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Post by SweetVirginia on May 22, 2011 23:57:43 GMT -5
desi, that is a far different thing than I read. What I read was a response to this: Because they are still in the "death to Israel" mode. They want it ALL. They don't want borders. Thye wany Israel GONE. I didn't read any qualifiers. The entire quote is one thought, and the post I read said straight out that "some" Israelis and "even some exangelicals" want the same thing for the Palestinians.I still haven't seen anything to support that claim.. henry, you seem to have changed my quote. I did not say the Palestinians, I said Palestinian state.
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Post by henryclay on May 23, 2011 0:39:32 GMT -5
I did not say the Palestinians, I said Palestinian state. And so you did, Virginia, which makes the quandry e\ven more puzzling. Where in the world do you suppose those Israelis and evangelicals have in mind for millions of Palestinians to go, if anywhere, , , , unless it is to meet the same fate those Palestinians have in mind for Israel, which is predominantly dead? And as written, your post infers you think the "some" Israels and "some" evangelicals want the Palestinians dead. I just asked whehter you had any source for such an accusation. Until now, even with the help given you, I haven't seen any. Which brings up another point, one that has nothing to do with you other than being precise, and deserves its own post.
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Post by SweetVirginia on May 23, 2011 0:49:00 GMT -5
I did not say the Palestinians, I said Palestinian state. And so you did, Virginia, which makes the quandry e\ven more puzzling. Where in the world do you suppose those Israelis and evangelicals have in mind for millions of Palestinians to go, if anywhere, , , , unless it is to meet the same fate those Palestinians have in mind for Israel, which is predominantly dead? And as written, your post infers you think the "some" Israels and "some" evangelicals want the Palestinians dead. I just asked whehter you had any source for such an accusation. Until now, even with the help given you, I haven't seen any. Which brings up another point, one that has nothing to do with you other than being precise, and deserves its own post. I did not in any way say or imply that Israelis or evangelicals want the Palestinians dead. Go back and read my first post again. I said there are some Israelis and even some evangelicals who would not want a Palestinian STATE! How in the world does that translate to them wanting Palestinians dead? ? I posted a link with Pat Robertson (evangelical leader) saying that he does not support a Palestinian state. Bill provided a link showing that 51% of Israelis do not support a Palestinian state. My claim has been substantiated. Why cant you just accept that and move on?
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Post by SweetVirginia on May 23, 2011 0:54:52 GMT -5
I also explained where the Israelis and evangelicals would have in mind for the Palestinians to go. I said they would want Palestinians to relocate to Arab countries, such as Jordan.
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Post by henryclay on May 23, 2011 1:04:18 GMT -5
Obama in Commander in Chief of all our military forces. As such his words have to be acted on promptly, smartly, and without question. I am getting the idea through my emails, including military contacts, that the armed services may be going in circles chasing themselves over the very IM-precise nature of Obama's messages.
As I understand things, this foul-up over what he said on May 19th about Israel and the 1967 borders being so misunderstood that he had to do it all over again 5 days later is just more burnt candle wax. It seems he can't make two directives in a row that are clear and concise.
In case anybody wonders, misunderstood messages are not the fault of the recipient. Misunderstood messages are the responsibilty of the sender. Messages with any meaning at all should leave no doubt whatsoever as to their precise meaning. Can anyone imagine what the results would be if he issued a combat directive that within 5 days he had to do it all over again because his field commanders misunderstood the directive? Wars have been started, fought, won and lost over less.
No wonder we get so many mixed messages from different perspectives on what is going on in Washington. The man needs more than a teleprompter. He needs to take a basic grammar school course in communicating with people.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 1:16:54 GMT -5
I also explained where the Israelis and evangelicals would have in mind for the Palestinians to go. I said they would want Palestinians to relocate to Arab countries, such as Jordan. Sweet me thinks you are now running into what is called the "Henry two step " , he says to me , " No that's not what she was discussing", which you were, the wanting/desire by some Israelis , joined by Evangelist, the West Bank for Israel. Judea, Samaria..the dispersal of The Palastinians to "other lands," he says he never heard of that, how can you make such a assertion, or something along those lines. I posted a link to those assertions, many more by the way if he didn't like that one, then he comes back and said "no, no , we/she are discussing something else, but then he comes back with the same question to you, see above. "Henry two step" The liknk is right here. antiwar.com/hacohen/?articleid=11754 All spelled out, Judea, Samaria, many/most Palastinians disbursed to other lands, nothing about dead..just disbursed..those left with all the rights of visitors because they would have the citizenship of Jordan, and if in time the Israeli Government felt , they, Palastinians left in the west bank for what ever reason , needed to go, then as basiclly visitors to the land, all the rights they had, they could be easily disbursed to.......foreign lands. All spelled out, wrapped nicely with a nice bow and ribbon. Problem solved. Didn't see it mentioned there , linked article, but possible keep some as a tourist attraction in a few typical Arab Villages, with a mosque, market place, as Token Arabs..not Palastinians, there would be none of those left. On this point I am just letting my mind wonder, as I said, that wasn't exactly mentioned but sounds like a plan that was in the works that Adolf had proposed, where many of their items, everryday ones, had been collected, everything from the clothes they wore , to the Torahs of the Synagogues to the cooking impliments, utensils, pots, pans, furniture, of the vanished households. He was going to have a National Museum, dedicated to a vanished people, the Jews of Europe. Here it could be a living museum, dedicated to a lost people too, called Palastinians.
