Is 128 degrees and no airconditioning inhumane?

[Angel!]

Jul 26, 2011 15:46:45 GMT -5 cme1201 said:

Jul 26, 2011 15:45:47 GMT -5 jkapp said:

I may just be behind the times, but I believe committing a crime is still a choice?

Not according to some. Seems they had the choice foisted upon them.

Innocent until proven guilty. We don't know that these people even committed crimes, we just know they have been arrested.

ETA - swamp beat me to it.

[henryclay]

Okay, toughtimes. I won't try to tell you how easy the troops in Iraq have it, what with all their creature comforts and air coinditioned bullets, , , ,

If you won't tell me how Sherrif Arpaio, without any consideration for their welfare, puts all his old and fragile prisoners out on a rockpile with a 16 pound hammer to make little ones out of big ones in the heat.

[Angel!]

Jul 26, 2011 16:42:00 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Okay, toughtimes. I won't try to tell you how easy the troops in Iraq have it, what with all their creature comforts and air coinditioned bullets, , , ,

Most of the established military bases in Iraq & Afghanistan have air conditioning in their tents. Seems we could at least provide the same to prisoners here.

According to this article the US spends $20 billion a year to air condition those tents www.npr.org/2011/06/25/137414737/among-the-costs-of-war-20b-in-air-conditioning

[973beachbum]

"Jails have become "the new asylums," with as many as 6 of 10 inmates suffering from mental illness.

"I think we run the biggest mental institution in the state and that shouldn't be the case," said Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio. "Mental illness, they're correct, they should not be in our jails. There should be alternative ways to deal with mental illness."

According to Deputy Chief Gerard Sheridan, there were 160 inmates in psychiatry housing in Maricopa County's jail system on Tuesday, and approximately 1,500 inmates, or 16 percent, of the total jail population of 9,300, were taking psychotropic drugs for mental-health reasons."

It is a jail as was mentioned and not a prison as people keep referring to it as. And a huge chunk of the population is mentally ill as even Sheriff Joe concedes. So the life style is not as much as a choice as most would assume.

Personally if I kept my dog in such conditions I would be convicted of cruelty I don't see why the standard should be any different for humans.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

Jul 26, 2011 16:16:23 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Jul 26, 2011 15:44:15 GMT -5 BeenThere...DoneThat... said:

You're going to get fat, eating all that popcorn. ;D

...it's a free country... isn't it?

[swamp]

Jul 26, 2011 17:33:32 GMT -5 BeenThere...DoneThat... said:

Jul 26, 2011 16:16:23 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

You're going to get fat, eating all that popcorn. ;D

...it's a free country... isn't it?

Don't come running to me to pay your medical bills via Medicare or Medicaid..............

[deziloooooo]

Jul 26, 2011 14:30:41 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Yes, I think this Sheriff actually treats criminals like criminals, not like victims. I would imagine his prison is definitely not one people would want to be put back into...

And, seriously, when did watching TV become a right? You know the meaning behind the word "rights" kind of gets dumbed down if it is used for every little thing...

SCOTUS says it's a right there fore it is...To be in the heat , really 128 degrees, that is to me inhumane treatment for prisoners, unless it is just something that very occasionally happens and relief is quick and there are showers , fans , medical treatment for those over come..plenty of COLD water....

I am surprised there have not been law suits, the ACLU getting involved. If it's to save money I would think the defending against these suits would eat up a lot of savings, IMHO...

There have been suits about misuse of Prisons and jails for a long time and many times the courts have ruled not in favor of those doing the incarceration but the inmates..and the Disney channel and the weather channel is a "in your face " to the court..so the court should come right back and list what channels the prisoners are allowed to get...as long as they haven't lost those privileges by being unruly or violating Prison rules.

I thought the courts are the ones who set the punishment not the jailer..it seems this one is the one who decides how the inmates should be punished and the extent of...just because he can..he is not a real professional in the handling of inmates, just a legal bully and if 83 % of the voters agree with him, the same ones would probably like public flogging, putting them in stocks, attaching ball and chains to the inmates and daily beatings..public if at all possible.

Got to love the guy? Not me, more like pity and feel sorry for the man..think he believes his own press..

