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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 18, 2011 0:38:43 GMT -5
Zip, Yes.. it is by Lottery.. and also the other two ISD pay for their students. So unlike the New York System of competitive test.. Every child has an equal chance. Thank-you for asking.. These spending are backed with oil price and matching funds from the universities. Also Senior students take classes for double credit.. Just a thought, BTI They are Independent school Districts and the bank account belongs to the schools and teachers. You statement makes no since.Please think about it and return your thoughts with a grip on facts...I'm sorry, did I say ANYTHING about your ISD? ANYTHING? No, if you go back and read my post then take a look at which party is looking to kill public education, what I said does make sense even if you do a A new science and technology school and A new medical high school WHICH I'm sure are open to every kid in the ISD, no child left behind...right?
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Post by zipity on Jul 18, 2011 1:16:51 GMT -5
That's great to hear, personally I don't like the concept of elite public school whether they are in Texas or NY. So what about states that don't have oil companies subsidizing the costs of their schools? If republicans across the country support public schools the way you say Texans do, why is the tea party trying to shut them down?
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 18, 2011 2:27:26 GMT -5
That's great to hear, personally I don't like the concept of elite public school whether they are in Texas or NY. So what about states that don't have oil companies subsidizing the costs of their schools? If republicans across the country support public schools the way you say Texans do, why is the tea party trying to shut them down? Zip, I am not the one to ask.. I work about 78 hours a week on the Hedge Funds and Computer models. When I was at UT Austin I had an European and a South Korean Grad Student Neighbours that thought we needed to start all over with one system of education at the national level. Funny thing is that these are the top to schools systems in the world on education achievement ( 30 years after ). I have no idea what the Tea Party is doing.. I never heard them doing anything in West Texas.. All I heard was a lot of TV free coverage from Washington. Anyway you look at it we need to do something..I am not sure what will work but at least They are working hard here to make thinks better for the children of a lot of retired Air Force Big Brass.. Try getting a 7AM TEE time.Your thoughts Please... Just a thought, BTI Just had to put up a pic of STUY of Battery Park, New York.. Right by Ground Zero Attachments:
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 18, 2011 6:59:16 GMT -5
That's great to hear, personally I don't like the concept of elite public school whether they are in Texas or NY. So what about states that don't have oil companies subsidizing the costs of their schools? If republicans across the country support public schools the way you say Texans do, why is the tea party trying to shut them down? The TEA Party isn't trying to do anything the market doesn't want to happen. The TEA Party is ultimately after breaking up the government run indoctrination center monopoly in order to make way for schools that parents actually want- schools that are about education. Yesterday I attended church at a public school. The wall of one of the rooms was decorated with anti-bullying nonsense and stuff about racism the kids made. It was a HIGH SCHOOL. Scarcely a one contained no spelling errors-- one of them read: Old People Rule and then "Don't be Hatin'" -- nevermind what the f*** that actually means (nothing) or how that's relevant to anything a school ought to be teaching... And this is one of the "good" schools. Some of us are sick and tired of subsidizing this bullshit AND then having to come out of pocket and pay for our kids education on top of it.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 18, 2011 7:04:03 GMT -5
But workers wages have pretty much been at a stand still or worse, for a while now,unless the media is just making a big deal out of this recession thing, while coporate profits have been setting records....... You love your myths, don't you? Wages have gone up-- you just have to look at the correct data. What has fallen is "household income". The individual worker has seen a steady increase in wages. The stats you have to dig up to find declining wages also ignore the lower costs of living, the changing standard of what is "standard" like tv's, computers, a/c, cell phones, etc... Here- it's an old article (2010) but it makes the point: mises.org/Community/forums/t/15824.aspx
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 18, 2011 7:48:16 GMT -5
California Public Schools took a big hit because of recent layoffs and downsizing. The school district let go young and talented teachers and had to hold onto those with longer tenure who were not as capable or as competent as those laid off and they kept administrators and others who just add to the bloated schools bureaucracies..IMHO
And there is a dire shortage of good Math and Science Teachers out here as in most states I would assume.. However those who can afford it are sending their kids to private schools hoping to get around this issue in CA but those who cannot afford private schools have to endure our Public Schools.. Private School costs for kindergarten through the 8th Grade costs @$15,000.00 per year..(Average)...
