How Donold Trump will overthrow the 2024 Election

[djAdvocate]

Aug 25, 2024 20:02:31 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 24, 2024 18:49:45 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Just realize that people are moving to such places because housing is cheap and weather is warmer.  Taxes are low not because you are more efficient, but because you do not offer anywhere close to the same number or type of services.  South Carolina also ranks near the top in residents' dependence on the federal government. 

You're welcome.

PLEAAASSSEEEE South Carolina gets around 13b federal money compared to California 170b. Blue state are leaches. 

um....no.  we give more than we get, scgal .

According to Yahoo Finance, some states are less dependent on the federal government than others, contributing more to the federal government than they receive. These states include:

Minnesota, New Jersey, Delaware, Illinois, Florida, Washington, South Dakota, Massachusetts, Nebraska, and California.


NOTE:SC is not on that list.  all but three are blue states.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 25, 2024 20:02:31 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 24, 2024 18:49:45 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Just realize that people are moving to such places because housing is cheap and weather is warmer.  Taxes are low not because you are more efficient, but because you do not offer anywhere close to the same number or type of services.  South Carolina also ranks near the top in residents' dependence on the federal government. 

You're welcome.

PLEAAASSSEEEE South Carolina gets around 13b federal money compared to California 170b. Blue state are leaches. 

Math is hard. Now do it on a per capita basis. Or on the basis of economic output. Include all of the benefits and not just outright grants. When you look at which states are most reliant on federal aid, the list changes significantly. California is the second least reliant state according to USAfacts.org. But I am sure you won’t believe it because they use facts, not right wing talking points

[djAdvocate]

i don't think that people get how massive and productive CA is. CA provides more revenue to the treasury than the bottom 23 states COMBINED. CA provides twice as much revenue as either Texas or Florida, and 60% more than the next largest state (NY).

[pulmonarymd]

I think California would be the 4th largest economy in the world if it was an independent nation. Its output is massive

[djAdvocate]

Aug 25, 2024 21:06:54 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I think California would be the 4th largest economy in the world if it was an independent nation. Its output is massive

i can never remember.  i know it is in the top 10.

[thyme4change]

Aug 25, 2024 20:02:31 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 24, 2024 18:49:45 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Just realize that people are moving to such places because housing is cheap and weather is warmer.  Taxes are low not because you are more efficient, but because you do not offer anywhere close to the same number or type of services.  South Carolina also ranks near the top in residents' dependence on the federal government. 

You're welcome.

PLEAAASSSEEEE South Carolina gets around 13b federal money compared to California 170b. Blue state are leaches. 

South Carolina contributes (via federal taxes) 28b and took back 13b - 46%

California contributes 470b and takes back 170b - 36%

[djAdvocate]

oh, and if that sounds like bragging, it is not.
it is just fact.

it is like saying China has a huge population, or like saying the Blue Whale is a huge mammal.

[tallguy]

Aug 25, 2024 21:06:54 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I think California would be the 4th largest economy in the world if it was an independent nation. Its output is massive

Fifth, behind the U.S., China, Germany, and Japan.  And not that far behind Japan.  

[djAdvocate]

Aug 26, 2024 0:28:14 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Aug 25, 2024 21:06:54 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I think California would be the 4th largest economy in the world if it was an independent nation. Its output is massive

Fifth, behind the U.S., China, Germany, and Japan.  And not that far behind Japan.  

just ahead if India, with a population 5x larger, right?
India will pass us.  it is the fate of a developed state.

[scgal]

Aug 25, 2024 21:34:41 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 25, 2024 21:06:54 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I think California would be the 4th largest economy in the world if it was an independent nation. Its output is massive

i can never remember.  i know it is in the top 10.

If they are doing so good why do they have so much debt? Why are they in the top 5 unemployment rate. California is a broke shithole state. Poorly ran

[billisonboard]

scgal, I was hoping you would get back to the discussion of dead voters. You left it at don't certify if there is even 1 dead voter ballot found. I gave the real world challenges of preventing one from slipping through. I remain curious as to your next step that should be taken following "not certifying." An election has held and the clock is ticking. What do election officials do? 

