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Post by tallguy on Aug 19, 2024 18:48:00 GMT -5
There is enough of them to start a whole new party. I have a feeling, if Trump loses this November and drags other republican candidates down with him, all the true Republicans who have been pushed out of their party will be the ones who build it back. Hopefully all the loud mouthed MAGA politicians have to take a long time out before they’re allowed back at the grown up table. Too late. They have ZERO credibility left. Whatever new broom comes in MUST sweep VERY clean. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 19, 2024 18:57:41 GMT -5
There is enough of them to start a whole new party. I have a feeling, if Trump loses this November and drags other republican candidates down with him, all the true Republicans who have been pushed out of their party will be the ones who build it back. Hopefully all the loud mouthed MAGA politicians have to take a long time out before they’re allowed back at the grown up table. it will take them years to rebrand from this disaster. speaking personally, i won't vote Republican again until every trace of Trumpism is gone. |
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Post by Opti on Aug 19, 2024 19:21:06 GMT -5
He said he would join them scgal . He watched the violence on TV and refused to do anything about it for at least an hour. He reluctantly went on camera after Ivanka, and others really pressed him to do so. He is probably sad there wasn't more destruction. His actions are of a man who planned J6 but wanted plausible deniability. He said he would join them (protesting). Not storming the capitol. He didn't plan J6. He may have wanted lots of protesting done but the capitol breach is not his to own. Instead of waiting an hour he should have waited until the next day IMHO. Do you really want to play the naive country bumpkin card on this? He asked them to march to the Capitol to interfere with the certification of the vote. He lied to them and wanted them to steal the election for him. That's why he offered up Pence on a platter and pretended he did not do his job. A then current President should not be pulling this crap. This is what you do in shithole countries which he "says" he does not like. |
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 19, 2024 20:41:36 GMT -5
I have a feeling, if Trump loses this November and drags other republican candidates down with him, all the true Republicans who have been pushed out of their party will be the ones who build it back. Hopefully all the loud mouthed MAGA politicians have to take a long time out before they’re allowed back at the grown up table. it will take them years to rebrand from this disaster. speaking personally, i won't vote Republican again until every trace of Trumpism is gone. The problem they have is if they shit can all of the MAGAs immediately, they lose a substantial portion of their base and they won’t be able to win without them. It will take years of “entertainment” cooperation to simmer down the rhetoric. They probably won’t get that because there is too much money in stoking the anger. |
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Post by tbop77 on Aug 20, 2024 4:54:43 GMT -5
Why do you think REPUBLICANS recorded and later released that call? RHINO I don't know if you are a troll, bot, or what, but it you do troll any other sights, it's RINO. Stands for Republican In Name Only I feel bad for people like you that are so angry and bitter that you would rather listen to a lying POS....who tried to overturn an election, turned his base loose on the Capitol and sat there for 3 hours. And you said it would have been fine with you if he had waited till the next day. Nothing in your statements here reconcile. That is just plain sad that you would preferred to have police officers beat and battered. Or are you like Trump, I'm sure he waiting the three hours and was disappointed they didn't fight harder for him. And to say anything DEM is bad even if it is for the good of the country. What kind of American says that? I thought it was United We Stand, Divided We Fall. I just have to ask, what has caused the MAGA base to really hate what this country stands for? |
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Post by tbop77 on Aug 20, 2024 4:56:29 GMT -5
it will take them years to rebrand from this disaster. speaking personally, i won't vote Republican again until every trace of Trumpism is gone. The problem they have is if they shit can all of the MAGAs immediately, they lose a substantial portion of their base and they won’t be able to win without them. It will take years of “entertainment” cooperation to simmer down the rhetoric. They probably won’t get that because there is too much money in stoking the anger. That was proven after they all condemned him for J6 and said he was responsible and then kissed his ass to get back in his good graces. |
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Post by Bob Ross on Aug 20, 2024 10:22:07 GMT -5
DonOLD Trump will overthrow nothing and like it.
The Secretaries of State in all of the swing states are either Dems or honorable GOP like Raffensberger in GA who oversee the vote confirmations and won't put up with any shenanigans. This is why the 2022 SOS elections were so important.
