The Trump/HarrisDebate

[tallguy]

Sept 13, 2024 10:22:19 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 13, 2024 7:29:25 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

A potential president should not be sharing wild, unconfirmed reports, especially during a presidential debate on important topics, with tens of thousands watching. If I'm to assume he is a serious candidate, and am evaluating his performance by watching the debate, I am going to assume anything he says should be valid.

A presidential candidate IMO should not be throwing out today's crazy internet memes as part of his answers. It makes me question his judgement, his intelligence, his grasp on reality.

sure they should that is the perfect time. Throw as much stuff out there as possible. If there is just 1 person who reported that their pet is missing and claimed an illegal eating pets even if found untrue he should say hey there are reports of illegals eating pets. Dems do this all the time. 

You may claim to not be a Trump supporter, but you fit in extremely well with them.  You've got the lack of intelligence, integrity, and judgment parts down pat.  

[Tiny]

Sept 13, 2024 10:22:19 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 13, 2024 7:29:25 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

A potential president should not be sharing wild, unconfirmed reports, especially during a presidential debate on important topics, with tens of thousands watching. If I'm to assume he is a serious candidate, and am evaluating his performance by watching the debate, I am going to assume anything he says should be valid.

A presidential candidate IMO should not be throwing out today's crazy internet memes as part of his answers. It makes me question his judgement, his intelligence, his grasp on reality.

sure they should that is the perfect time. Throw as much stuff out there as possible. If there is just 1 person who reported that their pet is missing and claimed an illegal eating pets even if found untrue he should say hey there are reports of illegals eating pets. Dems do this all the time. 

Do you mean the Democratic "lies" about the economy and inflation? The "lies" about the job market?  The "lies" about foreign policy?   the "lies" about immigration?   Wouldn't he have been better served retorting with something against all the Democratic lies? 

What was trump doing - turning the debate into a pissing match?   "I can spread better falsehoods than you can!  Listen to this about people eating pets and babies being aborted after birth!??   That sure beats your lie about Inflation going down!  Or that the economy isn't that bad!  Or that border control and immigration has tightened up!  Immigrants EATING PETS!! Take that! " 

It was a nationally televised debate - why didn't he talk more about his policies when he took the bait Kamala threw at him?    Doesn't he need to win over undecided voters who might not have heard about what he will do as president/what his policies are?    Doesn't he need to keep/get the vote of moderate Republicans?      Where is that super smart "business man" skills he use tell everyone he had? 


Why did trump sink so low as to do what "Dems do all the time"     

[Opti]

Sept 13, 2024 12:38:43 GMT -5 Tiny said:

for the record. I am horribly biased. trump's dig at Haitian immigrants hit a little too close to home for me. I have an immigrant Haitian nephew-in-law and a grand niece and grand nephew. My Niece loves her hubby and children. I love my niece (and her hubby and children).  I can only imagine the bullying and side eye they are all getting now - even more so than in the past for being a biracial couple with children. 


At this point - trump and the rest of the Republican party can all just drop dead and burn in a more horrible hell than Christians can imagine for all I care.

So sorry. I remember food from Haitians working on the AL side of my old job and what I remember is lots of fish and even vegetarian food. Sometimes pork and chicken. Seemed like a very strange choice IMO to accuse them of eating pets. But Vance and Trump love making other people's lives miserable so they can sell the immigrant hate and hopefully get elected on it.

Just say no IMO and let them work for Putin if they can't find better things to do with their time.

[Tennesseer]

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2024 6:40:56 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

So this is why trump lost the debate. (Musical interlude at bottom of post.)

MAGA Pastor Claims Kamala Harris Deployed 'Witchcraft' in Trump Debate

MAGA pastor and evangelical leader Lance Wallnau has accused Kamala Harris of using "witchcraft" during Tuesday's presidential debate.

In a series of posts on X (formerly Twitter), Wallnau claimed that the vice president used supernatural manipulation to gain the upper hand in her combative showdown with the former president.