[pulmonarymd]

If SC is so well run, why are its health and education metrics so poor?

[scgal]

Aug 25, 2024 20:44:00 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 25, 2024 20:32:02 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

you would have said the same about Biden, or Buttigieg, or anyone else on the (D) ticket. you've already said that you hate anything proposed by a Democrat simply because they are a Democrat. so why TF would we expect anything other than this bold from you and your ilk? 

yeah, we have lost 45% of the electorate, who can no longer distinguish between someone thoroughly corrupt and unqualified and a person who has dedicated their lives to public service.  this is this shitty rabbit hole that we have been going down since 1980.  it ends up in a dark place, and a dead end.  let's hope at some point that the 45% drops to 40% and that the resulting firestorm will create enough ash to grow a new crop of Republicans.

Or we have have 45% of the country tired of the the progressive left bullshit this country sliding into. 

    Tired of trying to excuse debt for peoples poor educational choices

    Tired of normalizing transgenderism 

    Tired of convincing the people of the US that nationalism is bad 

    Tired blaming an object for deaths when it is a person fault (people are so fucking dumb on this one)

    Tired of helping other countries out with nothing in return 

    Tired of hearing about climate change 

    Tired of letting people in the country and wasting millions to take care of them

   So yea if someone is running for president and is against some or most of those things which would be against a democrate because they love all that shit. We don't care if they have been convicted of a felony the above mention is worse.

[scgal]

Aug 26, 2024 9:26:24 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

If SC is so well run, why are its health and education metrics so poor?

I already mentioned that the school system sucks (college is ok) then our school taxes are cheap want any better homeschool. The dept of education sucks in this country we should do away with it. I don't have a problem with the healthcare system it is mostly Prisma here they do a fine job. 

[scgal]

Aug 26, 2024 9:26:13 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

scgal , I was hoping you would get back to the discussion of dead voters. You left it at don't certify if there is even 1 dead voter ballot found. I gave the real world challenges of preventing one from slipping through. I remain curious as to your next step that should be taken following "not certifying." An election has held and the clock is ticking. What do election officials do? 

To be honest I don't know what each state rules are but they can hold off certifying for a period of say 30-45 day to see if the person died after casting a ballot. Or they don't certify, or lets do away with mail in ballots in person only. That would disqualify alot of people but it would help. Absentee ballots really wasn't a thing until the 1980s the country did fine before then.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

For supposedly being about individual rights conservatives sure are invested in what hides underneath other people's pants.  Seriously who are trans people hurting?  

This reminds me of the hysteria about homosexual people and how all gay men were pedophiles and if we decriminalized it we'd see a rash of child abuse.

It's gotten to where we are attacking female athletes because they have what arm chair doctors think is too high testosterone levels and don't present as what is considered traditionally female by Western standards.

Get over yourselves.

ETA: If we're going to trot out the victim card I have FAR more to worry about in regards to cis straight men who hide on computers thinking they are owed my attention/time and my body.   The little stick figure on the bathroom door is not some magical force field that will keep them out and save me from harm.

As far as my children I have far more to fear concerning church leaders, sports coaches, boy scout troop leaders, teachers and their pediatrician.

Trans people don't even register to me as a threat.  They are just living their lives and using the bathroom just like I am.

[minnesotapaintlady]

Aug 25, 2024 21:52:09 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Aug 25, 2024 20:02:31 GMT -5 scgal said:

PLEAAASSSEEEE South Carolina gets around 13b federal money compared to California 170b. Blue state are leaches. 

South Carolina contributes (via federal taxes) 28b and took back 13b - 46%

California contributes 470b and takes back 170b - 36%

Exactly.  You have to look at the big picture.