Plus the Dems have much better election lawyers than MAGA does. Top dog Mark Elias and his firm just signed on with the Harris/Walz campaign. Any legal BS that MAGA tries will lose in court.
The *only* chance Trump *may* have to steal the election is if it's as close as 2000...i.e. coming down to ~500 votes in one state, and is thrown to the corrupt SCOTUS to decide, but that's highly unlikely.
Harris/Walz are likely to win by much, much greater margins than that.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 20, 2024 13:19:28 GMT -5
DonOLD Trump will overthrow nothing and like it. The Secretaries of State in all of the swing states are either Dems or honorable GOP like Raffensberger in GA who oversee the vote confirmations and won't put up with any shenanigans. This is why the 2022 SOS elections were so important. Plus the Dems have much better election lawyers than MAGA does. Top dog Mark Elias and his firm just signed on with the Harris/Walz campaign. Any legal BS that MAGA tries will lose in court. The *only* chance Trump *may* have to steal the election is if it's as close as 2000...i.e. coming down to ~500 votes in one state, and is thrown to the corrupt SCOTUS to decide, but that's highly unlikely. Harris/Walz are likely to win by much, much greater margins than that. Hello Bob Ross! I appreciate your cheerful comments. Hope you’re right. |
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Post by Opti on Aug 20, 2024 13:55:11 GMT -5
I don't know if you are a troll, bot, or what, but it you do troll any other sights, it's RINO. Stands for Republican In Name Only I feel bad for people like you that are so angry and bitter that you would rather listen to a lying POS....who tried to overturn an election, turned his base loose on the Capitol and sat there for 3 hours. And you said it would have been fine with you if he had waited till the next day. Nothing in your statements here reconcile. That is just plain sad that you would preferred to have police officers beat and battered. Or are you like Trump, I'm sure he waiting the three hours and was disappointed they didn't fight harder for him. And to say anything DEM is bad even if it is for the good of the country. What kind of American says that? I thought it was United We Stand, Divided We Fall. I just have to ask, what has caused the MAGA base to really hate what this country stands for? Police officers died. Some were so traumatized they took their own lives. Many never returned to the job. What I found pathetic is some of the worst were former police officers or firemen. Many of these people were more dangerous than Floyd protestors. These people weren't seeking justice, they were seeking to overturn an election and believed they had blanket immunity conferred on them by the President. Yes scgal, that very thing came up in multiple trials when they were sentenced for at least some of their crimes that day. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 20, 2024 14:17:37 GMT -5
it will take them years to rebrand from this disaster. speaking personally, i won't vote Republican again until every trace of Trumpism is gone. It will take years of “entertainment” cooperation to simmer down the rhetoric. They probably won’t get that because there is too much money in stoking the anger. where are you thinking the MAGA base will go? do they have a floating island somewhere? |
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Post by Opti on Aug 20, 2024 14:22:35 GMT -5
The problem they have is if they shit can all of the MAGAs immediately, they lose a substantial portion of their base and they won’t be able to win without them. It will take years of “entertainment” cooperation to simmer down the rhetoric. They probably won’t get that because there is too much money in stoking the anger. where are you thinking the MAGA base will go? do they have a floating island somewhere? FL with abandoned condos?  |
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 20, 2024 14:30:40 GMT -5
The problem they have is if they shit can all of the MAGAs immediately, they lose a substantial portion of their base and they won’t be able to win without them. It will take years of “entertainment” cooperation to simmer down the rhetoric. They probably won’t get that because there is too much money in stoking the anger. where are you thinking the MAGA base will go? do they have a floating island somewhere? I wish! Some will still vote Republican, some will vote third party and a bunch of them will stop voting. |
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Post by scgal on Aug 20, 2024 16:01:51 GMT -5
You don't know until you look. I don't like well it means this or that or the same as this. That is the problem I have with trying to hang J6 on Trump if he didn't say go storm the capitol then he is not at fault. Saying fight like hell doesn't cut it. From the transcript: Brad Raffensperger: Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong. We talked to the congressmen and they were surprised. But they -- I guess, there’s a person named Mr. Brainard that came to these meetings and presented data and he said that there was dead people. I believe it was upward of 5,000. The actual numbers were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. And so that’s wrong. That was two.
