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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 25, 2011 9:57:56 GMT -5
For the purposes of this post, you could almost substitute liberal with "populist"-- almost. It's more accurately liberal because it is their DNA source code. It is the programming behind their every thought, and instinct. I'm not sure there's a word for it- maybe we could invent one? The definition is a combination of elitism and envy that motivates liberals. It explains their hatred for the west, for the American way of life, for Israel, and perhaps even for God Himself. If you can wrap your head around the idea of waking up every day and knowing in your heart of hearts that you are intellectually, even spiritually superior than everyone else then you have the beginnings of the liberal mindset. Now imagine that in spite of the fact that you have a superior sense of justice, a finer appreciation of art and music, a better sense of humor, and a superior idea for a world order, but to your continued sense of disbelief and dismay a vulgar band of savages is running the world. The world, through what must be some cosmic mistake by an obviously flawed God, has put in the drivers seat, of all people businessmen-- traders, merchants, the dreaded speculators, grocers, shop owners, all the people that seem in your eyes to be less than you and your inflated view of yourself...and you'd have it. This isn't the definitive volume on liberal thought, and what animates them-- but it is the best explanation in the least amount of time (it is concise) that I've ever read. We talked about it many moons ago on YM when I first read it in the spring of 2002-- but it is shockingly relevant even today. I don't even like most of what David Brooks writes. I'm hardly a fan of The Weekly Standard-- I credit them with giving us both Bush, and McCain and for needlessly giving the Democrats the Delaware Senate seat because the candidate precisely upset the very moral order Mr. Brooks says it is the left that fears. However, in this article David Brooks NAILS it. It will help you, if you are a right-thinking person, to gain a better understanding of who the opposition is, and if it doesn't make it clear that liberals can never be reasoned with or gotten along with-- I don't know what will. There is, to my way of thinking, no logical kryptonite to the rabid, irrational emotionalism that drives the left. I give you: Among The Bourgeoisophobes... www.weeklystandard.com/print/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/102gwtnf.aspThe article is quite long, and goes on for several pages with one brilliant observation after another that really sums it up well. Another great article that helps explain why Republicans may not be the answer some people think they are to the problem-- is America's Ruling Class which you can look up; and the book The Roots of Obama's Rage by Dinesh d'Souza
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Post by workpublic on May 25, 2011 10:17:38 GMT -5
I believe the term you are looking for is "smug". www.hybridcars.com/hybrid-drivers/prius-popularity-vanity.htmlWhat’s the number one reason for the success of the Toyota Prius? According to a new survey by CNW Marketing Research in Bandon, Ore., owners said, “It makes a statement about me.”thelostjacket.com/branding/era-smugSmug is out of vogue in marketing. The era/image of the cool product manager has been replaced by the workmanlike visage of a community manager You can't demean, supplant or bash those who don't ascribe to your views. (Well you can technically, but you won't get any work or respect.)
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Post by txbo on May 25, 2011 11:57:01 GMT -5
This is rich Paul; you even outdid your normal self. Now consider all the liberal trades you listed and add the conservative fiscal trade and you have a truly evil person or just a person that cannot be controlled by anyone. We all know one must conform and be a willing servant. All independent thinkers must be brainwashed into conformity.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 11:59:51 GMT -5
Interesting.. and they even hate "lowly" people like cab drivers (me) that survive independently off the existing system of legitimate collection of other people's money in trade for service, even though we don't make the big bucks---- unless, of course, we are foreign or liberal, then they love us. Strange mind-set. That's all I can relate to because I will never BE rich, but I sure can support the rich, because one way or the other rich people have paid my way my whole working life because they need the services I have offered. It's not that difficult to see that the money rolls down hill if people go out and hustle for it. I don't think liberals really have an issue with big money, they just would prefer the gov't take the money from the rich guy, set up that $50 cab ride to the airport in a fair and just way rather than the rich guy just call the cabbie on their cell phone and do it themselves. I mean, the stinky guy with the smoking bomb cab that reeks of garlic and doesn't speak English is just as deserving of cash as the clean girl with a sparkly cab that shows up on time and ready to roll month after month, year after year, right?
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Post by txbo on May 25, 2011 12:11:40 GMT -5
You got it wrong krickitt; I only hate the cab drivers that try to rip me off.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on May 25, 2011 12:15:07 GMT -5
Interesting.. and they even hate "lowly" people like cab drivers (me) that survive independently
They even have scorn and rancor for successful, intelligent and powerful women who have made it without govt intervention and quotas.