It's the same as saying 50K is a lot of debt for an individual person.  You can't really say that without knowing their income.  For someone making 60K/year 50K of debt is crippling.  For someone making 360K/year?  Peanuts.

[billisonboard]

Aug 26, 2024 9:36:29 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 26, 2024 9:26:13 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

scgal , I was hoping you would get back to the discussion of dead voters. You left it at don't certify if there is even 1 dead voter ballot found. I gave the real world challenges of preventing one from slipping through. I remain curious as to your next step that should be taken following "not certifying." An election has held and the clock is ticking. What do election officials do? 

To be honest I don't know what each state rules are but they can hold off certifying for a period of say 30-45 day to see if the person died after casting a ballot. Or they don't certify, or lets do away with mail in ballots in person only. That would disqualify alot of people but it would help. Absentee ballots really wasn't a thing until the 1980s the country did fine before then.

Thank you for the response.

You wouldn't be able to just "not certify". You would not be able to process any mailed in ballots. 

First thought, no mail in ballots means disenfranchising all service members unable to be at home on election day. Sound good?

You are correct that zero by mail ballots would disenfranchise a lot of people. For what end? To work to minimize an insignificant possible inappropriate number of votes. Is it worth it?

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 26, 2024 9:31:28 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 26, 2024 9:26:24 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

If SC is so well run, why are its health and education metrics so poor?

I already mentioned that the school system sucks (college is ok) then our school taxes are cheap want any better homeschool. The dept of education sucks in this country we should do away with it. I don't have a problem with the healthcare system it is mostly Prisma here they do a fine job. 

SC is 37 in overall health system performance, 39 in deaths from preventable causes, 42 in health outcomes and healthy behaviors, 80% of teens with a severe depressive episode did not get care, 42 in women's health and reproductive care, 41 for maternal mortality, 39 in affordability and access, 40 in uninsured rate, and 43 for life expectancy.


www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/scorecard/2023/jun/2023-scorecard-state-health-system-performance
 You think those numbers are good? What a Utopia! 

[tallguy]

Aug 26, 2024 9:53:07 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Aug 25, 2024 21:52:09 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

South Carolina contributes (via federal taxes) 28b and took back 13b - 46%

California contributes 470b and takes back 170b - 36%

Exactly.  You have to look at the big picture.

It's the same as saying 50K is a lot of debt for an individual person.  You can't really say that without knowing their income.  For someone making 60K/year 50K of debt is crippling.  For someone making 360K/year?  Peanuts.

And when someone is utterly incapable of seeing the big picture, focuses on a small part instead, and generally misconstrues or takes even that out of context, we call them far-right conservatives.

[tallguy]

Aug 26, 2024 9:57:55 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 26, 2024 9:31:28 GMT -5 scgal said:

I already mentioned that the school system sucks (college is ok) then our school taxes are cheap want any better homeschool. The dept of education sucks in this country we should do away with it. I don't have a problem with the healthcare system it is mostly Prisma here they do a fine job. 

SC is 37 in overall health system performance, 39 in deaths from preventable causes, 42 in health outcomes and healthy behaviors, 80% of teens with a severe depressive episode did not get care, 42 in women's health and reproductive care, 41 for maternal mortality, 39 in affordability and access, 40 in uninsured rate, and 43 for life expectancy.


www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/scorecard/2023/jun/2023-scorecard-state-health-system-performance
 You think those numbers are good? What a Utopia! 

So...thanks be to Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Alabama, West Virginia, and Mississippi?  Because you can always make yourself look good in comparison?  

[tallguy]

Aug 26, 2024 9:57:55 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 26, 2024 9:31:28 GMT -5 scgal said:

I already mentioned that the school system sucks (college is ok) then our school taxes are cheap want any better homeschool. The dept of education sucks in this country we should do away with it. I don't have a problem with the healthcare system it is mostly Prisma here they do a fine job. 

