How Donold Trump will overthrow the 2024 Election

[scgal]

Aug 21, 2024 6:33:52 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 21, 2024 6:30:05 GMT -5 scgal said:

The DCNG may be called into federal service by the president or Congress why didn't Congress do it? Trump had no responsibility. He watched it is speculated he let it unfold to show the democrats it is all their fault. 

You are seriously delusional. How is it the Democrats fault that a bunch of crazy conservatives rioted and destroyed the Capitol. Is nothing Trump’s responsibility? Congress cannot call up the National Guard. In states it is the governors responsibility. The DCNG call up falls to the president. Again, you think the riot should have gone all night? Seriously, you call yourself a law and order American. No real American who watched what unfolded that day is proud of what was done. Are you ?

I understand why it happened not proud of it. You might want to look up how the DCNG, you don't understand how it works

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 21, 2024 6:44:24 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 21, 2024 6:33:52 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

You are seriously delusional. How is it the Democrats fault that a bunch of crazy conservatives rioted and destroyed the Capitol. Is nothing Trump’s responsibility? Congress cannot call up the National Guard. In states it is the governors responsibility. The DCNG call up falls to the president. Again, you think the riot should have gone all night? Seriously, you call yourself a law and order American. No real American who watched what unfolded that day is proud of what was done. Are you ?

I understand why it happened not proud of it. You might want to look up how the DCNG, you don't understand how it works

Well according to the DC National Guards website, it reports only to the president, who delegates the authority to the Secretary of defense, who the delegates it to the Secretary of ghe Army. But hey, what does their official website know.

You have a legitimate source that says differently?

dang.mil

ETA: if you aren’t proud of it, why did you say he should have let it go all night? To teach “liberals” a lesson by terrorizing them? Or so they could have hung Pence to prevent the certification?

[happyhoix]

Aug 21, 2024 6:36:50 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 20, 2024 17:05:11 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Two votes would not have made a difference in the outcome of the vote. You don’t certify elections if there is evidence of widespread fraud/voter suppression, not for just two dead people voting. 

If I’m not mistaken, they did find a few fraudulent voters, and almost all of them were republicans. Still didn’t impact who won, in the end. 

I think they had to recount like four times. It was ridiculous - Trump was using his standard policy of delay, delay, delay, hoping that would give him time to figure out a way to overturn the vote - one person shouldn’t be able to hold up the legal process because he’s pissed. 

THis will happen again, this year. Any state Trump loses, he’ll want an endless number of recounts while he screams about fake votes. It’s just what he does. 

Its actulally simple. I don't care if the fraudulent votes are republican or Democrate if a state has even 1 fraudulent vote the state cannot certify. The reasoning is if there is 1 there can be thousands that they may not even be able to find this will put the pressure on each state to make sure their system is secure. 

If we went by your rules we would never elect anyone again. With hundreds of thousands of people in each state you are bound to have a few errors - like a person early voting and then dying.

There have been hundreds of reviews over the decades of our voting systems and they always come back with very few issues. You think otherwise because Trump has bitched about corrupt voting systems since the day he came down his golden escalator. It’s one of most frequent and most damaging lies he tells.

[pulmonarymd]

Nothing is ever perfect. There will be a degree of error in counting votes. I’m sure that scgal was fine with the Supreme Court decision that led to the election of GWB. That election was within the margin of error. Instead of redoing the election. We called it for Bush. But that is different because it had the “right” outcome

[happyhoix]

Aug 21, 2024 6:32:35 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 20, 2024 17:16:35 GMT -5 Opti said:

Trump designed the entire rally along with a cast of characters including Rudy to whip up the crowd and cause what happened. They started planning this before Trump formally lost the election. People chartered planes, buses, booked hotel rooms etc. Trump did not put out campaign directives for people to call their representatives with questions. He wanted the physical intimidation factor of numbers of people to scare federal lawmakers on J6 in specific. If he couldn't win fairly, he was willing to try all different ways to accomplish that goal.

Is there phyiscal proof he designed it?

Yes. There is proof that there was a group of people, including Bannon and Roger Stone, staged at a nearby hotel, contacting both the far right militias like the proud boys and the White House. Coordinating actions.

Google it.

[billisonboard]

Aug 21, 2024 6:36:50 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 20, 2024 17:05:11 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Two votes would not have made a difference in the outcome of the vote. You don’t certify elections if there is evidence of widespread fraud/voter suppression, not for just two dead people voting. 

