The Trump/HarrisDebate

[mollyc]

I asked my brother” who, outside of soap opera villianesses, decides to have an abortion after 7 months just because they want one. Find me one person in the whole world”. He went off on some other conservative tangent instead.

If people want to believe that babies are happily aborted just cause, they are going to no matter how much reality you put in their faces.

My brother didn’t care until his wife had multiple miscarriages of very wanted babies. It’s a trauma response and once someone decides that their trauma means no one else can ever have an abortion ever again, they aren’t going to change.

[thyme4change]

My niece gave birth to a baby at 20 weeks that was not viable. It lived a short time and they did nothing to save the baby’s life because the chances of survival were zero. She had a D&C because the placenta did not clear. If you tell her she had an abortion she would be furious.

There is absolutely no way a perfectly healthy baby is born and the doctor smothers it after birth. You can try and give us proof - but it has to be someone reliable and absolutely not Trump. A statement by a lawmaker or doctor from the state would be a good start. That should be easy. But they need to say something educated and credible - not just repeat the anger-porn statements that Trump has made.

[NastyWoman]

Sept 14, 2024 15:04:28 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 14, 2024 10:15:50 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Actually it was the casual acquaintance of a friend of her neighbors.

it was the DAUGHTER of a friend of their neighbors.  i believe she was a teenager.

this reminds me VERY MUCH of the woman who started the rumor about voting machines.  this is where she got her information:


she based her now nationally prominent ideas about election fraud on a wide variety of sources, including hidden messages she detects in films, song lyrics she hears on the radio, and overheard conversations she hears while in line at the supermarket checkout.

this is the same bullcrap that started the 2000 mules nonsense, and has led to something like 2/3 of Republican voters thinking that there was election fraud.

you (Republicans) need to vet your sources way better.

She is probably related to the cousin of a friend, of a brother, of a hairdresser who claimed some years ago to have testicles the size of basketballs as a side effect of betting his first Covid shot  

[chiver78]

Sept 14, 2024 17:05:39 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Sept 14, 2024 15:06:51 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

well, to be fair, he graduated in 1968.  most of us weren't even born then.  he has long forgotten everything he learned.

Hey I graduated with an EE from Drexel in 1970 and remember everything. 

physics doesn't change like financial rules do. you're good. 🙃

[pulmonarymd]

My wife had to have one at 19 weeks. She had an amniotic fluid leak after an amniocentesis and he had an infection. We went on to have a third child. But scgal will tell me it is better h th hst my wife died because it is better to continue a nonviable pregnancy than to do an abortion.

So yes, this is very personal to me

[ken a.k.a OMK]

 pulmonarymd Sorry

[pulmonarymd]

Happened long ago. You have to get through these things, never really get over. But we are good, and happy with the family we have. But the more people talk about these things, the better. Makes people with unreasonable ideas have to face the real world consequences of their beliefs

[Tiny]

Do you suppose trump is thinking that a stillborn baby was somehow "aborted"?  Especially when it happens during labor and birth? 

(I'm pretty sure he has next to no knowledge about how women's bodies work...) 

definition of a stillborn baby:
What is stillbirth? Stillbirth is when a baby dies in the womb after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Most stillbirths happen before a pregnant person goes into labor, but a small number happen during labor and birth. Stillbirth affects about 1 in 160 pregnancies each year in the United States.

[djAdvocate]

i had no idea the number was that high.

[happyhoix]

Sept 14, 2024 20:46:52 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Do you suppose trump is thinking that a stillborn baby was somehow "aborted"?  Especially when it happens during labor and birth? 

(I'm pretty sure he has next to no knowledge about how women's bodies work...) 

definition of a stillborn baby:
What is stillbirth? Stillbirth is when a baby dies in the womb after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Most stillbirths happen before a pregnant person goes into labor, but a small number happen during labor and birth. Stillbirth affects about 1 in 160 pregnancies each year in the United States.

