Obama Just Called for Israel to Pull Back to 1967

[deziloooooo]

Netanyahu is not my leader, he is the leader of another State and if he wants what he wants from our/my country,

Sorta like how Obama wants Israel to accept the 1967 borders?

and it seems he does, then in my opinion, to diss my President publicly, to embarrass him and his ideas

Just like Obama did when he unilaterally decided that the concessions Israel must make prior to any negotiations with an entitt that does not even recognize its right to exist?

, publickly, to publicly get involved in our electoral process, he is,

By asking for clarity from Congress that America will in fact honor its past word? He already knows that Obama will not since Obama is a proven liar when it comes to Isreal. See here:

www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/disturbing_questions_about_pre.html

Of course, if Bibi is wrong for supposedly interfering with the electoral process in America, is not Obama FAR worse by interfering with Israel's national security, its peace process with its neighbor, indeed it's VERY SURVIVAL?!?!?
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Natanyahu is wrong for getting involved in our electoral process, basically the pressure of...borders are what it is all about, and there would be nothing in stone but as I said in another post.

If what is shown now in the maps of the Territory's, West bank, Arab/Palestinian towns , spotted here , there, always when a Palestinian comes out of his home he turns around and sees not a possible viable State but being surrounded by Israeli settlements, blocking him from traveling freely with in the borders of his own State, basically Ghetto's , now not populated by Jews as the areas in Europe where back in the day, but by Palestinians, that is not going to fly.
The President said a viable State, so some give here by the Israeli's is needed. Will they do it? That's the question.

As far as your same old same old , "Obama is a lier, yaa, yaa yaa..we are back to "Obama sucks because I said so" so how can I really continue here.

I missed that in my first reading and my congrats to you on your post as a good one, sorry , just the same old BS ..my error on the congrats, no real interest in posing questions and a dialogue from you, to bad, I was up for it.

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Allan West talks to Jewish Americans about Israel. 12/10

[txbo]

Achieving an agreement will require painful political concessions by both sides. While territory an issue for both parties to decide. I believe that any peace agreement between them will require mutually agreed adjustments to the lines of 1949 be to reflect current realities, and to ensure that Palestinian state is viable and contiguous.

[deziloooooo]

You have it txbo and this article I just caught from aljazeer is a "Damned if I do, damned if i don't " as far as the potus is concerned..no one likes me..no one likes any of the ideas ,,both sides are p off.

A pox on all their houses ...possible take our $3 bill per year..Israel, $2.5 Bill Egypt..and come home might be the answer.

You notice no one of size else is involved. The Russians, the Saudi's, China, ..This authors article in alJazeer, he's p too, though real suggestions of how to handle this problem

nada..not even a possible one from the hip..no one wants to handle that one.

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"President Obama is known as an eloquent and even gifted orator. Yet in the two years since his Cairo speech the difference between rhetoric and vision on the one hand, and reality and "strategic interests" on the other, has become all to clear.

So it's not surprising that few people had high hopes for his speech to the State Department today about US policy towards the Middle East and North Africa in the wake of the uprisings across the region.

The tone and cadences of the President's speech left no doubt about the different world we inhabit today versus two years ago. If you watch the speech, his voice was louder and more melodic then, his language a bit more folksy and confident.

Today it was much more reserved and humble; more of a commentator on events rather than a shaper of them. This despite the fact that the purpose of the speech was precisely to outline a new vision for America's role in the region's transitions.

The President grounded his talk in recent history, recounting the story of the Tunisian fruit vendor Mohammad Bouazzizi who lit himself on fire to protest his humiliation and lack of chance to earn a decent living.

This was clearly both to educate Americans who are coming late to the Arab revolutionary winter and spring and tell the Muslim world that he understands the "sparks" that reflect the frustration, humiliation and lack of dignity of the majority of the region's peoples. But recognising sparks and helping fuel the fire of real freedom are two very different things.

