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Post by obelisk on Aug 6, 2024 4:06:02 GMT -5
Yeah for the United States for being at the top of the medal standings. Very proud of our athletes in the Paris Olympics.
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Post by Opti on Aug 6, 2024 4:14:28 GMT -5
The crux is this:- Women and their sport must be protected so they can compete equally. If someone is competing with them, who should be ineligible because of raised levels of testosterone or they are gender obscure They are cheating....... and cheating legitimate competitors out of their awards. ....... and......... if it is as the IBA spokesman said, "this person is a male" Its outrageous, that we have just watched a male smash a female in the face. You seem to have got lost down a rabbit hole of ........"a person is whatever they say they are"Which is complete nonsense. and the reason the IOC have come in for such criticism. Categories for sporting entry.... must be clear and fixed. and if it is a woman's boxing tournament, the minimum requirement is that the competitors are women. No, you and the article writers are making that false assumptions. And you are making that assumption not based on reality, but norms, and that is stupid. Biology in RL is ever changing and since there were no measurements to be taken at the first Olympics we do not know what the ranges of human hormones were in any athlete let alone female athletes. Nor were they able back then to check for more than just XX and XY chromosomes. As mentioned before XXX, XXY among other variations occur naturally and with some regularity. As mentioned by other posters there are regular condition like PCOS which affect many women worldwide that can change hormone levels. There are also other diseases and genetic conditions that affect hormones as well. Categories for sport evolve, but that is not why you are posting. You believe the lies that RW article writers want you to believe. These media pushers are trying to get you to practice RW identity politics, where women who are clearly female at a chromosome level nonetheless get singled out by them and you as not being female enough. Sounds a lot like discrimination and singling out a woman simply because the collective RW you want to.
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Post by obelisk on Aug 6, 2024 5:14:24 GMT -5
Can we get back to the Olympics and celebrate the accomplishments of the athletes instead of regurgitating the meaning of a person.
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Post by moon/Laura on Aug 6, 2024 7:12:46 GMT -5
The crux is this:- Women and their sport must be protected so they can compete equally. If someone is competing with them, who should be ineligible because of raised levels of testosterone or they are gender obscure They are cheating....... and cheating legitimate competitors out of their awards. ....... and......... if it is as the IBA spokesman said, "this person is a male"
Its outrageous, that we have just watched a male smash a female in the face. You seem to have got lost down a rabbit hole of ........"a person is whatever they say they are" Which is complete nonsense. and the reason the IOC have come in for such criticism. Categories for sporting entry.... must be clear and fixed. and if it is a woman's boxing tournament, the minimum requirement is that the competitors are women. So where did the spokesman get his medical degree?
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Aug 6, 2024 7:56:16 GMT -5
I intensely dislike the attitude of the American runner Noah Lyles. I perceive that he is a grandstanding braggart.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Aug 6, 2024 8:02:48 GMT -5
I intensely dislike the attitude of the American runner Noah Lyles. I perceive that he is a grandstanding braggart. In my experience of watching past Olympics, this is a common trait among sprinters. The sport is a drag race, and it caters to flamboyant showmen. He secured the 100, and he seems to be the favorite for the 200. If he secures it, he has earned the right to brag. I am more looking forward to the probable showdown between Bol and McLaughlin-Levrone in the women's 400m hurdles.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 6, 2024 8:16:09 GMT -5
Me too,
In direct contrast to Simone Biles who must be one of your best ever Olympians
She was so sweet and generous when she was beaten in the floor by her rival She is the best gymnast in the World, we all know it.
Modest in victory and generous in defeat ....... One classy lady,
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 6, 2024 8:47:40 GMT -5
last thing I'll say on the topic, but this was a post from 2019 - explaining biological and chromosomal sex. it is a public FB post, you do not need to have an account to read it. link to start - On biological sex: Open Ocean Exploration @rebeccarhelm Rebecca is a biologist and an assistant professor at the University of North Carolina, Asheville USA. Friendly neighborhood biologist here. I see a lot of people are talking about biological sexes and gender right now. Lots of folks make biological sex sex seem really simple. Well, since it’s so simple, let’s find the biological roots, shall we? Let’s talk about sex... and, re: braggarts and sprinters. remember Usain Bolt? he wasn't so quiet, himself. it's not just Lyles
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 6, 2024 10:40:21 GMT -5
Yeah for the United States for being at the top of the medal standings. Very proud of our athletes in the Paris Olympics. if we can just manage to vote for someone who is not a fascist, now, we might continue to have something to be proud of.