Brad Raffensperger: You’re talking about the State Farm video. And I think it’s extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context. So the next day we brought in WSB-TV and we let them show, see the full run of tape and what you’ll see, the events that transpired are nowhere near what was was projected by
Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President they did not put that -- we did an audit of that. It was proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.
Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President, we’ll send you the link from WSB that does -- [President Trump and Cleta Mitchell cut in, talking over Brad Raffensperger, unintelligible.]
Brad Raffensperger: We had GBI certainly investigate that.
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Post by scgal on Aug 20, 2024 16:07:07 GMT -5
He said he would join them (protesting). Not storming the capitol. He didn't plan J6. He may have wanted lots of protesting done but the capitol breach is not his to own. Instead of waiting an hour he should have waited until the next day IMHO. You can't be serious. There were 114 officers who were injured on J6, and one died of his injuries. How many more dead/injured officers would make you believe that J6 was bad? (I have family in law enforcement, so then-President Trump's lack of action REALLY bothered me.) I also have family and friends that are police officers. It is still not his call to stop it and he certainly didn't ask for it. |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 20, 2024 16:13:45 GMT -5
You can't be serious. There were 114 officers who were injured on J6, and one died of his injuries. How many more dead/injured officers would make you believe that J6 was bad? (I have family in law enforcement, so then-President Trump's lack of action REALLY bothered me.) I also have family and friends that are police officers. It is still not his call to stop it and he certainly didn't ask for it. They were asking for help from the DC National Guard. The only one who could activate them was the President. Try again to show that Trump had no responsibility |
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 20, 2024 16:26:02 GMT -5
From the transcript: Brad Raffensperger: Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong. We talked to the congressmen and they were surprised. But they -- I guess, there’s a person named Mr. Brainard that came to these meetings and presented data and he said that there was dead people. I believe it was upward of 5,000. The actual numbers were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. And so that’s wrong. That was two.
Brad Raffensperger: You’re talking about the State Farm video. And I think it’s extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context. So the next day we brought in WSB-TV and we let them show, see the full run of tape and what you’ll see, the events that transpired are nowhere near what was was projected by
Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President they did not put that -- we did an audit of that. It was proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.
Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President, we’ll send you the link from WSB that does -- [President Trump and Cleta Mitchell cut in, talking over Brad Raffensperger, unintelligible.]
Brad Raffensperger: We had GBI certainly investigate that.
link They did look. And since they found 2 dead people that voted they should have not certified the results. And then what? |
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Post by Opti on Aug 20, 2024 17:01:47 GMT -5
And since they found 2 dead people that voted they should have not certified the results. And then what? I know there were at least a couple Republicans that voted for elderly and recently dead people, so maybe its them. But if they were alive when they voted, and they die the next day, the vote is supposed to count. |
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From the transcript: Brad Raffensperger: Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong. We talked to the congressmen and they were surprised. But they -- I guess, there’s a person named Mr. Brainard that came to these meetings and presented data and he said that there was dead people. I believe it was upward of 5,000. The actual numbers were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. And so that’s wrong. That was two.
Brad Raffensperger: You’re talking about the State Farm video. And I think it’s extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context. So the next day we brought in WSB-TV and we let them show, see the full run of tape and what you’ll see, the events that transpired are nowhere near what was was projected by
Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President they did not put that -- we did an audit of that. It was proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.
Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President, we’ll send you the link from WSB that does -- [President Trump and Cleta Mitchell cut in, talking over Brad Raffensperger, unintelligible.]