I argued in my last column that the raid that killed Osama bin Laden demonstrated President Obama's the courage to kill, but not to lead. I wish I could say I was wrong after today's speech, and it's hard not to sympathise with the enormity of the task President Obama is facing.

But his language suggests that whatever his desires for the region, he feels powerless actively to reshape the status quo, not merely in the region itself, where he rightly argues that the people need to lead the way, but here at home, where the entire national security apparatus is geared to continuing the status quo"

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West/Obama.
;D

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Good FOX special on-- Secrets of 9/11. Interesting...

[billisonboard]

May 20, 2011 21:32:19 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

West/Obama.
;D

A father noticed that his son was spending way too much time on the internet.

In an effort to motivate the boy into focusing more attention on his schoolwork, the father said to his son, "When Abe Lincoln was your age, he was studying books by the light of the fireplace."

The son replied, "Dad, when Lincoln was your age, he was The President of The United States!!!"

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Well, true. West was defending the country for 20 years while Obama was community organizing.
;D

[deziloooooo]

May 20, 2011 21:32:19 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

West/Obama.
;D

mmmm West getting chubby in the middle, where as Obama, damn I use to look like that.

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Thx for taking it in the humor it was posted in, Dez. I know you love Obama.

[billisonboard]

May 20, 2011 21:45:07 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Well, true. West was defending the country for 20 years while Obama was community organizing.
;D

And at the pinnicle of those careers, Lieutenant Colonel West was quietly allowed to retire under a cloud and Obama is organizing one very large community.

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Under a BIG cloud... he's got nearly everybody in the world mad at him... except you and Dez, maybe.

[Tennesseer]

And me.

[deziloooooo]

May 20, 2011 21:56:13 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Thx for taking it in the humor it was posted in, Dez. I know you love Obama.

Actually at times I love his flat stomach more, just wait till he adds some more years...so jealouse, and I watch myself so carefully...

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Nah, he'll always be scrawny. The men in my family are thin. My Dad looks better than ever at 78, a very YOUNG 78. It works well when you get old.. being scrawny when young, that is.

[deziloooooo]

Heres another article of interest, yes another..this story won't go away.

When I said I was upset with Natanyahu for getting involved in our politics, and some slammed me for it, crazy I am not and a lot of Obama's speech was a direct result of that interference in, and it is not the first time he has done o.

I don't have all the answers by a long shot, but for those who do keep or try to keep abreast and informed, there is some easily identified signs that are easy to pick up.
To many are getting so up tite and emotional as if we are pulling out of the Israeli camp, and there is no way in hell we can or will, unless they , Israeli's, do something really outrageous that turns the American Public off completely...
Thus when the POTUS does speak out on certain things, who ever the POTUS is, it's best to wait a bit before getting on ones high horse , let the dust settle, and sometimes, not always, but some times things come out.
I learned that in my time in the service. To get emotional on some things, can get people hurt, a bit of calm and thinking, and waiting a bit, can save a lot of hurt, and the missions can still be performed.
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Obama and Netanyahu meet amid tensions
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"There were frank tensions and high suspense on display when President Barack Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu emerged from a two-hour meeting at the White House today. And it wasn't hard to discern the latest cause of friction in relations between the two world leaders: Yesterday, Obama outlined a U.S. vision for settling the Israeli-Palestinian border dispute, prompting the Israeli prime minister to fire back that the proposal could threaten Israeli security. Immediately afterward, Netanyahu boarded a plane for his previously scheduled trip to Washington.

Obama, speaking with Netanyahu to the press after their meeting, acknowledged differences among friends with the Israeli leader, but offered reassurances on the United States' absolute commitment to Israel's security.