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

Jul 26, 2011 17:36:52 GMT -5 swamp said:

Jul 26, 2011 17:33:32 GMT -5 BeenThere...DoneThat... said:

...it's a free country... isn't it?

Don't come running to me to pay your medical bills via Medicare or Medicaid..............

...hey, don't blame me... I tried to keep healthcare as privatized as possible... but more public rolls got voted in anyway...

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

...btw, I eat ice cream, too... and

;D

[b2r]

Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Chain Gang Tent City




From the Documentary: Sheriff Arpaio's chain gangs are completely voluntary, although completing a 30 day stint on the work crew is the only way for inmates to recover lost privileges.

[swamp]

Jul 26, 2011 18:07:08 GMT -5 @toughtimes said:

How voluntary is anything when you are under another's control?

the inmates are not required to work while in custody, hence, it's voluntary.

[b2r]

Arpaio says in his press release. "It's been fortunate since I opened the tents in August 1993 to never have had a serious heat related health issue. We're not going to have with one this year either, if I can help it."

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.phoenixnewtimes.com%2Fvalleyfever%2F2011%2F07%2Fexcessive_heat_prompts_joe_arp.php&ei=1G0vTpHHFJKXtweZtqCkCQ&usg=AFQjCNEOVBwzPVJiqD0KFlgDV1K_eoSWUw

[b2r]

One of the comments. www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.phoenixnewtimes.com%2Fvalleyfever%2F2011%2F07%2Fexcessive_heat_prompts_joe_arp.php&ei=1G0vTpHHFJKXtweZtqCkCQ&usg=AFQjCNEOVBwzPVJiqD0KFlgDV1K_eoSWUw

Inmates at Tent City are sentenced inmates who were sentenced to time in the county jail. They are not pre-trial detainees like the rest of the inmates in jail. They actually are guilty, though usually of minor offenses.

[cereb]

This was kind of interesting...



Home > Sheriff Joe Arpaio vs. The Truth
Sheriff Joe Arpaio vs. The Truth

Sheriff Joe Arpaio takes credit for many things where the credit is not his to take. It is time for some truth about the sheriff.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: The Sheriff claims he has a .50 caliber machine gun for use in shooting down terrorist aircraft or explosive laden tractor-trailer rigs. He also claims the machine gun is the only one owned by a U.S. law enforcement agency.

Truth: The part about the gun being the only one in U.S. law enforcement is probably true and for good reason. Other police chiefs and sheriffs realize that a .50 caliber machine gun is so powerful and so dangerous that it has no place in civilian police work. As to shooting down airplanes and destroying trucks loaded with explosives, how would Sheriff Sheriff Joe Arpaio know which ones to shoot at? It is highly unlikely that the terrorists would notify authorities when and where they are going to strike so the gun could be put in place. Also, Sheriff Sheriff Joe Arpaio stated that, unlike the U.S. Air Force, he needs no presidential authority before shooting down airplanes.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: The Norberg wrongful death lawsuit was settled out of court for $8.25 million. Sheriff Sheriff Joe Arpaio has repeatedly claimed that this cost the taxpayers nothing since it was paid by an insurance company.

Truth: At the time of the settlement the county had a $1 million "deductible" on its coverage. The taxpayers had to pay the first $1,000,000 on this case and now the deductible has been raised to $5 million.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: He arrested Elvis Presley.

Truth: Actually, Sheriff Joe Arpaio sometimes claims to have arrested Elvis and other times he claims to have stopped him for a traffic violation. No police records nor Presley family records have ever surfaced to show any contact between Elvis and Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: He invented the idea of housing prisoners in tents.

Truth: The Arizona Department of Corrections has used tents for decades. Facilities in other states also used tents before Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: He claims credit for feeding green bologna (surplus food) to inmates.

Truth: Jails and prisons here in Arizona and all over the county feed surplus food to inmates and have done so for many years.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: He was a Korean War veteran.

Truth: This one is tricky. He was in the Army during the Korean War but he never set foot there. His overseas assignment was in France.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: He is the "Toughest Sheriff in America".

Truth: This is a title he gave himself. During his years as sheriff he has not made even one arrest and, on those rare occasions where he was present when an arrest was necessary , others had to do it.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: He is the "Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the County" and has authority over all police departments and the DPS.