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Post by zipity on Jul 18, 2011 10:51:34 GMT -5
I have no idea what the Tea Party is doing.. I never heard them doing anything in West Texas.. All I heard was a lot of TV free coverage from Washington. Anyway you look at it we need to do something..I am not sure what will work but at least They are working hard here to make thinks better for the children of a lot of retired Air Force Big Brass..
The tea party attempting to abolish public schools is the topic of this thread, that said however anywhere you look around the country the quality of the schools is directly related to the involvement of the community. The public schools here are for the most part very good, however pockets of not-so-good do exist in some of the mid-sized cities that haven't done much since mid-last century.
The TEA Party isn't trying to do anything the market doesn't want to happen. The TEA Party is ultimately after breaking up the government run indoctrination center monopoly in order to make way for schools that parents actually want- schools that are about education.
I'd like to see that statement backed up with some non-foxnews-republican-right-wing statistics. Republicans have forever wanted their voucher program so they could put their kids into religious and elite schools and not pay their share of public school cost. The "government run indoctrination center monopoly" nonsense is the tea party response to the DOE wanting to set national standards and national teaching methodology. There's no reason why schools shouldn't be teaching off a national plan allowing parents the freedom to move from one state to another without disrupting the kid's education. Indoctrination center, please don't post the video of the 10-12 kids doing the Obama chant, I've seen it and it's not what the DOE is all about.
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Post by Shirina on Jul 19, 2011 18:25:18 GMT -5
We all know that "real wages" have gone up. After all, the minimum wage is not still 25 cents. However, you should dig out a chart showing how much spending power that $7.15 per hour minimum wage has today. My father, for instance, bought a brand new 3 bedroom home in suburbia for around $20k on $2.75/hour. Now, even a person making minimum wage makes almost 3.5 times more, but that same house now goes for around $150,000. Real wages would only be keeping up if that same house had a value of around $70k, but it doesn't. It's twice that, putting it well out of reach of most lower income people.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2011 18:40:28 GMT -5
But workers wages have pretty much been at a stand still or worse, for a while now,unless the media is just making a big deal out of this recession thing, while coporate profits have been setting records....... You love your myths, don't you? Wages have gone up-- you just have to look at the correct data. What has fallen is "household income". The individual worker has seen a steady increase in wages. The stats you have to dig up to find declining wages also ignore the lower costs of living, the changing standard of what is "standard" like tv's, computers, a/c, cell phones, etc... Here- it's an old article (2010) but it makes the point: mises.org/Community/forums/t/15824.aspxit is nice of you to want to try to help people dispell their myths. however, i believe that the person in question said "worker", which has a broad definition, but would not necessarily include "management". if you look at wage growth since 1970, and compare it to the 30 years prior to that, some interesting observations can be made: Note: The figure plots the annual percentage growth rate in mean real family income by quintile and for the top 5 percent of families for 1947 to 1973 and 1973 to 2005. Incomes are converted to constant dollars using the Consumer Price Index Research Series (CPI-U-RS). The income concept used is the official U.S. Census Bureau measure of pre-tax, post-transfer money income. what is interesting is that the top 5% have fared about as well as ever in the last (30) years, but ALL OTHER GROUPS have fallen steadily behind their earlier gains.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2011 18:42:29 GMT -5
i would add one more thing to the above post: since Bush took office, the gains in household income, though fairly good on paper, were eaten up 100% by rising healthcare costs for the bottom 4/5ths of America.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 19, 2011 20:31:12 GMT -5
They are Independent school Districts and the bank account belongs to the schools and teachers. You statement makes no since.Please think about it and return your thoughts with a grip on facts...I'm sorry, did I say ANYTHING about your ISD? ANYTHING? No, if you go back and read my post then take a look at which party is looking to kill public education, what I said does make sense even if you do a a couple of decent magnet schools. How are the rest of the kids doing, you know the ones who don't make it into a magnet school? Zip,K4U ISD was the topic.. IE Public schools.. Well Schools for Excellence vs magnet schools?? What should we do.. Try voting at the school boards elections.. Something I have not heard a lot about on this post!! Best of luck .. Remember how many IDS they are in the USA!!! Picture is of the latest trend.. six high schools in one central location Erasmus Hall in Brooklyn NY.. Yes they have Magnet School and Gates Foundation has paid for a High Schools for advance Studies..!! It is all about money and money is starting to turn in places other then Abilene,TX Bi Attachments:
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 19, 2011 20:44:51 GMT -5
i would add one more thing to the above post: since Bush took office, the gains in household income, though fairly good on paper, were eaten up 100% by rising healthcare costs for the bottom 4/5ths of America. DJ, K4U I thought the topic was Public school education.. Well for the first time every wages in Hospitals for very high skilled workers like Pharmacy Techs and Lab Techs are now equal to Labor like UAW.. It sure takes a lot more education .. with this in Mind Abilene,TX has a dedicated high school on the Campus of Hardin-Simmons University to teach these skills next to the largest Medical Centre in West Texas. Every where in West Texas I go I see advancing education systems to correct past problems.. Need a job move to Texas.. We will Educate your children better then your education.. ( IMHO).. Just a thought,BTI Holland Medical High School is a unique, collaborative partnership between Hardin-Simmons University—a private, higher-education institution—with the Abilene Independent School District—a K-12 public school system. Built on the northeast corner of the beautiful HSU campus in north Abilene, Holland Medical High School is located near the largest medical community in West Texas, including the adjacent Hendrick Health System. To be eligible to attend Holland Medical High School, students must be enrolled fulltime in the Abilene Independent School District. All 10th grade students in the AISD who are interested in the allied health field are eligible to enter the Health Science Technology program. After successfully completing a Health Science Technology I course at their home campus, students are eligible to attend Holland Medical High School as 11th and/or 12th graders. In addition to advanced Health Science Tech courses such as Certified Nurses Aide training, Pharmacy Tech, and Emergency Medical Services, students take an academic course (Anatomy and Physiology, Forensic Science, or English) while at Med High. Attachments:
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Post by zipity on Jul 19, 2011 22:52:29 GMT -5
ISD was the topic.. IE Public schools..
You should re-read message 1.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 19, 2011 23:24:05 GMT -5
“We think public schools should go away,’’ says Teri Adams, the head of the Independence Hall Tea Party and a leading advocate — both in New Jersey and Pennsylvania — of passage of school voucher bills. The tea party operates in those two states and Delaware. They should “go away,” she says, because “they are hurting our children.’’ [...] Adams says the current voucher program “discriminates” against wealthier students by providing public subsidies only to inner-city children in allegedly failing schools. Her group’s e-mails pushing vouchers caught the attention of James Kovalcin of South Brunswick, a retired public school teacher who asked Adams for clarification. She responded via email: “Our ultimate goal is to shut down public schools and have private schools only, eventually returning responsibility for payment to parents and private charities. It’s going to happen piecemeal and not overnight. It took us years to get into this mess and it’s going to take years to get out of it.” thinkprogress.org/education/2011/07/11/265663/voucher-tea-party-go-away/ZIP, GREAT RESOUND OF WORDS Well,There it is .. I see a lot of opinions and zero backing..So Why is the Ultimate goal to shut down public schools??? What will that do with all the Trillions of dollars invested in land and Buildings for our children??? "IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN PIECEMEAL".. AGAIN THIS IS ONLY ONE PERSONS OPINION!!.. ARE PRIVATE CHARACTERISES BETTER ABLE TO SUPPORT EDUCATION THEN THE DEDICATED TAX BASES SYSTEM ?? WANT AN OPINION.. NO.. THAT IS MY OPINION !! WYAT IS YOURS.. I WANT TO AN EPISCOPAL MILITARY SCHOOL. NOW: PLEASE REREAD SUBJECT!! TEA PARTY IS NOT INCLUDED.. JUST A THOUGHT AND MY OWN OPENION, BTI ALSO FAMOUS FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS.. ICELAND HAS BETTER EDUCATION THEN USA Attachments:
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 20, 2011 3:43:30 GMT -5
America's Best High Schools
These are challenging times for secondary education. Cash-strapped school districts are cutting back; No Child Left Behind mandates test results; parents and students stress unabated. NEWSWEEK, which has been ranking the top public high schools in America for more than a decade, revamped its methodology this year in hopes of highlighting solutions. We enlisted a panel of experts—Wendy Kopp of Teach For America, Tom Vander Ark of Open Education Solutions (formerly executive director for education at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation), and Linda Darling-Hammond, Stanford professor of education and founder of the School Redesign Network—to develop a yardstick that fully reflects a school’s success turning out college-ready (and life-ready) students. To this end, each school’s score is comprised of six components: graduation rate (25%), college matriculation rate (25%), AP tests taken per graduate (25%), average SAT/ACT scores (10%), average AP/IB/AICE scores (10%), and AP courses offered (5%). (For more information on how these rankings were tabulated, see our Full Methodology.)