"When I say 'witchcraft,' I am talking about what happened tonight. Occult-empowered deception, manipulation, and domination," Wallnau wrote early Wednesday morning, following the debate.

Wallnau, a prominent figure in the pro-Trump evangelical movement, has long portrayed the former president as a divinely chosen leader tasked with saving America from what he describes as a spiritual and political decline.

Rest of article here: MAGA Pastor Claims Kamala Harris Deployed 'Witchcraft' in Trump Debate

good reason to vote for her.
she will use her powers to keep America safe.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2024 7:02:22 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 11, 2024 18:01:40 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

It also means she isn’t an idiot which is what scgal and conservatives have been saying about her, since she “held her own” with Trump.

But I guess claiming illegal inmigrants stealing pets and eating them, delusional as that is, is not disqualifying. Imagine the hew and cry if Biden said that at the last debate. People would rightfully say he clearly has advanced dementia, but Trump gets a pass. Unbelievable.

This shows how unhinged you really are. Trump said there were reports of illegals eating cats and dogs he never said it was true or false. 

he said, and i quote "they are eating dogs".  when he was challenged on it, he said that he had seen it on TV, which doesn't sound like someone who is suggesting something MIGHT be happening.  he then said he would look into it, and in subsequent TS posts, he has posted memes of him rescuing kitties and ducks, and made the same claims at rallies.

if he doesn't think it is true, he sure is investing a lot of energy in a rumor.  it is easier to believe that he believes it.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2024 8:54:13 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Sept 13, 2024 8:43:13 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

That was a personal attack and not something a moderator can really fact check like "States are allowing post-birth abortions".  Thankfully, Kamala can take those kind of petty insults without going off the rails.

Compare that to the thin skinned Trump. Within 15 minutes of the debate starting Harris baited him about his rallies and instead of blowing it off he took the bait and ran with it. Over and over she goaded him and he repeatedly got unhinged- proof he’s not capable of dealing with other world leaders who might also goad him.

spectacularly unpresidential, embarrassing, and above all, weak.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2024 7:29:25 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Sept 13, 2024 7:02:22 GMT -5 scgal said:

This shows how unhinged you really are. Trump said there were reports of illegals eating cats and dogs he never said it was true or false. Its funny how you would harp on that but Trump also said she puts out yet I don't see where anyone complains he said that. Probably don't want to fact check that one. Trump does not have dementia clearly you and most here wouldn't notice it because we have been saying it about Biden for over a year and it was no no no. Trump is smart not to do another debate time to keep focusing on swing states. I will stay with my prediction Kamala will win the majority and Trump will win the electoral. I will admit it is going to be a tight one

A potential president should not be sharing wild, unconfirmed reports, especially during a presidential debate on important topics, with tens of thousands MILLIONS watching. If I'm to assume he is a serious candidate, and am evaluating his performance by watching the debate, I am going to assume anything he says should be valid.

A presidential candidate IMO should not be throwing out today's crazy internet memes as part of his answers. It makes me question his judgement, his intelligence, his grasp on reality.

small correction.
67.1 million, at last count.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 13, 2024 14:20:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 13, 2024 7:02:22 GMT -5 scgal said:

This shows how unhinged you really are. Trump said there were reports of illegals eating cats and dogs he never said it was true or false. 

he said, and i quote "they are eating dogs".  when he was challenged on it, he said that he had seen it on TV, which doesn't sound like someone who is suggesting something MIGHT be happening.  he then said he would look into it, and in subsequent TS posts, he has posted memes of him rescuing kitties and ducks, and made the same claims at rallies.

if he doesn't think it is true, he sure is investing a lot of energy in a rumor.  it is easier to believe that he believes it.

trump is also investing a lot of energy with one of his his bigliest lies that he won the debate with Harris.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2024 7:37:39 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Sept 13, 2024 7:02:22 GMT -5 scgal said:

This shows how unhinged you really are. Trump said there were reports of illegals eating cats and dogs he never said it was true or false. Its funny how you would harp on that but Trump also said she puts out yet I don't see where anyone complains he said that. Probably don't want to fact check that one. Trump does not have dementia clearly you and most here wouldn't notice it because we have been saying it about Biden for over a year and it was no no no. Trump is smart not to do another debate time to keep focusing on swing states. I will stay with my prediction Kamala will win the majority and Trump will win the electoral. I will admit it is going to be a tight one

But there WEREN'T reports of illegals eating pets and he continues to say so on social media and in front of crowds even after it's been debunked.