If I’m not mistaken, they did find a few fraudulent voters, and almost all of them were republicans. Still didn’t impact who won, in the end. 

I think they had to recount like four times. It was ridiculous - Trump was using his standard policy of delay, delay, delay, hoping that would give him time to figure out a way to overturn the vote - one person shouldn’t be able to hold up the legal process because he’s pissed. 

THis will happen again, this year. Any state Trump loses, he’ll want an endless number of recounts while he screams about fake votes. It’s just what he does. 

Its actulally simple. I don't care if the fraudulent votes are republican or Democrate if a state has even 1 fraudulent vote the state cannot certify. The reasoning is if there is 1 there can be thousands that they may not even be able to find this will put the pressure on each state to make sure their system is secure. 

I will ask again. What happens following the non-certification of the vote?

Here is how it can play out in my state: It is discovered that a person completed a ballot, mailed it in and it was received the week before election day, the signature on the outer envelope was verified, the outer envelope is opened and the inner envelope is removed and shuffled in with multiple other ballots, then the inner envelope is opened and the ballot is removed and stacked with other ballots to be counted on election eve. The person dies the day before the election. There is no way to identify and remove the person's ballot from the stack. So there is 1 fraudulent vote and thus the vote can not be certified. What happens next?

Now it would be possible to narrow it down to the votes in a particular precinct. So do we not certify just those votes, disenfranchising that group of American citizens? Perhaps the whole county? How about the whole state? Do we run a whole new election, hoping that something similar doesn't happen again? 

It is easy to say,  "Don't  certify." The challenge is in what to do next. Obviously if the evidence suggests that the final result is in question, more serious steps need to be taken. But when the evidence shows the the fraudulent votes can't change the results, does it make sense to toss out the results? I question taking that step..

[minnesotapaintlady]

Aug 21, 2024 6:30:05 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 20, 2024 16:13:45 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

They were asking for help from the DC National Guard. The only one who could activate them was the President.

Try again to show that Trump had no responsibility

The DCNG may be called into federal service by the president or Congress why didn't Congress do it? Trump had no responsibility. He watched it is speculated he let it unfold to show the democrats it is all their fault. 

If memory serves me right, Congress was running for their lives that day.

[tallguy]

Aug 21, 2024 6:41:30 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 20, 2024 17:37:34 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Even better, if two people commit gun crimes we should stop allowing gun ownership.  

We can start to look at that when you have to have a background check for voting like you do gun ownership. Hell the Democrats don't even want an Id to vote. Not the same thing. 

Go further.  Require a mental evaluation to be able to vote.  Anyone who has ever supported Donald Trump would have their privilege immediately and permanently revoked.   

[scgal]

Aug 21, 2024 6:59:12 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Aug 21, 2024 6:32:35 GMT -5 scgal said:

Is there phyiscal proof he designed it?

Yes. There is proof that there was a group of people, including Bannon and Roger Stone, staged at a nearby hotel, contacting both the far right militias like the proud boys and the White House. Coordinating actions.

Google it.

Ok was it Trump? No it wasn't I don't care who it was unless he said go do it, it does not connect to him. 

[Opti]

Aug 21, 2024 8:51:14 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Aug 21, 2024 6:30:05 GMT -5 scgal said:

The DCNG may be called into federal service by the president or Congress why didn't Congress do it? Trump had no responsibility. He watched it is speculated he let it unfold to show the democrats it is all their fault. 

If memory serves me right, Congress was running for their lives that day.

Because Trump actively put crosshairs on Pence's back, and yes scgal there is proof he did this with his own mouth multiple times, Pence did not even trust the Secret Service to take him to safety. 

Some in Congress choose to blank out those memories, but they will come back. The smarter ones have dealt with it and prepared like Pelosi, Schumer and others.

[scgal]

Aug 21, 2024 6:49:25 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 21, 2024 6:44:24 GMT -5 scgal said:

I understand why it happened not proud of it. You might want to look up how the DCNG, you don't understand how it works

Well according to the DC National Guards website, it reports only to the president, who delegates the authority to the Secretary of defense, who the delegates it to the Secretary of ghe Army. But hey, what does their official website know.

You have a legitimate source that says differently?

dang.mil

ETA: if you aren’t proud of it, why did you say he should have let it go all night? To teach “liberals” a lesson by terrorizing them? Or so they could have hung Pence to prevent the certification?

