Fourth of July is Only For Republicans

[floridayankee]

Anybody in southern New England, I recommend you attend the parade in Bristol, RI.

Bristol Fourth of July Parade (or Bristol Fourth of July Celebration), founded in 1785, is a nationally known Fourth of July parade in Bristol, Rhode Island. The parade is part of the oldest continuous Independence Day celebration in the United States of America.

Great parade. I always loved the "yellow line" running down hope street year 'round. This year will be the 226th year of the parade.

[chiver78]

thanks for the heads-up, FY. I'm planning to be at Foxwoods on Sunday night, with some friends that live in southern RI. if I can persuade them to open up a couch spot, I might check that parade out on Monday. if not, my local city parade will have to do.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 1, 2011 14:37:02 GMT -5 steff said:

Let's not forget that Saturday night, 100,000+ mostly Republicans will be drinking beer and watching cars go round and round at Daytona.

Interestingly enough, yesterday I watched a show that was all about Ronald Regan attending a Daytona race.

Yep. I saw that, too.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 1, 2011 14:36:19 GMT -5 shelby said:

Krickitt while I will not say they do not exist in the republican party, I do not think it is a good representation of all republicans that would be rediculous like palms comments are. I was just showing how dumb it is to stereotype in that way as if I know what all republicans or liberals think. But palm does

My "comments" are basically just a rewording of the results of a Harvard study. So, if you want to call them 'rediculous', then be my guest.

What should bother you about this thread is the study. Liberals here are taking out their frustrations on me, which is a common reaction to an unpleasant truth about one's self. It's easier to get mad at me than it is for some people on the left to accept the great transcendant truth of the principles described in the Declaration, learn to love them, and celebrate them on the Fourth of July. It's easier to shoot the messenger than deal with the news.

[billisonboard]

Jul 2, 2011 8:58:26 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

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My "comments" are basically just a rewording of the results of a Harvard study. So, if you want to call them 'rediculous', then be my guest. ....

Paul,
What do you think about the use of lack of rainfall as a proxy for attendance at Fourth of July celebrations?

[privateinvestor]

Jul 2, 2011 8:58:26 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 1, 2011 14:36:19 GMT -5 shelby said:

Krickitt while I will not say they do not exist in the republican party, I do not think it is a good representation of all republicans that would be rediculous like palms comments are. I was just showing how dumb it is to stereotype in that way as if I know what all republicans or liberals think. But palm does

My "comments" are basically just a rewording of the results of a Harvard study. So, if you want to call them 'rediculous', then be my guest.

What should bother you about this thread is the study. Liberals here are taking out their frustrations on me, which is a common reaction to an unpleasant truth about one's self. It's easier to get mad at me than it is for some people on the left to accept the great transcendant truth of the principles described in the Declaration, learn to love them, and celebrate them on the Fourth of July. It's easier to shoot the messenger than deal with the news.

Excuse me PBP you are not the only one catching the Liberal's wrath..Although I must admit I am unable to understand some of this so called "wrath".. but think it may be an opportunity for our Liberal friends to unload on those of us they personally dislike...for whatever reasons??

[Deleted]

I don't have any problem with the study. I think its practically impossible to control for variables, and would question the validity of claiming CAUSATION... I really don't think that observing the parade is what directly causes an very slight (1-4%- i'd like to look at the raw data) increase in Republican activities. The truth is, and i'm not sure how to put this without sounding insulting, cause i really don't want to be, and its why i didn't say it before... but from my observation, the staunch republican/ self described 'conservatives', that i know are at once both 1) more prone to 'demonstrate' their beliefs, including 'patriotism', in occasional, showey... look at me i'm patriotic/conservative... kind of ways. So I would think quite probable that parents who are republican/conservative would have a slight, 1-4%, higher attendance at such events ... and thus the envirnoment of being raised by those parents is actually more likely a causal factor than one parade. And at the same time 2) are less likely to be diverse in the types of 'events' that they regularly attend... so that the occasional, showey events like the parade would tend to stand out more in their memories, versus someone who went to so many different types of things, so often, that they can't recall a single parade as vividly...

In short... the variables are countless, and i see absolutely no way to interpret causation from this study...

[billisonboard]

Jul 2, 2011 9:48:01 GMT -5 oped said:

... I really don't think that observing the parade ...
...

oped,
You need to look at the study. They did not measure observation of a parade. They looked at lack of rainfall in the county that a person might have grown up in based on the fact that the person still lived in the region of the country at age 40 that they were born in.

www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/dyanagi/Research/FourthOfJuly.pdf

[Deleted]

lmao... you're right billis... i should have read the study first and not the spin... I took the OP claims at face value... lol..

Are you sure this wasn't published on the Onion? ...

[billisonboard]

Jul 2, 2011 10:13:11 GMT -5 oped said:

lmao... you're right billis... i should have read the study first and not the spin... I took the OP claims at face value... lol..

Are you sure this wasn't published on the Onion? ...