"Obviously there are some differences between us on precise formulations and language, and that is going to happen between friends," Obama said. "But what we are in complete accord about is that true peace can only occur if the ultimate resolution allows Israel to defend itself against threats. Israel's security remains paramount in U.S. evaluations of any prospective peace deal."
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Middle East experts in touch with the administration said the Obama White House settled upon Obama's inclusion of the far-reaching Israeli-Palestinian remarks in his "Arab Spring" address yesterday in part to outflank Netanyahu's seemingly concerted courtship of Obama's domestic political opponents in Congress. Senior White House officials and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were miffed, these sources said, that Netanyahu had solicited an invitation to address both houses of Congress next week--a move White House advisers saw as a direct overture from Netanyahu to the GOP leadership in Congress.

It's not the first time Netanyahu has come in for such criticism. During his last term as prime minister during the Bill Clinton administration, Democrats raised the charge that Netanyahu was coordinating his agenda in Washington with the GOP--and in particular, with then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

At the outset of today's remarks to the press on the meeting, Obama slyly referenced the "great honor" Netanyahu was receiving by addressing both houses of Congress.

"I know that's an honor that's reserved for those who have always shown themselves to be a great friend of the United States and is indicative of the friendship between our countries," Obama said, with an implied wink.

"I think the Obama folks were upset with Bibi's decision to speak at the joint session, they thought it was trying to box Obama in," one former congressional staffer told the Envoy on condition of anonymity. "I think that relates to everyone's memories of Bibi circa the 1990s trying to use the Republicans against Clinton. So they decided to preempt. They decided to set the stage. They were going to do a Mideast speech anyway, but they decided on the timing after Bibi decided to make an address to a joint session of Congress."



Nough said, they knew what he was doing , so they did it back....

[Deleted]

Who knows what they are up to. I just hope if Israel gets invaded and needs help it doesn't take the time it has taken in all these ENEMY nations we have our noses in. If it does Obama is toast, and so is Israel unless they pull out the big weapons. I still think if the global powers that be decide we need a good world war to restructure and kill off a lot of people, it will be over the right of one tiny Israel to exist in Muslimland.

[ameiko]

*sigh*

And I had hope for you Dezil.

Obama is a liar and the article I posted proved it: he says one thing one day and that contradicts himself the next. He either lied during the campaign or broke his promise and did a complete 180 in his Presidency. That you do not like it when people point out facts is simply not relevant. What is relevant is that Obama has shown the Israeli people that his word is worthless and therefore can not trust anything he says. Thus, Bibi went to the Senate and US Congress hoping that might be more trustworthy. If nothing else, the GOP has historically been a better friend to Israel than the Democrats.

That you decide to ignore everything else I said because of pointing out these facts is quite sad and I truly feel bad for you: you have fallen into the darkness that is the Obama spell where you think he can do no wrong and that anyone who criticizes is somehow unworthy.

The bottom line is that he is a failed president who lacks the knowledge to lead the greatest nation on Earth. Look at Egypt: despite what you said it was not "the people" who wanted Mubarak out but some of his people. Was it the majority? I honestly do not know but I do know that among the people there are the pro-Jihad and anti-Israel Muslim brotherhood as well as those who think the best way to celebrate is to gang rape a woman nearly to death.

"Tossing someone under the bus" basically means betraying someone and toss them away when they have no use even if they were loyal in the past; they did nothing to deserve this treatment. If Egypt's people wanted Mubarak out, they probably has a reason for it and he was a dictator (albeit a relevant benevolent one) over them.

By contrast, Obama has ZERO reason to mistreat a longtime US ally who has helped to bring stability to the region and, yes, DID "throw him under the bus." If Obama did not at least suspect that the people who would replace this man would be more hostile to Israel, then Obama is the fool that I and many other have accused him of being. Yet Obama betrayed two long time US allies (Egypt and Israel) by refusing to mind his own business and instead stating that Mubarak has to step down. This was not Obama's place. If he has to have spoken those words, he should have done so when a known US enemy was slaughtering their people, i.e. Iran.

And you despite your response, you completely danced around the issue of condeming Bibi for supposedly interefering in the election (how? I heard he might ask American Jews at an upcoming conference to not support Obama but has this been confirmed?) while not condeming Obama for demanding prior to the peace conference and without consulting Bibi that Isreal must go back to the indefensible 1967 borders.