Trump frequently talks about some incident that was described as a woman giving birth  and then the baby being ‘set aside.’ He claims ‘set aside’ means it was murdered, ‘probably’ strangled. 

I’m wondering if this just means, after delivery, the baby was taken to the other side of the room where a nurse took care of it (which happens in any normal delivery). 

Or it could be the record of a still birth that Trump has misinterpreted in effort to prove a point. 

[happyhoix]

Speaking of Trump seizing stories to prove a point (even if they’re fake), JD Vance posted a video that he claimed was proof of Haitians eating cats.

It shows African immigrants (not Haitians) in Dayton (not Springfield) grilling, and the animals being grilled look exactly like whole chickens.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-cats-grill-chicken-ohio-b2612999.html

As someone in the article comments, JD Vance has only seen Dino shaped pieces of chicken, apparently.

Meanwhile, because Vance and Trump keep insisting Haitians are eating pets (despite no real evidence that isn’t chicken based) Springfield has had to close their schools/ and/or hospital for three days this week, due to threats of violence.

If they really cared about Ohio, as they claim, they should be calming this down, not fanning the flames.

[Tennesseer]

The Borowitz Report

Trump Cognitive Test

Donald J. Trump’s catastrophic debate performance has sparked widespread concern about his mental decline.

As a public service, TBR is offering the following cognitive exam to assess Trump’s acuity. For the sake of the nation and the world, we urge him to take it.

I am most afraid of

a) Sharks

b) Boats

c) E. Jean Carroll

The number of people who attended my Inauguration was

a) 1.5 million

b) 15 million

c) 8.1 billion

I have never read

a) Project 2025

b) The U.S. Constitution

c) The Art of the Deal

Kamala Harris is

a) Black

b) Indian

c) Generated by AI

I almost crashed in a helicopter with

a) Willie Brown

b) Jerry Brown

c) Bad, Bad Leroy Brown

Another word for “crazy person” is

a) Loon

b) Loser

c) Loomer

The Democrats want to take away our

a) Cars

b) Bacon

c) Ketchup

COVID can be cured with

a) Horse dewormer

b) Bleach

c) Ketchup

The next Supreme Court justice I nominate will be

a) Sean Hannity

b) Hulk Hogan

c) The late, great Hannibal Lecter

The eating thing that’s most likely to happen is

a) Haitian migrants eating cats

b) Haitian migrants eating dogs

c) Putin eating me for lunch

The person most to blame for January 6 is

a) Nancy Pelosi

b) Nikki Haley

c) Nancy Pelosi and Nikki Haley are the same person

I have never paid

a) Building contractors

b) Taxes

c) Rudy Giuliani

I have never met

a) The Proud Boys

b) The Backstreet Boys

c) Tiffany Trump

I have never had sex with

a) Stormy Daniels

b) Karen McDougal

c) Steve Bannon

My wife’s name is

a) Melanie

b) Mercedes

c) Malala

d) Malomar

e) Melanin

f) Macrame

g) Milli Vanilli

h) Mojito

i) Mimosa

j) Marsupial

k) E. Jean Carrolll


Trump Cognitive Test

[scgal]

Sept 14, 2024 8:34:57 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Sept 14, 2024 8:17:33 GMT -5 scgal said:

So is abortion. Does your fucking brain work!

But you are trying to claim that abortion happens after birth. It does not. Not ever. Abortion and murder are not the same, despite how YOU personally view it.

YAWN

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 15, 2024 8:15:22 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 14, 2024 8:34:57 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

But you are trying to claim that abortion happens after birth. It does not. Not ever. Abortion and murder are not the same, despite how YOU personally view it.

YAWN

You re as Lou refuse to learn anything. There is no such thing as a post birth abortion. If you had any modicum of intention learning something you would understand that moon and I both know a whole lot more about medicine than you do and act accordingly

[billisonboard]

Sept 15, 2024 7:29:00 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Sept 14, 2024 20:46:52 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Do you suppose trump is thinking that a stillborn baby was somehow "aborted"?  Especially when it happens during labor and birth? 

