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Post by Value Buy on Feb 10, 2016 12:06:29 GMT -5
Bloomberg. Biden was not mentioned. Bloomberg is assumed to be going Independent. Biden would have to go the Democratic ticket route, and I do not know if he can at this late time. Most states had to be declared by party already.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 10, 2016 12:08:45 GMT -5
I want Christie to stay in because I really liked how he was sticking it to Rubio in the debate. Sorry. Just saw on MSN that Christie bowed out of the race. I think what you saw was "it is reported he will drop out Wednesday", and then there was a denial by someone that he made up his mind
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 10, 2016 12:13:07 GMT -5
Why? Are they limiting the debate number again? I was looking forward to Florina being on the stage, and Ben Carson missing the cut based on votes last night. In order to qualify for this debate, candidates will have to meet one of the following criteria: 1) Place among the top five candidates ranked according to the popular vote in the New Hampshire Republican primary on Feb. 9, 2016; 2) have placed among the top three candidates ranked according to the popular vote in the Iowa Republican caucuses on Feb. 2, 2016; 3) place among the top five candidates in an average of national and South Carolina Republican presidential polls conducted over a four-week period starting on Jan. 15, 2016 and recognized by CBS News; and receive a minimum of 3 percent in the Iowa, New Hampshire results or the South Carolina or national polls. To be included, polls must be conducted and released to the public before 12 p.m. ET on Feb. 12, 2016. www.cbsnews.com/news/criteria-for-cbs-news-republican-debate/Wow, talk about winnowing the debate pool. No one will be safe at the podium. They will be going after each other helter skelter...... Trump Kasich Bush Cruz Rubio You know, Kasich just might come out with the least blood lost, but no one in South Carolina is voting left wing Republican this year anyway
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 10, 2016 12:28:12 GMT -5
Sorry. Just saw on MSN that Christie bowed out of the race. I think what you saw was "it is reported he will drop out Wednesday", and then there was a denial by someone that he made up his mind I went back to look, it says "REPORT- Christie to drop out of the race!" Which means someone said something to someone who may be on Christie's staff about something someone else heard in passing.
So - sorry for the false alarm.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 12:28:22 GMT -5
He exceeded expectations. Just ask all the bashers from this board! these were the last poll results: T31.2 R14.0 K13.5 C11.8 B11.5 these are the latest returns from NH: T33.9 K15.6 C11.8 B11.5 R10.5 Bush and Cruz are precisely at their polling average. Kasich is overperforming. Trump is overperforming. Christie is overperforming. Rubio is underperforming. so, this is how it ended up: T35.4 K15.7 C11.7 B11.0 R10.5 not much change from the 3% totals, except for Trump, who swept up the last remains of the primary. Bush ended up slightly underperforming. ONLY Kasich, Trump and Christie overperformed.and Christie didn't even make the top five.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 12:30:42 GMT -5
I hope a USan will answer my question: As the Republican and the Democratic candidates ( EXCEPT FOR INCUMBENT PRESIDENTS RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION) who prevailed in New Hampshire primaries in 2000 through 2012 did not win the US Presidential election, what position rank(s) of the candidates should we pay attention to for attaining probable national victory in November? Second? Fourth? Are people just interested in NH because they're not fatigued by election reporting? Which states' primaries have been more reliable in predicting the next President? NH is way more reliable than Iowa. but really, early primaries show who is NOT going to win more than who will eventually prevail. if memory serves, no candidate on the GOP side has won BOTH Iowa AND NH, in....like....recorded history.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 12:31:55 GMT -5
in case you missed my point, there will be less than 8 candidates on March 5th. Didn't miss your point at all. Did you miss mine? Just because all votes not for Trump now exist as they do... doesn't mean they will still be against Trump when there are less players on the field. i got your point. but you still missed mine. if there are only 2-3 contestants left, and Trump is still getting 34%, how do you think he will do?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 12:33:33 GMT -5
Trump voters scare me though- between his clarifying one of his supporters calling Cruz a cat, and their wild support for bringing back waterboarding and 'worse' I just hope half of America is not full of them (bullies with an axe to grind)- or I will be joining our other poster and moving the hell out of this country- for real. Have been eyeing a lot of countries for retirement and a Trump presidency is the one thing that would motivate me to get it done And it isn't Trump himself- it is the people that he appeals to- there are normal people out there in other countries that see this farce for what it is and wonder if Americans are insane- and if half of us are- buh bye. I will be sure and report the move so some of you can tell me good riddance and document whether the door hit me in the ass on the way out. if you listen to their reasons for WHY they voted for him, almost to a person they say "because he is not a politician". well, neither is my kitten, but he would make a terrible president.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 12:37:14 GMT -5
