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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 20:33:28 GMT -5
The Donald (if he wins the primary) will not win the national election. There is no way there are that many freaking idiots in America! I would have believed you if that hadn't already been proven wrong two elections ago...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 20:42:45 GMT -5
Didn't miss your point at all. Did you miss mine? Just because all votes not for Trump now exist as they do... doesn't mean they will still be against Trump when there are less players on the field. i got your point. but you still missed mine. if there are only 2-3 contestants left, and Trump is still getting 34%, how do you think he will do? Why do you assume he will maintain the 34%? I can't answer your question because it includes a faulty premise.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 20:46:29 GMT -5
Richard, are you comparing Obama to Trump?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 20:46:42 GMT -5
That would be nice, Jeb! vs. H>
Just like we originally thought. About as exciting as a vanilla bunt cake.
Yes. But is an exciting president something we really want?
Do we want to feel terror in our hearts every time he opens his mouth in public?
How would that be different from the past 7 (and counting) years?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 20:47:41 GMT -5
Yes. But is an exciting president something we really want?
Do we want to feel terror in our hearts every time he opens his mouth in public?
How would that be different from the past 7 (and counting) years? And this is why it's not so hard to see why Trump is popular. If you seriously can't distinguish between Obama and Trump...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 20:51:53 GMT -5
Richard, are you comparing Obama to Trump? Not JUST Trump... but all the candidates from the two "major" parties... they are all bad choices... just like Obama was.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 10, 2016 20:54:34 GMT -5
Richard, are you comparing Obama to Trump? Not JUST Trump... but all the candidates from the two "major" parties... they are all bad choices... just like Obama was. The problem is that no one that actually wants to be President should ever be let near the office and those that would be best (and are in their right mind) would never want to go near the office. So we are at an impasse.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 20:55:16 GMT -5
How would that be different from the past 7 (and counting) years? And this is why it's not so hard to see why Trump is popular. If you seriously can't distinguish between Obama and Trump... I can distinguish the differences between the two just fine... can you not see the similarities?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 20:56:00 GMT -5
Not JUST Trump... but all the candidates from the two "major" parties... they are all bad choices... just like Obama was. The problem is that no one that actually wants to be President should ever be let near the office and those that would be best (and are in their right mind) would never want to go near the office. So we are at an impasse. That's an unfortunate truth... unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 20:58:47 GMT -5
And this is why it's not so hard to see why Trump is popular. If you seriously can't distinguish between Obama and Trump... I can distinguish the differences between the two just fine... can you not see the similarities? Honestly, no.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 20:59:03 GMT -5
Jeb is barely on the radar in SC right now. that has to change. Your kidding. South Carolina loves Bush. Any Bush. Word is that his brother might be there to help him. Big military backing in SC you're right. i apologize. i don't know where i was thinking of, but he really is a factor in SC. he is currently in 4th, just like NH. and i am sure he will do better than 4th. i have heard the same thing you heard. i just misread the poll.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 21:01:02 GMT -5
I can distinguish the differences between the two just fine... can you not see the similarities? Honestly, no. me neither. i just went down a long list of attributes and other than possibly height, i can't think of any similarities (other than the superficial ones, like having all four limbs presumably intact and functioning, a camera ready smile, and a tongue which seems to function within accepted ranges for speech). edit: oh yeah. male. as don pointed out. that one slipped my mind.....
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 21:03:54 GMT -5
i got your point. but you still missed mine. if there are only 2-3 contestants left, and Trump is still getting 34%, how do you think he will do? Why do you assume he will maintain the 34%? good question. the answer is in the exit polling. Trumps is approximately as popular as the electorate is with the GOP (about half). i reason that if 3/4 vote for him in NH, then that number will break down similarly elsewhere. but you might be right. the number might be significantly lower than 34%, given the high proportion of independents that made up the 34% in NH.