“A recording of 911 calls show that residents are reporting that the migrants are walking off with the town’s geese. They’re taking the geese. You know where the geese are? In the park, in the lake. And even walking off with their pets. ‘My dog’s been taken. My dog’s been stolen,” Trump said Thursday night in Arizona.

And instead of reversing course, Trump is further attaching himself to the pet hoax. On Thursday, he posted five digitally doctored photos on Truth Social depicting cats supporting or being rescued by Trump — including a cat at a Trump rally holding a sign that read “Kamala hates me.”

link

that is because he is utterly incapable of admitting he is wrong.  another sign of weakness.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2024 8:54:13 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Sept 13, 2024 8:43:13 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

That was a personal attack and not something a moderator can really fact check like "States are allowing post-birth abortions".  Thankfully, Kamala can take those kind of petty insults without going off the rails.

Compare that to the thin skinned Trump. Within 15 minutes of the debate starting Harris baited him about his rallies and instead of blowing it off he took the bait and ran with it. Over and over she goaded him and he repeatedly got unhinged- proof he’s not capable of dealing with other world leaders who might also goad him.

the look on her face told it all.

"that sure was easy".

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2024 10:22:19 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 13, 2024 7:29:25 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

A potential president should not be sharing wild, unconfirmed reports, especially during a presidential debate on important topics, with tens of thousands watching. If I'm to assume he is a serious candidate, and am evaluating his performance by watching the debate, I am going to assume anything he says should be valid.

A presidential candidate IMO should not be throwing out today's crazy internet memes as part of his answers. It makes me question his judgement, his intelligence, his grasp on reality.

sure they should that is the perfect time. Throw as much stuff out there as possible. If there is just 1 person who reported that their pet is missing and claimed an illegal eating pets even if found untrue he should say hey there are reports of illegals eating pets. Dems do this all the time. 

examples?  preferably from the debate.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2024 10:25:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 13, 2024 9:00:51 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Wait a minute...maybe it is true!

Again Trump is right. There are 8 states with no term limit on abortions which means right up until birth. Trump keeps making Dems look like shit (not really that hard to do actually)

right.  but Trump claimed AFTER birth.  that is false.

oh, and btw, we are talking about about 4000 abortions that are done after viability (21 weeks).  and yeah, that is a lot of killing of viable fetuses.  but it is not infanticide.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2024 11:29:42 GMT -5 Tiny said:

I wasn't quite sure why trump latched on to the "eating pets" thing. I'm guessing his handlers thought it was important and prepped him with that information before the debate. I doubt trump pulled that part of his speech out of his ass as an ad lib.    It seemed like a very odd thing for trump to highlight to 60million viewers. 

wait......are we talking about the same Donald Trump?

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2024 14:24:05 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 13, 2024 14:20:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he said, and i quote "they are eating dogs".  when he was challenged on it, he said that he had seen it on TV, which doesn't sound like someone who is suggesting something MIGHT be happening.  he then said he would look into it, and in subsequent TS posts, he has posted memes of him rescuing kitties and ducks, and made the same claims at rallies.

if he doesn't think it is true, he sure is investing a lot of energy in a rumor.  it is easier to believe that he believes it.

trump is also investing a lot of energy with one of his his bigliest lies that he won the debate with Harris.

that is what his cult wants to believe.
it is all he has left, Tenn.

[Opti]

Sept 13, 2024 7:49:37 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

I just can't tell if the Republican party is for or against cats here (obviously a very important issue in the US).  One minute Vance is denouncing the childless cat ladies and the next minute Trump is making Harris's hatred of cats a central point in his campaign.