SC is 37 in overall health system performance, 39 in deaths from preventable causes, 42 in health outcomes and healthy behaviors, 80% of teens with a severe depressive episode did not get care, 42 in women's health and reproductive care, 41 for maternal mortality, 39 in affordability and access, 40 in uninsured rate, and 43 for life expectancy.


www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/scorecard/2023/jun/2023-scorecard-state-health-system-performance
 You think those numbers are good? What a Utopia! 

Wow!  There were TWO red states in the top 20!  They're on a serious roll now!

And 24 states below average with not a single blue state in the group?  Surprised?  I'm not.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 26, 2024 10:06:03 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Aug 26, 2024 9:57:55 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

SC is 37 in overall health system performance, 39 in deaths from preventable causes, 42 in health outcomes and healthy behaviors, 80% of teens with a severe depressive episode did not get care, 42 in women's health and reproductive care, 41 for maternal mortality, 39 in affordability and access, 40 in uninsured rate, and 43 for life expectancy.


www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/scorecard/2023/jun/2023-scorecard-state-health-system-performance
 You think those numbers are good? What a Utopia! 

So...thanks be to Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Alabama, West Virginia, and Mississippi?  Because you can always make yourself look good in comparison?  

Those are all good guesses to be at the bottom of the list. Need to add Oklahoma, Tennessee, and New Mexico to the options as well, as hey will sneak into the bottom of some lists. I wonder what they all have in common?

[tallguy]

Aug 26, 2024 10:11:58 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 26, 2024 10:06:03 GMT -5 tallguy said:

So...thanks be to Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Alabama, West Virginia, and Mississippi?  Because you can always make yourself look good in comparison?  

Those are all good guesses to be at the bottom of the list. Need to add Oklahoma, Tennessee, and New Mexico to the options as well, as hey will sneak into the bottom of some lists. I wonder what they all have in common?

Ummm, hmmmmm.  No wait, I got this one....  Uhhhhh,  yeah.  Poor, uneducated rural states with conservative leadership?

[billisonboard]

Aug 26, 2024 9:36:29 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 26, 2024 9:26:13 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

scgal , I was hoping you would get back to the discussion of dead voters. You left it at don't certify if there is even 1 dead voter ballot found. I gave the real world challenges of preventing one from slipping through. I remain curious as to your next step that should be taken following "not certifying." An election has held and the clock is ticking. What do election officials do? 

To be honest I don't know what each state rules are but they can hold off certifying for a period of say 30-45 day to see if the person died after casting a ballot. Or they don't certify, or lets do away with mail in ballots in person only. That would disqualify alot of people but it would help. Absentee ballots really wasn't a thing until the 1980s the country did fine before then.

Sorry, missed the bolded the first time.

So they don't certify. You say that but then what? An election was held, there is an office to be filled at some point. What happens if results aren't certified? I earlier pointed out that in my county they could narrow done to the precinct level if a dead voter ballot is inappropriately counted. Do we erase all those votes? Something concrete must happen.

[Opti]

Aug 25, 2024 20:48:15 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 25, 2024 20:02:31 GMT -5 scgal said:

PLEAAASSSEEEE South Carolina gets around 13b federal money compared to California 170b. Blue state are leaches. 

um....no.  we give more than we get, scgal .

According to Yahoo Finance, some states are less dependent on the federal government than others, contributing more to the federal government than they receive. These states include:

Minnesota, New Jersey, Delaware, Illinois, Florida, Washington, South Dakota, Massachusetts, Nebraska, and California.


NOTE:SC is not on that list.  all but three are blue states.

I don't think she realizes you need to normalize the data based on population. So SC's amount would be divided by their population to get a per capita amount and then CA as well. Plus federal taxes go in to fund things like Food Stamps, UE etc. so more math would be needed to be closer to accurate. Because it would need to be contribution into the Federal government minus what comes back. This is negative for SC but positive for CA and the other listed states.

[Opti]

Aug 26, 2024 9:42:57 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

For supposedly being about individual rights conservatives sure are invested in what hides underneath other people's pants.  Seriously who are trans people hurting?  

