44 GMT -5
DJ, You won’t find many Repo-Cons that will go back to the Mossadegh assassination as they would have to accept that ‘we started it’ by killing their democratically elected leader. Much easier to ostrich that and find the Shah a dear allie instead, Savak be damned.
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Post by countrygirl2 on May 15, 2019 10:05:20 GMT -5
The british high command said there was no threat they had found. I believe them, trump and company is just wanting an excuse to go after someone, Bolton engineered the last war and the dumbass is back again. What is wrong with these people?
We just keep churning it over there and wonder what is wrong, we destroyed functioning societies and countries. We may not agree with how they live but leave them alone, they will eventually fix their own woes or not if left alone. We have our own huge problems to fix here, we are watching the death of democracy in the US.
I also think we start another war, NATO will walk and should in my opinion.
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Post by dondub on May 15, 2019 10:08:42 GMT -5
I’ll wait patiently for AS to “debate” on that point and/or to wiki Death to America to examine what it really means. I’m just positive it won’t take long.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 15, 2019 10:10:11 GMT -5
What if I agree with you on getting out of the Middle East? What if I agree that if We left that a few years down the road that the "Death to America" demonstration would go away? What if I agree that We should pull most of our Troops out of Countries around the World? What if I agree that one state's abortion laws are way overboard?,
Wow, if I were to keep this up,,,, That would make Me look more like you,,,, That would not be pretty!!!!
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Post by OldCoyote on May 15, 2019 10:12:15 GMT -5
We only need to look to Vietnam,, A while back they were out sworn enemy,,
today a trading partner!
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Post by tallguy on May 15, 2019 10:27:18 GMT -5
Not a surprise that the poster's other source was The Washington Times, is it? One wonders why he didn't go for the triple. You can't win the debate here, so you attack the messenger!!! If you were capable of debate it might be worth the effort to engage in it. You're not, so I don't.
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Post by dondub on May 15, 2019 10:28:42 GMT -5
Just think...if we had to murdered Iran’s leader in the 50’s they could have been our trading partner for the last 60+ years. We would have been able to skip all that Repo-Con Iran-Contra treason.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 15, 2019 10:29:33 GMT -5
You can't win the debate here, so you attack the messenger!!! If you were capable of debate it might be worth the effort to engage in it. You're not, so I don't. Annd you make me so happy cause of it! Wooooo, Hooooooo!!!!
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Post by OldCoyote on May 15, 2019 10:30:47 GMT -5
Just think...if we had to murdered Iran’s leader in the 50’s they could have been our trading partner for the last 60+ years. We would have been able to skip all that Repo-Con Iran-Contra treason. I agree with you! But Our CIA is such a wonderful thing!!!
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Post by djAdvocate on May 15, 2019 10:31:47 GMT -5
Just think...if we had to murdered Iran’s leader in the 50’s they could have been our trading partner for the last 60+ years. We would have been able to skip all that Repo-Con Iran-Contra treason. many Iranians still have a favorable view of us from the time BEFORE Mossadeh, when we constructively engaged them to free them of the British oil monopoly.
but Trump is going to demolish what little goodwill we have remaining.
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Post by tallguy on May 15, 2019 10:33:38 GMT -5
I pity anyone whose "best self" is internet troll. I wonder, when does one decide that is the limit of what they are capable of being?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 11:10:23 GMT -5
How about the US gets out of the Middle East? I would wager the Death to America chants would stop within 5 years. Frankly I don’t give a shit if Saudi Arabia and Iran go to war as long as we aren’t spending US lives and treasure. And while we are at it, let’s get out of South Korea as well. And how come YOU'RE not running for president? I think if you fairly polled Americans on those views they would be favored by a large margin, but it seems like the public is never asked and besides a few like Rand Paul it isn’t even offered as a solution. I think the defense lobby has its tentacles dug so far into both parties we won’t see that view widely taken by our politicians any time soon.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 15, 2019 11:12:53 GMT -5
the Israeli lobby, as well.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 15, 2019 12:06:30 GMT -5
Video after video, showing these loving people, including the top religious leader screaming "Death to America". It was OK to give them billion and billion to fund terror!! Well it worked,, the are doing it Great job Obama!!! Give the North Koreans billion for their Bomb program,, IT worked, Great job Clinton!!