Regarding the valdity of a Palestian state: it does not exist and never will. They can not survive on their own without outside help (Israel could if everyone in the Arab world would stop attacking them) and have repeatedly shown themselves to be uncivilized. Quite frankly, until they grow the heck up they should be treated as children.

Finally, you said that the status quo can not continue. I agree. Israel must stop giving concessions for empty promises that the Arab world and Palestine keep breaking. They gave up territory and did the attacks stop? NO! The Arabs were emboldened and now had areas closer to Israel from which to attack.

Quite frankly, I'm not sure what they need to do. I would suggest attack but the world is against Israel in a manner that is completely without justice. When nations like Iran and Syria can use the corrupt UN (the same entity that were in charge of the bogus inspections in Iraq that were made up of French and German nationals whose nations recieved billions in Iraqi kicks backs) to sanction Israel for human rights violations while completely ignoring the attacks by Palestinians (as well as the attempts by other nations to supply the attackers which is an act of war), there are outnumbered by evil powers.

Israel needs a friend and sadly Obama's America is not it. Obama claims he wants democracy in the Middle East yet undercuts the sole democracy in that region in favor of terrorists. This will only embolden attacks and if Israel is backed into a corner against genocidal attackers, it will unleash a nuclear holocaust on its attackers.

If this happens, it's on the heads of Obama and his Muslim brothers, as well as the defenders/voters of Obama.

[ameiko]

May 20, 2011 22:50:28 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Who knows what they are up to. I just hope if Israel gets invaded and needs help it doesn't take the time it has taken in all these ENEMY nations we have our noses in. If it does Obama is toast, and so is Israel unless they pull out the big weapons. I still think if the global powers that be decide we need a good world war to restructure and kill off a lot of people, it will be over the right of one tiny Israel to exist in Muslimland.

Isn't it funny how this little bit of land, lacking oil no less, is somehow this terrible thorn in the side of ALL Muslims and Arabs? I mean, really grow up!

I think what really makes them angry is that Israel took neglected swamp land and created a modern nation that exceeds anything beyond what any Arab nation has been ever able to achieve (without Western technical help and know how) and they realize their inferiority.

Seriously, if it wasn't for oil, the Arab world would still be deserts, tribes, and tents. I say let's:

1. Drill in America
2. Retrofit all existing gas stations to include electric charging stations and CNG pumps
3. Build nuclear reactors
4. ban all foreign oil from hostile nations
5. commit (Dr. Evil voice) ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS to creating nuclear fusion here in America. If the government could get its budget under control by killing its senseless spending (like Obamacare, welfare, high speed rail), I would GLADLY let my taxes be increased for such a project

Then we can flip off the Middle East, Venezula, etc... and let them wallow in the muck now that US dollars are now longer flowing to them. Let them kill each other off as they fight over the last remaining petrol dollars. I honestly don't care about them.

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Correct, ameiko.
As far as Netanyahu inserting himself in to our politics, IF he does.. I had to sit here is Arizona and listen to the President of MEXICO slam OUR country in front of OUR Congress while HIS citizens are invading us!!!! And he got a standing ovation!!!!! As far as I'm concerned, give me Israel over Mexico any day.

[Deleted]

It's pretty hard NOT to believe that Obama is backing known Jihadists. When I say he is stupid, the left tells me he is highly intelligent.. so what is it? Is he uninformed and ignorant, or is he completely aware of what he is doing? Can't be both.

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Gobbledegoop... is he asking for more money for Palestinians?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[txbo]

May 20, 2011 20:37:40 GMT -5 txbo said:

Achieving an agreement will require painful political concessions by both sides. While territory an issue for both parties to decide. I believe that any peace agreement between them will require mutually agreed adjustments to the lines of 1949 be to reflect current realities, and to ensure that Palestinian state is viable and contiguous.