It's a long time between now and the next primaries/caucuses .... will anyone drop out? Three weeks until Super Tuesday... here is what worries me: Trump is a bottomless pit of self aggrandizing nothing better to do with my billion-ness. he will be in all the way, and as he CORRECTLY states, nobody can tell him when to leave the race other than him. at least two of the other candidates are very well funded (Bush and Rubio). even if everyone else were OUT, if they split the vote evenly, Trump wins. so, we have a real dilemma in the GOP: we have people that are stubbornly staying in, despite no hope of winning, and we have a candidate who has no reason- no motiviation- to drop out that is going to scoop up the "we hate the establishment" vote and take it to the bank. i am STILL having a hard time envisioning how, without some sort of highly coordinated effort, we Trump.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 12:37:58 GMT -5
People in America dont' like dynasties. .............. they don't like dynastic wealth, either.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 12:39:24 GMT -5
The Donald (if he wins the primary) will not win the national election. There is no way there are that many freaking idiots in America! I don't know... I did not think he would get that far and was proven wrong! neither did i, but i think the exit polling data is very revealing, and explains WHY he has gotten this far.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 10, 2016 12:40:04 GMT -5
Didn't miss your point at all. Did you miss mine? Just because all votes not for Trump now exist as they do... doesn't mean they will still be against Trump when there are less players on the field. i got your point. but you still missed mine. if there are only 2-3 contestants left, and Trump is still getting 34%, how do you think he will do? IMHO Trump will stick around 35% and when the rest of the herd thins down, the voters will pick one of the last standing to be the GOP nominee and will get behind him. Don't know if this happens in the near future or whether this gets decided in a brawl at the convention.
Everyone has already decided if they are rabidly pro-Trump or rabidly anti-Trump. There are no undecided. Every person not already voting for him won't, in the future. IMHO. There aren't a bunch of voters out there who feel like they don't know enough about him yet to decide if they want to back him or not.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 12:41:30 GMT -5
I want Christie to stay in because I really liked how he was sticking it to Rubio in the debate. Christie is the Democratic Party's best weapon right now. Rubio is a bigger threat in the GE than any other candidate.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 10, 2016 12:43:01 GMT -5
I think what you saw was "it is reported he will drop out Wednesday", and then there was a denial by someone that he made up his mind I went back to look, it says "REPORT- Christie to drop out of the race!" Which means someone said something to someone who may be on Christie's staff about something someone else heard in passing.
So - sorry for the false alarm.
No problem, it is just a premature........(insert verb here) Probably happens this afternoon. It was "SPECULATION!" Honest!
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 12:43:03 GMT -5
President Trump!! Can't wait! he already is president. and yeah, i can't wait for him to get back to that, too.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 12:44:41 GMT -5
In order to qualify for this debate, candidates will have to meet one of the following criteria: 1) Place among the top five candidates ranked according to the popular vote in the New Hampshire Republican primary on Feb. 9, 2016; 2) have placed among the top three candidates ranked according to the popular vote in the Iowa Republican caucuses on Feb. 2, 2016; 3) place among the top five candidates in an average of national and South Carolina Republican presidential polls conducted over a four-week period starting on Jan. 15, 2016 and recognized by CBS News; and receive a minimum of 3 percent in the Iowa, New Hampshire results or the South Carolina or national polls. To be included, polls must be conducted and released to the public before 12 p.m. ET on Feb. 12, 2016. www.cbsnews.com/news/criteria-for-cbs-news-republican-debate/Wow, talk about winnowing the debate pool. No one will be safe at the podium. They will be going after each other helter skelter...... Trump Kasich Bush Cruz Rubio You know, Kasich just might come out with the least blood lost, but no one in South Carolina is voting left wing Republican this year anyway don't exaggerate. it doesn't help your argument.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 12:46:30 GMT -5
i got your point. but you still missed mine. if there are only 2-3 contestants left, and Trump is still getting 34%, how do you think he will do? IMHO Trump will stick around 35% and when the rest of the herd thins down, the voters will pick one of the last standing to be the GOP nominee and will get behind him. Don't know if this happens in the near future or whether this gets decided in a brawl at the convention.