Did I call it or did I call it? Here he is again, spouting his nonsense that the USA GAVE Iran billions of dollars. Like I said, completely untethered to reality. You can hit him over the head with facts, but it doesn't matter. If he wants to believe that the USA gave them billions of dollars, then by God, it happened!
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Post by happyhoix on May 16, 2019 12:24:34 GMT -5
well, it's getting worse.
The State Dept ordered non essential US personnel to leave Iraq yesterday, citing concerns of a potential conflict with Iran.
The WH claims the US forces, allies and interests are potential targets by Iranian security forces or their proxies - but provides no details. Congress has demanded the WH provide proof of this 'potential targeting' but let's not hold our breath. Spain had a ship traveling with the US fleet in the region, but turned it around to come home, because they don't want any part of Trump's potential war. Our allies are saying they have no evidence of any 'potential targeting' that the WH claims is happening. Pompeo is over in Europe trying to get our allies to join in to the 'maximum pressure' campaign, but they're not buying - the EU's foreign affairs official says we need 'maximum restraint.' One problem is the US isn't being really clear on what it wants. It's almost like Trump has no actual game plan for this. www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/citing-threats-us-builds-case-%E2%80%94-and-military-force-%E2%80%94-for-confronting-iran/ar-AABqpUx
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Trump make a campaign promise to keep us out of foreign wars? Why is he now trying to start one? Is Bolton in complete charge?
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Post by weltschmerz on May 16, 2019 12:33:07 GMT -5
well, it's getting worse.
The State Dept ordered non essential US personnel to leave Iraq yesterday, citing concerns of a potential conflict with Iran.
The WH claims the US forces, allies and interests are potential targets by Iranian security forces or their proxies - but provides no details. Congress has demanded the WH provide proof of this 'potential targeting' but let's not hold our breath. Spain had a ship traveling with the US fleet in the region, but turned it around to come home, because they don't want any part of Trump's potential war. Our allies are saying they have no evidence of any 'potential targeting' that the WH claims is happening. Pompeo is over in Europe trying to get our allies to join in to the 'maximum pressure' campaign, but they're not buying - the EU's foreign affairs official says we need 'maximum restraint.' One problem is the US isn't being really clear on what it wants. It's almost like Trump has no actual game plan for this. www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/citing-threats-us-builds-case-%E2%80%94-and-military-force-%E2%80%94-for-confronting-iran/ar-AABqpUx
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Trump make a campaign promise to keep us out of foreign wars? Why is he now trying to start one? Is Bolton in complete charge?
Start a war there, and you're on your own. None of your allies will participate in yet another of America's pointless wars.
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Post by happyhoix on May 16, 2019 12:37:44 GMT -5
I say we send Trump, Don Jr, Eric, Ivanka and Tiffany out in their coordinating safari gear and big game rifles and let them fight it out with the Iranians.
They can all fit into a gold plated tank. It would be awesome.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 16, 2019 12:39:56 GMT -5
I say we send Trump, Don Jr, Eric, Ivanka and Tiffany out in their coordinating safari gear and big game rifles and let them fight it out with the Iranians.
They can all fit into a gold plated tank. It would be awesome. I'm betting they will all claim they have bone spurs.
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Post by happyhoix on May 16, 2019 12:45:25 GMT -5
I say we send Trump, Don Jr, Eric, Ivanka and Tiffany out in their coordinating safari gear and big game rifles and let them fight it out with the Iranians.
They can all fit into a gold plated tank. It would be awesome. I'm betting they will all claim they have bone spurs. You know that ' you break it, you buy it' rule they have in stores?
We'd have a lot less wars if we had a 'you start it, you fight it' rule.
I'm really worried there will be some accidental trigger for this, and before you know it, Trump's on the red phone calling for the nukes. I'm resting my faith in our military commanders who have all been through many military engagements and who hopefully will resist getting tangled in another because Trump couldn't get Bolton to sit down and shut the fuck up.
Dying in a nuclear Armageddon is bad enough, but a nuclear Armageddon caused by Con Don and his clown car of administrators would be so very embarrassing.
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