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Post by tbop77 on Aug 19, 2024 6:45:10 GMT -5
I'd venture to say that GA Republicans did get offended when Trump recently went down there for a rally. He continued his vengeful attack because they did not do his bidding to overturn the election:
Trump’s attacks reignited tensions between him and Georgia Republicans. The former president lost the state narrowly in 2020 and heavily pressured Kemp and Raffensperger to reverse his defeat.
Trump’s attacks on Kemp and Raffensperger are notable given Georgia is one of a handful of battleground states that will determine the winner of the upcoming presidential election and Kemp is popular in the Peach State.
Of course, Kemp reacted with grace and dignity:
Kemp hit back at Trump earlier on Saturday, responding to a post the former president made on Truth Social which also went after the governor’s wife, Marty Kemp.
“My focus is on winning this November and saving our country from Kamala Harris and the Democrats - not engaging in petty personal insults, attacking fellow Republicans, or dwelling on the past,” Kemp said in a post on X, formerly Twitter. “You should do the same, Mr. President, and leave my family out of it.”
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 19, 2024 8:45:38 GMT -5
If you listen to the whole conversation with Raffensburger, the SOS of Georgia, Trump makes the comment that if Raffensburger doesn’t find the votes Trump wants, Raffensburger might be investigated for ‘illegal’ things, and he might be in trouble with the law. Granted he did not say ‘I will make sure you get arrested and kicked out of your job’ but he sure inferred that Raffensburger would - and Trump has done everything he could to get Raffensburger get voted out of office. Fortunately for Raffensburger, Georgia tends to get offended when Yankees try to interfere with local business, even if the Yankee is a popular game show participant. That is a fine phone call. Hits a grey area but not illegal. He insinuated that if he don't look into it he could be hiding votes which is illegal. Georgia don't get all that offended just the Democrats. Again there is that personification of a governmental entity. How does one determine the emotional react of a geographical region? |
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If you listen to the whole conversation with Raffensburger, the SOS of Georgia, Trump makes the comment that if Raffensburger doesn’t find the votes Trump wants, Raffensburger might be investigated for ‘illegal’ things, and he might be in trouble with the law. Granted he did not say ‘I will make sure you get arrested and kicked out of your job’ but he sure inferred that Raffensburger would - and Trump has done everything he could to get Raffensburger get voted out of office. Fortunately for Raffensburger, Georgia tends to get offended when Yankees try to interfere with local business, even if the Yankee is a popular game show participant. That is a fine phone call. Hits a grey area but not illegal. He insinuated that if he don't look into it he could be hiding votes which is illegal. Georgia don't get all that offended just the Democrats. Why the hell would a Republican SOS hide Republican votes? That makes zero sense. And he wasn’t asking Raffensperger to check between the sofa cushions for votes that might have gotten lost. He told Raffensperger to state that he had ‘found’ extra republican votes in Atlanta, a large and largely black area, claiming he had ‘heard there was some voter fraud there.’ As for Georgia getting all offended- both Raffensperger and Kemp, the governor, easily won reelection against candidates Trump picked and supported during their campaigns. I’m not saying GA republicans will vote for Harris, but they can chose to sit at home. They did this in the midterms and it’s partly why we currently have two democratic senators. |
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Post by Opti on Aug 19, 2024 9:55:43 GMT -5
No. Self-involved, self-important AHs irk me. That you don't understand, it does not matter to me politically where they land if they behave very badly. What you do not realize is Trump and you are training us to squash you like bugs. All those things you worried about and continue to worry about ... you are literally asking for them to become manifest. So very stupid and so very on brand. What the hell are you talking about. Squash us like bugs? Hell the left don't know if they are male or female. They wear pink hats and scream they need safe spaces for all their anxiety. No, you don't understand biology. The fact you all go to FOX "News" and Trump rallies for your safe spaces makes the collective GOP no better. Project 2025 is trying to make the entire country a safe space for their white male control freak souls. That's extreme. Women just want control over their own bodies. Unfortunate the red baseball caps weren't enough. Way more of them than there ever were of the pink hats. So what am I talking about? By playing into your fears and amplifying them you are calling the universe for a correction. That correction will be liberal. I know I am female, if you do not that's a you problem or none of your business issue. Men shouldn't need to wear a tie to "prove" they are male. Most people know who they are, but some are born with trickier biology than others. IMO its not much different than being born with certain colors of hair, skin and eyes or genetic issues. Maybe you can explain why God's creation of biology for humans and others terrifies you so. |
