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Post by ed1066 on Jul 25, 2011 16:34:21 GMT -5
Old news PI....that's been going around the Atlanta news for a very long time already. Heads are rolling and the shit is hitting the fan big time over it. And to imagine, it happened in a deeply Red state. Who'd have thunk it? It's no surprise at all given that the teachers unions and school boards are invariably run by liberals...
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Post by steff on Jul 25, 2011 16:46:53 GMT -5
Old news PI....that's been going around the Atlanta news for a very long time already. Heads are rolling and the shit is hitting the fan big time over it. And to imagine, it happened in a deeply Red state. Who'd have thunk it? It's no surprise at all given that the teachers unions and school boards are invariably run by liberals... LOL.... you clearly don't live in Georgia and have no idea what the make up of our school board is like. I live in a hard core, deeply religious, right wing, blood RED state & county. If you would like to actually gather up some facts, it might help your argument that everything under the sun is run by liberals. A liberal doesn't have a chance in hell where I live to hold a position on the school board, city council, or any citizen review board. You should see the make up of the citizen review board for the county commissioner, it's a blazing blood red joke that is rubber stamping everything he wants even if it financially breaks the county. All while whining about the lawsuits that have been lost because of what the commissioner keeps doing. He's costing our little county $100,000 a pop on all the lawsuits.
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 25, 2011 16:51:47 GMT -5
How about the teachers' union? I noticed you didn't comment on that one...
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 25, 2011 16:58:51 GMT -5
Probably because Georgia doesn't have a teacher's union.
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Post by steff on Jul 25, 2011 17:00:01 GMT -5
Ed, face it, not everything under the sun is run by, caused by, or created by a liberal. Just accept that sometimes, the shit hitting the fan in some areas isn't a liberal problem. Our school board hasn't seen a liberal on it since my kiddo started school (he's a senior now) and most likely even before I started paying attention to it. And as I've pointed out several times before, our last govn was a Republican, and a very good one I'll add. Even I, a dreaded liberal, voted for him. Our current govn is a Tea Party person and is trying to destroy everything the last REPUB govn did to improve our school system. Explain that one.
Sorry ed, but you won't find a liberal in a position of power anywhere around where I live. not a single one.
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 25, 2011 17:51:57 GMT -5
Probably because Georgia doesn't have a teacher's union. LOL! Did you even look? The Georgia Association of Educators (aka the Georgia teacher's union) begs to differ... And based on the "Advocacy" section, where they profess support for Obamacare, higher taxes and fat union pensions, while decrying the idea of vouchers and private school options, I would say they are well in line with the liberal agenda of most teacher's unions...do you disagree? gae2.org/content.asp?CatId=412&ContentType=Advocacy
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Post by steff on Jul 25, 2011 17:57:05 GMT -5
You just can't accept that not every problem under the sun is caused by a liberal ed. It's insane to even attempt any type of discussion with someone so closed minded.
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 25, 2011 18:23:48 GMT -5
So you didn't look at the link to the GA teacher's union site? You know, the union mmhmm said doesn't exist? Putting your head in the sand won't change anything...
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Post by steff on Jul 25, 2011 18:55:08 GMT -5
Ed, beyond the union, there's nothing in Georgia that could even remotely be considered liberal. Our school boards are Red, our city councils are Red, our county govt is Red, our state govt is Red/with a side order of Tea Party.
Do you really think that the teachers can override everyone else above them in power? Are you really so narrow minded that you really think that a teacher union can control everyone and everything that has to do with a school? Because I can tell you from experience living in the state, with a child in the system, that it's not happening. I can tell you from having to go up against the system that was teaching religious beliefs in school, that the teachers are more Red than liberal. I can tell you from my experience of going up against the Abstinence only programs taught in the schools, that the teachers & administrators are more Red than Liberal.
Trust me, if there were nothing but Liberal teachers here, I wouldn't have had to go up to the school so often and go "Really, you are seriously thinking this is okay? It's religion and it's not okay".
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 25, 2011 18:56:47 GMT -5
What is "red"? Do you mean communist? That is not the opposite of liberal, IMO
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Post by steff on Jul 25, 2011 19:04:22 GMT -5
Geeeez ed..... that's just trying to play stupid message board games. You know I mean Red as in Republican. But by going this route, you've shown that you have no interest in understanding how things are being run here in Georgia and realizing that I don't live in Liberal land where everything is exactly how you say it is.