Everyone has already decided if they are rabidly pro-Trump or rabidly anti-Trump. There are no undecided. Every person not already voting for him won't, in the future. IMHO. There aren't a bunch of voters out there who feel like they don't know enough about him yet to decide if they want to back him or not.
keep in mind that NH is also unusually INDEPENDENT, and that it is an OPEN PRIMARY. it is the ideal soup for Trump to swim in. SC is actually a better test in many ways. if he wins SC he is going to be tough to stop.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 12:48:15 GMT -5
I went back to look, it says "REPORT- Christie to drop out of the race!" Which means someone said something to someone who may be on Christie's staff about something someone else heard in passing.
So - sorry for the false alarm.
No problem, it is just a premature........(insert verb here) Probably happens this afternoon. It was "SPECULATION!" Honest! i don't know if 4th keeps Bush in, either. i would really like to see this field down to 4-5. like...soonish.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 10, 2016 12:51:34 GMT -5
No problem, it is just a premature........(insert verb here) Probably happens this afternoon. It was "SPECULATION!" Honest! i don't know if 4th keeps Bush in, either. i would really like to see this field down to 4-5. like...soonish. no. I want him past Super Tuesday so JEB has recovered enough to win the whole thing
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 10, 2016 12:56:14 GMT -5
IMHO Trump will stick around 35% and when the rest of the herd thins down, the voters will pick one of the last standing to be the GOP nominee and will get behind him. Don't know if this happens in the near future or whether this gets decided in a brawl at the convention.
Everyone has already decided if they are rabidly pro-Trump or rabidly anti-Trump. There are no undecided. Every person not already voting for him won't, in the future. IMHO. There aren't a bunch of voters out there who feel like they don't know enough about him yet to decide if they want to back him or not.
keep in mind that NH is also unusually INDEPENDENT, and that it is an OPEN PRIMARY. it is the ideal soup for Trump to swim in. SC is actually a better test in many ways. if he wins SC he is going to be tough to stop. Yes I'm going to be curious about SC too.
I'm not Southern but have lived in the South more years than I haven't. There is still the prevailing notion that politeness and decorum matter here. Arrogant Yankees are generally frowned on. Men who change wives like they change shoes are also frowned on (except for Newt Gingrich, who made up for his sexual mistakes by vigorously proclaiming himself 'saved' every time he had one.) It's a mixed bag on whether his attempts to pose as a Christian will be successful or will turn off the truly faithful.
So it will be interesting to see how well Trump does here.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 10, 2016 12:59:15 GMT -5
That would be nice, Jeb! vs. H>
Just like we originally thought. About as exciting as a vanilla bunt cake.
Yes. But is an exciting president something we really want?
Do we want to feel terror in our hearts every time he opens his mouth in public?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 13:03:44 GMT -5
i don't know if 4th keeps Bush in, either. i would really like to see this field down to 4-5. like...soonish. no. I want him past Super Tuesday so JEB has recovered enough to win the whole thing Jeb is barely on the radar in SC right now. that has to change.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 17:21:33 GMT -5
i would very much like to see Gilmore and Carson out, as well.
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Post by dondub on Feb 10, 2016 17:27:59 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 10, 2016 18:50:07 GMT -5
i would very much like to see Gilmore and Carson out, as well. Is Carson even conscious?
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 10, 2016 19:49:17 GMT -5
i would very much like to see Gilmore and Carson out, as well. Is Carson even conscious? He was down in Florida signing books the other day at the Forest Country club. On RT 41 by either Estero or north of Naples. The line for a signature was long. If all the people in line voted, he would be the choice. And no, I was not there.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 10, 2016 19:50:45 GMT -5
no. I want him past Super Tuesday so JEB has recovered enough to win the whole thing Jeb is barely on the radar in SC right now. that has to change. Your kidding. South Carolina loves Bush. Any Bush. Word is that his brother might be there to help him. Big military backing in SC
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Post by dondub on Feb 10, 2016 20:17:45 GMT -5
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Trump voters scare me though- between his clarifying one of his supporters calling Cruz a cat, and their wild support for bringing back waterboarding and 'worse' I just hope half of America is not full of them (bullies with an axe to grind)- or I will be joining our other poster and moving the hell out of this country- for real. Have been eyeing a lot of countries for retirement and a Trump presidency is the one thing that would motivate me to get it done And it isn't Trump himself- it is the people that he appeals to- there are normal people out there in other countries that see this farce for what it is and wonder if Americans are insane- and if half of us are- buh bye. I will be sure and report the move so some of you can tell me good riddance and document whether the door hit me in the ass on the way out. Have you been asleep for the past 8 years?
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