(I'm pretty sure he has next to no knowledge about how women's bodies work...) 

definition of a stillborn baby:
What is stillbirth? Stillbirth is when a baby dies in the womb after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Most stillbirths happen before a pregnant person goes into labor, but a small number happen during labor and birth. Stillbirth affects about 1 in 160 pregnancies each year in the United States.

Trump frequently talks about some incident that was described as a woman giving birth  and then the baby being ‘set aside.’ He claims ‘set aside’ means it was murdered, ‘probably’ strangled. 

I’m wondering if this just means, after delivery, the baby was taken to the other side of the room where a nurse took care of it (which happens in any normal delivery). 

Or it could be the record of a still birth that Trump has misinterpreted in effort to prove a point. 

CNN: The origins of Trump’s false claim that Democrats want to allow ‘execution’ of babies after birth

It appears to stem from comments made by former Virginia (not West Virginia) Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat and pediatric neurologist, in an interview with Washington, DC, radio station WTOP in 2019.

...

Northam noted that abortions in the third trimester of pregnancy are “done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that’s nonviable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen: The infant would be delivered; the infant would be kept comfortable; the infant would be resuscitated, if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

[Tennesseer]

Sept 15, 2024 9:33:21 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 15, 2024 7:29:00 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Trump frequently talks about some incident that was described as a woman giving birth  and then the baby being ‘set aside.’ He claims ‘set aside’ means it was murdered, ‘probably’ strangled. 

I’m wondering if this just means, after delivery, the baby was taken to the other side of the room where a nurse took care of it (which happens in any normal delivery). 

Or it could be the record of a still birth that Trump has misinterpreted in effort to prove a point. 

CNN: The origins of Trump’s false claim that Democrats want to allow ‘execution’ of babies after birth

It appears to stem from comments made by former Virginia (not West Virginia) Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat and pediatric neurologist, in an interview with Washington, DC, radio station WTOP in 2019.

...

Northam noted that abortions in the third trimester of pregnancy are “done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that’s nonviable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen: The infant would be delivered; the infant would be kept comfortable; the infant would be resuscitated, if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

You must have skipped reply #314 yesterday.

[billisonboard]

Sept 15, 2024 9:52:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 15, 2024 9:33:21 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

CNN: The origins of Trump’s false claim that Democrats want to allow ‘execution’ of babies after birth

It appears to stem from comments made by former Virginia (not West Virginia) Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat and pediatric neurologist, in an interview with Washington, DC, radio station WTOP in 2019.

...

Northam noted that abortions in the third trimester of pregnancy are “done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that’s nonviable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen: The infant would be delivered; the infant would be kept comfortable; the infant would be resuscitated, if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

You must have skipped reply #314 yesterday.

You are correct. I didn't catch that one. I was responding to a post from this morning that questioned the origins of the story. I should have simply referenced your post from yesterday. I apologize for not doing so.

[scgal]

Sept 15, 2024 8:45:21 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 15, 2024 8:15:22 GMT -5 scgal said:

YAWN

You re as Lou refuse to learn anything. There is no such thing as a post birth abortion. If you had any modicum of intention learning something you would understand that moon and I both know a whole lot more about medicine than you do and act accordingly

murder is as murderer does. It's not about the medicine. Yea you know all to beat all physician Super Doc to the rescue the "Hero". 

[Opti]

Sept 15, 2024 11:13:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 15, 2024 8:45:21 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

You re as Lou refuse to learn anything. There is no such thing as a post birth abortion. If you had any modicum of intention learning something you would understand that moon and I both know a whole lot more about medicine than you do and act accordingly

murder is as murderer does. It's not about the medicine. Yea you know all to beat all physician Super Doc to the rescue the "Hero". 

You've not addressed this -

So then all miscarriages are murder? God/nature regularly rejects failed sperm/egg combos in the first month. Are you saying then spontaneous abortions are murder whether prompted by nature/God? Miscarriages are known as spontaneous abortions, they are part of the abortion numbers.

