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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 30, 2011 15:23:11 GMT -5
Warning to the Libs: That Fourth of July Parade is Likely to Turn Your Kids Into Republicans. And we don't want you at OUR parade anyway-- because as it turns out, it is OUR parade. Not yours. Turns out that the upcoming Independence Day celebrations and Forth of July parades in many American towns are just Republican political rallies. A just published Harvard study reveals that the fourth of July just doesn't inspire Democrats, but the celebrations- in particular the parades have the effect of making people more likely to vote Republican. The effect doesn't fade over time. weaselzippers.us/2011/06/30/harvard-study-july-4th-parades-energize-only-gop-voters-increase-likelihood-kids-will-vote-republican/Um, yeah. I never understood why libs got all panty twisted when conservatives insist we're more patriotic. We love the founding principles described in the Declaration of Independence. Lefties keep insisting the Delcaration isn't a legal document (it is) and therefore has no relationship to the country now. Of COURSE they don't celebrate the Declaration of Independence. They are too busy DENYING its relevance. As Ronald Reagan pointed out many years ago, "Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, Democrats believe ever day is April 15th".
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Post by steff on Jun 30, 2011 15:28:04 GMT -5
This is as stupid as when someone told me that I had no right to attend ANY functions put on by my small conservative town because I'm not a conservative. My tax dollars are also funding whatever events the town puts on and I have every right to attend if I want.
There's simply no reason for every day, every holiday, or every event to be divided down the middle between "republican" or "democrat". We're ALL Americans and ALL celebrate in our own ways. And for some of us, that is attending a 4th parade, picnic and fireworks display. Stop trying to split everything into "us" or "them". We're ALL Americans.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Jun 30, 2011 15:28:23 GMT -5
So ... where do Libertarians fall into this study on parade-attendance and patriotism, I wonder?
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 30, 2011 15:30:52 GMT -5
There's simply no reason for every day, every holiday, or every event to be divided down the middle between "republican" or "democrat". We're ALL Americans and ALL celebrate in our own ways. And for some of us, that is attending a 4th parade, picnic and fireworks display. Stop trying to split everything into "us" or "them". We're ALL Americans. well said, steff.
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Post by steff on Jun 30, 2011 15:31:32 GMT -5
So ... where do Libertarians fall into this study on parade-attendance and patriotism, I wonder? It shouldn't matter. This need to divide everyone into "us" and "them", "good guys" and "bad guys" is serving NO purpose. There's nothing anywhere that says the 4th of July ONLY belongs to republicans. It's an AMERICAN holiday. It's time for this conservative need to weed out any and everyone who doesn't believe like they do to stop. the 4th of July is an AMERICAN holiday.... not a conservative one.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 30, 2011 15:34:50 GMT -5
This is as stupid as when someone told me that I had no right to attend ANY functions put on by my small conservative town because I'm not a conservative. My tax dollars are also funding whatever events the town puts on and I have every right to attend if I want. There's simply no reason for every day, every holiday, or every event to be divided down the middle between "republican" or "democrat". We're ALL Americans and ALL celebrate in our own ways. And for some of us, that is attending a 4th parade, picnic and fireworks display. Stop trying to split everything into "us" or "them". We're ALL Americans. Of course you're welcome to participate. I don't think you can lay the polarization of the flag, and patriotism at the feet of Republicans and conservatives. It's just now you have been warned: if you participate, you're more likely to want to join us politically...
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 30, 2011 15:36:10 GMT -5
It's just now you have been warned: if you participate, you're more likely to want to join us politically...
because I've wanted to join the GOP after all the other events I've attended.
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Post by bubblyandblue on Jun 30, 2011 15:38:40 GMT -5
Well I guess Palm is not patriotic. He prefers to divide this country when we are ready to celebrate our nation - our coming together as a people to fight tyranny. Palm tries to divide when he knows that we will fail if divided. Palm, you are a coward to put down such a crass piece of crap - "And we don't want you at OUR parade anyway-- because as it turns out, it is OUR parade. Not yours." DELETED COMMENT (NAME-CALLING)
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 30, 2011 15:38:57 GMT -5
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 30, 2011 15:39:48 GMT -5
bubblyandblue,
chill with the name-calling please, and edit that out.