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Post by Opti on Aug 6, 2024 11:32:57 GMT -5
Me too, In direct contrast to Simone Biles who must be one of your best ever Olympians She was so sweet and generous when she was beaten in the floor by her rival She is the best gymnast in the World, we all know it. Modest in victory and generous in defeat ....... One classy lady, Totally different sports though. The shorter distance you run, the harder it is to do well time and time again. So many runner's male and female wear things and style their hair as a flag to other runners they are there and make way baby. MO Wish I could remember the name of the sprinter who had these beautiful green and gold streaks in her hair to complement her uniform and do homage to her country. You two might appreciate her more than our US talent, which is world class BTW.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 6, 2024 12:40:34 GMT -5
last thing I'll say on the topic, but this was a post from 2019 - explaining biological and chromosomal sex. it is a public FB post, you do not need to have an account to read it. link to start - On biological sex: Open Ocean Exploration @rebeccarhelm Rebecca is a biologist and an assistant professor at the University of North Carolina, Asheville USA. Friendly neighborhood biologist here. I see a lot of people are talking about biological sexes and gender right now. Lots of folks make biological sex sex seem really simple. Well, since it’s so simple, let’s find the biological roots, shall we? Let’s talk about sex... and, re: braggarts and sprinters. remember Usain Bolt? he wasn't so quiet, himself. it's not just Lyles That link is a really good post.
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Post by swamp on Aug 6, 2024 13:17:25 GMT -5
I intensely dislike the attitude of the American runner Noah Lyles. I perceive that he is a grandstanding braggart. If you're the fastest person in the world, you've earned the right to be a grandstanding braggart.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 6, 2024 13:23:18 GMT -5
last thing I'll say on the topic, but this was a post from 2019 - explaining biological and chromosomal sex. it is a public FB post, you do not need to have an account to read it. link to start - On biological sex: Open Ocean Exploration @rebeccarhelm Rebecca is a biologist and an assistant professor at the University of North Carolina, Asheville USA. Friendly neighborhood biologist here. I see a lot of people are talking about biological sexes and gender right now. Lots of folks make biological sex sex seem really simple. Well, since it’s so simple, let’s find the biological roots, shall we? Let’s talk about sex... and, re: braggarts and sprinters. remember Usain Bolt? he wasn't so quiet, himself. it's not just Lyles That link is a really good post. I concur, fully science based. that's why I shared. I hope more folks take the time to read it, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by Opti on Aug 6, 2024 14:17:12 GMT -5
That link is a really good post. I concur, fully science based. that's why I shared. I hope more folks take the time to read it, but I'm not holding my breath. I really liked this part - The reason I don’t have my students look at their own chromosome in class is because people could learn that their chromosomal sex doesn’t match their physical sex, and learning that in the middle of a 10-point assignment is JUST NOT THE TIME.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 7, 2024 12:02:42 GMT -5
Happening probably now in Paris. Finally, US figure skaters will get Beijing Olympic gold medals — under Eiffel TowerPARIS — The Kamila Valieva doping saga, one of the most controversial, arduous and infuriating scandals in Olympic history, reaches its long-awaited conclusion Wednesday evening at the base of the Eiffel Tower when, for the first time in history, Winter Olympians will receive their gold medals at the Summer Olympics. Exactly 2½ years to the day after the team figure skating competition ended at the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics, U.S. figure skaters will get their gold medals and their Japanese counterparts their silvers at the 2024 Paris Summer Olympics. Russia dropped from first place to third after Valieva was suspended for four years and her Olympic results were disqualified, but since Russia is not allowed at the Paris Olympics due to the war in Ukraine, their skaters will not be allowed at the medal ceremony and will receive their bronze medals elsewhere, probably in Russia at some later date. All nine skaters on the U.S. team, their coaches and several members of each of their families flew to Paris on Tuesday courtesy of the U.S. Olympic & Paralympic Committee and the International Olympic Committee. Medal ceremony outfits have been made for the Americans by the USOPC, which the skaters will wear at the Paris Olympics’ Champions Park for the ceremony beginning at 5 p.m. Wednesday. Rest of article here: Finally, US figure skaters will get Beijing Olympic gold medals — under Eiffel Tower
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Post by obelisk on Aug 8, 2024 1:55:04 GMT -5
Yeah for the United States for being at the top of the medal standings. Very proud of our athletes in the Paris Olympics. if we can just manage to vote for someone who is not a fascist, now, we might continue to have something to be proud of. Do you even realize that all athletes have practiced and sacrificed most of their entire life to get to the top of their game and all you have to contribute is a vote to your liking so you may be proud of their accomplishments. Pretty pathetic on your part for all athletes, sacrifices, their family and loved ones. I for one is proud of their accomplishments regardless of politics.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 8, 2024 4:18:28 GMT -5
if we can just manage to vote for someone who is not a fascist, now, we might continue to have something to be proud of. Do you even realize that all athletes have practiced and sacrificed most of their entire life to get to the top of their game and all you have to contribute is a vote to your liking so you may be proud of their accomplishments. Pretty pathetic on your part for all athletes, sacrifices, their family and loved ones. I for one is proud of their accomplishments regardless of politics. I'm guessing there is a big difference for some between being proud of the athletes and being proud of the country. I celebrate the athletes and their accomplishments probably at least as much as you do, and I am happy for the country with those accomplishments whether the athletes win or lose any medal. Yes, it is nice to see our athletes win. That does not equate to "pride" in the country. The athletes did that. The country didn't, in any real sense, and politicians certainly had nothing to do with it. Now I realize that you did not say anything about pride in the country originally, and were concentrating on the athletes. That's great, but I don't think taking offense at someone making reference to an earlier part of the thread discussion is warranted either. He did not denigrate the athletes at all, and in fact acknowledged, at least obliquely, that we should be proud of them.