Truth: Another meaningless title. He has no authority over other police agencies.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: He broke the famous "French Connection."

Truth: The people really involved in this case never heard of Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: He was involved in "numerous gun battels" and "weekly shootout" as a DEA agent.

Truth: Virtually no one in the police business believes these claims. There would be something desperately wrong with any police officer that gets into weekly shootout.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Wants people to think he created the posse program.

Truth: The modern day posse program dates back to the 1930s. These volunteer groups provide a wide range of important services to the county including search and rescue, enforcement support, and community crime prevention. Many of the posse members resent being used by Sheriff Joe Arpaio for publicity stunts like the "Van Buren Street Prostitution Patrol."

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Recidivism in the jails was reduced during his time as sheriff.

Truth: Sheriff Joe Arpaio spent $10,000 in taxpayer money to have Arizona State University study recidivism in the jail system. The result showed that there was no change in the rate at which inmates returned to jail. Sheriff Joe Arpaio immediately declared that ASU was wrong.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Prior to his election he declared that the sheriff should be an appointed position like that of chiefs of police and that he would only serve one term.

Truth: Within weeks of his election he "changed his mind" and announced he would run for another term.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: On the two occasions where he spent a night in the tent city jail he claimed that there were no special security arrangements to protect him.

Truth: The Sheriff's Office Tactical Operations Unit (SWAT TEAM) was on-duty, on overtime, all night, guarding him from a nearby building.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: He built the tent city jail because of overcrowding in the regular jails.

Truth: To insure there were enough inmates for the much publicized tent city jail he closed an entire floor of the First Avenue Jail.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: He has saved the taxpayers millions of dollars.

Truth: He has cost the taxpayers millions of dollars in legal fees, lawsuits, attorneys fees, settlements, judgments, photographs of himself, videos of himself, and maintaining his personal public relations staff.


www.arpaio.com/arpaio-truth/index.php

[EVT1]

Like I said- a giant douche. ;D

[handyman2]

I don't know much about Sheriff Joe so my question is why does he get re-elected by such a high margin? The locals must like what he is doing.

[henryclay]

I'll get your back on that one, handyman. A win by 83% of votes cast is usually a fair representation that somebody approves of his policies.

And I believe the title is in error. Doesn't the article referenced in the OP say 138 degrees instead of 128? I guess the bleeding hearts missed that. But I wonder about them both anyway, because the highest temperature ever recorded, (officially), in the US was 134 degrees in Death Valley Califorina July 10, 1913

toughtimes said:

It reminds me of those Southern Prisons where prisoners were quietly killed and buried in an old field without questions asked.

You must be referring to the places Hollywood depicts in the movies. But I remember one in Chicago too. And it wasn't a movie version. It was called Camp Douglas. Sheriff Arpaio is a Florence Nightingale by comparison.

[cereb]

"You must be referring to the places Hollywood depicts in the movies. "


No. There is this place called "Angola". Start there.

[henryclay]

Why don't you give me your version first? I need a point f reference.

[cereb]

Jul 27, 2011 0:19:25 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Why don't you give me your version first? I need a point f reference.

Angola is in Louisiana. You can look up the history, it's been in service since the early 1900's. During the wars, then the great depression, mental institutions and prisons were the first places to feel the economic crunch. People died because of it. There were also diseases like TB and the flu that went through those places like a plague. The dead were quietly buried in cemeteries adjacent to the properties. Places like this do exist...all over the country, particularly on the east coast and in the south.

[henryclay]

Well, I guess they learned how to run prisons from seeing how it was done up north in places like Camp Douglas. Maybe even at Sing Sing where for a span of years half the prison deaths were from tuberculosis.

But maybe we shouldn't discuss things like that, huh? We can only discuss all those un-named places all over the country, , , , particularly in the south , , , , . Is that the way it is?

Yeauh. Sheriff Arpaio is a real meany, and althiough he does pay prisoners for working, it's less way than minimum wage, and he even makes them pay for their meals out of it.

Shame on him.

[SweetVirginia]

Jul 26, 2011 14:27:43 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 26, 2011 13:16:25 GMT -5 henryclay said:

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The question is: Why don't we have more like him?
...