I'm not proud of it. I can see if Trump didn't do anything the Democrats caused this riot it started with the bull crap impeachment over the perfectly legitimate phone call to Ukrane. Democrats started this shit and this is what they got. They may be a bunch of rednecks but they love this country more than any democrat. Congress could have still enacted the DCNG. 

[Opti]

Aug 21, 2024 6:32:35 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 20, 2024 17:16:35 GMT -5 Opti said:

Trump designed the entire rally along with a cast of characters including Rudy to whip up the crowd and cause what happened. They started planning this before Trump formally lost the election. People chartered planes, buses, booked hotel rooms etc. Trump did not put out campaign directives for people to call their representatives with questions. He wanted the physical intimidation factor of numbers of people to scare federal lawmakers on J6 in specific. If he couldn't win fairly, he was willing to try all different ways to accomplish that goal.

Is there phyiscal proof he designed it?

I believe so yes. Whatever he did not eat or flush down a toilet that is.  It will come up in a trial. Count on it. This was being reported on in December 2019 and I think as early as end of October of that year. (Major papers like WSJ, The Atlantic and other sources.)

[Opti]

Aug 21, 2024 11:17:10 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 21, 2024 6:49:25 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Well according to the DC National Guards website, it reports only to the president, who delegates the authority to the Secretary of defense, who the delegates it to the Secretary of ghe Army. But hey, what does their official website know.

You have a legitimate source that says differently?

dang.mil

ETA: if you aren’t proud of it, why did you say he should have let it go all night? To teach “liberals” a lesson by terrorizing them? Or so they could have hung Pence to prevent the certification?

I'm not proud of it. I can see if Trump didn't do anything the Democrats caused this riot it started with the bull crap impeachment over the perfectly legitimate phone call to Ukrane. Democrats started this shit and this is what they got. They may be a bunch of rednecks but they love this country more than any democrat. Congress could have still enacted the DCNG. 

No. Many times no. This was planned and it was planned entirely to steal a rightful election from the people and endow Trump with the Presidency. If you can't remember anything else try to remember that. This was not a spontaneous act, but something planned for months. 

[dondubble]

talkingpointsmemo.com/news/heres-the-7-part-plan-the-jan-6-committee-says-trump-followed-to-steal-power

[thyme4change]

Why does having a different view of what solutions the country should use make you hate America? I disagree with a lot of ideas on how to fix problems, but it doesn’t mean I think that person doesn’t love America. Maybe I have just noticed throughout my life that different ideas are good - even if some of them fail.

I will vote for people who want the same outcome as I do, and if they both want the same outcome, I will align with people who I believe have the best idea for achieving it. But, I don’t think the other candidate or the people that align with the other candidate don’t love the country. I even believe Donald Trump love America - I just don’t like the goals for improvement in some cases, and for those things that I do agree with, I don’t think his plans will succeed.

Even if Harris and Trump are both light on policy - which they are - I think they have both communicated what they believe is important and what they want the outcome to be. I like the vision Harris sets out - but I understand why others don’t. It doesn’t mean they are bad people or they are stupid or whatever - they just want to live in a different world.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 21, 2024 6:39:23 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 20, 2024 17:32:24 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

using your logic, if 2 people are wrongfully executed, we should stop executing people, yes?

That is interesting. Yet we have a process to help alleviate that. Appeals.

i didn't say sentenced to death.  i said executed.

there is no appealing death irl.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

the perfectly legitimate phone call to Ukrane.

Where he withheld Congressional funding as a threat for them to find dirt on Biden? 

[djAdvocate]

Aug 21, 2024 6:36:50 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 20, 2024 17:05:11 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Two votes would not have made a difference in the outcome of the vote. You don’t certify elections if there is evidence of widespread fraud/voter suppression, not for just two dead people voting. 

If I’m not mistaken, they did find a few fraudulent voters, and almost all of them were republicans. Still didn’t impact who won, in the end. 

I think they had to recount like four times. It was ridiculous - Trump was using his standard policy of delay, delay, delay, hoping that would give him time to figure out a way to overturn the vote - one person shouldn’t be able to hold up the legal process because he’s pissed. 

THis will happen again, this year. Any state Trump loses, he’ll want an endless number of recounts while he screams about fake votes. It’s just what he does. 