So I'm done playing this game with you.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 25, 2011 20:35:03 GMT -5
Umm, ed ... unions are against the law in Georgia. This organization cannot collectively bargain; nor, can they strike. They primarily set agendas and help with fundraising.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jul 25, 2011 21:07:23 GMT -5
I believe you mean that teachers are not unionized in Georgia.
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Post by cereb on Jul 25, 2011 21:07:30 GMT -5
"I don't care about your "conservative solution". Public education in this country blows, and one look at the content of this board should be enough to convince anyone of that fact... "
Yes, let us all give a resounding retroactive "I'm sorry" for your public school education. ;D
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Post by steff on Jul 25, 2011 21:34:19 GMT -5
I believe you mean that teachers are not unionized in Georgia. Can you please try to explain that to ed? He's the only one who keeps saying they are and that they call all the shots.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jul 25, 2011 21:49:20 GMT -5
The National Education Association and the Georgia Educators Association are "professional organizations" so technically aren't unions, but they are unions for all practical purposes. They substitute lobbying for collective bargaining. Many years ago teachers wouldn't accept unionization because they thought unionization unprofessional so The National and State Education Associations formed and teachers felt that that made them on a level with the American and State Medical and Bar Associations. What has happened is that teaching has become a blue collar occupation and therefore unionized. Generally, teachers aren't considered "professional" anymore, and, unfortunately, their behavior seems to reinforce that ~ at least the behavior of some.
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Post by steff on Jul 25, 2011 21:56:02 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, how many posters here on this thread live in Georgia, have children in the Georgia school system, have attended open school board meetings in Georgia, and have dealt with the education system in Georgia starting at the teacher and working all the way up to the school board? Because I do and have. Anyone else? Bueller?
the idea that Georgia is somehow a liberal education haven is hysterically off base and not even in the same universe as reality.
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Post by cme1201 on Jul 26, 2011 10:51:30 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, how many posters here on this thread live in Georgia, have children in the Georgia school system, have attended open school board meetings in Georgia, and have dealt with the education system in Georgia starting at the teacher and working all the way up to the school board? Because I do and have. Anyone else? Bueller? the idea that Georgia is somehow a liberal education haven is hysterically off base and not even in the same universe as reality. I lived in GA for over 7 years, I still have family that lives in GA, I also have several great friends who still live in GA. The make up of the Georgia State and National Congresses are almost Identical Republicans hold 59% of the State House and the US House at 61% State Senate and US Senate hold at just shy of 63% each. What matters when discussing school boards is to look at the local level, which could be extremely conservative (Brantley County) to extremely liberal (Cook County). If people would remove conservative and liberal from there word use and look at the local level as Dem vs. Rep control the I said it it's my way only, that some of you come off as, would make having conversations that actually hold water more appealing than MY WAY MY WAY MY WAY MY WAY.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 26, 2011 12:26:27 GMT -5
It's an association just Like Florida. Without the right to strike, which neither state has, there is no teeth so teachers are abused and lowly paid in both states.
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Post by cme1201 on Jul 26, 2011 12:40:35 GMT -5
It's an association just Like Florida. Without the right to strike, which neither state has, there is no teeth so teachers are abused and lowly paid in both states. And why aren't teachers allowed to strike in Florida?
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 26, 2011 13:11:01 GMT -5
... If people would remove conservative and liberal from there word use and look at the local level as Dem vs. Rep control ... I know that when I was growing up in Idaho, that a Democrat in my home state was generally much more conservative than the average Republican in the neighboring state of Washington.
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Post by Angel! on Jul 26, 2011 13:27:13 GMT -5
I can't say it's true EVERYwhere, and apparently jeep is fortunate to live where there is an exception, but students at every school my children attended, and where my grandchildren attended all, that is, each and every one in Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Illinois, California, Colorado and Hawaii, put the kids in the school of THEIR choice. Not my choice, and not the choice of my children. Not anybody's choice but that of the school system itself. I'm a little late to the game, but I call complete BS on Colorado being on that list. I am not familiar with the other states, but since you wrongly put colorado on the list, then I would question your knowledge of the education system all of the states you listed. Colorado has over 150 charter schools & almost 10% of kids in public schools attend charter schools. Those are kids/parents that made a choice as to what school they wanted to attend. Not only that, but all the districts that I am familiar with allows you to apply to attend any school you want, whether you live in that district or not. ETA - I looked up all the other states you listed: Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Illinois, California, and Hawaii, & with the exception of Virginia each state had an extensive number of charter schools (VA only had 3). Those are all schools that give parents/students a choice as to where they want to attend. So, it is complete BS that most kids have no options.
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