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Post by SweetVirginia on May 23, 2011 1:23:08 GMT -5
Yes dezi, henry claims that I implied that some Israelis and some evangelicals want the Palestinians dead. I never said that nor did I imply it. I CLEARLY said that some would want no Palestinian state. He then asked me to explain in more detail and I did. I said that some Israelis and some evangelicals would want Palestinians to relocate to Arab nations (eg Jordan) He also asked me if I had anything to substantiate my claim. Then you provided a link supporting my claim, as did bill, as did I. I am not sure what henry is arguing here.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 1:24:45 GMT -5
Obama in Commander in Chief of all our military forces. As such his words have to be acted on promptly, smartly, and without question. I am getting the idea through my emails, including military contacts, that the armed services may be going in circles chasing themselves over the very IM-precise nature of Obama's messages. As I understand things, this foul-up over what he said on May 19th about Israel and the 1967 borders being so misunderstood that he had to do it all over again 5 days later is just more burnt candle wax. It seems he can't make two directives in a row that are clear and concise. In case anybody wonders, misunderstood messages are not the fault of the recipient. Misunderstood messages are the responsibilty of the sender. Messages with any meaning at all should leave no doubt whatsoever as to their precise meaning. Can anyone imagine what the results would be if he issued a combat directive that within 5 days he had to do it all over again because his field commanders misunderstood the directive? Wars have been started, fought, won and lost over less. No wonder we get so many mixed messages from different perspectives on what is going on in Washington. The man needs more than a teleprompter. He needs to take a basic grammar school course in communicating with people. Henry, lets face it, your not interested in this issue, what you are interested in is trolling, which Trolls love to do, which seems to be your specialty. Keep on and trolling, looked at the watch , time for some zzzzz's now. Ta, Ta
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 1:31:43 GMT -5
Yes dezi, henry claims that I implied that some Israelis and some evangelicals want the Palestinians dead. I never said that nor did I imply it. I CLEARLY said that some would want no Palestinian state. He then asked me to explain in more detail and I did. I said that some Israelis and some evangelicals would want Palestinians to relocate to Arab nations (eg Jordan) He also asked me if I had anything to substantiate my claim. Then you provided a link supporting my claim, as did bill, as did I. I am not sure what henry is arguing here. Sweet it's time for me, some zzzz's, possible you too but your a big girl, make your own decision, but Henry does the two step very well. It's a knack of Trolls and those who like to , which is what he really enjoys, gets others to play along with.... I understood what you were suggesting, you possible not 100% knowing what you heard was true, the ultras right the evangelist. I knew it was true thats why I posted the link, one of many..so you were correct. Henry, doing the Troll two step, a little confusion, some salt, pepper, onions, carrots, celery diced, he has a pot already to go. Ya got to know Henry, now you know for the next time. Just think , see the Nik ," Henry", think Troll and and then act accordingly. nite PS, back for a moment..just for not giving up, hanging in there as you did so well, and not losing your cool with the Troll, heres a award for you , you earned it. ;D
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Post by henryclay on May 23, 2011 1:37:27 GMT -5
Maybe it's just a lack of communication skills. We DO want what we post to be understood the way we put it in the posts, don't we? We don't want to take a reference and post a follow up and have the follow up so poorly worded that it can be misunderstood, DO WE?
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 1:40:04 GMT -5
Maybe it's just a lack of communication skills. We DO want what we post to be understood the way we put it in the posts, don't we? We don't want to take a reference and post a follow up and have the follow up so poorly worded that it can be misunderstood, DO WE?