There is no indication that it has been "published" anywhere. In fact, the study indicates it is "preliminary". I would be very much surprised if it passes any sort of peer review and makes it into publication. It is simply something that has been posted on the internet.

[privateinvestor]

What is hilarious is how few failed to read this Harvard study but instead just attacked, attacked some more and they tried to out do each other with all of their ridiculous attacks....although I didn't quite understand all the personal attacks...but probably just as well...I think most of us would be too embarasssed or have too much pride in ourselves to post some of those personal attacks by our liberals friends here but thanfully some of the outrageous ones were deleted By Miss Molly by Golly this time around..

[Shirina]

What is hilarious is how few failed to read this Harvard study but instead just attacked, attacked some more and they tried to out do each other with all of their ridiculous attacks....

Keep in mind that the article was posted with commentary by the OP. Perhaps it is the commentary, as much as the study itself, that has provoked liberals?

And let's not forget that the OP has a habit of posting flagrantly anti-liberal propaganda. Perhaps if the OP had carefully read the study, he would have thought twice about putting his name beside it on a message board.

[cereb]

I think most of us realized and took the thread topic and commentary by the OP for the mental masturbation that it was.

[privateinvestor]

Jul 2, 2011 16:04:37 GMT -5 cereb said:

I think most of us realized and took the thread topic and commentary by the OP for the mental masturbation that it was.

Not really I had seen similar studies before and find them interesting to say the least.. I have also seen studies about the differences between Liberals and Conservatives that were also interesting. I think you can pick almost any poltical controversial topic and there is a study or a poll..it gives political pundits something to do or to earn a living..

[privateinvestor]

Jul 2, 2011 8:37:44 GMT -5 ameiko said:

This is why so many people dislike atheists: their utter arrogance and desire to rain on everyone else's parade (almost literally in this case).

No one really cares about their beliefs but they sure do care about YOURS to the point of getting in your face as noted above or thinking that a street sign like "Seven in Heaven" violates the Constitution,

The stupid morons don't even understand what the Establishment clause in the First Amendment is nor that the phrase "separation of church and state" is not in the Constitution, nor that most of our Founders were religious men who were guided by their Christian principles even as they respected other's right to not be religious.

Other stupid ideas of theirs: "keep religion private" like it's some evil or embarrassing thing. What does that mean? I can't wear a cross or carry a Bible? Must all Churches be hidden so as not to offend (a mega victory mosque on the sites of a Muslim attack is OK though)? Are the words "God" and "Jesus" to be struck from the public vernacular? Are the religious banned from voting lest those religious twisted minds somehow make us follow some evil and warped ideas like charity or laws against murder and theft?

I agree with the above comments by Ameiko and much of what he has said before so I guess we think a lot alike. And can only add sadly this is the country we now live in that is not the country some of us grew up . And I would surmise of us are having a rough time adjusting to these nuances but just have to live with them, I guess

[Shirina]

I agree with the above comments by Ameiko

Ameiko seems to want a Christian Taliban running the country.

[cereb]

Jul 2, 2011 16:41:14 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Jul 2, 2011 8:37:44 GMT -5 ameiko said:

This is why so many people dislike atheists: their utter arrogance and desire to rain on everyone else's parade (almost literally in this case).

No one really cares about their beliefs but they sure do care about YOURS to the point of getting in your face as noted above or thinking that a street sign like "Seven in Heaven" violates the Constitution,

The stupid morons don't even understand what the Establishment clause in the First Amendment is nor that the phrase "separation of church and state" is not in the Constitution, nor that most of our Founders were religious men who were guided by their Christian principles even as they respected other's right to not be religious.

Other stupid ideas of theirs: "keep religion private" like it's some evil or embarrassing thing. What does that mean? I can't wear a cross or carry a Bible? Must all Churches be hidden so as not to offend (a mega victory mosque on the sites of a Muslim attack is OK though)? Are the words "God" and "Jesus" to be struck from the public vernacular? Are the religious banned from voting lest those religious twisted minds somehow make us follow some evil and warped ideas like charity or laws against murder and theft?

I agree with the above comments by Ameiko and much of what he has said before so I guess we think a lot alike. And can only add sadly this is the country we now live in that is not the country some of us grew up . And I would surmise of us are having a rough time adjusting to these nuances but just have to live with them, I guess

Sorry to hear that. You have my condolences on the demise of your common sense.

[privateinvestor]

Jul 2, 2011 17:06:32 GMT -5 cereb said:

Jul 2, 2011 16:41:14 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

I agree with the above comments by Ameiko and much of what he has said before so I guess we think a lot alike. And can only add sadly this is the country we now live in that is not the country some of us grew up . And I would surmise of us are having a rough time adjusting to these nuances but just have to live with them, I guess

Sorry to hear that. You have my condolences.

Why because I am not one of the 4% in this country who agrees with you??

[Shirina]

Why because I am not one of the 4% in this country who agrees with you??

Uh ... more than 4% would disagree with Ameiko's statements. In fact, I'm willing to bet MOST people would disagree. That 4% did not come from a survey asking, "Do you agree with Ameiko?"