Its actulally simple. I don't care if the fraudulent votes are republican or Democrate if a state has even 1 fraudulent vote the state cannot certify. The reasoning is if there is 1 there can be thousands that they may not even be able to find this will put the pressure on each state to make sure their system is secure. 

that doesn't logically follow.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 21, 2024 6:41:30 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 20, 2024 17:37:34 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Even better, if two people commit gun crimes we should stop allowing gun ownership.  

We can start to look at that when you have to have a background check for voting like you do gun ownership. Hell the Democrats don't even want an Id to vote. Not the same thing. 

there is already a background check, scgal.  convicted felons are not allowed to vote in most states.  

[djAdvocate]

Aug 21, 2024 10:52:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 21, 2024 6:59:12 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Yes. There is proof that there was a group of people, including Bannon and Roger Stone, staged at a nearby hotel, contacting both the far right militias like the proud boys and the White House. Coordinating actions.

Google it.

Ok was it Trump? No it wasn't I don't care who it was unless he said go do it, it does not connect to him. 

this is why i am suggesting that we wait for this case to be adjudicated.  you can't say with any certainty whether Trump was involved or not.  neither can i.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Aug 21, 2024 11:38:32 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

the perfectly legitimate phone call to Ukrane.

Where he withheld Congressional funding as a threat for them to find dirt on Biden? 

Isn't this commonly called.....extortion?

[Opti]

Aug 21, 2024 11:38:32 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

the perfectly legitimate phone call to Ukrane.

Where he withheld Congressional funding as a threat for them to find dirt on Biden? 

The programming of the RW media is thorough and constant. The daily rewrites of history. The constant mapping of what Trump said and meant to something less harmful that the RW media consumers will believe.

[Opti]

Aug 21, 2024 11:48:24 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Aug 21, 2024 11:38:32 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Where he withheld Congressional funding as a threat for them to find dirt on Biden? 

Isn't this commonly called.....extortion?

If you aren't a RW media consumer who feels Trump does no wrong, you might realize it is generally against the law. Criminal.

[Tiny]

This is an opinion piece, but it more or less outlines one possible way Republicans could over throw the election results.
It has to do with election officials not certifying the vote.

And oddly enough Republicans have been practicing this process.

www.nytimes.com/2024/08/19/opinion/trump-election-vote-certification.html


Here's how it would work for the presidential election:

Imagine an election night this November in which the two parties are trading swing-state victories. The Democrats capture Nevada, while the Republicans take Arizona. The Republicans win the big prize of Pennsylvania, while the Democrats top them in Wisconsin and Michigan. The nation is waiting on Georgia. If Georgia goes red, it’s President Trump; if Georgia goes blue, it’s President Harris.

Then, local news headlines start to circulate. There are reports of unspecified “problems” in the vote in Fulton County. And in Gwinnett County. And in DeKalb, Coffee and Spalding Counties. Republican officials are refusing to certify the results in their counties. They say they are making “reasonable inquiries.”

As legal challenges wend through the courts, a wave of disinformation, confusion and propaganda swells, fueled by unproven claims that something is amiss in these Georgia counties, and also by similar noise — and possibly also certification refusals — in Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Mexico and Nevada. (All have seen local Republicans try the certification refusal ruse since 2020.)

The point of these certification refusals may not be to falsify or flip a result, but simply to prevent the emergence of one.

Under federal law, the executive of each state — either the governor or another designated official — has until Dec. 11 to send official, certified state results to Washington for the Electoral College count. But if that deadline is not met, then what? The law provides for an expedited appeals process in the courts that should be resolved before the Electoral College meets on Dec. 17. How the courts rule will be considered conclusive.

If, at the end of this process, one or more states still do not produce results, the number of electoral votes required to win a majority — and therefore the presidency — would be reduced accordingly. In the above-described hypothetical, Georgia refusing to finalize its results would reduce the total number of electoral votes needed to win to 262, from 270. Republicans would win with 265 electoral votes, to the Democrats’ 257.

I'm assuming both the GOP and Democrats are preparing for something like this to happen...


Can the Democrats use the same strategy to take the election from trump

[scgal]

Aug 21, 2024 11:38:32 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

the perfectly legitimate phone call to Ukrane.

Where he withheld Congressional funding as a threat for them to find dirt on Biden? 

Did he withhold it?

[scgal]

Aug 21, 2024 11:43:11 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 21, 2024 10:52:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

Ok was it Trump? No it wasn't I don't care who it was unless he said go do it, it does not connect to him. 

this is why i am suggesting that we wait for this case to be adjudicated.  you can't say with any certainty whether Trump was involved or not.  neither can i.

