The Trump/HarrisDebate

[moon/Laura]

Sept 14, 2024 8:17:33 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 14, 2024 8:10:00 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

OMG would you use your fucking brain?! There's NO SUCH THING as an after birth abortion. Killing a baby after it's been born is called *murder*.

So is abortion. Does your fucking brain work!

But you are trying to claim that abortion happens after birth. It does not. Not ever. Abortion and murder are not the same, despite how YOU personally view it.

[Opti]

Sept 14, 2024 8:17:33 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 14, 2024 8:10:00 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

OMG would you use your fucking brain?! There's NO SUCH THING as an after birth abortion. Killing a baby after it's been born is called *murder*.

So is abortion. Does your fucking brain work!

So then all miscarriages are murder? God/nature regularly rejects failed sperm/egg combos in the first month. Are you saying then spontaneous abortions are murder whether prompted by nature/God? Miscarriages are known as spontaneous abortions, they are part of the abortion numbers.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 14, 2024 8:32:42 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 14, 2024 8:06:20 GMT -5 scgal said:

No it doesn't it can mean after birth. Hell he even told about the gov who supported it. Lets face it Dems are baby killer period

You cannot be this stupid. Killing a child after birth is called infantacide. That is illegal. So if a newborn is born with a nonsurvivable birth defect because abortion is illegal, parents are not allowed to choose whether to pursue aggressive vs comfort care. So much for keeping the government out of our lives. And who is going to pay the potential 6 figure hospital bill, since you do not believe that the government should be paying for healthcare

But she is.

[billisonboard]

Back to thread topic:

I am curious if anyone here has experience with using an earpiece.  I don't.  It seems to me it would be impossible to have someone talking in your ear during an active debate and you not be observable "listening." I have seen a picture posted of Harris that shows her earring but not a video that suggests "there" and "there" she is listening to a voice in her ear.

Does anyone believe she is talented enough to pull it off?

[dondubble]

Sept 14, 2024 9:41:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Back to thread topic:

I am curious if anyone here has experience with using an earpiece.  I don't.  It seems to me it would be impossible to have someone talking in your ear during an active debate and you not be observable "listening." I have seen a picture posted of Harris that shows her earring but not a video that suggests "there" and "there" she is listening to a voice in her ear.

Does anyone believe she is talented enough to pull it off?

I believe Trump is talented enough to float the conspiracy theory that she did have ‘magic earrings’.

[thyme4change]

Sept 13, 2024 21:06:00 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

The woman who wrote one of the early Facebook posts about her neighbors cat maybe eaten by an immigrant has regrets:

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/-just-exploded-springfield-woman-says-never-meant-spark-rumors-haitian-rcna171099

It wasn’t actually someone she knew - more of a friend of a friend.

Now the local schools had to shut down due to threats of violence.

Actually it was the casual acquaintance of a friend of her neighbors.

Did they miss the lesson of playing telephone in kindergarten? Maybe we should make that a high school level course.

Also - and again - how would a person whose dog disappeared KNOW that it was taken, KNOW who took it and KNOW what they did with it? How would that knowledge be possible?

[billisonboard]

Sept 14, 2024 10:00:22 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Sept 14, 2024 9:41:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Back to thread topic:

I am curious if anyone here has experience with using an earpiece.  I don't.  It seems to me it would be impossible to have someone talking in your ear during an active debate and you not be observable "listening." I have seen a picture posted of Harris that shows her earring but not a video that suggests "there" and "there" she is listening to a voice in her ear.

Does anyone believe she is talented enough to pull it off?

I believe Trump is talented enough to float the conspiracy theory that she did have ‘magic earrings’.

It is consistent with his general world view that "they" will always cheat in an effort to beat him.

EDIT: and feeds well into his cult follower's belief the world is stacked against them.

[thyme4change]

Sept 13, 2024 14:34:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 13, 2024 10:25:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

Again Trump is right. There are 8 states with no term limit on abortions which means right up until birth. Trump keeps making Dems look like shit (not really that hard to do actually)

right.  but Trump claimed AFTER birth.  that is false.

oh, and btw, we are talking about about 4000 abortions that are done after viability (21 weeks).  and yeah, that is a lot of killing of viable fetuses.  but it is not infanticide.