Try to ignore PMD and focus. Many abortions in a hospital setting are miscarriages or non-viable fetuses. How can you murder a fetus who is dead? What is your answer for nonviable fetuses in general? And how do you justify Trump's lying about babies who don't survive the birth or will pass on their own once they do not have the placenta and the mother to sustain them?

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 15, 2024 11:13:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 15, 2024 8:45:21 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

You re as Lou refuse to learn anything. There is no such thing as a post birth abortion. If you had any modicum of intention learning something you would understand that moon and I both know a whole lot more about medicine than you do and act accordingly

murder is as murderer does. It's not about the medicine. Yea you know all to beat all physician Super Doc to the rescue the "Hero". 

It is important yo be accurate. Once a child is born, killing it is called infantacide. But you are too simple minded to understand the distinction. You, like Trump, think like a third grader. Abortions happen before birth. You care more about fetuses than actual women. My wife would be dead if you had your way.

You also don’t seem to understand anything related to medicine. There is a difference between not intervening and actually killing domeone. Conservatives all want parents to be able to choose to vaccinate their children. Do they have the right to not do everything possible after birth to keep a child alive if they have a fatal condition.

We all know you have no respect for physicians, funny how everyone who thinks like you do run to use to save your lives when things go wrong. You are nothing but a bunch of fucking hypocrites. I am a more than competent physician. I have expertise in internal medicine as well as pulmonary and critical care medicine. But you continue to disregard my expertise, spout nonsense, and insult me and my field. I am not he one who thinks I know e. You refuse to listen to anyone who knows more than you. Who is the ignorant one?

[Tennesseer]

[mollyc]

I think there are arguments we should just give up on, at least in this thread, because nothing is going to change.

Some of this might just be stubbornness brought on by being on a minority side but it might be entrenched by personal experience.

A stance on guns brought by an assault during an armed robbery is not going to be moved by facts.

A "Pro-Life" stance that says the fetus you are carrying is always more important then living, breathing you, even though that fetus may naturally abort, may die of SIDS, or may hate having been born so much it eventually ends its own life, isn't going to be moved by facts.

I can point out to my brother that everyone dealing with local pedophiles by passing information along to authorities instead of keeping their kids away will do more to stop the International Child Porn/Sex Slavery issue then throwing the evil "Elites" in jail.  It just makes him change the subject.  I know a lot of adult survivors who were told by their parents or other children to avoid so and so.  But no one went to the cops with what they knew or thought they knew.  In fact they were often in trouble with their parents because "I told you not to be alone with so and so".  I had a gay teacher in high school that all of the boys hated but all of them made it about homophobic slurs instead of telling any adults what they knew or had heard he'd done.  There was another male teacher that was having a relationship with a much younger then us female student for 4 of her 5 high school years.  The students in my Grad class who knew just treated the teacher with no respect including digging a grave in the school yard with his name on the "headstone".  Rather then, you know, telling the principal and her parents.

It's frustrating when someone's response is stuck in absolutes rather then the nuances of reality but it's common in relationships that occur only under specific circumstances.

[scgal]

Sept 15, 2024 11:19:51 GMT -5 Opti said:

Sept 15, 2024 11:13:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

murder is as murderer does. It's not about the medicine. Yea you know all to beat all physician Super Doc to the rescue the "Hero". 

You've not addressed this -

So then all miscarriages are murder? God/nature regularly rejects failed sperm/egg combos in the first month. Are you saying then spontaneous abortions are murder whether prompted by nature/God? Miscarriages are known as spontaneous abortions, they are part of the abortion numbers.

Try to ignore PMD and focus. Many abortions in a hospital setting are miscarriages or non-viable fetuses. How can you murder a fetus who is dead? What is your answer for nonviable fetuses in general? And how do you justify Trump's lying about babies who don't survive the birth or will pass on their own once they do not have the placenta and the mother to sustain them?