Well with the top spots going to Dallas,TX I thought it was interesting the New Exploration gain to #17... One of five citywide gifted programs and the only one to serve children in grades K-12, New Explorations into Science, Technology & Math (NEST) has a significantly faster-paced curriculum than most other New York City public schools. Children have up to an hour a night of homework beginning in kindergarten; by high school, students may be expected to do as much as four hours a night.
All elementary school students study Mandarin once a week. Middle school students take Regents-level courses more typically offered in high school, including algebra, geometry, Earth Science, and Living Environment. In high school, students may take two years of college-level calculus, electives like economics, astronomy, music theory and ballroom dancing; and foreign languages including Latin, Russian, German, Mandarin, French and Spanish. Principal Olga Livanis says the accelerated pace of instruction is necessary for the United States to maintain its position in the global economy
“The competition is so fierce,” said Livanis, who has two doctorates, one in chemistry and one in educational administration. “Look what China is doing! Look what India is doing!”
Housed in a sunny two-story building with wide halls and classrooms arranged around a central courtyard, NEST has increased its enrollment from about 1,000 to more than 1,500 in the past five years. Some students enter in kindergarten; others enter in sixth grade, still others in ninth grade. In recent years NEST has had a significant number of openings for ninth graders as many eighth graders leave NEST for specialized high schools.
Livanis, who came to NEST in 2006 after a decade at Stuyvesant High School, has more than doubled the high school’s enrollment (to 550 students) and significantly expanded the number of Advanced Placement courses offered. She has recruited teachers from specialized high schools, including Stuyvesant, Bronx High School of Science and Brooklyn Latin and created a curriculum that includes a good balance of math, science, the humanities and the arts. The elementary school has mostly white children from middle class or prosperous families; the high school has a mix of black, white, Latino and Asian children, about half of whom are eligible for free lunch.
NEST was once known as a sink-or-swim school where children who couldn’t keep up with the pace were “counseled out”—asked to leave. Although NEST still loses some students, Livanis says she is committed to creating a place in which all children, once admitted, are given whatever help they need to succeed. Diagnosed with dyslexia as a college student herself, Livanis says she understands that students may have uneven abilities, and that even gifted students can face significant academic challenges. The mother of a high-achieving child with a learning disability told us she was pleasantly surprised by the level of support NEST gave her son. Other parents said teachers are available to provide extra help after school and during lunch. “My son has an issue with handwriting,” a mother said. “When I contacted them about that, they responded right away and assigned him to an occupational therapist.”
Each class in kindergarten through second grade has a play area with lots of blocks. The rooms are bright and colorful. Lessons are woven around interdisciplinary themes such as transportation (the different types, how fast or slow they move) and Central Park (how to read maps, or build bridges, or what kind of wildlife lives there). The elementary school (also called the Lower School) has weekly "enrichment clusters" in which children from different classes work together on projects such as cooking, puppetry or street hockey.
NEST uses the Singapore math curriculum, which emphasizes quick recall of arithmetic facts more than the TERC or Everyday Math programs used in most New York City schools, which emphasizes conceptual understanding. For parents who are frustrated by the progressive math programs in use in most of the city, the Singapore math is one of NEST's great strengths.
“Overall, I feel like we’ve hit the lottery,” said a mother who is active in the PTA. “Our daughter has been challenged but not stressed out.”
In the middle school, the amount of homework increases from about an hour a night to two hours a night or more, parents told us. Girls and boys are separated for math and science; Livanis said girls, in particular, are more likely to speak in class if they are separated from boys. One mother praised teachers for their willingness to coach sports. "They are committed to the whole picture and not just teaching classes and dashing out at the end of the day," she said. Children in grades three through eight wear a dress code: khaki or navy blue trousers or skirts, and polo shirts of various colors emblazoned with a NEST+m logo. Both elementary and middle school children play outside in the pleasant courtyard after lunch.