What percentage of those are due to non-viability? I once heard that 80% of people who get a down syndrome diagnosis abort - so those are actually viable. But there must be a bunch in there due to fetal mortality.

I believe states have to submit statistics to the CDC - including gestation week and method. If someone killed a baby after birth, wouldn’t someone be able to identify that by showing us the abortion reported at week 40 with the method of strangulation?

[Tennesseer]

I am pretty sure scgal considers turning off life support for newborn infants, teens, young adults, middle-aged adults, and senior cititzens when they are determined to be brain dead (by multiple doctors) murder.  

[billisonboard]

In another great example of Trump's worldview. I had just posted my above and then read this:

“Why is NASDAQ halting the sale of DJT?” Trump said Friday on Truth Social, referring to the ticker symbol of Truth Social owner Trump Media & Technology Group. “What right do they have to do this? They have done it twice today. What’s going on?”

Trump suggested Nasdaq was “taking orders from the SEC,” an agency he accused of delaying Trump Media’s merger “for political reasons.”

Reality:

That spike was so big that it triggered two five-minute trading pauses designed to provide a cooling period.

Such trading halts are routine and happen dozens of times a day for various stocks.

[Opti]

Sept 14, 2024 10:36:48 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I am pretty sure scgal considers turning off life support for newborn infants, teens, young adults, middle-aged adults, and senior cititzens when they are determined to be brain dead (by multiple doctors) murder.  

I remain more concerned about stories like this -


apnews.com/article/harmony-montgomery-lawsuit-new-hampshire-father-abuse-9c4c39e52255265921205563eecc4736

At the trial, Harmony’s stepmother Kayla Montgomery testified that her family, including her two young sons with Adam Montgomery, had been evicted right before Thanksgiving in 2019 and were living in a car. She said on Dec. 7, Adam Montgomery punched Harmony at several stop lights as they drove from a methadone clinic to a fast food restaurant because he was angry that she was having bathroom accidents in the car.



The couple later discovered the girl was dead after the car broke down, Kayla Montgomery testified. She said her husband put the body in a duffel bag. She described various places where the girl’s body was hidden, including the trunk of a car, a cooler, a homeless center ceiling vent and the walk-in freezer at her husband’s workplace.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

But trump is special. You don't apply normal rules or laws to him. He brags about a financial degree yet doesn't understand how the exchanges work.

[thyme4change]

Technically, he is correct. The SEC created the rules that halted the trading and the exchange was following those rules.

But it wasn’t a targeted attack.

[tallguy]

Sept 14, 2024 8:32:42 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 14, 2024 8:06:20 GMT -5 scgal said:

No it doesn't it can mean after birth. Hell he even told about the gov who supported it. Lets face it Dems are baby killer period

You cannot be this stupid. Killing a child after birth is called infantacide. That is illegal. So if a newborn is born with a nonsurvivable birth defect because abortion is illegal, parents are not allowed to choose whether to pursue aggressive vs comfort care. So much for keeping the government out of our lives. And who is going to pay the potential 6 figure hospital bill, since you do not believe that the government should be paying for healthcare

Don't underestimate her.  I for one believe she is fully capable.  

[Tennesseer]

Sept 14, 2024 8:06:20 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 13, 2024 14:34:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

right.  but Trump claimed AFTER birth.  that is false.

oh, and btw, we are talking about about 4000 abortions that are done after viability (21 weeks).  and yeah, that is a lot of killing of viable fetuses.  but it is not infanticide.

No it doesn't it can mean after birth. Hell he even told about the gov who supported it. Lets face it Dems are baby killer period

You clearly made no attempt to research trump's ridiculous claim to strengthen your position. Well here you go-the facts:

Trump’s wrong on abortion claims
Trump: “But the governor before, he said, ‘The baby will be born, and we will decide what to do with the baby.’”

False.

Trump said West Virginia. He meant Virginia.

Former Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat and a physician, never said he would sanction the execution of newborns. What he did say during a 2019 radio interview is that in rare, late-pregnancy cases in which fetuses are nonviable, doctors deliver the baby, keep it comfortable, resuscitate it if the family wishes, and then have a “discussion” with the mother.