I personally don't think anything medically necessary is considered an abortion. I only have an issue with elective abortions, the ones who find out they are pregnant and think it is ok to abort rather than try to carry to term. 

[scgal]

Sept 15, 2024 11:35:22 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 15, 2024 11:13:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

murder is as murderer does. It's not about the medicine. Yea you know all to beat all physician Super Doc to the rescue the "Hero". 

It is important yo be accurate. Once a child is born, killing it is called infantacide. But you are too simple minded to understand the distinction. You, like Trump, think like a third grader. Abortions happen before birth. You care more about fetuses than actual women. My wife would be dead if you had your way.

You also don’t seem to understand anything related to medicine. There is a difference between not intervening and actually killing domeone. Conservatives all want parents to be able to choose to vaccinate their children. Do they have the right to not do everything possible after birth to keep a child alive if they have a fatal condition.

We all know you have no respect for physicians, funny how everyone who thinks like you do run to use to save your lives when things go wrong. You are nothing but a bunch of fucking hypocrites. I am a more than competent physician. I have expertise in internal medicine as well as pulmonary and critical care medicine. But you continue to disregard my expertise, spout nonsense, and insult me and my field. I am not he one who thinks I know e. You refuse to listen to anyone who knows more than you. Who is the ignorant one?

You are wrong I have a lot of respect for good physicians, and although I don't know you you may very well be a good physician. Your hubris is deafening to a sickening stance. 

On a side note I get flamed for not using spell check, what you just wrote is a word salad. 

[Opti]

Sept 15, 2024 14:04:39 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 15, 2024 11:19:51 GMT -5 Opti said:

You've not addressed this -

So then all miscarriages are murder? God/nature regularly rejects failed sperm/egg combos in the first month. Are you saying then spontaneous abortions are murder whether prompted by nature/God? Miscarriages are known as spontaneous abortions, they are part of the abortion numbers.

Try to ignore PMD and focus. Many abortions in a hospital setting are miscarriages or non-viable fetuses. How can you murder a fetus who is dead? What is your answer for nonviable fetuses in general? And how do you justify Trump's lying about babies who don't survive the birth or will pass on their own once they do not have the placenta and the mother to sustain them?

I personally don't think anything medically necessary is considered an abortion. I only have an issue with elective abortions, the ones who find out they are pregnant and think it is ok to abort rather than try to carry to term. 

But what I have described are medical abortions and women are dying or getting seriously sick because doctors don't want to help them in those states where very restrictive abortion laws exist. Real women who wanted their children, but things went wrong now have to risk their lives, future fertility just because some people haven't thought through that elective abortions are not the only kind of abortions that exist.

[Opti]

And in an affidavit filed in the case challenging the heartbeat bill, Dr. David Burkons said that two patients with ectopic pregnancies, which can be dangerous, were seen by ER physicians who were afraid to treat them "without being absolutely certain there was no intrauterine pregnancy." In one case, the patient's fallopian tube later ruptured.

Christina Zielke and her husband were excited when she got pregnant in July. It was her first pregnancy at age 33 – everything was new. But during the ultrasound at her initial prenatal appointment in Washington D.C., there was no heartbeat. Bloodwork taken a few days apart showed her pregnancy hormone levels were dropping.

A doctor from her Ob-Gyn's office called her to confirm that the pregnancy had ended in a miscarriage. They laid out her options: Take medication to make the pregnancy tissue come out faster, have a dilation and curettage or D&C procedure to remove the pregnancy tissue from her uterus, or wait for it to come out on its own.
But that wasn't it. The next night, at around 4 a.m., she started to bleed again – a lot.

She crawled into an empty bathtub at her dad and stepmom's house so the blood wouldn't make a mess. Blood soon filled the bottom of the tub. "I was passing blood clots the size of golf balls," she says. She woke up her husband and they called a nurse at her insurer's advice line who told them to go to an emergency room.