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Post by Opti on Aug 19, 2024 10:00:18 GMT -5
That is a fine phone call. Hits a grey area but not illegal. He insinuated that if he don't look into it he could be hiding votes which is illegal. Georgia don't get all that offended just the Democrats. Why the hell would a Republican SOS hide Republican votes? That makes zero sense. And he wasn’t asking Raffensperger to check between the sofa cushions for votes that might have gotten lost. He told Raffensperger to state that he had ‘found’ extra republican votes in Atlanta, a large and largely black area, claiming he had ‘heard there was some voter fraud there.’ As for Georgia getting all offended- both Raffensperger and Kemp, the governor, easily won reelection against candidates Trump picked and supported during their campaigns. I’m not saying GA republicans will vote for Harris, but they can chose to sit at home. They did this in the midterms and it’s partly why we currently have two democratic senators. The bolded must have been the RW talking points that were settled on by RW media to explain Trump's illegal phone call. From her posting history she thinks what FOX, Trump and other RWers say is truth. I don't think she and peeps like SCP ever try to verify the truth of it. The RW entertainment sphere is so lockstep that you find the same analysis basically everywhere. FOX, FOX pundits, Trumpers with radio shows, podcasts etc. They love the fairytales, so they exalt the storytellers. Important Note: Some of Georgia's GOP did not object because they were OK with Trump winning the state illegally. Some of the GOP and Democrats were shocked at how bad a man elected President was acting. As if he were a mob boss or something. |
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 19, 2024 10:46:59 GMT -5
If you listen to the whole conversation with Raffensburger, the SOS of Georgia, Trump makes the comment that if Raffensburger doesn’t find the votes Trump wants, Raffensburger might be investigated for ‘illegal’ things, and he might be in trouble with the law. Granted he did not say ‘I will make sure you get arrested and kicked out of your job’ but he sure inferred that Raffensburger would - and Trump has done everything he could to get Raffensburger get voted out of office. Fortunately for Raffensburger, Georgia tends to get offended when Yankees try to interfere with local business, even if the Yankee is a popular game show participant. That is a fine phone call. Hits a grey area but not illegal. He insinuated that if he don't look into it he could be hiding votes which is illegal. Georgia don't get all that offended just the Democrats. It was "fine" but "hits a grey area". We are talking about an action of the sitting President to win for himself a second term. The fact that you are okay with such behavior in this arena is disturbing. The official legally tasked with the responsibility to determine the election results told him there was no evidence that the legal results were other than what he had determined. Still the sitting President pushed and pushed. Okay, argue all you want it wasn't illegal. Making the call from the start was inappropriate. |
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Post by dondubble on Aug 19, 2024 11:02:17 GMT -5
That is a fine phone call. Hits a grey area but not illegal. He insinuated that if he don't look into it he could be hiding votes which is illegal. Georgia don't get all that offended just the Democrats. It was "fine" but "hits a grey area". We are talking about an action of the sitting President to win for himself a second term. The fact that you are okay with such behavior in this arena is disturbing. The official legally tasked with the responsibility to determine the election results told him there was no evidence that the legal results were other than what he had determined. Still the sitting President pushed and pushed. Okay, argue all you want it wasn't illegal. Making the call from the start was inappropriate. I doubt scgal knows whether Trump and Co.s behavior was legal or not. There are pending charges, correct? But unethical to an extreme and an act of desperation from someone that needed to keep alive the ‘they stole it’ narrative. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 19, 2024 11:25:46 GMT -5
I don't see any chance the military will install him in office. That is the only illegal process I can envision. So I agree he won't get in illegally. What might happen is states might use legal manipulations to certify a list of Electoral College voters different than the popular vote would certify. That would be challenged in court of course, but if it gets past them it would be legal. The next step would be acceptance or rejection by Congress. If they accept them, then he would legally become President. I don't see the military doing that either. The rest is just a process if it is legal then its legal end of story that is why we should wait for the arbiters of what is legal to speak, imo. speculating about this stuff is pointless. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 19, 2024 11:27:50 GMT -5