You're trying to juxtapose results from a very specific survey question onto Ameiko's opinions as if both were one and the same.

[cereb]

"America is alive and well, and not keen on being fundamentally transformed... "



I'm fairly sure you don't speak for everyone in America.

[cereb]

"Why because I am not one of the 4% in this country who agrees with you??"


No, not at all, but thanks for confirming that it was right and proper to extend my condolences.

[privateinvestor]

Americans continue to embrace the ideals expressed in the Declaration of Independence. Ninety percent (90%) agree that “we are all endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, among them life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness


No need for your condolences, save them for someone who has passed on I am in the 90% until I pass then you can express your condolences..

But Hey I have no problem with those not in the 90% but often wondered if they are really successful and happy with their lives??

[billisonboard]

Jul 2, 2011 16:38:30 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Jul 2, 2011 16:04:37 GMT -5 cereb said:

I think most of us realized and took the thread topic and commentary by the OP for the mental masturbation that it was.

Not really I had seen similar studies before and find them interesting to say the least.. I have also seen studies about the differences between Liberals and Conservatives that were also interesting. I think you can pick almost any poltical controversial topic and there is a study or a poll..it gives political pundits something to do or to earn a living..

"(T)here is a study or a poll" but it is important to look at the details to determine if they are worth paying attention to. The methodology of this particular study, coupled with the fact that it has had no peer review, makes it very suspect. They did not look at actual attendance at events. They looked at the probability of rain having fallen on the 4th of July within the county that individuals might have lived in when they were young.

For each day, we first aggregate the weather station data to the county level by extracting the average rainfall (in inches) in the county. Figure 2 graphically shows the probability of rain during Fourth of July in U.S. counties for the sample period....
A limitation is that we lack information of the county of birth or county of residence in childhood. When investigating the long-term effect of Fourth of July, we would like to measure rainfall for an individual during childhood. Since we only observe the county of residence at the time of the survey, we match at the county of residence, leading to a measurement error problem. However, in most surveys, data is available on the region of birth. To mitigate some of the measurement error problem we only include individuals living in the region of birth in Panel A. www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/dyanagi/Research/FourthOfJuly.pdf

I don't see this making it past a peer review to publication in any reputable academic journal.

[cereb]

"But Hey I have no problem with those not in the 90% but oftern wondered if they are really successful and happy with their lives?? "



As Shirina pointed out to you, it's a poorly worded question, and would never be used as any kind of scientific or even accurate assesment.

Now, If you are asking whether or not folks who are Athiests are sucsessful and happy in their lives, I can tell you from my own experience. I am quite happy, and in most circles would be considered very successfull. I also believe I have the same rights as anyone else expressed in the Declaration.

[privateinvestor]

Jul 2, 2011 17:32:03 GMT -5 cereb said:

"But Hey I have no problem with those not in the 90% but oftern wondered if they are really successful and happy with their lives?? "



As Shirina pointed out to you, it's a poorly worded question, and would never be used as any kind of scientific or even accurate assesment.

Now, If you are asking whether or not folks who are Atheists are successful and happy in their lives, I can tell you from my own experience. I am quite happy, and in most circles would be considered very success full. I also believe I have the same rights as anyone else expressed in the Declaration.

Did you read the question or just take Shirina's word for it??


who says you don't have those rights?? Most happy and successful folks that I know don't post a lot of negative and teeming comments ad nauseum on a message board @ 4 - 6 hours each and every day , but I guess there ares some exceptions but I doubt that

[cereb]

"Did you read the question or just take Shirina's word for it??"



You have shown that you really have nothing to offer in the way of any kind of discussion. You are here to bait people. You also have absolutely no sense of humor.


I am done, and from here forward you will be ignored. Have a nice day.

[privateinvestor]

So far the 4th of July is only for Republicans Thread is very popular

178 replies but most are rather weird and bizarre

[billisonboard]

Jul 2, 2011 17:46:31 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

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178 replies but most are rather weird and bizarre

Start with a weird and bizarre study, get weird and bizarre replies. Makes sense to me. ;D

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 2, 2011 17:43:22 GMT -5 cereb said:

"Did you read the question or just take Shirina's word for it??"



You have shown that you really have nothing to offer in the way of any kind of discussion. You are here to bait people. You also have absolutely no sense of humor.


I am done, and from here forward you will be ignored. Have a nice day.

Ooohh! oohhh! Could you ignore me, too? Please?!?

[privateinvestor]

Jul 2, 2011 19:30:08 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 2, 2011 17:43:22 GMT -5 cereb said:

"Did you read the question or just take Shirina's word for it??"



You have shown that you really have nothing to offer in the way of any kind of discussion. You are here to bait people. You also have absolutely no sense of humor.


I am done, and from here forward you will be ignored. Have a nice day.

Ooohh! oohhh! Could you ignore me, too? Please?!?

Excuse me PBP but I am ahead of you so pls wait your turn besides I am senior to you ..

P.I. (Associate Representative)