President Bush made that statement in 2008 during a trip to Jerusalem. The 1949 lines the he referred to are the same thing as the pre 1967 borders that Obama is talking about. Oh, my god where is the effen outrage from the loony bin.

[Tennesseer]

Bush is no longer president silly txbo.

[ameiko]

US is pillaging the resources of the Middle East? Is that what you call paying 100 bucks a barrel for their oil?

"Social Justice" and "democracy"- you mean from the people who elected Hamas to power, the group that in its charter supports destruction of Israel, the genocide of the Jewish people, and Jihad?

Also, giving a few billions to Egypt is not enough? Why does he think Egypt deserves ANYTHING?!?!? Because we supported a man with other tens of billions who kept some sort of stability in that region?

Israeli crimes? You mean like sending rockets into settlements, kidnapping Israeli soldiers and holding them for ransom for the release of hundreds of your people (I guess one Israeli is equal to hundreds of Palestinians- I buy that math), blowing up buses and pizza parlors?

Seriously, this guy is either a moron or indoctrinated. Blow up the whole region: there is no hope there. God I couldn't finish listenining to him; if I met him in real life I'd slap the crap out of him.

Take my energy independence suggestions along with banning all immigration from Muslim and Arab nations. Let these broken, backwards people kill themselves off as the petrol dollars stop; they have no place in a civilized society.

[deziloooooo]

May 20, 2011 23:12:04 GMT -5 ameiko said:

*sigh*

And I had hope for you Dezil.

Obama is a liar and the article I posted proved it: he says one thing one day and that contradicts himself the next. He either lied during the campaign or broke his promise and did a complete 180 in his Presidency. That you do not like it when people point out facts is simply not relevant. What is relevant is that Obama has shown the Israeli people that his word is worthless and therefore can not trust anything he says. Thus, Bibi went to the Senate and US Congress hoping that might be more trustworthy. If nothing else, the GOP has historically been a better friend to Israel than the Democrats.

That you decide to ignore everything else I said because of pointing out these facts is quite sad and I truly feel bad for you: you have fallen into the darkness that is the Obama spell where you think he can do no wrong and that anyone who criticizes is somehow unworthy.

The bottom line is that he is a failed president who lacks the knowledge to lead the greatest nation on Earth. Look at Egypt: despite what you said it was not "the people" who wanted Mubarak out but some of his people. Was it the majority? I honestly do not know but I do know that among the people there are the pro-Jihad and anti-Israel Muslim brotherhood as well as those who think the best way to celebrate is to gang rape a woman nearly to death.

"Tossing someone under the bus" basically means betraying someone and toss them away when they have no use even if they were loyal in the past; they did nothing to deserve this treatment. If Egypt's people wanted Mubarak out, they probably has a reason for it and he was a dictator (albeit a relevant benevolent one) over them.

By contrast, Obama has ZERO reason to mistreat a longtime US ally who has helped to bring stability to the region and, yes, DID "throw him under the bus." If Obama did not at least suspect that the people who would replace this man would be more hostile to Israel, then Obama is the fool that I and many other have accused him of being. Yet Obama betrayed two long time US allies (Egypt and Israel) by refusing to mind his own business and instead stating that Mubarak has to step down. This was not Obama's place. If he has to have spoken those words, he should have done so when a known US enemy was slaughtering their people, i.e. Iran.

And you despite your response, you completely danced around the issue of condeming Bibi for supposedly interefering in the election (how? I heard he might ask American Jews at an upcoming conference to not support Obama but has this been confirmed?) while not condeming Obama for demanding prior to the peace conference and without consulting Bibi that Isreal must go back to the indefensible 1967 borders.

Regarding the valdity of a Palestian state: it does not exist and never will. They can not survive on their own without outside help (Israel could if everyone in the Arab world would stop attacking them) and have repeatedly shown themselves to be uncivilized. Quite frankly, until they grow the heck up they should be treated as children.

Finally, you said that the status quo can not continue. I agree. Israel must stop giving concessions for empty promises that the Arab world and Palestine keep breaking. They gave up territory and did the attacks stop? NO! The Arabs were emboldened and now had areas closer to Israel from which to attack.