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Post by dondub on Feb 10, 2016 21:04:31 GMT -5
Male
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 21:17:59 GMT -5
I can distinguish the differences between the two just fine... can you not see the similarities? Honestly, no. That's a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 21:20:53 GMT -5
What would you list as their similarities?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 21:47:38 GMT -5
it doesn't trouble me in the slightest.
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me neither. i just went down a long list of attributes and other than possibly height, i can't think of any similarities (other than the superficial ones, like having all four limbs presumably intact and functioning, a camera ready smile, and a tongue which seems to function within accepted ranges for speech). edit: oh yeah. male. as don pointed out. that one slipped my mind..... I wasn't thinking about physical attributes. Let me give a few examples. The subjects may not be the same, but the "WTF?" factor is almost identical: O1: If you like your Doctor you can keep your Doctor. T1: I'll build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. 02: If you have a business, you didn't build that. T2: John McCain wasn't a war hero because he was captured. O3: I am not in favor of concealed weapons. (except, of course, for all the concealed weapons carried by his security detail and that of the security details of his wife and daughters.... not to mention all the exposed weaponry carried by everyone else that protects him & them) T3: Mexico is sending rapists and murderers over the border O4: “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.” T4: "Only Rosie O'Donnell" (in reply to Megyn Kelly asking him about all the nasty things he's said about women) O5: The Great Apology Tour - that lowered the respect of and the standing of the US as a World Power. T5: How the US will be seen by the world if we elect this egomaniac. Those are just the first 5 that come to mind.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 22:29:38 GMT -5
me neither. i just went down a long list of attributes and other than possibly height, i can't think of any similarities (other than the superficial ones, like having all four limbs presumably intact and functioning, a camera ready smile, and a tongue which seems to function within accepted ranges for speech). edit: oh yeah. male. as don pointed out. that one slipped my mind..... I wasn't thinking about physical attributes. Let me give a few examples. The subjects may not be the same, but the "WTF?" factor is almost identical: O1: If you like your Doctor you can keep your Doctor. T1: I'll build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. 02: If you have a business, you didn't build that. T2: John McCain wasn't a war hero because he was captured. O3: I am not in favor of concealed weapons. (except, of course, for all the concealed weapons carried by his security detail and that of the security details of his wife and daughters.... not to mention all the exposed weaponry carried by everyone else that protects him & them) T3: Mexico is sending rapists and murderers over the border O4: “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.” T4: "Only Rosie O'Donnell" (in reply to Megyn Kelly asking him about all the nasty things he's said about women) O5: The Great Apology Tour - that lowered the respect of and the standing of the US as a World Power. T5: How the US will be seen by the world if we elect this egomaniac. Those are just the first 5 that come to mind. only because i couldn't find anything other than physical attributes. if you are saying that Trump and Obama are similar because they both pander, then sure. that is about as much of a similarity as the fact that they are both tall. in other words, i don't see how that makes them any more similar than, say, Michelle Bachman and Barbara Lee.