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Post by henryclay on May 23, 2011 1:49:51 GMT -5
Wanna come back two or three more times and say goodnight all over again? However many times it takes, this will still be here.
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Post by billisonboard on May 23, 2011 9:29:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 13:52:24 GMT -5
Makes note to myself... it is okay to call posters trolls.............
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 23, 2011 18:22:41 GMT -5
Quite possibly why President Obama's mediation attempts aren't doing so well.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 18:24:18 GMT -5
Little box, Virgil...
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 23, 2011 18:26:17 GMT -5
Seems fine to me. Looks like the image runs afoul of your Internet filter, krick.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 19:31:08 GMT -5
Nah, I see it now.
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Post by SweetVirginia on May 23, 2011 21:28:09 GMT -5
Maybe it's just a lack of communication skills. We DO want what we post to be understood the way we put it in the posts, don't we? We don't want to take a reference and post a follow up and have the follow up so poorly worded that it can be misunderstood, DO WE? Nothing about my original post was unclear or poorly worded henry. I was quite clear in my original post and in my follow up posts.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2011 11:50:41 GMT -5
I Netanyahu.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 24, 2011 12:16:35 GMT -5
I Netanyahu. Me thinks your to easy...you seem to so many , most by just hearing one sound byte. One of those fests just might turn on you and bite you in the butt methinks.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2011 12:22:52 GMT -5
Actually, Dezi, I have watched hours and hours of Netanyahu. Have you?
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Post by henryclay on May 24, 2011 12:32:05 GMT -5
I doubt if he has wached very much of Netanyahu, but it's obvious he has watched hours and hours of you, krickitt. The last several days has demonstrated a fetish like effort to single your posts out for some unrelated comment, never to include a compliment. I applaud your grace in refusing to respond in kind. To my eye you are being both stalked and heckled.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2011 12:35:25 GMT -5
As are you, Henry. Not sure why Dez is getting this way. But, moving on now....
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Post by deziloooooo on May 24, 2011 13:13:20 GMT -5
Actually, Dezi, I have watched hours and hours of Netanyahu. Have you? Actually Krickett, to watch hours and hours of a PM of a foreign governments yada, yada, why would I, so the answer is no. However I have read his biography. I know who his late brother was,[ Do you Krickett? It has influenced him greatly] and the tragic circumstances of his death, only casualty of the Entebbe raid, happened just as it was over, and I have read 'Bibi's" comments when he has given interviews, many, on US media programs as well the many written interviews. So I have a good feeling of where he is coming from, his ideas and actually read closely his latest suggestions and offers to Abba's, a 40% of complete control of the West Bank , and over site on the rest for a while, to work toward a final solution of the problem. Interesting, makes some sense, but never would happen because of the politics that he other side would have selling it to their constituents.{Are you familiar with that offer?} I also understand the Israeli politics better then you do Krickett, [Trust me on this one too] so understand the great pressure he , Natanahju , is under so I do understand why he makes certain decisions that possible he would rather not do, understanding the fall out, but because of the politics involved, feels he has no choice. The difference between us is the emotions that I try to keep out of my ideas and thoughts . You keep saying how much you love , respect the Jews and I as a Jew say thank you, but would ask you to try and keep a open mind, that just because some might disagree with his ideas of how to handle the Palestinian /Israeli issue does not mean they are throwing Israel under the bus, think your post, and do support the right and necessity of support of the State as Jewish State, very important there, not to be swept away. It's security has to be the most important point of any negotiations. However , as even Natanaju said today to Congress, they will not return to the borders of "67", indefensible he says , but Israel will be generous to the Palastinians regarding their State..so what is so wrong with letting us see how generous they will be. Yet you and some others, all your interested in is posting emotional braying to the skies of despair and doom and ridicule to any who don't agree 110% with the outrage first presented by Bibi and his supporters You and a few refuse to give any listen to those , including so many Israeli's , who are saying the status quo is not working, there are great dangers on the horizon that may overwhelm the State, lets see what can be worked out, and do it in a serious mode of negotiation. Your "my way or the highway " ideas, just are not helpful, correct or intelligent , in fact are wrong and also does not compute. Just more braying to the wind. PS : Regarding the post of stalking...you post a lot Krickett, as i do, and where I expect responses, I guess you don't , just agreements and Karmas and on your ideas , even a little pat on the butt, nonsexual by the way, just a atta girl type of pat, that is just not going to happen. Sorry. However , I have as you know, when in agreement, you have received those awards of agreement and congrats from me, on more then one occasion.
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