Quite frankly, I'm not sure what they need to do. I would suggest attack but the world is against Israel in a manner that is completely without justice. When nations like Iran and Syria can use the corrupt UN (the same entity that were in charge of the bogus inspections in Iraq that were made up of French and German nationals whose nations recieved billions in Iraqi kicks backs) to sanction Israel for human rights violations while completely ignoring the attacks by Palestinians (as well as the attempts by other nations to supply the attackers which is an act of war), there are outnumbered by evil powers.

Israel needs a friend and sadly Obama's America is not it. Obama claims he wants democracy in the Middle East yet undercuts the sole democracy in that region in favor of terrorists. This will only embolden attacks and if Israel is backed into a corner against genocidal attackers, it will unleash a nuclear holocaust on its attackers.

If this happens, it's on the heads of Obama and his Muslim brothers, as well as the defenders/voters of Obama.

"And I had hope for you Dezil."
So sorry to disappoint you

"Thus, Bibi went to the Senate and US Congress hoping that might be more trustworthy"

He's playing with our politics, and if Obama went to Israel and gave a speech to the ones who don't support the current Governments policies, so many don't, for support of another way...you would be up in arms.
He's not against Israel, just that this status quo for another 50 years, just won't fly and he was trying to get the talks off the snide.


"where you think he can do no wrong and that anyone who criticizes is somehow unworthy."

He can and has done things wrong...but to do the "Obama sucks because..." I'll leave that up to you.

"but some of his people."

To me, not you, a hell of a lot of people and I believe the Military would have definitely stepped in. They have their agenda believe me on that one.
If it was just "some of his people ", this loss of power is not to their licking at all, cuts down on the graft, now a semi honest, {Hell it's Egypt, the middle east} civilian government to worry about? Not their favorite thing. Dealing with civilians, having to be held to standards, accountable ??

"I do know that among the people there are the pro-Jihad and anti-Israel Muslim brotherhood as well as those who think the best way to celebrate is to gang rape a woman nearly to death."

Yep true, part of the 80 million, and you wanted to send in the Marines??

"Obama has ZERO reason to mistreat a longtime US ally who has helped to bring stability to the region and, yes, DID "throw him under the bus"

Again, your solution, the Marines? Mubaraks time had come, he just didn't believe it. Obama tried to have him see the light, he wouldn't. We had 2500 Marines off shore on one of the Hello/invasion carriers..send them in, and then what?? Your ranting my friend.

"by refusing to mind his own business"

Can't do it, we are the US of America, the President can't stay quiet. China, they can remain silent. Russia, they too..but we, can't stay quiet, just the way it is.

"If he has to have spoken those words, he should have done so when a known US enemy was slaughtering their people, i.e. Iran"

We have zero, zilch influence with Iran, all we can do there is what we are doing, remain vigilant, sanction them till it hurts and try and convince others to do so too as long as they continue to build toward a nuclear force.

"Regarding the validity of a Palestinian state: it does not exist and never will. They can not survive on their own without outside help "

Even under the occupation, up to now, the West Bank has been doing quite well. Their PM has been building their economy, while unemployment is at about 18 %, that is very low for the region, the Egyptians who visit can't get over the produce and food in the shops, and the fact is, Palestinians are great entrepreneurs, very successful, were one of the biggest work force in the Gulf in the skilled jobs till they supported the wrong side in the Iraq war, and there are about 9 million living off shore. Here , Europe, very successful and while some $ go back to them now, I believe once they get , if ever, a State of their own, many will return, invest.

A lot like American and other Jews have done throughout the Globe, and supported Israel over the years.
Especially if they get Congressional dispensation and are allowed to legally send money there and invest there, as American Jews are allowed to do with Israel.

"I would suggest attack "

Who?? They do attack those who fire the rockets, those who lead them, those who plan the killings , but that is a few in #'s so who are they to attack.