Exactly, others have him as guilty I have him as innocent until proven guilty.

[scgal]

Aug 21, 2024 11:48:24 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Aug 21, 2024 11:38:32 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Where he withheld Congressional funding as a threat for them to find dirt on Biden? 

Isn't this commonly called.....extortion?

He didn't even threaten it. He said the United States have been very good to Ukraine better than other European countries. That does not amount to extortion. People wonder why I don't trust democrats and take a perfectly fine phone call and twist it to mean something else. That impeachment was bogus. Democrats are worthless, lying turds

[scgal]

Aug 21, 2024 15:08:06 GMT -5 Tiny said:

This is an opinion piece, but it more or less outlines one possible way Republicans could over throw the election results.
It has to do with election officials not certifying the vote.

And oddly enough Republicans have been practicing this process.

www.nytimes.com/2024/08/19/opinion/trump-election-vote-certification.html


Here's how it would work for the presidential election:

Imagine an election night this November in which the two parties are trading swing-state victories. The Democrats capture Nevada, while the Republicans take Arizona. The Republicans win the big prize of Pennsylvania, while the Democrats top them in Wisconsin and Michigan. The nation is waiting on Georgia. If Georgia goes red, it’s President Trump; if Georgia goes blue, it’s President Harris.

Then, local news headlines start to circulate. There are reports of unspecified “problems” in the vote in Fulton County. And in Gwinnett County. And in DeKalb, Coffee and Spalding Counties. Republican officials are refusing to certify the results in their counties. They say they are making “reasonable inquiries.”

As legal challenges wend through the courts, a wave of disinformation, confusion and propaganda swells, fueled by unproven claims that something is amiss in these Georgia counties, and also by similar noise — and possibly also certification refusals — in Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Mexico and Nevada. (All have seen local Republicans try the certification refusal ruse since 2020.)

The point of these certification refusals may not be to falsify or flip a result, but simply to prevent the emergence of one.

Under federal law, the executive of each state — either the governor or another designated official — has until Dec. 11 to send official, certified state results to Washington for the Electoral College count. But if that deadline is not met, then what? The law provides for an expedited appeals process in the courts that should be resolved before the Electoral College meets on Dec. 17. How the courts rule will be considered conclusive.

If, at the end of this process, one or more states still do not produce results, the number of electoral votes required to win a majority — and therefore the presidency — would be reduced accordingly. In the above-described hypothetical, Georgia refusing to finalize its results would reduce the total number of electoral votes needed to win to 262, from 270. Republicans would win with 265 electoral votes, to the Democrats’ 257.

I'm assuming both the GOP and Democrats are preparing for something like this to happen...


Can the Democrats use the same strategy to take the election from trump

Talk about conspiracy. If it is legal than so be either side and do it

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Aug 21, 2024 15:34:53 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 21, 2024 11:48:24 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Isn't this commonly called.....extortion?

He didn't even threaten it. He said the United States have been very good to Ukraine better than other European countries. That does not amount to extortion. People wonder why I don't trust democrats and take a perfectly fine phone call and twist it to mean something else. That impeachment was bogus. Democrats are worthless, lying turds

Yeah, it does.  

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 21, 2024 11:17:10 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 21, 2024 6:49:25 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Well according to the DC National Guards website, it reports only to the president, who delegates the authority to the Secretary of defense, who the delegates it to the Secretary of ghe Army. But hey, what does their official website know.

You have a legitimate source that says differently?

dang.mil

ETA: if you aren’t proud of it, why did you say he should have let it go all night? To teach “liberals” a lesson by terrorizing them? Or so they could have hung Pence to prevent the certification?

I'm not proud of it. I can see if Trump didn't do anything the Democrats caused this riot it started with the bull crap impeachment over the perfectly legitimate phone call to Ukrane. Democrats started this shit and this is what they got. They may be a bunch of rednecks but they love this country more than any democrat. Congress could have still enacted the DCNG. 

Do you have a source for Congress being able to call up the national guard? Show us the proof of what you state. The official website says they answer to the president, nothing about congress. You sure give Trump a pass on any responsibility in regards to the office of the president. Feel the same way about a democrat.

You posted they should have let the riot go all night. Strange reff so one from someone who says they aren’t proud of the actions. In addition, a congressional action means a riot is ok? Maybe Democrats should riot over the endless, fruitless impeachment inquiry into Biden which showed jack shit in regards to impeachable actions