This reminds me of the hysteria about homosexual people and how all gay men were pedophiles and if we decriminalized it we'd see a rash of child abuse.

It's gotten to where we are attacking female athletes because they have what arm chair doctors think is too high testosterone levels and don't present as what is considered traditionally female by Western standards.

Get over yourselves.

ETA: If we're going to trot out the victim card I have FAR more to worry about in regards to cis straight men who hide on computers thinking they are owed my attention/time and my body.   The little stick figure on the bathroom door is not some magical force field that will keep them out and save me from harm.

As far as my children I have far more to fear concerning church leaders, sports coaches, boy scout troop leaders, teachers and their pediatrician.

Trans people don't even register to me as a threat.  They are just living their lives and using the bathroom just like I am.

[swamp]

Aug 25, 2024 20:48:15 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 25, 2024 20:02:31 GMT -5 scgal said:

PLEAAASSSEEEE South Carolina gets around 13b federal money compared to California 170b. Blue state are leaches. 

um....no.  we give more than we get, scgal .

According to Yahoo Finance, some states are less dependent on the federal government than others, contributing more to the federal government than they receive. These states include:

Minnesota, New Jersey, Delaware, Illinois, Florida, Washington, South Dakota, Massachusetts, Nebraska, and California.


NOTE:SC is not on that list.  all but three are blue states.

stop ruining a good rant with facts.  

[djAdvocate]

Aug 26, 2024 9:07:07 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 25, 2024 21:34:41 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i can never remember.  i know it is in the top 10.

If they are doing so good why do they have so much debt? Why are they in the top 5 unemployment rate. California is a broke shithole state. Poorly ran

we have had a very difficult Covid recovery.
but you are moving the goalposts.
we subsidize the red states, not the other way around.

edit: i would appreciate it if you would not call our state "shithole".  it is a beautiful place.  just like SC, which i spent one lovely Summer in at Pauley's Island.

we can talk about each other's respective places using facts rather than pejoratives.  i have spent my entire life here.  i could tell you about the crappy parts of this state, but it is a truly lovely place, full of great people.

tyia

[djAdvocate]

Aug 26, 2024 9:26:48 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 25, 2024 20:44:00 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

yeah, we have lost 45% of the electorate, who can no longer distinguish between someone thoroughly corrupt and unqualified and a person who has dedicated their lives to public service.  this is this shitty rabbit hole that we have been going down since 1980.  it ends up in a dark place, and a dead end.  let's hope at some point that the 45% drops to 40% and that the resulting firestorm will create enough ash to grow a new crop of Republicans.

Or we have have 45% of the country tired of the the progressive left bullshit this country sliding into. 

    Tired of trying to excuse debt for peoples poor educational choices

    Tired of normalizing transgenderism 

    Tired of convincing the people of the US that nationalism is bad 

    Tired blaming an object for deaths when it is a person fault (people are so fucking dumb on this one)

    Tired of helping other countries out with nothing in return 

    Tired of hearing about climate change 

    Tired of letting people in the country and wasting millions to take care of them

   So yea if someone is running for president and is against some or most of those things which would be against a democrat because they love all that shit. We don't care if they have been convicted of a felony the above mention is worse.

you say to-may-to, i say to-mah-to.  
we all know that the 45% is tired of hearing about it.
but for the 55%, and most of the rest of the non-shithole world, this is reality.  

and we don't "LOVE" it.  we accept it.
and i am not a Democrat.
it used to be that Republicans accepted most of it, as well, and minded their own business.
i would love it if we could get back to that.

i won't offer a defense of any of the above except the education debt, by repeating what i have said before.  the best nations subsidize their education better than we do.  when my parents graduated from school in the 50's, they had zero debt.  it was not because they paid for everything.  it was because the government did.  and that is how great nations work.  

if you really believe in MAGA, you believe in free education for everyone.  my opinion, of course.