The guy who owns a fruit stand in some Palestinian village. So he doesn't care for Israel, would rather they weren't there? He should be attacked?? Hey they are your words , not mine.

"Israel needs a friend and sadly Obama's America is not it. Obama claims he wants democracy in the Middle East yet undercuts the sole democracy in that region in favor of terrorists. "

He still has the US support, Obamas support, as well as the $3 Bill per, just that the Pres says the status quo is not working, cannot continue.
Especially under the new Middle east...he wants them to see what they can come up with..the "67" borders...well lets see what Bibbi comes up with, but if he is going to come up with little Arab Ghettos spread around the West Bank surrounded by Israeli settlements , movement thrioughout their own State limited by settlements of the Israelis, Israeli troops everywhere in theirn OWN State, not a viable State, then we need to know that, because that is not going to work .

You really ranted away and so much of your ranting was so poorly thought out, all emotion, so little thought given ...

so as you said,

"And I had hope for you Dezil."

after reading all of your rant at me..I read every line and word...

while I said , sorry to disappoint you , after reading your whatever..me to to you, because ..well...best answered, and I tried , I really did...

[henryclay]

desi said:

To[o] many are getting so up tite and emotional as if we are pulling out of the Israeli camp, and there is no way in hell we can or will, unless they , Israeli's, do something really outrageous that turns the American Public off completely...

It leaves me wondering what you mean by "outrageous"? Do you suppose their moving back to the 1967 borders and then asking for more help from the United States would qualify?

[burnsattornincan]

You really ranted away and so much of your ranting was so poorly thought out

If I were you Mr. deziloooooo, I would be glad someone had addressed me directly in such an articulate, informed and professional manner.

[ameiko]

From Ameiko: "Thus, Bibi went to the Senate and US Congress hoping that might be more trustworthy"

From Dezilroo:
He's playing with our politics,

AND OBAMA IS PLAYING WITH THEIR SECURITY AND YOU STILL REFUSE TO ADDRESS THAT!!!

If someone goes after you, you go after them . Obama went after Israel and its leader went after him admittedly in a far lesser manner. You are being an abject hypocrite!

He's not against Israel, just that this status quo for another 50 years, just won't fly and he was tryiing to get the talks off the snide.

The how do you explain him helping to depose the tolerant Egyption ruler for the Muslim brotherhood AND cutting the legs out from Isreal prior to negotiations? Or his comments that it's the right of every nation "to defend itself, by itself." He has clearly stated that he will not help defend Israel, our ally, if genocidal forces try to sweep into their nation.

From Ameiko
where you think he can do no wrong and that anyone who criticizes is somehow unworthy."

From Dezil:
He can and has done things wrong...but to do the 'obama sucks because..." I'll leave that up to you.

In other words, you stick your fingers in your ears like a child and sing, "nah nah, I can't hear you" because you do not want to hear the relevant FACTS that Obama lied to the Jewish people and Israel about his support. Bibi, knowing he can thus not trust Obama, has sought instead to go to Congress to see their stance; it's a smart thing to know who your allies are and clearly Obama is not. You do not undercut your allies, especially against people who want to kill them.

From Ameiko:
"I do know that among the people there are the pro-Jihad and anti-Israel Muslim brotherhood as well as those who think the best way to celebrate is to gang rape a woman nearly to death."

From Dezil:
Yep true, part of the 80 million, and you wanted to send in the Marines??

WHERE DID I SAY TO SEND IN THE MARINES?!?!

This is typical of Obama supports: make things up to evade the issue. I simple show that these people are untrustworthy savages who we should not help into power. DUh!

From Ameiko:
"Obama has ZERO reason to mistreat a longtime US ally who has helped to bring stability to the region and, yes, DID "throw him under the bus"

From Dezil:
Again, your solution, the Marines? We 2500 off shore on one of the Hello/invasion carriers..send them in, and then what?? Your ranting my friend.

And AGAIN you evade the question by making things up! You simply can not defend your boy (OMG, is that racist?) Obama.