They love creating drama. I do not remember Harris talking about cats, dogs, ducks, or even reptiles. Is this how lame the GOP under Trump has become?

[Opti]

Sept 13, 2024 6:40:56 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

So this is why trump lost the debate. (Musical interlude at bottom of post.)

MAGA Pastor Claims Kamala Harris Deployed 'Witchcraft' in Trump Debate

MAGA pastor and evangelical leader Lance Wallnau has accused Kamala Harris of using "witchcraft" during Tuesday's presidential debate.

In a series of posts on X (formerly Twitter), Wallnau claimed that the vice president used supernatural manipulation to gain the upper hand in her combative showdown with the former president.

"When I say 'witchcraft,' I am talking about what happened tonight. Occult-empowered deception, manipulation, and domination," Wallnau wrote early Wednesday morning, following the debate.

Wallnau, a prominent figure in the pro-Trump evangelical movement, has long portrayed the former president as a divinely chosen leader tasked with saving America from what he describes as a spiritual and political decline.

Rest of article here: MAGA Pastor Claims Kamala Harris Deployed 'Witchcraft' in Trump Debate

He is a crazy guy and unfortunately not in a good way. Apparently, this guy is one of the many false prophets selling their folks on the idea God wants Trump in the WH. One of the big things i remember from my Lutheran education was that God does not like mucking with things of man like governments generally. And this guy believes media, entertainment, and business are to be mucked with as well? I don't know who he is talking to, but it is not a God against false idols. 


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Wallnau

Before turning to religion Wallnau was involved in oil marketing in Texas.[2]



During a meeting between Loren Cunningham and Lance Wallnau in 2000, Cunningham told Wallnau about a message from God delivered to Cunningham, Bill Bright, and Francis Schaeffer in 1975 ordering them to invade the "seven spheres" of society identified as family, religion, education, media, entertainment, business, and government.[3] The Seven Mountain Mandate movement came to prominence after the 2013 publication of Wallnau's and Bill Johnson's book Invading Babylon: The 7 Mountain Mandate.[4]



In 2016 Wallnau released a book called God's Chaos Candidate in which he prophesied that Donald Trump would win the election.[5]



Wallnau is a member of the Eagles' Vision Apostolic Team, a group of leaders associated with the New Apostolic Reformation.[2] Within the movement Wallnau is considered a prophet.[6]

[Tennesseer]

Sept 13, 2024 11:29:42 GMT -5 Tiny said:

I wasn't quite sure why trump latched on to the "eating pets" thing. I'm guessing his handlers thought it was important and prepped him with that information before the debate. I doubt trump pulled that part of his speech out of his ass as an ad lib.    It seemed like a very odd thing for trump to highlight to 60million viewers. 

Rebecca Watson talks about where the "immigrants eating pets" started.  And on the immigrants are killing our children theme:  She also shows the full speech by Aiden Clark's parents if you haven't heard/seen it.  For the conservatives on the board - if nothing else listen to Mr. Clark's speech it's short and heart felt. 






And now, with some background on the "lie" and knowing trump has lots and lots of racist friends and contributors it makes more sense. 

Thank you for posting the video, Tiny. Mr. Clark's speech was heartfelt and needed.

[dondubble]

Sept 13, 2024 15:03:05 GMT -5 Opti said:

Sept 13, 2024 6:40:56 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

So this is why trump lost the debate. (Musical interlude at bottom of post.)

MAGA Pastor Claims Kamala Harris Deployed 'Witchcraft' in Trump Debate

MAGA pastor and evangelical leader Lance Wallnau has accused Kamala Harris of using "witchcraft" during Tuesday's presidential debate.

In a series of posts on X (formerly Twitter), Wallnau claimed that the vice president used supernatural manipulation to gain the upper hand in her combative showdown with the former president.

"When I say 'witchcraft,' I am talking about what happened tonight. Occult-empowered deception, manipulation, and domination," Wallnau wrote early Wednesday morning, following the debate.