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Post by Angel! on May 25, 2011 12:17:27 GMT -5
If you can wrap your head around the idea of waking up every day and knowing in your heart of hearts that you are intellectually, even spiritually superior than everyone else then you have the beginnings of the PBP mindset. Fixed! I didn't read the entire thing because frankly it just seems to be more of PBP's spewing that he knows how liberal's think, when he has proven time & again he hasn't a clue.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on May 25, 2011 12:22:35 GMT -5
I didn't read the entire thing because frankly it just seems to be more of PBP's spewing that he knows how liberal's think, when he has proven time & again he hasn't a clue.
Actually PBP can get a bit sanctimonious. However, the hallmark of elitist liberals is the air of superiority they have, or think they have. They of course, are much better educated, more worldly, dislike of plebian interests and hobbies, look down on those who practice their religion, etc., etc.
The initial post is pretty much on target, PBP's pontificating aside.
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Post by Opti on May 25, 2011 12:22:53 GMT -5
If you can wrap your head around the idea of waking up every day and knowing in your heart of hearts that you are intellectually, even spiritually superior than everyone else then you have the beginnings of the PBP mindset. Fixed! I didn't read the entire thing because frankly it just seems to be more of PBP's spewing that he knows how liberal's think, when he has proven time & again he hasn't a clue. Most of the time reading posts on this board is like coming to false beliefs central. Its pretty pathetic Krickitt is choosing to believe liberal's hate cab drivers and SF choosing to believe its independent women. I am disappointed Krickitt and SF choose to believe this nonsense but I don't hate them.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on May 25, 2011 12:24:23 GMT -5
Its pretty pathetic Krickitt is choosing to believe liberal's hate cab drivers and SF choosing to believe its independent women.
The last election, with powerful and successful women running as republicans illustrates my point. I am just pointing this out.
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Post by Opti on May 25, 2011 12:28:01 GMT -5
Actually PBP can get a bit sanctimonious. However, the hallmark of elitist liberals conservatives is the air of superiority they have, or think they have.
You guys are funny. Why do you care so much about what other people think?
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Post by shelby on May 25, 2011 12:28:54 GMT -5
Its pretty pathetic Krickitt is choosing to believe liberal's hate cab drivers and SF choosing to believe its independent women.The last election, with powerful and successful women running as republicans illustrates my point. I am just pointing this out. Could it possibly be they did not like their politics? Or was it just that they are female, I could say the same rediculous statement about you not liking black people for not voting for Obama..but that would be rediculous.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 25, 2011 12:29:41 GMT -5
This is rich Paul; you even outdid your normal self. Now consider all the liberal trades you listed and add the conservative fiscal trade and you have a truly evil person or just a person that cannot be controlled by anyone. We all know one must conform and be a willing servant. All independent thinkers must be brainwashed into conformity. You mean like the "consensus" around anthropogenic global warming, er, um, I mean..."climate change"... I know of no movement that employs the "everybody else thinks so" strategy like the far left.
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Post by Opti on May 25, 2011 12:33:02 GMT -5
Its pretty pathetic Krickitt is choosing to believe liberal's hate cab drivers and SF choosing to believe its independent women.The last election, with powerful and successful women running as republicans illustrates my point. I am just pointing this out. Its like the race card SF. We don't like Palin because of her views and policies. Has nothing to do with whether she's successful, good looking, etc. I liked Ann Richards and other female politicians. Palin not at all.
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Post by txbo on May 25, 2011 12:33:34 GMT -5
"Lowly" people like cab drivers (me)”, “I will never BE rich”, “rich people have paid my way my whole working life”, “the money rolls down hill”. Consider yourself a true republican servant you has graduated with honors from the establishment brainwashing school.
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Post by Angel! on May 25, 2011 12:35:06 GMT -5
However, the hallmark of elitist liberals is the air of superiority they have, or think they have. They of course, are much better educated, more worldly, dislike of plebian interests and hobbies, look down on those who practice their religion, etc., etc. I disagree. People on both sides can act elitist or assume they are better educated, etc. It is people's inability to actually be able to look at themselves or others without prejudice or bias that leads to these ridiculous assumptions. It is much harder to see someone's ridiculous statements when you agree with their basic premise, which is why everyone always accuses the other side of being X or acting Y. There are liberals & conservatives on this board that act like pompous asses. These behavior descriptions in no way apply to just one side of the fence.