If you listen to the whole conversation with Raffensburger, the SOS of Georgia, Trump makes the comment that if Raffensburger doesn’t find the votes Trump wants, Raffensburger might be investigated for ‘illegal’ things, and he might be in trouble with the law. Granted he did not say ‘I will make sure you get arrested and kicked out of your job’ but he sure inferred that Raffensburger would - and Trump has done everything he could to get Raffensburger get voted out of office. Fortunately for Raffensburger, Georgia tends to get offended when Yankees try to interfere with local business, even if the Yankee is a popular game show participant. That is a fine phone call. Hits a grey area but not illegal. He insinuated that if he don't look into it he could be hiding votes which is illegal. Georgia don't get all that offended just the Democrats. i am not offended. this is not personal for me. i think he fashions himself as some mob boss. and i think he skirts the law routinely. and i think that his pressure campaign falls outside the law. but i will leave it up to the courts to decide. |
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That is a fine phone call. Hits a grey area but not illegal. He insinuated that if he don't look into it he could be hiding votes which is illegal. Georgia don't get all that offended just the Democrats. Why the hell would a Republican SOS hide Republican votes? That makes zero sense. And he wasn’t asking Raffensperger to check between the sofa cushions for votes that might have gotten lost. He told Raffensperger to state that he had ‘found’ extra republican votes in Atlanta, a large and largely black area, claiming he had ‘heard there was some voter fraud there.’ As for Georgia getting all offended- both Raffensperger and Kemp, the governor, easily won reelection against candidates Trump picked and supported during their campaigns. I’m not saying GA republicans will vote for Harris, but they can chose to sit at home. They did this in the midterms and it’s partly why we currently have two democratic senators. asking someone to find something when there is nothing to be found is asking someone to manufacture something. and let's not be shy about saying that he does this all the time. he asked Alan Weisselberg to find more assets for him many times, so that he could secure better loans. that was found ILLEGAL by a court of law. those were not "perfect phone calls/requests, etc", even though Trump said it was. so, yeah. i think happy has this just right. he was not really asking someone to find something that exists. he was asking someone to create something that did not exist. and that is voter fraud. which is illegal. but again, that is for the courts to decide, not us. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 19, 2024 13:45:21 GMT -5
for the record, GA has gone for Democrats quite a bit recently. i would not put this past them this go-around. in fact, i will say that it is necessary for it to go for Democrats to win it, soas to avoid the kind of chaos which Trump is sowing.
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Post by scgal on Aug 19, 2024 14:53:57 GMT -5
Why the hell would a Republican SOS hide Republican votes? That makes zero sense. And he wasn’t asking Raffensperger to check between the sofa cushions for votes that might have gotten lost. He told Raffensperger to state that he had ‘found’ extra republican votes in Atlanta, a large and largely black area, claiming he had ‘heard there was some voter fraud there.’ As for Georgia getting all offended- both Raffensperger and Kemp, the governor, easily won reelection against candidates Trump picked and supported during their campaigns. I’m not saying GA republicans will vote for Harris, but they can chose to sit at home. They did this in the midterms and it’s partly why we currently have two democratic senators.
and let's not be shy about saying that he does this all the time. he asked Alan Weisselberg to find more assets for him many times, so that he could secure better loans. that was found ILLEGAL by a court of law. those were not "perfect phone calls/requests, etc", even though Trump said it was. so, yeah. i think happy has this just right. he was not really asking someone to find something that exists. he was asking someone to create something that did not exist. and that is voter fraud. which is illegal. but again, that is for the courts to decide, not us. You don't know until you look. I don't like well it means this or that or the same as this. That is the problem I have with trying to hang J6 on Trump if he didn't say go storm the capitol then he is not at fault. Saying fight like hell doesn't cut it. |
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Post by Opti on Aug 19, 2024 15:00:47 GMT -5
asking someone to find something when there is nothing to be found is asking someone to manufacture something.