"by refusing to mind his own business" Can't do it, we are theb US of America, the President can't stay quiet. China, they can remain silent. Russia, they too..but we, can't stay quiete, just the way it is.

Of course he can. Just as he is quiet when the Palestinians attack Israel every day or China supresses its people, or Christians are savaged by Muslims or people in Iran rise up against a Muslim theocracy: OBAMA SAYS NOTHING!!!

From Ameiko:
"If he has to have spoken those words, he should have done so when a known US enemy was slaughtering their people, i.e. Iran"

From Dezil:
We have zero, zilch influence with Iran,

With someone who Iranian friends, I can tell you this isn't true. Knowing that America is there, perhaps even willing to send help to the rebels, could have helped the cause, rally more to the protestors, and help them stand stronger. But Obama only wants to topple non Muslim nations. Don't believe me? His actions prove it!

"I would suggest attack "

Who?? They do attack those who fire the rockets, those who lead them, those who plan the killings , but that is a few in #'s so who are they to attack.

Given that the people voted in Hamas, those who vow attacks on Israel, there are many attackers, planners, and many more who support them. I say attack anywhere that rockets come from.

Levels those homes and towns from where the rockets rain. If "innocent" Palestinians die because they let their homes be used (or were forced to by the people they elected to power), then their karma did them in because they went along with evil and indeed we see that the people in that "nation" supports attacks on Israel and empowers those attacks.

"Israel needs a friend and sadly Obama's America is not it. Obama claims he wants democracy in the Middle East yet undercuts the sole democracy in that region in favor of terrorists. "

He still has the US support, Obamas support

Listen to his speech and then tell me that he supports Israel. Look at his assisting the removal of the tolerant Mubarak and then tell me he supports Israel.

, as well as the $3 Bill per, just that the Pres says the status quo is not working, especially under the new Middle east...he wants them to see what they can come up with..the "67" borders...well lets see what Bibbi comes up with, but if he is going to come up with little arab Ghettos sprad around the west bank surrounded by Israeli settlements , not a viable Stat, then we need to know that, because thjat is not going to work .

Bibi has already shown how it's NOT going to work and indeed schooled Obama today. I hate to see a US President be taken down like that but Obama brought it upon himself.

What is not going to work is giving concessions to a genocidal people who has broken their word. What is not going to work is to encourage their terrorism while punishing Israel which has shown incredible restraint. What is not going to work is returning to borders that Israel says can not be defended nor will allowing Jewish settlements to be isolated within Arab terrorities.

Whatever claims the Palestinians have they have lost by fleeing their homeland rather than defending it when the other Arab nations attacked as well as their continues assaults on Israel.

You really ranted away and so much of your ranting was so poorly thought out, all emotion, so little thought given ...

That would mean something if you had a single coherent thought or had been able to answer (let alone counter) a single point I made. Instead you evade and make claims that Obama's words and actions as well as the actions of Palestine does not support.

You are right the status quo can not remain but you are for the status quo: more concessions which have NEVER worked!

I feel bad for you Dezil, I truly do. Well I can scratch you off my response list like Lakhota and many others. Well I may respond but it's not to change your minds but bring facts and rationality to the readers of these threads. I will never change your minds until you are ready to listen and by dismissing the facts and quotes I bring to the table, such as Obama's outright lies and reversals with regards to Israel, among many other topics, you are as closed minded as the Palestinians.

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May 21, 2011 0:17:46 GMT -5 henryclay said:

desi said:

To[o] many are getting so up tite and emotional as if we are pulling out of the Israeli camp, and there is no way in hell we can or will, unless they , Israeli's, do something really outrageous that turns the American Public off completely...

It leaves me wondering what you mean by "outrageous"? Do you suppose their moving back to the 1967 borders and then asking for more help from the United States would qualify?

If they did something outrageous to turn the American and govt away from them, you would know it when it happened, and I believe they , their leadership, are to smart for that.