About half of the eighth graders leave NEST for larger or more established high schools; therefore, a significant number of seats are available for new ninth graders. The high school students who were at NEST for middle school may be as many as two years ahead of the newcomers in science and math, but teachers accommodate students at all levels. And, while Livanis said she expects student to do up to four hours of homework a night, we spoke to parents who said two hours was more typical.
Many classes have desks in rows, and there are more classes where the teacher does most of the talking than there are classes with lively discussions. One parent said the school could do a better job of teaching children to do research projects. At the same time, we saw engaging classes and interesting student work. A Spanish class constructed “dreamhouses,” which they then had to “sell” to the class, in Spanish, as if they were real estate agents. Students in an economics class wrote business plans for their dream enterprises – including a bakery and a restaurant. Students in a chemistry class created molecules with plastic beads. The tone of the school is relaxed. On our visit, we saw kids sit in the hall on the linoleum floor in front of their lockers, chatting and eating snacks. “They’re children,” Livanis said. “I want them to feel at home.”
NEST has a full-time college counselor. Students have been admitted to top colleges such as MIT, Wesleyan, Swarthmore, Yale, Columbia, Brown and Cooper Union, among others. A handful of kids go on to community colleges.
On the corner of Houston Street and Avenue D on the Lower East Side, NEST is far from the nearest subway. Because it serves children from all five boroughs, it’s hard for small children to play at one another’s homes after school. “The hardest thing for me, the school is so geographically isolated,” said a parent. “It’s hard to develop a sense of community at the school. When do you see other parents? There aren’t too many volunteer opportunities within the school.” But overall, parents are happy with NEST.
“We love NEST and it has only gotten better since her freshman year,” said the mother of a senior. “She wishes that she could start again.”
Special education: About 25 students receive special education services. Occupational therapy and speech therapy are available. Only eight students are English Language Learners. There are two ESL teachers on staff who teach these children an extra class every day.
Admissions: Children in K-2 are admitted according to their scores on two tests, the Otis-Lennon School Abilities Test (OLSAT) and the Bracken School Readiness Assessment. Students must score in the 99th percentile on the OLSAT to be eligible for kindergarten. (Siblings who score in the 97th percentile may be considered) For admission to the sixth grade, students must score in the 95th percentile on the OLSAT; the school also considers children's fourth grade report cards, standardized test scores and attendance records. For high school, students must take the school's own entrance exam. Current elementary students are guaranteed admission into middle school; current middle school students are guaranteed admission into high school. The school website has an online sign-up form for testing and details about open houses. Free yellow school bus service is provided for children in grades K-6 living in Manhattan, within a 5.5-mile drive of the school. Parents in other boroughs and other parts of Manhattan may pay $3,500 for private bus service
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Post by zipity on Jul 20, 2011 20:17:47 GMT -5
ZIP, GREAT RESOUND OF WORDS
Sorry, I've reread your post twice but I'm not sure what your point or opinion is. My opinion is educating the children of this country should be our top strategic priority. Not some of the children, not only the children whose parents can afford top schools but every child. If parents want to send their kids to private schools I don't have a problem with that BUT that does not relieve them of the responsibility to support public schools.
“Look what China is doing! Look what India is doing!”