and let's not be shy about saying that he does this all the time. he asked Alan Weisselberg to find more assets for him many times, so that he could secure better loans. that was found ILLEGAL by a court of law. those were not "perfect phone calls/requests, etc", even though Trump said it was. so, yeah. i think happy has this just right. he was not really asking someone to find something that exists. he was asking someone to create something that did not exist. and that is voter fraud. which is illegal. but again, that is for the courts to decide, not us. You don't know until you look. I don't like well it means this or that or the same as this. That is the problem I have with trying to hang J6 on Trump if he didn't say go storm the capitol then he is not at fault. Saying fight like hell doesn't cut it. He said he would join them scgal. He watched the violence on TV and refused to do anything about it for at least an hour. He reluctantly went on camera after Ivanka, and others really pressed him to do so. He is probably sad there wasn't more destruction. His actions are of a man who planned J6 but wanted plausible deniability. |
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Please politico leftist bull Why do you think REPUBLICANS recorded and later released that call? |
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You don't know until you look. I don't like well it means this or that or the same as this. That is the problem I have with trying to hang J6 on Trump if he didn't say go storm the capitol then he is not at fault. Saying fight like hell doesn't cut it. He said he would join them scgal. He watched the violence on TV and refused to do anything about it for at least an hour. He reluctantly went on camera after Ivanka, and others really pressed him to do so. He is probably sad there wasn't more destruction. His actions are of a man who planned J6 but wanted plausible deniability. 3 hours. And he invited them to come for a wild weekend. People that aren’t corrupted Trump excusologists knew exactly what he meant. Maybe that’s why they showed up and did what they did. And not just Trump called for fighting like Hell. He had Rudy and the Alabama congressman in the flak vest doing it too. |
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asking someone to find something when there is nothing to be found is asking someone to manufacture something.
and let's not be shy about saying that he does this all the time. he asked Alan Weisselberg to find more assets for him many times, so that he could secure better loans. that was found ILLEGAL by a court of law. those were not "perfect phone calls/requests, etc", even though Trump said it was. so, yeah. i think happy has this just right. he was not really asking someone to find something that exists. he was asking someone to create something that did not exist. and that is voter fraud. which is illegal. but again, that is for the courts to decide, not us. You don't know until you look. I don't like well it means this or that or the same as this. That is the problem I have with trying to hang J6 on Trump if he didn't say go storm the capitol then he is not at fault. Saying fight like hell doesn't cut it. he made this call on Jan 2nd. he had 2 months to look. and look, he did. as did Raffensberger. this is why he knew enough to tell Trump that there was no more looking to be done. i would feel a LOT differently if this call had been made on November 10th. or even December 2nd. but calling old buddy Brad 3 weeks after the votes were certified does NOT pass the sniff test with me. |
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You don't know until you look. I don't like well it means this or that or the same as this. That is the problem I have with trying to hang J6 on Trump if he didn't say go storm the capitol then he is not at fault. Saying fight like hell doesn't cut it. he made this call on Jan 2nd. he had 2 months to look. and look, he did. as did Raffensberger. this is why he knew enough to tell Trump that there was no more looking to be done. i would feel a LOT differently if this call had been made on November 10th. or even December 2nd. but calling old buddy Brad 3 weeks after the votes were certified does NOT pass the sniff test with me. Makes perfect sense he should keep right on asking up until the inauguration. |
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Please politico leftist bull Why do you think REPUBLICANS recorded and later released that call? RHINO |
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You don't know until you look. I don't like well it means this or that or the same as this. That is the problem I have with trying to hang J6 on Trump if he didn't say go storm the capitol then he is not at fault. Saying fight like hell doesn't cut it. He said he would join them scgal . He watched the violence on TV and refused to do anything about it for at least an hour. He reluctantly went on camera after Ivanka, and others really pressed him to do so. He is probably sad there wasn't more destruction. His actions are of a man who planned J6 but wanted plausible deniability. He said he would join them (protesting). Not storming the capitol. He didn't plan J6. He may have wanted lots of protesting done but the capitol breach is not his to own. Instead of waiting an hour he should have waited until the next day IMHO. |
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he made this call on Jan 2nd. he had 2 months to look. and look, he did. as did Raffensberger. this is why he knew enough to tell Trump that there was no more looking to be done. i would feel a LOT differently if this call had been made on November 10th. or even December 2nd. but calling old buddy Brad 3 weeks after the votes were certified does NOT pass the sniff test with me. Makes perfect sense he should keep right on asking up until the inauguration. not for me. but then again, i am inclined to listen to the opinions of the courts and experts in the field. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 19, 2024 17:18:23 GMT -5