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I wasn't thinking about physical attributes. Let me give a few examples. The subjects may not be the same, but the "WTF?" factor is almost identical: O1: If you like your Doctor you can keep your Doctor. T1: I'll build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. 02: If you have a business, you didn't build that. T2: John McCain wasn't a war hero because he was captured. O3: I am not in favor of concealed weapons. (except, of course, for all the concealed weapons carried by his security detail and that of the security details of his wife and daughters.... not to mention all the exposed weaponry carried by everyone else that protects him & them) T3: Mexico is sending rapists and murderers over the border O4: “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.” T4: "Only Rosie O'Donnell" (in reply to Megyn Kelly asking him about all the nasty things he's said about women) O5: The Great Apology Tour - that lowered the respect of and the standing of the US as a World Power. T5: How the US will be seen by the world if we elect this egomaniac. Those are just the first 5 that come to mind. only because i couldn't find anything other than physical attributes. if you are saying that Trump and Obama are similar because they both pander, then sure. that is about as much of a similarity as the fact that they are both tall. in other words, i don't see how that makes them any more similar than, say, Michelle Bachman and Barbara Lee. The similarities I see are the effects of their policies on the country and the office of the President itself. Obama has proven himself to be bad for the country... Trump is proving he WILL BE equally bad for it (as Obama did during his candidacy).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 22:37:11 GMT -5
I wouldn't take a position writing analogies if I were you Richard.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2016 22:39:26 GMT -5
only because i couldn't find anything other than physical attributes. if you are saying that Trump and Obama are similar because they both pander, then sure. that is about as much of a similarity as the fact that they are both tall. in other words, i don't see how that makes them any more similar than, say, Michelle Bachman and Barbara Lee. The similarities I see are the effects of their policies on the country and the office of the President itself. Obama has proven himself to be bad for the country... Trump is proving he WILL BE equally bad for it (as Obama did during his candidacy). again, if "bad for the country" is the standard, then good luck finding a president that is immune from this criticism. but fine, i got it- they are similar in that what you think The Donald MIGHT DO would be as harmful as what you believe Obama HAS DONE. got it. i don't think he will ever get that far, and even if he did, i think he would be utterly ineffective at doing anything.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 10, 2016 23:06:04 GMT -5
... 02: If you have a business, you didn't build that. ... FWIW "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/jul/18/context-obamas-you-didnt-build-comment/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 3:40:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't take a position writing analogies if I were you Richard. I wouldn't want to. While my analogies are awesome... there's really not much money in it as a profession. And writing isn't a passion of mine.
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The similarities I see are the effects of their policies on the country and the office of the President itself. Obama has proven himself to be bad for the country... Trump is proving he WILL BE equally bad for it (as Obama did during his candidacy). again, if "bad for the country" is the standard, then good luck finding a president that is immune from this criticism. but fine, i got it- they are similar in that what you think The Donald MIGHT DO would be as harmful as what you believe Obama HAS DONE.got it. i don't think he will ever get that far, and even if he did, i think he would be utterly ineffective at doing anything. I never commented about anything I "believe Obama has done"... only things he's actually done.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 11, 2016 9:51:43 GMT -5
Yes. But is an exciting president something we really want?
Do we want to feel terror in our hearts every time he opens his mouth in public?
How would that be different from the past 7 (and counting) years? Whatever you think about Obama, that man can orate the crap out of anything. He is hands down one of the best speakers the Dems have, and he measures his words (for the most part) to avoid giving offense. That's how he first got noticed to begin with - he gave a speech at the democratic convention that was inspiring and thrilling.
You may not like what he says, and you may think his smooth way of talking without being offensive is just the typical slick political spin, but you can be pretty much certain he will not get up in a public forum and say something grossly impolitic or offensive to particular races or cultures.
If Trump got into the POTUS office, we can look forward not to the Bushism verbal flubs and fumbles (that will in retrospect seem quaint and cute) - no, we can all sit on the edge of our seats waiting for the next F bomb, slanderous racial or sexual stereotype or religious insult that might pop out of that carnival barker's lips.
It would be like Andrew Dice Clay as POTUS. No thanks.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 11, 2016 12:07:06 GMT -5
again, if "bad for the country" is the standard, then good luck finding a president that is immune from this criticism. but fine, i got it- they are similar in that what you think The Donald MIGHT DO would be as harmful as what you believe Obama HAS DONE.got it. i don't think he will ever get that far, and even if he did, i think he would be utterly ineffective at doing anything. I never commented about anything I "believe Obama has done"... only things he's actually done. unless the set of things you believe he has done is different than what he has actually done, you are arguing about nothing, Richard.
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Post by dondub on Feb 11, 2016 12:30:11 GMT -5
But his analogies are perfect!
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Post by Opti on Feb 11, 2016 12:38:42 GMT -5
I agree that O2 is taken out of context. It is not saying if you created a business, you did not create it at all. It is merely reminding people that infrastructure and other things lead to being able to create the business in the first place.
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