One nurse mentioned in passing that a D&C is sometimes needed to get heavy bleeding to stop, but Zielke says she wasn't offered one, nor was she given any other treatment, not even IV fluids or pain medication.

Then, "about two and a half hours into this slew of tests, a nurse comes in and tells me that I'm being discharged," Zielke says.

www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/11/15/1135882310/miscarriage-hemorrhage-abortion-law-ohio

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 15, 2024 14:09:12 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 15, 2024 11:35:22 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

It is important yo be accurate. Once a child is born, killing it is called infantacide. But you are too simple minded to understand the distinction. You, like Trump, think like a third grader. Abortions happen before birth. You care more about fetuses than actual women. My wife would be dead if you had your way.

You also don’t seem to understand anything related to medicine. There is a difference between not intervening and actually killing domeone. Conservatives all want parents to be able to choose to vaccinate their children. Do they have the right to not do everything possible after birth to keep a child alive if they have a fatal condition.

We all know you have no respect for physicians, funny how everyone who thinks like you do run to use to save your lives when things go wrong. You are nothing but a bunch of fucking hypocrites. I am a more than competent physician. I have expertise in internal medicine as well as pulmonary and critical care medicine. But you continue to disregard my expertise, spout nonsense, and insult me and my field. I am not he one who thinks I know e. You refuse to listen to anyone who knows more than you. Who is the ignorant one?

You are wrong I have a lot of respect for good physicians, and although I don't know you you may very well be a good physician. Your hubris is deafening to a sickening stance. 

On a side note I get flamed for not using spell check, what you just wrote is a word salad. 

Then why, when I point out where you are wrong from a medical standpoint, do you, ignore, double down, or repeat your ignorant comment. Killing a child after they are born is infanticide, not abortion. That is the correct term both medically and legally. And it is a crime. So your stupid, conservative talking point is 100% wrong. Yet you continue to spew nonsense.

[Opti]

WASHINGTON (AP) — One woman miscarried in the lobby restroom of a Texas emergency room as front desk staff refused to check her in. Another woman learned that her fetus had no heartbeat at a Florida hospital, the day after a security guard turned her away from the facility. And in North Carolina, a woman gave birth in a car after an emergency room couldn’t offer an ultrasound. The baby later died.

Complaints that pregnant women were turned away from U.S. emergency rooms spiked in 2022 after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, federal documents obtained by The Associated Press reveal.

apnews.com/article/pregnancy-emergency-care-abortion-supreme-court-roe-9ce6c87c8fc653c840654de1ae5f7a1c

[djAdvocate]

Sept 15, 2024 7:42:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Speaking of Trump seizing stories to prove a point (even if they’re fake), JD Vance posted a video that he claimed was proof of Haitians eating cats.

It shows African immigrants (not Haitians) in Dayton (not Springfield) grilling, and the animals being grilled look exactly like whole chickens.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-cats-grill-chicken-ohio-b2612999.html

As someone in the article comments, JD Vance has only seen Dino shaped pieces of chicken, apparently.

Meanwhile, because Vance and Trump keep insisting Haitians are eating pets (despite no real evidence that isn’t chicken based) Springfield has had to close their schools/ and/or hospital for three days this week, due to threats of violence.

If they really cared about Ohio, as they claim, they should be calming this down, not fanning the flames.

vance is proving to be just as insecure as his master.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 15, 2024 11:13:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 15, 2024 8:45:21 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

You re as Lou refuse to learn anything. There is no such thing as a post birth abortion. If you had any modicum of intention learning something you would understand that moon and I both know a whole lot more about medicine than you do and act accordingly

murder is as murderer does. It's not about the medicine. Yea you know all to beat all physician Super Doc to the rescue the "Hero". 

in this case, i am not arguing about abortion.  i am arguing about this claim:


"Her vice presidential pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine. He also says execution after birth — it's execution, no longer abortion, because the baby is born — is OK," Trump said.


Trump is saying that Walz thinks infanticide is OK.
that claim is false.