Brad Raffensperger: We had GBI certainly investigate that.
link They did look. And since they found 2 dead people that voted they should have not certified the results. Two votes would not have made a difference in the outcome of the vote. You don’t certify elections if there is evidence of widespread fraud/voter suppression, not for just two dead people voting. If I’m not mistaken, they did find a few fraudulent voters, and almost all of them were republicans. Still didn’t impact who won, in the end. I think they had to recount like four times. It was ridiculous - Trump was using his standard policy of delay, delay, delay, hoping that would give him time to figure out a way to overturn the vote - one person shouldn’t be able to hold up the legal process because he’s pissed. THis will happen again, this year. Any state Trump loses, he’ll want an endless number of recounts while he screams about fake votes. It’s just what he does. |
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 20, 2024 17:09:53 GMT -5
I know there were at least a couple Republicans that voted for elderly and recently dead people, so maybe its them. But if they were alive when they voted, and they die the next day, the vote is supposed to count. Actually: How absentee/mail-in ballots are processed and counted varies from state to state. In the case of a voter who casts a valid absentee/mail-in ballot, but then dies prior to election day, state laws are split. Ten states specifically allow those ballots to be counted, 16 states prohibit counting those ballots, and the remaining 24 states have no specific laws on the topic, according to research from the National Conference of State Legislatures. link |
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Post by Opti on Aug 20, 2024 17:16:35 GMT -5
You can't be serious. There were 114 officers who were injured on J6, and one died of his injuries. How many more dead/injured officers would make you believe that J6 was bad? (I have family in law enforcement, so then-President Trump's lack of action REALLY bothered me.) I also have family and friends that are police officers. It is still not his call to stop it and he certainly didn't ask for it.Trump designed the entire rally along with a cast of characters including Rudy to whip up the crowd and cause what happened. They started planning this before Trump formally lost the election. People chartered planes, buses, booked hotel rooms etc. Trump did not put out campaign directives for people to call their representatives with questions. He wanted the physical intimidation factor of numbers of people to scare federal lawmakers on J6 in specific. If he couldn't win fairly, he was willing to try all different ways to accomplish that goal. |
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Post by tallguy on Aug 20, 2024 17:23:06 GMT -5
From the transcript: Brad Raffensperger: Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong. We talked to the congressmen and they were surprised. But they -- I guess, there’s a person named Mr. Brainard that came to these meetings and presented data and he said that there was dead people. I believe it was upward of 5,000. The actual numbers were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. And so that’s wrong. That was two.
Brad Raffensperger: You’re talking about the State Farm video. And I think it’s extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context. So the next day we brought in WSB-TV and we let them show, see the full run of tape and what you’ll see, the events that transpired are nowhere near what was was projected by
Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President they did not put that -- we did an audit of that. It was proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.
Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President, we’ll send you the link from WSB that does -- [President Trump and Cleta Mitchell cut in, talking over Brad Raffensperger, unintelligible.]
Brad Raffensperger: We had GBI certainly investigate that.
link They did look. And since they found 2 dead people that voted they should have not certified the results. Those were likely legally cast votes from people who were alive at the time. They then died between voting and election day. Happens everywhere and every year. Do you really not understand how ANY of this works? Or the rare example of a spouse wanting to have the deceased person's vote cast, but as has often been mentioned, those instances of fraud are almost always by Republicans. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 20, 2024 17:32:24 GMT -5
From the transcript: Brad Raffensperger: Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong. We talked to the congressmen and they were surprised. But they -- I guess, there’s a person named Mr. Brainard that came to these meetings and presented data and he said that there was dead people. I believe it was upward of 5,000. The actual numbers were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. And so that’s wrong. That was two.
Brad Raffensperger: You’re talking about the State Farm video. And I think it’s extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context. So the next day we brought in WSB-TV and we let them show, see the full run of tape and what you’ll see, the events that transpired are nowhere near what was was projected by
Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President they did not put that -- we did an audit of that. It was proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.
Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President, we’ll send you the link from WSB that does -- [President Trump and Cleta Mitchell cut in, talking over Brad Raffensperger, unintelligible.]