Is the point that we need to do it the way China and India are doing it? I disagree, I think we need to do it better than they are doing it and that's not going to happen when each state does it their own way. We do need to take one lesson from them and continue to look at education at a national level, setting standards and direction for states to strive to meet.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 20, 2011 20:54:52 GMT -5
Zip, You got my point to the tee!! We are in agreement!! It is for the future!! Like the very famous High School in New York on the Cooper Union's Washington Square.. New York Night High School.. has been set up for students that have for one reason or another dropped out but want.. yes want an Education..Classes are run until about 11Pm from 7AM.. may then go to College like Cooper Union ( free)... Now that the truth is out I have some very liberal friend in Finland. You would lover their system and it is 100% Federal.. Like some of the West Texas IDS everyone is part of the child's education..From FFA with show lambs to Football. I do not know where we have failed but we are also on the high side of the upper half.. Like Health care.. Great or poor..I thought you would enjoy the NEST+ Story about the reverse to K-12 concept.. I hear the Mayor of New York has closed some schools that failed.. K4U, Bi Metal Au Pt
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 22, 2011 5:21:38 GMT -5
zZip, I thought this item about the Science and math high school was great.. Also they offer advanced placement with four schools of the Universities here in Abilene,TX .. Note the use of Problem solving methods to teach!! I would have loved that!! Our Mission: Our mission is to prepare students for success in the global community as lifelong learners. ATEMS will foster an environment focused on innovative science, technology, engineering and mathematics curriculum. Working independently and in teams, students will complete rigorous, real-world assignments and projects that prepare them for post-secondary ambitions. Our Vision: The Academy of Technology, Engineering, Math, & Science's vision is to provide meaningful opportunities in a learning community that encourages shared decision making, ethical relationships and service to others through the use of 21st century skills and technology. Who we are... Welcome to the Academy of Technology, Engineering, Math, & Science. As a 21st century school, ATEMS embraces rigor in both traditional core learning areas and in skills typically not taught as a part of a traditional curriculum. The Academy is a unique school in Abilene ISD and will help revolutionize the educational experience of high school students across the Big Country. The overall goal of ATEMS is not only to increase student achievement in math and science, but also to inspire students by exposing them to rigorous “real world” problems and issues using research-based, proven curriculum. The basis for the Academy curriculum will be Project-Based Learning (PBL) designed by the New Tech Network in conjunction with Project Lead The Way (PLTW), a nationally recognized curriculum for engineering. In order to support a collaborative and project-based learning environment, ATEMS made some fundamental changes in the way school operates. Our teachers are “facilitators” because they assist learners through projects but are not the sole source of information. In addition, the campus is technology-rich, mimicking the workplace where all participants have access to the technological tools they need to complete their work. The campus is fully wireless with a 1:1 computer ratio for all students and facilitators. When projects are completed, external evaluators from a variety of business and education fields come to grade student presentations and final products. All students at the Academy will complete four years of math and science and meet all state requirements for the recommended graduation plan. Upon high school graduation from ATEMS, students will have had the opportunity to accrue at least 30 college hours and participate in capstone or internships with local businesses. Is This the Right School for You? Would you like your student to graduate from high school with a thorough preparation for college and with college credits already earned? Would you like your student to be able to confidently communicate in professional situations? Do you think proficiency in a wide variety of technology applications would be a valuable skill to acquire? If you answered yes to the above questions, then the new Academy of Technology, Engineering, Math & Science is the place for your child. In partnership with higher education institutions, and multiple business and community organizations, the Academy will prepare your child for the 21st century.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 22, 2011 7:08:22 GMT -5
“Look what China is doing! Look what India is doing!”
I have friends from China and India. So I am not going to knock them but they are the first to admit that their system is the reason they came to the US. They only attempt to educate the top 10% above grade school. After that you either need to be uber smart or come from a family of means. My one friend from India wasn't near smart enough. His family did have the money so he got to go to HS there and then college in the US. He is super smart but didn't show that in the 2nd grade. Is that really the system we want.
I will accept them as having better education system than us when they start educating every student through HS like we do.
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Post by ungenteel on Jul 22, 2011 19:26:06 GMT -5
I will keep stating this as long as this idea is floated. If you want to privatize education .. then step up to the plate and advocate for privatized police and fire departments. The logic would be the same.
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 22, 2011 19:41:25 GMT -5
Beachbum: My wife teaches ESL classes and she gets the same story. The education systems in China and India are not really as some try to paint them. For most in both countries advanced education is a myth. We only see the higher end students from these countries which are very few conpared to the actual number of children of school age in other countries.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jul 22, 2011 20:31:29 GMT -5
I will keep stating this as long as this idea is floated. If you want to privatize education .. then step up to the plate and advocate for privatized police and fire departments. The logic would be the same. Back in the 70s, I remember MAD Magazine had in one issue "Yellow Pages" ads for privatized public services like police, fire, and garbage. It was quite funny.
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Post by gobermitcheese on Jul 22, 2011 22:18:08 GMT -5
I don't get what would be so bad about paying for your schooling. There are people in Africa that live on $2 a day but find ways to pay for private schools because their government run schools are not even good enough for them.