Wallnau, a prominent figure in the pro-Trump evangelical movement, has long portrayed the former president as a divinely chosen leader tasked with saving America from what he describes as a spiritual and political decline.

Rest of article here: MAGA Pastor Claims Kamala Harris Deployed 'Witchcraft' in Trump Debate

He is a crazy guy and unfortunately not in a good way. Apparently, this guy is one of the many false prophets selling their folks on the idea God wants Trump in the WH. One of the big things i remember from my Lutheran education was that God does not like mucking with things of man like governments generally. And this guy believes media, entertainment, and business are to be mucked with as well? I don't know who he is talking to, but it is not a God against false idols. 


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Wallnau

Before turning to religion Wallnau was involved in oil marketing in Texas.[2]



During a meeting between Loren Cunningham and Lance Wallnau in 2000, Cunningham told Wallnau about a message from God delivered to Cunningham, Bill Bright, and Francis Schaeffer in 1975 ordering them to invade the "seven spheres" of society identified as family, religion, education, media, entertainment, business, and government.[3] The Seven Mountain Mandate movement came to prominence after the 2013 publication of Wallnau's and Bill Johnson's book Invading Babylon: The 7 Mountain Mandate.[4]



In 2016 Wallnau released a book called God's Chaos Candidate in which he prophesied that Donald Trump would win the election.[5]



Wallnau is a member of the Eagles' Vision Apostolic Team, a group of leaders associated with the New Apostolic Reformation.[2] Within the movement Wallnau is considered a prophet.[6]

[djAdvocate]

i heard the Adon Clark thing yesterday.
it is sick what the right does to score points.


seriously sick.

and yeah, if the left did this, i would say the same thing.

[Tennesseer]

trump had a plan,
but the dog ate it,
then someone ate the dog,
so now it's just a concept of a plan.

[Tennesseer]

[happyhoix]

The woman who wrote one of the early Facebook posts about her neighbors cat maybe eaten by an immigrant has regrets:

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/-just-exploded-springfield-woman-says-never-meant-spark-rumors-haitian-rcna171099

It wasn’t actually someone she knew - more of a friend of a friend.

Now the local schools had to shut down due to threats of violence.

[NastyWoman]

Sept 13, 2024 12:09:33 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Sept 13, 2024 10:18:37 GMT -5 scgal said:

I watched and listened after his first claim and the moderator said it was false he said there were reports and there were they may have been false but there were reports.

scgal, have you wondered WHY trump brought up that people were eating pets? Why did trump think it was important to say it? What did he want to accomplish by saying it AND then defending that saying it wasn't wrong (as in he said well it could be true I heard it on TV.)? trump is suppose to be a super smart 'businessman' which implies he's got super tactical/strategic skills. What did repeating an internet meme about immigrants accomplish for him? Did you KNOW he was referencing an internet meme about immigrant Haitians eating people's pets in Springfield Ohio before you heard the words out of trump's mouth during the debate?

What did you as a conservative trump voter take away from this part of his reply in the debate?

That's really the heart of the matter.


(if it was about the Border and immigration in America - why didn't he talk about how he would accomplish deporting millions of immigrants and the expenses invovled?  Where would the money to do this come from?   Why didn't he address why when during Biden's term he actively asked the Republicans  to NOT approve Biden's immigration legistlation even though it was literally what they wanted? ) 

And more importantly, why didn't HE solve this problem while he was in the WH? Let's not forget that he solved none of the problems, whether they are real or just live in his deluded mind, during his one (and hopefully only, term in power.

[Opti]

Sept 13, 2024 21:06:00 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

The woman who wrote one of the early Facebook posts about her neighbors cat maybe eaten by an immigrant has regrets:

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/-just-exploded-springfield-woman-says-never-meant-spark-rumors-haitian-rcna171099

It wasn’t actually someone she knew - more of a friend of a friend.

Now the local schools had to shut down due to threats of violence.

