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Post by ugonow on Jul 13, 2011 10:37:55 GMT -5
“We think public schools should go away,’’ says Teri Adams, the head of the Independence Hall Tea Party and a leading advocate — both in New Jersey and Pennsylvania — of passage of school voucher bills. The tea party operates in those two states and Delaware. They should “go away,” she says, because “they are hurting our children.’’ [...] Adams says the current voucher program “discriminates” against wealthier students by providing public subsidies only to inner-city children in allegedly failing schools. Her group’s e-mails pushing vouchers caught the attention of James Kovalcin of South Brunswick, a retired public school teacher who asked Adams for clarification. She responded via email: “Our ultimate goal is to shut down public schools and have private schools only, eventually returning responsibility for payment to parents and private charities. It’s going to happen piecemeal and not overnight. It took us years to get into this mess and it’s going to take years to get out of it.” thinkprogress.org/education/2011/07/11/265663/voucher-tea-party-go-away/
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jul 13, 2011 10:40:45 GMT -5
...privatize education!
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 13, 2011 10:41:22 GMT -5
that is a sad and frightening thought.
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Post by swamp on Jul 13, 2011 10:45:35 GMT -5
::“Our ultimate goal is to shut down public schools and have private schools only, eventually returning responsibility for payment to parents and private charities::
Nice! We can pretty much guarantee that poor kids are going to be even worse off than they are now!!!
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Post by ugonow on Jul 13, 2011 10:48:45 GMT -5
Now to be fair... We have not seen the actual email...but I know this is not a new thought.Abolishing public schools and putting the cost on parents has been brought up quite often..... I see the reasoning behind it, but I don't like the thought of what it might lead to....
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Post by ugonow on Jul 13, 2011 10:54:04 GMT -5
This guy was pushing for it back in 2000,before anyone even heard of the teaparty-------- motherjones.com/politics/2010/10/david-harmer-abolish-public-schools------"[L]iteracy levels among all classes, at least outside the South, matched or exceeded those prevailing now, and... public discourse and even tabloid content was pitched at what today would be considered a college-level audience. Schooling then was typically funded by parents or other family members responsible for the student, who paid modest tuition. If they couldn't afford it, trade guilds, benevolent associations, fraternal organizations, churches and charities helped. In this quintessentially American approach, free people acting in a free market found a variety of ways to pay for a variety of schools serving a variety of students, all without central command or control."
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 13, 2011 10:56:48 GMT -5
::“Our ultimate goal is to shut down public schools and have private schools only, eventually returning responsibility for payment to parents and private charities:: Nice! We can pretty much guarantee that poor kids are going to be even worse off than they are now!!!
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 13, 2011 10:57:35 GMT -5
that is a sad and frightening thought. Right, as excellent and well-regarded as our public schools are, I'm sure no one could do it better... www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/07/us-falls-in-world-education-rankings_n_793185.htmlThe three-yearly OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) report, which compares the knowledge and skills of 15-year-olds in 70 countries around the world, ranked the United States 14th out of 34 OECD countries for reading skills, 17th for science and a below-average 25th for mathematics.
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Post by ugonow on Jul 13, 2011 10:59:54 GMT -5
At the very least, they are there for all kids to take advantage of them.Some kids apply themselves and excel, others don't choose to. What they are proposing could lead to only those that can afford it gets access to school.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Jul 13, 2011 11:04:58 GMT -5
Because the Conservative solution works so well: 1. Complain how it doesn't work 2. Have it defunded 3. Go to step one My plan is to put Education as part of the Defense Dept. and have Congress declare a War on Ignorance. Once it's under defense, billions upon billions will be poured in, no questions asked. Okay, so we might have some $50 pencils, but I think the pros will outweigh the cons.
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 13, 2011 11:06:49 GMT -5
Because the Conservative solution works so well I don't care about your "conservative solution". Public education in this country blows, and one look at the content of this board should be enough to convince anyone of that fact...
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Post by ugonow on Jul 13, 2011 11:11:20 GMT -5
That whole education thing is way overated anyways.It is just another lib program designed to control our kids. We need to get rid of liberaries also.They are another socialist program designed to put private business like Borders,Amazon,and other book stores out of business.....
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 13, 2011 11:15:13 GMT -5
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jul 13, 2011 11:16:47 GMT -5
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 13, 2011 11:17:01 GMT -5
Because the Conservative solution works so well I don't care about your "conservative solution". Public education in this country blows, and one look at the content of this board should be enough to convince anyone of that fact... so because it currently sucks, just get rid of it? I guess we should do away with the stock market then, because that's been sucking lately too. and the big banks, to hell with them. let's fix the basics and get it right.