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Post by shelby on May 25, 2011 12:37:11 GMT -5
OK the whole liberals hate poor people makes no sense to me. Seems to me thay are the ones fighting for the middle working class the hardest and republicans are the ones treating the rich like a protected class (as if they need more protection). My blanket statement but seems to be the running theme I have seen and heard.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on May 25, 2011 12:39:40 GMT -5
paragraph 1: paragraph 2: Wow, So liberals are somehow populist and elitist. Well at least the contradiction was in the next paragraph; I've seen contradictions in the same sentence, so you did good for a Conservative. Also see mkitty's corollary (in a thread, the odds of a Conservative contradicting himself or another Conservative approaches 1) Also it's part whatever of my "have your cake OR eat it" series. Are we populist or elitist? Pick one and only one. Yeah, I'm more of a northeast sort of person. That should be "West," not "west." Could someone please tell me that device that lets Conservatives know what liberals' inner thoughts are? Oh wait, it's the Azzhatatron 2000. You mean the same God who thought the world is flat? "And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth" (Revelations 7:1) www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rev&c=7A sphere doesn't have corners, BTW. Or the creator of the universe who couldn't defeat an army because it had iron chariots? (Judges 1:19) "The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had iron chariots." Sounds flawed to me. Right, because a bunch of people who contradict themselves often, argue fallaciously, endlessly repeat lies and delusions, and think they know our innermost thoughts are the "reasonable" ones. Or how about ... AROUND 1776 ... "All men are created equal"? Darn our BOURGEOISOPHOBIC founding fathers!!!1! Didn't a certain person in the Bible overturn the tables of the money changers? Darn that BOURGEOISOPHOBIC Jesus!!!!1! Oh, I forgot, the Conservatives' Bible is just some verses against homosexuals, and the Ten Commandments (to be displayed at courthouses but not followed) And it's not a book, but a blanket to wrap themselves in. You mean smug as in anti-intellectual, bleacher-warming, malcontent independents who are just as arrogant towards learned people as elitists supposedly are over unlearned people? That kind of smug?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 25, 2011 12:40:08 GMT -5
If you can wrap your head around the idea of waking up every day and knowing in your heart of hearts that you are intellectually, even spiritually superior than everyone else then you have the beginnings of the PBP mindset. Fixed! I didn't read the entire thing because frankly it just seems to be more of PBP's spewing that he knows how liberal's think, when he has proven time & again he hasn't a clue. I didn't used to have a clue. The 2002 article I posted was the first time I ever gave how liberals think any thought at all. I figured-- incorrectly, as it turns out-- that liberals and conservatives wanted the SAME things-- a free, prosperous nation at peace. I figured the argument was over HOW to get what we all wanted, not over WHAT we wanted. I was wrong. The argument IS over WHAT we want. I figured liberals, wanting the same things conservatives wanted, just had a different way of going about it. I thought, incorrectly, that liberals could be persuaded by facts and logic (HA! What a joke that turned out to be). I thought that if they coud be shown how liberal idea after liberal idea had failed-- they could be persuaded (and I think the rank and file CAN still be persuaded this way). However, once you understand that the issue really is a difference over what we both want-- once you understand that conservatives start with the notion that we basically like what we have and would like to make it better, and fix the things we've done wrong, and get back on track where we've gone off-- and that liberals fundamentally dislike America, see us as a problem in the world, and view the way to fix things as fundamentally changing this country-- then you can begin to grasp what the argument is really about. So, once I figured that out-- the next obvious question is, "Why?" Why on Earth do liberals think what they think? What drives them? How is it that a person can't look, for example, at the middle east and conclude that Israel is the obvious model for a true "Arab Spring"? How could you miss the fact that one quarter of one percent of all Arabs are free-- and they're all Israeli citizens? How could you see the lone free and prosperous democracy as the problem? Perfect? No. And it's the same with the US. Our little experiment has resulted in what the book title calls "The 5,000 Year Leap". So, how does a person look at that and either not see it, or see it and find it "bad"?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 25, 2011 12:47:56 GMT -5
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Paul, what part about "no personal attacks" from the CoC do you not understand??