thanks, -chiver78/Moderator
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 30, 2011 15:42:53 GMT -5
So ... where do Libertarians fall into this study on parade-attendance and patriotism, I wonder? It shouldn't matter. This need to divide everyone into "us" and "them", "good guys" and "bad guys" is serving NO purpose. There's nothing anywhere that says the 4th of July ONLY belongs to republicans. It's an AMERICAN holiday. It's time for this conservative need to weed out any and everyone who doesn't believe like they do to stop. the 4th of July is an AMERICAN holiday.... not a conservative one. Conservative = American. Liberal = Anti-American. I don't think this applies to every liberal, or that to the liberals it applies to it applies to the same degree. However, I don't think it's really up for debate. If you put Hates America at one end of a line, and Loves America at the other end of the same line and you had liberals and conservative SELF IDENTIFY where they were on that spectrum, you would find many more lefties well past the center line over on the Hates America side. The Fourth of July is the Federal holiday on which we celebrate the issuance of our founding document, the Declaration of Independence. Several liberals on this very board spent a good bit of time and energy on another thread arguing for the diminished importance, and legal insignificance of that same document. Now, it's for "everybody"? See, you have to make a choice at some point. You either believe in, celebrate, and revere the principles in the Declaration- or you don't. Liberals, for the most part are ambivalent to downright opposed to most of it.
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Post by steff on Jun 30, 2011 15:43:06 GMT -5
won't happen. I was born and raised in a Red state... I now live in an even more Red state and nothing has changed my core beliefs which are liberal. And MY influence on my son is stronger and more realistic than some invisible republican mind control that will somehow overtake him if he attends. This is our 3rd Fourth of July in our little conservative town, no one has changed my son's beliefs. My son & I both went and saw the Viet Nam traveling Memorial wall when it was here in my religious conservative town. Didn't change either of our minds or feelings in regards to war. And that is because, as a parent, my part in raising my son has taken root, isn't shakey, and isn't easily changed or altered by outside influences. My child isn't up for easy grabs by anyone claiming that if he doesn't believe as they do, then he isn't American "enough".
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Post by bubblyandblue on Jun 30, 2011 15:43:18 GMT -5
You will not see me edit it out - is is directed at Palm - he asked for it and he got it. No retraction - sometimes the use a language can be rough - so sorry no retraction - unless Palm puts his apology out.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 30, 2011 15:44:53 GMT -5
Well I guess Palm is not patriotic. He prefers to divide this country when we are ready to celebrate our nation - our coming together as a people to fight tyranny. Palm tries to divide when he knows that we will fail if divided. Palm, you are a coward to put down such a crass piece of crap - "And we don't want you at OUR parade anyway-- because as it turns out, it is OUR parade. Not yours." DELETED COMMENT - NAME CALLINGSometimes we bristle most at the introduction of the truth.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Jun 30, 2011 15:45:25 GMT -5
My minor pet peeve? The holiday is "Independence Day" and not "The Fourth of July" ... but, then again, I'm pretty independent about these sorts of things.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 30, 2011 15:46:57 GMT -5
You will not see me edit it out - is is directed at Palm - he asked for it and he got it. No retraction - sometimes the use a language can be rough - so sorry no retraction - unless Palm puts his apology out. I only re-worded the article on the Harvard study which reads as follows:
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 30, 2011 15:47:36 GMT -5
that's some impressive fluff you found there. the likelihood someone leans (D) or (R) is impacted by the number of rainy days in someone's childhood? love the video though. here's another one in the same spirit.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 30, 2011 15:47:50 GMT -5
My minor pet peeve? The holiday is "Independence Day" and not "The Fourth of July" ... but, then again, I'm pretty independent about these sorts of things. Interchangeable to me. I'll stick with Independence Day from here on out, though- I prefer it.
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Post by bubblyandblue on Jun 30, 2011 15:47:54 GMT -5
Some times we bristle when it's required -
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Jun 30, 2011 15:47:55 GMT -5
You will not see me edit it out - is is directed at Palm - he asked for it and he got it. No retraction - sometimes the use a language can be rough - so sorry no retraction - unless Palm puts his apology out. Following the direct instructions of a Moderator to remove that which is a COC violation is not optional.
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Post by steff on Jun 30, 2011 15:48:01 GMT -5
As an American, which as much as it makes you sick to your stomach, a Liberal is JUST AS MUCH an American as a conservative, I don't have to pick your way or the highway. I can attend a 4th of July parade to enjoy the community, the people, the coming together WITHOUT the political lines drawn in the sand. As an American, I can sit and enjoy the fireworks display with my family WITHOUT having to put a political spin or twist to every single action or breath taken. I can enjoy the holiday with my family at home or in town at the parade or choose to do nothing at all. And neither you nor any other person can tell me I can't enjoy it for my own reasons. There's nothing written anywhere that says "to celebrate the 4th of July, you MUST be Republican or else".