Why do you think REPUBLICANS recorded and later released that call? RHINO that only makes sense if you think that Trump is a traditional Republican. for me, Trump is the RHINO. the people who recorded the call were traditional Republicans. it is interesting how he has rebranded the party. and i am using interesting in the most generous way possible. |
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He said he would join them scgal . He watched the violence on TV and refused to do anything about it for at least an hour. He reluctantly went on camera after Ivanka, and others really pressed him to do so. He is probably sad there wasn't more destruction. His actions are of a man who planned J6 but wanted plausible deniability. He said he would join them (protesting). Not storming the capitol. He didn't plan J6. He may have wanted lots of protesting done but the capitol breach is not his to own. Instead of waiting an hour he should have waited until the next day IMHO. You can't be serious. There were 114 officers who were injured on J6, and one died of his injuries. How many more dead/injured officers would make you believe that J6 was bad? (I have family in law enforcement, so then-President Trump's lack of action REALLY bothered me.) |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 19, 2024 17:41:23 GMT -5
He said he would join them scgal . He watched the violence on TV and refused to do anything about it for at least an hour. He reluctantly went on camera after Ivanka, and others really pressed him to do so. He is probably sad there wasn't more destruction. His actions are of a man who planned J6 but wanted plausible deniability. He said he would join them (protesting). Not storming the capitol. He didn't plan J6. He may have wanted lots of protesting done but the capitol breach is not his to own. Instead of waiting an hour he should have waited until the next day IMHO. if he had waited another day, he would be off the hook for the DC charges. the timing is a key element in the case. #hangmikepence |
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There is enough of them to start a whole new party. I have a feeling, if Trump loses this November and drags other republican candidates down with him, all the true Republicans who have been pushed out of their party will be the ones who build it back. Hopefully all the loud mouthed MAGA politicians have to take a long time out before they’re allowed back at the grown up table. |
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He said he would join them (protesting). Not storming the capitol. He didn't plan J6. He may have wanted lots of protesting done but the capitol breach is not his to own. Instead of waiting an hour he should have waited until the next day IMHO. You can't be serious. There were 114 officers who were injured on J6, and one died of his injuries. How many more dead/injured officers would make you believe that J6 was bad? (I have family in law enforcement, so then-President Trump's lack of action REALLY bothered me.) How any sane person thinks presidential leadership is watching the capital get sacked for 183 minutes and doing NOTHING is beyond the pale. |
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Please politico leftist bull Why do you think REPUBLICANS recorded and later released that call? Raffensburger actually said that part out loud. He knew Trump and his minions would try to lean on him and to try to make him do something illegal. So he taped their conversation, and then released it to the public. I admire Raffensburger. He had a news conference where a really pissed off Raffensburger scolded Trump and the MAGA flunkies for trying to strong arm him, and setting the MAGA idiots on to him and his family, and said that if they wanted to win elections in the future, they needed to run a better campaign, not stoop to these unAmerican, unDemocratic tactics. And he did get a lot of threats from the stupid MAGA idiots. |
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asking someone to find something when there is nothing to be found is asking someone to manufacture something.
and let's not be shy about saying that he does this all the time. he asked Alan Weisselberg to find more assets for him many times, so that he could secure better loans. that was found ILLEGAL by a court of law. those were not "perfect phone calls/requests, etc", even though Trump said it was. so, yeah. i think happy has this just right. he was not really asking someone to find something that exists. he was asking someone to create something that did not exist. and that is voter fraud. which is illegal. but again, that is for the courts to decide, not us. You don't know until you look. I don't like well it means this or that or the same as this. That is the problem I have with trying to hang J6 on Trump if he didn't say go storm the capitol then he is not at fault. Saying fight like hell doesn't cut it. From the transcript: Brad Raffensperger: Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong. We talked to the congressmen and they were surprised. But they -- I guess, there’s a person named Mr. Brainard that came to these meetings and presented data and he said that there was dead people. I believe it was upward of 5,000. The actual numbers were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. And so that’s wrong. That was two.
Brad Raffensperger: You’re talking about the State Farm video. And I think it’s extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context. So the next day we brought in WSB-TV and we let them show, see the full run of tape and what you’ll see, the events that transpired are nowhere near what was was projected by
Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President they did not put that -- we did an audit of that. It was proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.
Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President, we’ll send you the link from WSB that does -- [President Trump and Cleta Mitchell cut in, talking over Brad Raffensperger, unintelligible.]
Brad Raffensperger: We had GBI certainly investigate that.
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