The issue is that Northam declined to say what that discussion would entail. Trump puts words in the then-governor’s mouth, saying doctors would urge the mother to let them forcibly kill the newborn, which is a felony in Virginia (and all other U.S. states) punishable by a long prison sentence or death.

Fact-checking the Harris-Trump debate

[djAdvocate]

Sept 14, 2024 8:06:20 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 13, 2024 14:34:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

right.  but Trump claimed AFTER birth.  that is false.

oh, and btw, we are talking about about 4000 abortions that are done after viability (21 weeks).  and yeah, that is a lot of killing of viable fetuses.  but it is not infanticide.

No it doesn't it can mean after birth. Hell he even told about the gov who supported it. Lets face it Dems are baby killer period

if by "it" you mean infanticide, yes- it does mean that:


the crime of killing a child within a year of its birth

[djAdvocate]

Sept 14, 2024 8:17:33 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 14, 2024 8:10:00 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

OMG would you use your fucking brain?! There's NO SUCH THING as an after birth abortion. Killing a baby after it's been born is called *murder*.

So is abortion. Does your fucking brain work!

you are missing the point, scgal.
the CLAIM that Trump made is that "killing a baby after birth" is allowed in some states.  that claim is false.

we know how you feel about abortion.  and yes, abortions are allowed up to 9 months in some states.  however, i would encourage you to investigate the circumstances of those abortions.  i have not done so, myself, but it is my understanding that these cases are very rare.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 14, 2024 8:34:57 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Sept 14, 2024 8:17:33 GMT -5 scgal said:

So is abortion. Does your fucking brain work!

But you are trying to claim that abortion happens after birth. It does not. Not ever. Abortion and murder are not the same, despite how YOU personally view it.

moon- it is apparently not only scgal that believes this.  Donald Trump implied the same understanding during the debate.

if Trump wanted to say that "killing the baby in the 3rd trimester is no different than killing it after it is born", that is a topic worthy of debate, imo.  but that is NOT what he said.  he said that people are essentially killing babies after they are born.  and yes, that is murder.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 14, 2024 10:15:50 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Sept 13, 2024 21:06:00 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

The woman who wrote one of the early Facebook posts about her neighbors cat maybe eaten by an immigrant has regrets:

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/-just-exploded-springfield-woman-says-never-meant-spark-rumors-haitian-rcna171099

It wasn’t actually someone she knew - more of a friend of a friend.

Now the local schools had to shut down due to threats of violence.

Actually it was the casual acquaintance of a friend of her neighbors.

it was the DAUGHTER of a friend of their neighbors.  i believe she was a teenager.

this reminds me VERY MUCH of the woman who started the rumor about voting machines.  this is where she got her information:


she based her now nationally prominent ideas about election fraud on a wide variety of sources, including hidden messages she detects in films, song lyrics she hears on the radio, and overheard conversations she hears while in line at the supermarket checkout.

this is the same bullcrap that started the 2000 mules nonsense, and has led to something like 2/3 of Republican voters thinking that there was election fraud.

you (Republicans) need to vet your sources way better.

[tallguy]

Anyone who is having an abortion by choice is doing it WAY before nine months.  Abortions being performed at that time are because the fetus is no longer viable or because they are protecting the life of the mother.  Only the criminally stupid or twisted believe otherwise.  

Everybody has a right to their beliefs.  It's a free country and you are allowed to be stupid.  You are not entitled to make up your own "facts" or to demonize others because you believe things that are flat-out wrong.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 14, 2024 10:50:45 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

But trump is special. You don't apply normal rules or laws to him. He brags about a financial degree yet doesn't understand how the exchanges work.

well, to be fair, he graduated in 1968.  most of us weren't even born then.  he has long forgotten everything he learned.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 14, 2024 15:05:29 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Anyone who is having an abortion by choice is doing it WAY before nine months.  Abortions being performed at that time are because the fetus is no longer viable or because they are protecting the life of the mother.  Only the criminally stupid or twisted believe otherwise.  