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Post by bubblyandblue on Jun 30, 2011 15:55:06 GMT -5
What part would you like deleted - which part. Palm which part do you want deleted - it's your parade
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 30, 2011 15:55:12 GMT -5
Well, actually steff- as long as you mean liberal in the classical sense, you're correct. However, the Constitution- which IS the Law of the Land and DOES carry the force of law- limits government. The accurate interpretation and implementation of the law tends to support conservatives and frustrates liberals. For the most part, and this is just historical fact, the Constitution has been a road block, speed bump, obstacle- call it what you will- to liberals doing everything they want to do.
I could list- virtually without end- liberal after liberal after liberal who have expressed consternation over the above facts. What do liberals fear most that real conservatives would welcome? A return to Constitutional governance. It's really that simple.
Politicians like Ron Paul scare the crap out of liberals-- and a good many Republicans are liberals.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 30, 2011 15:56:54 GMT -5
I think we have a misunderstanding among or liberals here. As I read the OP it is nothing more than the resulkts of what the 4th of July celebrations do to people. If that is what it says, why are the liberals so uptight? Maybe they don't like the findings posted. There is something they can do about that.
But complaining about something they have complete control over is hardly a productive exercise.
Way to go paul. Way to go.
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Post by steff on Jun 30, 2011 15:57:47 GMT -5
Nice try to make the conversation about the Constitution, but let's get back to the topic at hand.... the 4th of July being ONLY for Republicans and not for AMERICANS. Neither you nor anyone else has the right to tell me, an American, that I cannot attend a 4th of July celebration. You also cannot tell me why I choose to celebrate or how I choose to celebrate or even if I choose not to do anything.
it's an AMERICAN holiday. and that's doesn't change because you want it to.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 30, 2011 15:58:58 GMT -5
The TEA Party- which rose up against big government is lampooned, mocked, and labeled "extreme" for doing nothing more than espousing the founding prinicples. The TEA Party- which is so named for the protests of the stamp act that preceded the Declaration of Independence that we celebrate on Independence Day- seeks to revive the knowledge of that document, and promote the principles. The left slanders the movement, laughs at it, HATES it. Because they hate everything the TEA Party movement stands for. And you want to come here and pretend to love it for a day? Be my guest. Come out to the parade. SAY you love the Declaration all you want. But I'm not personally buying it. What you DO speaks so loudly, what you SAY, I cannot hear...
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Post by steff on Jun 30, 2011 15:59:43 GMT -5
Interesting choice of words there. So raising MY child in line with MY beliefs is brainwashing? And here I thought the whole idea was to raise our children the way we wanted to, without an outside source telling us what we can or cannot teach them.
Can't wait to use that gem on a religious thread....thanks ;D
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 30, 2011 16:00:24 GMT -5
You will not see me edit it out - is is directed at Palm - he asked for it and he got it. No retraction - sometimes the use a language can be rough - so sorry no retraction - unless Palm puts his apology out. bubbly, when a moderator tells you to do something, because it's in clear violation of the CoC, i expect you to do it.. you may have a day's vacation.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 30, 2011 16:00:53 GMT -5
Nice try to make the conversation about the Constitution, but let's get back to the topic at hand.... the 4th of July being ONLY for Republicans and not for AMERICANS. Neither you nor anyone else has the right to tell me, an American, that I cannot attend a 4th of July celebration. You also cannot tell me why I choose to celebrate or how I choose to celebrate or even if I choose not to do anything. it's an AMERICAN holiday. and that's doesn't change because you want it to. And this is AMERICA. And that's not going to CHANGE because you HOPE it will... What the TEA Party movement has shown is that the REAL America is alive and well, and not keen on being fundamentally transformed...
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Post by steff on Jun 30, 2011 16:03:28 GMT -5
Gee, when we go to the 4th parade, we chat about the bbq later, gardens, cool stuff in the parade, the fun the kids are having, and the fireworks later. I've never been given a Declaration or Constitution quiz or debate with the folks I was sitting next to.
Guess I don't need to make every breath, every action, every thought a political "are you my enemy" game.
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