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 13, 2011 11:20:57 GMT -5
OK, good luck with that...
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 13, 2011 11:22:42 GMT -5
again, it makes more sense to just get rid of it? I'm with mkitty on the conservative route to fixing things. seriously. y'all just bitch about it and slash funding. rinse and repeat ad nauseum.
if you think it sucks so bad, give us a solution.
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 13, 2011 11:25:30 GMT -5
again, it makes more sense to just get rid of it? I'm with mkitty on the conservative route to fixing things. seriously. y'all just bitch about it and slash funding. rinse and repeat ad nauseum. if you think it sucks so bad, give us a solution. My kids are homeschooled, that's our solution. If people want to raise dumb kids in a failed system, that only makes my kids' chances better...
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Jul 13, 2011 11:25:57 GMT -5
Note how the period is outside the quotation marks. I guess private education means you pay more to get the same or lesser results.
And it's not my "conservative solution," or is this more magical conservative thinking where the more you cut taxes, the more revenue public schools get?
Strange, I don't see posters' education anywhere, but I only have completed 537 posts (this one will be 538), so maybe it's "unlocked" after 1,000 posts. Or maybe Madame Cleo is a bit richer.
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Post by swamp on Jul 13, 2011 11:27:15 GMT -5
again, it makes more sense to just get rid of it? I'm with mkitty on the conservative route to fixing things. seriously. y'all just bitch about it and slash funding. rinse and repeat ad nauseum. if you think it sucks so bad, give us a solution. My kids are homeschooled, that's our solution. If people want to raise dumb kids in a failed system, that only makes my kids' chances better... And you think everyone is qualified to home school their kids?
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 13, 2011 11:32:56 GMT -5
My kids are homeschooled, that's our solution. If people want to raise dumb kids in a failed system, that only makes my kids' chances better... And you think everyone is qualified to home school their kids? Definitely not...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 11:33:08 GMT -5
Nice! We can pretty much guarantee that poor kids are going to be even worse off than they are now!!!
Swamp, while I'm not disagreeing with you, I have to ask. Right now they are graduating & not being able to read. Just how do you expect that it can get worse?
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Post by ugonow on Jul 13, 2011 11:35:09 GMT -5
Many do quite well in the system...Is it possible a lot of the problem could be in homelife and parenting? Should there be a bit of personal responsibility?
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 13, 2011 11:36:45 GMT -5
Or maybe Madame Cleo is a bit richer. You've got to update your references. Most of the posters on the board were probably not getting high and watching cable at three in the morning in the late 1990s like you clearly were. They don't know who Miss Cleo was (it's Miss Cleo, by the way, I know you likely weren't coherent when you saw the ads). Just sayin... ;D
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Post by swamp on Jul 13, 2011 11:41:31 GMT -5
Nice! We can pretty much guarantee that poor kids are going to be even worse off than they are now!!! Swamp, while I'm not disagreeing with you, I have to ask. Right now they are graduating & not being able to read. Just how do you expect that it can get worse? Those poor kids who actually can read won't be able to because they didn't get to go to school. Right now, public schools are supposed to provide a baseline education, and parents should suppplement it. I'm not saying either do it well, but the public school is at least there for when the parents aren't doing their job.
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Post by swamp on Jul 13, 2011 11:42:34 GMT -5
And you think everyone is qualified to home school their kids? Definitely not... Then how do we provide an education for kids whose parents cannot homeschool them? Isn't it in our country's best interest to have a basic education provided to our citizens?
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Post by busymom on Jul 13, 2011 11:43:13 GMT -5
Even a lot of middle class parents don't teach their kids personal responsibility.
If we eliminated public schools, I believe the crime rate would increase by leaps & bounds! (What else are a bunch of kids going to do when no adult is at home, and if their parent(s) can't afford private school?)
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 13, 2011 11:45:02 GMT -5
Then how do we provide an education for kids whose parents cannot homeschool them? Isn't it in our country's best interest to have a basic education provided to our citizens? Yes, but that isn't happening right now. If a system is failing, you don't make it worse by throwing good money after bad. You scrap it and start fresh with something that has a chance to work...isn't this obvious?
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 13, 2011 11:46:17 GMT -5
Then how do we provide an education for kids whose parents cannot homeschool them? Isn't it in our country's best interest to have a basic education provided to our citizens? Yes, but that isn't happening right now. If a system is failing, you don't make it worse by throwing good money after bad. You scrap it and start fresh with something that has a chance to work...isn't this obvious? so where's the plan for something fresh? you keep forgetting to include that....
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Post by ugonow on Jul 13, 2011 11:47:23 GMT -5
No, especially nowdays.It has become the norm to blame the teacher for Johnny screwing up in school. That never worked when I was a kid.
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