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Post by Angel! on May 25, 2011 12:51:16 GMT -5
I thought, incorrectly, that liberals could be persuaded by facts and logic (HA! What a joke that turned out to be). I thought that if they coud be shown how liberal idea after liberal idea had failed-- they could be persuaded (and I think the rank and file CAN still be persuaded this way). OMG! Once again your absolute arrogance comes through. Liberals are all sooo stupid & can't look at facts or use logic. Your inability to be able to see the other-side & assume everyone who doesn't agree with you is a moron is beyond words. Look at your words, your inability to even comprehend that liberals do look at facts & have logic. Now, I will grant you this is a very normal human behavior, but you can't be surprised when liberals use these exact same descriptions to describe conservatives. Both sides have people as arrogant & unable to see the world without bias as you. Your posts doesn't describe any sort of liberal mindset, but rather a human mindset that explains why most people are idiots.
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Post by shelby on May 25, 2011 12:54:50 GMT -5
"OMG! Once again your absolute arrogance comes through. Liberals are all sooo stupid & can't look at facts or use logic."
You forgot poor and frumpy, but hate poor people so hate themselves and probably on welfare and ugly too.
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Post by txbo on May 25, 2011 12:56:04 GMT -5
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Post by Angel! on May 25, 2011 13:19:00 GMT -5
"OMG! Once again your absolute arrogance comes through. Liberals are all sooo stupid & can't look at facts or use logic." You forgot poor and frumpy, but hate poor people so hate themselves and probably on welfare and ugly too. Well, we all know if you vote liberal it was either because you were indoctrinated or tricked. No person with the ability to actually look at facts or think for themselves would ever vote liberal.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 13:25:36 GMT -5
ME, brainwashed, txbo?? Not hardly. If I was brainwashed I would have raised my kids on welfare instead of working 80 hour weeks in a cab. Brainwashed is believing you don't have what it takes to make it on your own and other people should therefore take care of you.
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Post by ed1066 on May 25, 2011 13:28:02 GMT -5
You mean Jeff Immelt, the boys at Goldman Sachs and the filthy rich union bosses? Those "working class"? Tell me, assuming you are working or middle class, what have Obama and the Dems done to "fight" for you, besides his ONE good decision to extend the Bush tax cuts?
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Post by Angel! on May 25, 2011 13:35:10 GMT -5
You mean Jeff Immelt, the boys at Goldman Sachs and the filthy rich union bosses? Those "working class"? Tell me, assuming you are working or middle class, what have Obama and the Dems done to "fight" for you, besides his ONE good decision to extend the Bush tax cuts? healthcare reform
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Post by ed1066 on May 25, 2011 13:42:59 GMT -5
You mean Jeff Immelt, the boys at Goldman Sachs and the filthy rich union bosses? Those "working class"? Tell me, assuming you are working or middle class, what have Obama and the Dems done to "fight" for you, besides his ONE good decision to extend the Bush tax cuts? healthcare reform So how has that benefitted you?
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Post by Opti on May 25, 2011 13:52:15 GMT -5
"However, once you understand that the issue really is a difference over what we both want-- once you understand that conservatives start with the notion that we basically like what we have and would like to make it better, and fix the things we've done wrong, and get back on track where we've gone off-- "
That's my view about most Americans, but then I don't regularly listen to pundits on either side of the aisle or even if the middle. I used to like to watch Jon Stewart because even if it was bad he helped me laugh at it.
and that liberals fundamentally dislike America, see us as a problem in the world, and view the way to fix things as fundamentally changing this country-- then you can begin to grasp what the argument is really about."
I read this and I feel like you've spent so much time with the spin you can't see things accurately any more. It is true that liberals are more likely than conservatives to feel that America is not the best place on Earth and if it is that saying so over and over does not win us allies and friends. It is the pompous country effect to act if America is the best thing since sliced bread and we know what's best for the rest of the world. Some conservatives appear to hate this behavior if it is a person directing it at them but feel others don't properly love America if they don't want to go all arrogant American on other nations and people. Doesn't make sense to me.
I don't know what your argument is about. People want different things which is a benefit of diversity. Some prefer healthcare is paid for by their employer or themselves and others wish for a scenario more like Canada or Europe. Since I prefer to live like its 2011 not 1776, I don't see either view is more or less American but I expect you do.
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