Thanks for the article. I don't believe her though. She's repenting because she feels in danger now. I can hope in the future she won't post a rumor she has no firsthand knowledge of. 

I hope things can calm down soon there.

[scgal]

Sept 13, 2024 14:34:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 13, 2024 10:25:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

Again Trump is right. There are 8 states with no term limit on abortions which means right up until birth. Trump keeps making Dems look like shit (not really that hard to do actually)

right.  but Trump claimed AFTER birth.  that is false.

oh, and btw, we are talking about about 4000 abortions that are done after viability (21 weeks).  and yeah, that is a lot of killing of viable fetuses.  but it is not infanticide.

No it doesn't it can mean after birth. Hell he even told about the gov who supported it. Lets face it Dems are baby killer period

[moon/Laura]

Sept 14, 2024 8:06:20 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 13, 2024 14:34:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

right.  but Trump claimed AFTER birth.  that is false.

oh, and btw, we are talking about about 4000 abortions that are done after viability (21 weeks).  and yeah, that is a lot of killing of viable fetuses.  but it is not infanticide.

No it doesn't it can mean after birth. Hell he even told about the gov who supported it. Lets face it Dems are baby killer period

OMG would you use your fucking brain?! There's NO SUCH THING as an after birth abortion. Killing a baby after it's been born is called *murder*.

[scgal]

Sept 14, 2024 8:10:00 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Sept 14, 2024 8:06:20 GMT -5 scgal said:

No it doesn't it can mean after birth. Hell he even told about the gov who supported it. Lets face it Dems are baby killer period

OMG would you use your fucking brain?! There's NO SUCH THING as an after birth abortion. Killing a baby after it's been born is called *murder*.

So is abortion. Does your fucking brain work!

[happyhoix]

Laura Loomer got more loony - immigrants are eating people now.

www.joemygod.com/2024/09/laura-loomer-haitian-immigrants-are-eating-humans/

I can’t figure out why Trump (or the people that surround Trump) allow this person to stay so close to Trump. She doesn’t bring a single thing to the team; she’s actually nothing but negatives - fighting with other GOP members and broadcasting absurd conspiracy shit.

There are rumors out there in social media that Loomer is having an affair with Trump. These are fueled by videos of the two of them hugging, Trump rubbing her back, and some of her social media posts (like the one that claimed when Trump was shot the only person he wanted around him was Loomer, and they had to bump some of the staff off Trump One so there would be space for Loomer so she could stay right at his side).

I don’t care what they do in private. Trump is a well known womanizer, so no one can be surprised if he’s cheating on Melania, least of all Melania. (Although it would help explain why she’s absent from his campaign most of the time). What is interesting to me, though, is if he is ignoring all the GOPers around him who are telling him to shove this loon to the road because she’s damaging his campaign. Surely it must be clear to him what a nut job she is - if he is failing to give her her walking papers is related to her willingness to sleep with him, that just confirms for me how cognitively impaired he is. He really, really needs to win this election, not for the good of the country but to help himself out with all his legal problems, and he really can’t afford to literally screw around.

Of course, if he is allowing this lunatic to run his campaign for him, that just helps Harris get elected, so I’m not complaining. I really don’t need the mental picture of them together, though. I need think of some puppies and kittens for a bit.

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 14, 2024 8:06:20 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 13, 2024 14:34:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

right.  but Trump claimed AFTER birth.  that is false.

oh, and btw, we are talking about about 4000 abortions that are done after viability (21 weeks).  and yeah, that is a lot of killing of viable fetuses.  but it is not infanticide.

No it doesn't it can mean after birth. Hell he even told about the gov who supported it. Lets face it Dems are baby killer period

You cannot be this stupid. Killing a child after birth is called infantacide. That is illegal. So if a newborn is born with a nonsurvivable birth defect because abortion is illegal, parents are not allowed to choose whether to pursue aggressive vs comfort care. So much for keeping the government out of our lives. And who is going to pay the potential 6 figure hospital bill, since you do not believe that the government should be paying for healthcare