Also as a side note voucher programs do have merit on there own if anyone wants to discuss that but they do not destroy public schools. I would even argue they make them stronger.
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ungenteel
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Post by ungenteel on Jul 22, 2011 22:36:53 GMT -5
<<Also as a side note voucher programs do have merit on there own>>
school vouchers are no more than creepy social Darwinism
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 23, 2011 1:37:06 GMT -5
“Look what China is doing! Look what India is doing!”I have friends from China and India. So I am not going to knock them but they are the first to admit that their system is the reason they came to the US. They only attempt to educate the top 10% above grade school. After that you either need to be uber smart or come from a family of means. My one friend from India wasn't near smart enough. His family did have the money so he got to go to HS there and then college in the US. He is super smart but didn't show that in the 2nd grade. Is that really the system we want. I will accept them as having better education system than us when they start educating every student through HS like we do. 973 B.B., Long time no talk.. It was a hook I put into the paper.. India is a copy of the English system.. Classes are thought in English. We see a lot of the computer guys out here and they are good.. There system teaches general stuff but none have great creative skills.. IE they can not take an idea or concept and end up with a major program.. They do not get the education that goes around the program to under stand how the mathematics works.. Differential Equations: Geometric Theory?? HYPERBOLIC !!?? I think we have a comparison with what John Tarleton did in Texas vs what George Seros is doing in very rural China.. Later on that...You have to educate a few to have the teachers to educate everyone..... will K4U!! Bi Metal Au Pt Picture.. Divide and develop.. From one High School to five or six... Attachments:
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bimetalaupt
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 23, 2011 1:47:49 GMT -5
“Look what China is doing! Look what India is doing!”I have friends from China and India. So I am not going to knock them but they are the first to admit that their system is the reason they came to the US. They only attempt to educate the top 10% above grade school. After that you either need to be uber smart or come from a family of means. My one friend from India wasn't near smart enough. His family did have the money so he got to go to HS there and then college in the US. He is super smart but didn't show that in the 2nd grade. Is that really the system we want. I will accept them as having better education system than us when they start educating every student through HS like we do. 973 B.B., I know my late wife and I talked about this over and over.. System of education. Are we teaching how to repeat or Critical thinking??? I vote for the later.. It is something many teachers lack.. Something you can not score on a standard test very well because standard test are not standard and the problems lend themselves to complex answers. You need more then "Fuzzy Logic" to solve the worlds problem of food and fuel!! Just a thought, Bi metal Au Pt
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Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 23, 2011 15:55:19 GMT -5
That's where my check mark goes as well. Some of the greats from the west didn't even have to go to University, and they Changed the world.. Bill Gates?? How about the Chinese and their new great bullet train? A technical marvel?? Doubtful.. BTI
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Shirina
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Post by Shirina on Jul 24, 2011 0:24:16 GMT -5
In order to allow a "for profit" educational system whereby parents must pay for their children's schooling directly we would have to end compulsory schooling. After all, wouldn't forcing people to buy services from a private company be unconstitutional? That's what many keep saying about Obama's health care bill forcing people to buy insurance.
Having no compulsory education coupled with paying tuition will only mean that poor children will never step foot inside of a classroom and even some children of better off parents may not be educated simply because the parents refuse to pay.
Sure we could use vouchers to help the poorer parents pay for schooling, but as with every income-based entitlement program, those sitting at or near the cut-off point will be too poor to afford school but too rich to qualify for vouchers. That represents millions of kids.
It's a bad idea all around.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jul 24, 2011 15:06:03 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is suggesting "forcing people to buy services from a private company" in this case. I'd assume that "public schools" would continue to exist for those who choose, but even without that, requiring that parents and/or guardians provide for the education of children under their supervision does not require that they "buy services" since "home schooling" would, I assume, continue to be an option. I don't think that complete elimination of "public schools" is practical, but it could be contracted out like other government services.
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Post by Shirina on Jul 24, 2011 22:01:57 GMT -5
Home schooling would only be an option to families that can do well on a single income, and it leaves out single parents entirely. Single parents and two-income families represent a large part of the population - if not the majority. I'd also rather not see our schools become "corporatized" with administrators making tens of millions of dollars per year while pandering to shareholders instead of students.
The moment the true existence of schools becomes about making a profit rather than education, the quality of said education is destined to worsen rather than improve.
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