Everybody has a right to their beliefs.  It's a free country and you are allowed to be stupid.  You are not entitled to make up your own "facts" or to demonize others because you believe things that are flat-out wrong.

99.6% of all abortions are done before 21 weeks gestaton.

i have not looked into the stats of those done after 21 weeks.  have you?

[djAdvocate]

here is an overview of the lies during the debate:

Trump = 31
Harris = 1

(she lied about unemployment being the worst since the Great Depression when Biden took over. that is not true. it was the worst since the Great Depression during his ADMINISTRATION, however)

[Opti]

I think some people prefer to believe the lies.

Abortions later in pregnancy are incredibly rare. In 2021, approximately 93% of abortions in the U.S. occurred at or before 13 weeks’ gestation, while only 0.9% occurred at 21 weeks or later, according to the latest available data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Nearly 45% were at or before six weeks gestation.

“Patients who are laboring at term are never having an abortion,” said Sarah Prager, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Washington. “They are having a delivery.”

Parents whose babies are born with a low probability of survival then make decisions about whether to provide palliative care or to take extraordinary measures to save them.

apnews.com/article/fact-check-ralph-northam-virginia-abortion-952598071326

Trump is wrong, but he likes to intentionally mislead to suck in the gullible. Yes, Virginia sometimes babies are born that cannot survive outside the womb. Palliative care basically is hospice care for babies. They are made comfortable until they pass of natural causes. Or heroic expensive measures can be employed. Not all babies can be saved, which realistic practical people know.

[happyhoix]

Sept 14, 2024 10:50:45 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

But trump is special. You don't apply normal rules or laws to him. He brags about a financial degree yet doesn't understand how the exchanges work.

He doesn’t understand how tariffs work, either.

I think he might have paid other people to take his classes for him.

[tallguy]

Sept 14, 2024 15:07:52 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 14, 2024 15:05:29 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Anyone who is having an abortion by choice is doing it WAY before nine months.  Abortions being performed at that time are because the fetus is no longer viable or because they are protecting the life of the mother.  Only the criminally stupid or twisted believe otherwise.  

Everybody has a right to their beliefs.  It's a free country and you are allowed to be stupid.  You are not entitled to make up your own "facts" or to demonize others because you believe things that are flat-out wrong.

99.6% of all abortions are done before 21 weeks gestaton.

i have not looked into the stats of those done after 21 weeks.  have you?

I don't know where those statistics (the number of ninth-month abortions done for the sole reason of personal choice) could be found, but the facts are that even if there is no state law specifically banning the procedure, you would be very hard-pressed to find anyone to actually perform it.  If someone is going to remain physically invested in their pregnancy for that long a time, they are undoubtedly both mentally and emotionally invested in it as well.  The woman WANTS the baby, but fate intervenes in some way.  NOBODY is going to go through nine months of pregnancy and then decide, "Nah, hell with it!" 

More right-wing insanity to think this actually happens.    

[djAdvocate]

i think that hospitals note the reasons for any abortions that take place after 21 weeks.

but i might be mistaken.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 14, 2024 15:23:16 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Sept 14, 2024 10:50:45 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

But trump is special. You don't apply normal rules or laws to him. He brags about a financial degree yet doesn't understand how the exchanges work.

He doesn’t understand how tariffs work, either.

I think he might have paid other people to take his classes for him.

i doubt he was a very good student.

[chiver78]

Sept 14, 2024 15:05:29 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Anyone who is having an abortion by choice is doing it WAY before nine months.  Abortions being performed at that time are because the fetus is no longer viable or because they are protecting the life of the mother.  Only the criminally stupid or twisted believe otherwise.  

Everybody has a right to their beliefs.  It's a free country and you are allowed to be stupid.  You are not entitled to make up your own "facts" or to demonize others because you believe things that are flat-out wrong.

👏👏👏👏👏 this.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Sept 14, 2024 15:06:51 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 14, 2024 10:50:45 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

But trump is special. You don't apply normal rules or laws to him. He brags about a financial degree yet doesn't understand how the exchanges work.

well, to be fair, he graduated in 1968.  most of us weren't even born then.  he has long forgotten everything he learned.

Hey I graduated with an EE from Drexel in 1970 and remember everything.