Not sure about all the country but in the areas that I have lived the sheriff has been elected. So the answer to the question is: The people have not elected more like him.

No that is not the answer. We do not have more like him, because we do not have more people like him running.

[magichat]

The troop tents are air conditioned.

www.mnn.com/earth-matters/energy/stories/air-conditioning-for-troops-in-iraq-and-afghanistan-costs-202-billion-a

[billisonboard]

Jul 27, 2011 1:53:32 GMT -5 SweetVirginia said:

Jul 26, 2011 14:27:43 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Not sure about all the country but in the areas that I have lived the sheriff has been elected. So the answer to the question is: The people have not elected more like him.

No that is not the answer. We do not have more like him, because we do not have more people like him running.

First off, are you sure? I will admit I haven't monitored county elections throughout the country so have no idea if there have or haven't been candidates calling for this type of treatment. I do know that the last place I lived we did have a sheriff who did do simpler but less extreme things. Didn't get the same press coverage. Secondly, why don't we have more like him running? It could be that they realize that few places would elect them. Or it might be that once most people who have gained the experience one should have to be a county sheriff, that they realize that what this guy is doing is not appropriate.

[swamp]

Jul 26, 2011 21:08:17 GMT -5 b2r said:

One of the comments. www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.phoenixnewtimes.com%2Fvalleyfever%2F2011%2F07%2Fexcessive_heat_prompts_joe_arp.php&ei=1G0vTpHHFJKXtweZtqCkCQ&usg=AFQjCNEOVBwzPVJiqD0KFlgDV1K_eoSWUw

Inmates at Tent City are sentenced inmates who were sentenced to time in the county jail. They are not pre-trial detainees like the rest of the inmates in jail. They actually are guilty, though usually of minor offenses.

If you are sentenced to county jail, you would have been convicted of a misdemeanor or a low level felony.

[pig]

The troop tents are air conditioned.

Not all of them are. Have you ever been inside an M1? They are not air conditioned and being in one with a fire suit on in 90 degree weather was most unbearable and miserable. People jerry rig air hoses to place in their suit because if they didn't it would be hell.

[b2r]

Jul 27, 2011 8:36:08 GMT -5 swamp said:

Jul 26, 2011 21:08:17 GMT -5 b2r said:

One of the comments. www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.phoenixnewtimes.com%2Fvalleyfever%2F2011%2F07%2Fexcessive_heat_prompts_joe_arp.php&ei=1G0vTpHHFJKXtweZtqCkCQ&usg=AFQjCNEOVBwzPVJiqD0KFlgDV1K_eoSWUw

Inmates at Tent City are sentenced inmates who were sentenced to time in the county jail. They are not pre-trial detainees like the rest of the inmates in jail. They actually are guilty, though usually of minor offenses.

If you are sentenced to county jail, you would have been convicted of a misdemeanor or a low level felony.

There was question whether those awaiting trial were subject to these living conditions.

[magichat]

Jul 27, 2011 8:41:13 GMT -5 @pig said:

The troop tents are air conditioned.

Not all of them are. Have you ever been inside an M1? They are not air conditioned and being in one with a fire suit on in 90 degree weather was most unbearable and miserable. People jerry rig air hoses to place in their suit because if they didn't it would be hell.

What does a troop tent have to do with a tank?

[pig]

What does a troop tent have to do with a tank?

I assume you're an intelligent person. Think about if for a few minutes and see if you can get it.

[magichat]

Jul 27, 2011 8:58:39 GMT -5 @pig said:

What does a troop tent have to do with a tank?

I assume you're an intelligent person. Think about if for a few minutes and see if you can get it.

First off, you are posting on an anonymous internet board, why would you ever bring up intelligence?

Second, let's compare here, we are talking about prisoners living in tents without air conditioning in the Arizona desert heat and the OP specifically compared that to the troops living in tents in the desert. The little known fact that the OP either left out or did not know is that those tents for the troops are air conditioned. So my only point is that the OP has no basis in fact or comparison.

Now shall we talk about air conditioning combat vehicles? Sure, let's use a valid comparison of NASCAR....