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Post by lakhota on May 16, 2011 22:31:01 GMT -5
LONDON -- Famed theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking finds no room for heaven in his vision of the cosmos. In an interview published Monday in The Guardian newspaper, the 69-year-old says the human brain is a like a computer that will stop working when its components fail. He says: "There is no heaven or afterlife for broken-down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark." In "Grand Design," a book published last year, Hawking had declared that it was "not necessary to invoke God ... to get the universe going." Hawking is nearly totally paralyzed by motor neurone disease, diagnosed when he was 21. Hawking says he is not afraid of death, but adds: "I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first." www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/16/stephen-hawking-heaven-is-a-myth_n_862394.html
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Post by lakhota on May 16, 2011 22:32:39 GMT -5
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Post by Value Buy on May 16, 2011 22:34:41 GMT -5
Yes, but what are his politcal views?
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Post by lakhota on May 16, 2011 22:37:36 GMT -5
Yes, but what are his politcal views? Apparently the opposite of the religious right who are trying to dominate our lives.
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Post by Value Buy on May 16, 2011 22:40:53 GMT -5
Yes, but what are his politcal views? Apparently the opposite of the religious right who are trying to dominate our lives. Strange, the religious right is not dominating my life. Why are you allowing them to dominate your life?
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Post by lakhota on May 16, 2011 22:45:37 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 22:47:40 GMT -5
I don't consider myself overly religious, but I sure love owning space in someone's mind because I believe in God........ I find it fascinating that people on a political message board will take the time to try to debunk the personal beliefs of people like me........
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Post by marshabar1 on May 16, 2011 22:47:53 GMT -5
Stephen Hawking: Heaven Is A Myth How about hell, smart guy? OOOOH he's so smart, surely HE'D know more than anyone else about these things.
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Post by Value Buy on May 16, 2011 22:51:31 GMT -5
Lakhota, for the first time ever, my computer was hacked last week, and I am afraid it happened here at Proboards. I no longer will open any links from overseas or leftwing media, so I cannot debate this issue.
Disclosure, I cannot prove it happened here,but I never opened Middle East media links until last week, and got hacked right after that. Either that or You tube videos from Bills, got me..... It will not happen again.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 22:54:37 GMT -5
I got it from a You Tube last week. Not on the board, though. Just looking at you tubes. Nasty, had to get remote help.
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Post by bobbysgirl on May 16, 2011 22:57:26 GMT -5
How would anyone know there is no heaven, if they were never there? If you can't see or feel it or use any sense to verify it, how can he know it does not exist? That is not a scientific avenue for proof. There are many things around us that we are not aware of. Just because we have progressed in the scientific arena, doesn't mean things in the universe have changed.
We are so quick to prove we are the best, smartest, and the end all that we disapprove of anything that is beyond us.
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Post by ed1066 on May 16, 2011 23:03:36 GMT -5
Yes, but what are his politcal views? Apparently the opposite of the religious right who are trying to dominate our lives. Are you writing that from your government-owned trailer?
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Post by lakhota on May 16, 2011 23:04:18 GMT -5
One cannot rationally deny the role that religion plays in our political lives. We constantly see it unfolding here in America and throughout the world. Hawking is simply saying it has no scientific basic in fact. Hey, he's entitled to his point of view.
I happen to agree with him...
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Post by shelby on May 16, 2011 23:07:41 GMT -5
Interesting enough Hawking does not outright deny god even though he does not believe in the same sense as Christians he does not say god does not exist. At this point we enough to know we do not know enough. Who knows maybe dark matter is god and heaven is simply the cosmos itself or exist in the folds of time. I cannot begin to understand what he does, but for someone who believes in alternate universes with possible differing laws of science and physics as he does I don't know how he would rule it out. Also no scientist has a clue what dark matter is and it makes up like 90% of our universe.
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Post by ed1066 on May 16, 2011 23:10:00 GMT -5
One cannot rationally deny the role that religion plays in our political lives. We constantly see it unfolding here in America and throughout the world. Hawking is simply saying it has no scientific basic in fact. The same goes for anthropogenic global warming, but it has become a religion to many liberals, complete with sacred texts, a church, clergy and everything else...
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 16, 2011 23:10:19 GMT -5
Did none of you actually read the content of the interview? Question 1:What is the value in knowing "Why are we here?"
The universe is governed by science. But science tells us that we can't solve the equations, directly in the abstract. We need to use the effective theory of Darwinian natural selection of those societies most likely to survive. We assign them higher value. This kind of stuff is straight out of the Third Reich. I'm almost hoping his comments were abridged somehow, or we're lacking context for the question. Hawking has given us some marvelous theories about radiation and black holes, but his intellectual stature should by no means discourage us from vetting what he says.
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Post by lakhota on May 16, 2011 23:13:09 GMT -5
OMG...
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Post by Value Buy on May 16, 2011 23:21:25 GMT -5
OMG IS that "OH MY GOD" or oh my gosh? Got religion all of a sudden there?
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Post by shelby on May 16, 2011 23:22:05 GMT -5
OMG is right how did you come to this opinion?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 23:31:09 GMT -5
Read #15. It IS pretty Nazi sounding.
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Post by shelby on May 16, 2011 23:40:00 GMT -5
what exactly is Nazi about it?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 23:42:28 GMT -5
A selective society?
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Post by shelby on May 16, 2011 23:44:42 GMT -5
He's basically saying we as humans cannot give the answer to life and why we are here, so we value cultures or societies that create ideas of higher intelligence as a way to suffice our fear of the unknown and the question of why. Hence the survival of Christianity we have a deep need to know why or give meaning to everything around us even if we will never have the answers...My opinion does that mean I am a Nazi?
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Post by shelby on May 16, 2011 23:45:46 GMT -5
"A selective society? "
totally out of context and shows you have no idea what he was saying.
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Post by Value Buy on May 16, 2011 23:46:58 GMT -5
Have the people of radical Muslim faith called a Fatqua (sp?) for the death of Hawking for denying a Heaven yet? Or do they consider him unworthy of assassination much like Joe Biden?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 23:47:57 GMT -5
You didn't read what I read. Do you agree that one society should have more value than another? The strong over the weak?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 16, 2011 23:50:49 GMT -5
The Nazi doctrine was "man's evolution" through the elimination of inferior races. That is: various societies would be observed, and those with "more desirable characteristics" (such as industrial prowess, favourable genetic characteristics, military and technological strength, etc.) would be deemed superior (i.e. "higher in value") than the lesser races and societies.
It's a concept called "Social Darwinism"; one of the pillars of Nazi philosophy. It's likely that Hawkins was referring to "ideas" when he was referring to "societies", but his comment could have come straight out of a textbook by Mengele.
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Post by shelby on May 16, 2011 23:53:08 GMT -5
Well I do not no, but you do since you value Christian beliefs over those of non christian...and that is not what he was saying we should do, he was saying it is what we do..do. look at all the religious posturing and religious wars that is the answer to your question.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 23:57:26 GMT -5
You are interpreting his words, shelby. I am just reading his words.
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Post by shelby on May 17, 2011 0:06:55 GMT -5
It is my opinion yes. I think he was answering the question asked "what is the value in knowing why we are here" it is not a personal reflection it is his idea of why we all value the question.
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