Brad Raffensperger: We had GBI certainly investigate that.
link They did look. And since they found 2 dead people that voted they should have not certified the results. using your logic, if 2 people are wrongfully executed, we should stop executing people, yes? |
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Post by tallguy on Aug 20, 2024 17:37:34 GMT -5
And since they found 2 dead people that voted they should have not certified the results. using your logic, if 2 people are wrongfully executed, we should stop executing people, yes? Even better, if two people commit gun crimes we should stop allowing gun ownership.  |
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Post by scgal on Aug 21, 2024 6:30:05 GMT -5
I also have family and friends that are police officers. It is still not his call to stop it and he certainly didn't ask for it. They were asking for help from the DC National Guard. The only one who could activate them was the President. Try again to show that Trump had no responsibility The DCNG may be called into federal service by the president or Congress why didn't Congress do it? Trump had no responsibility. He watched it is speculated he let it unfold to show the democrats it is all their fault. |
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Post by scgal on Aug 21, 2024 6:31:18 GMT -5
And since they found 2 dead people that voted they should have not certified the results. Those were likely legally cast votes from people who were alive at the time. They then died between voting and election day. Happens everywhere and every year. Do you really not understand how ANY of this works? Or the rare example of a spouse wanting to have the deceased person's vote cast, but as has often been mentioned, those instances of fraud are almost always by Republicans. likely or fact? |
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Post by scgal on Aug 21, 2024 6:32:35 GMT -5
I also have family and friends that are police officers. It is still not his call to stop it and he certainly didn't ask for it.Trump designed the entire rally along with a cast of characters including Rudy to whip up the crowd and cause what happened. They started planning this before Trump formally lost the election. People chartered planes, buses, booked hotel rooms etc. Trump did not put out campaign directives for people to call their representatives with questions. He wanted the physical intimidation factor of numbers of people to scare federal lawmakers on J6 in specific. If he couldn't win fairly, he was willing to try all different ways to accomplish that goal. Is there phyiscal proof he designed it? |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 21, 2024 6:33:52 GMT -5
They were asking for help from the DC National Guard. The only one who could activate them was the President. Try again to show that Trump had no responsibility The DCNG may be called into federal service by the president or Congress why didn't Congress do it? Trump had no responsibility. He watched it is speculated he let it unfold to show the democrats it is all their fault. You are seriously delusional. How is it the Democrats fault that a bunch of crazy conservatives rioted and destroyed the Capitol. Is nothing Trump’s responsibility? Congress cannot call up the National Guard. In states it is the governors responsibility. The DCNG call up falls to the president. Again, you think the riot should have gone all night? Seriously, you call yourself a law and order American. No real American who watched what unfolded that day is proud of what was done. Are you ? |
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Post by scgal on Aug 21, 2024 6:36:50 GMT -5
And since they found 2 dead people that voted they should have not certified the results. Two votes would not have made a difference in the outcome of the vote. You don’t certify elections if there is evidence of widespread fraud/voter suppression, not for just two dead people voting. If I’m not mistaken, they did find a few fraudulent voters, and almost all of them were republicans. Still didn’t impact who won, in the end. I think they had to recount like four times. It was ridiculous - Trump was using his standard policy of delay, delay, delay, hoping that would give him time to figure out a way to overturn the vote - one person shouldn’t be able to hold up the legal process because he’s pissed. THis will happen again, this year. Any state Trump loses, he’ll want an endless number of recounts while he screams about fake votes. It’s just what he does. Its actulally simple. I don't care if the fraudulent votes are republican or Democrate if a state has even 1 fraudulent vote the state cannot certify. The reasoning is if there is 1 there can be thousands that they may not even be able to find this will put the pressure on each state to make sure their system is secure. |
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Post by scgal on Aug 21, 2024 6:39:23 GMT -5
And since they found 2 dead people that voted they should have not certified the results. using your logic, if 2 people are wrongfully executed, we should stop executing people, yes? That is interesting. Yet we have a process to help alleviate that. Appeals. |
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Post by scgal on Aug 21, 2024 6:41:30 GMT -5
using your logic, if 2 people are wrongfully executed, we should stop executing people, yes? Even better, if two people commit gun crimes we should stop allowing gun ownership. We can start to look at that when you have to have a background check for voting like you do gun ownership. Hell the Democrats don't even want an Id to vote. Not the same thing. |
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