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Post by obelisk on Aug 8, 2024 4:59:12 GMT -5
Do you even realize that all athletes have practiced and sacrificed most of their entire life to get to the top of their game and all you have to contribute is a vote to your liking so you may be proud of their accomplishments. Pretty pathetic on your part for all athletes, sacrifices, their family and loved ones. I for one is proud of their accomplishments regardless of politics. I'm guessing there is a big difference for some between being proud of the athletes and being proud of the country. I celebrate the athletes and their accomplishments probably at least as much as you do, and I am happy for the country with those accomplishments whether the athletes win or lose any medal. Yes, it is nice to see our athletes win. That does not equate to "pride" in the country. The athletes did that. The country didn't, in any real sense, and politicians certainly had nothing to do with it. Now I realize that you did not say anything about pride in the country originally, and were concentrating on the athletes. That's great, but I don't think taking offense at someone making reference to an earlier part of the thread discussion is warranted either. He did not denigrate the athletes at all, and in fact acknowledged, at least obliquely, that we should be proud of them. I cheer athletes from several different countries and if you think that their country did not fund their athletes to get them to the Olympics I do not understand how you can state that: The country didn't: in any real sense. How is that even possible.
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I'm guessing there is a big difference for some between being proud of the athletes and being proud of the country. I celebrate the athletes and their accomplishments probably at least as much as you do, and I am happy for the country with those accomplishments whether the athletes win or lose any medal. Yes, it is nice to see our athletes win. That does not equate to "pride" in the country. The athletes did that. The country didn't, in any real sense, and politicians certainly had nothing to do with it. Now I realize that you did not say anything about pride in the country originally, and were concentrating on the athletes. That's great, but I don't think taking offense at someone making reference to an earlier part of the thread discussion is warranted either. He did not denigrate the athletes at all, and in fact acknowledged, at least obliquely, that we should be proud of them. I cheer athletes from several different countries and if you think that their country did not fund their athletes to get them to the Olympics I do not understand how you can state that: The country didn't: in any real sense. How is that even possible. Speaking about U.S. athletes in particular here, since that was the discussion. Some other countries support their athletes more, but the vast majority of U.S. athletes are not sponsored or subsidized to a great extent while training. Even the relatively few that are were not supported during the many years of work that you referred to as their sacrifice. They did the work, and they paid the costs. Many of them have to work two or three jobs, also depending on family or community for support, to be able to dedicate themselves to training. This is not like the Russian hockey team, whose responsibilities as Red Army soldiers was to practice hockey every day. And yes, athletes now get monetary bonuses if they win medals. How much did they receive for the ten years previous while getting to that point?
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Post by obelisk on Aug 8, 2024 6:00:36 GMT -5
I cheer athletes from several different countries and if you think that their country did not fund their athletes to get them to the Olympics I do not understand how you can state that: The country didn't: in any real sense. How is that even possible. Speaking about U.S. athletes in particular here, since that was the discussion. Some other countries support their athletes more, but the vast majority of U.S. athletes are not sponsored or subsidized to a great extent while training. Even the relatively few that are were not supported during the many years of work that you referred to as their sacrifice. They did the work, and they paid the costs. Many of them have to work two or three jobs, also depending on family or community for support, to be able to dedicate themselves to training. This is not like the Russian hockey team, whose responsibilities as Red Army soldiers was to practice hockey every day. And yes, athletes now get monetary bonuses if they win medals. How much did they receive for the ten years previous while getting to that point? Your mention of the Russian hockey team is more than 30 years out of date. Per you post the US athletes are not sponsored or subsidized to a great extend therefore I will cheer them to a greater extent for their accomplishments than other nations whom sponsor and subsidize their athletes to a greater extent. Leave the politics out of the Olympics
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 8, 2024 6:06:11 GMT -5
Speaking about U.S. athletes in particular here, since that was the discussion. Some other countries support their athletes more, but the vast majority of U.S. athletes are not sponsored or subsidized to a great extent while training. Even the relatively few that are were not supported during the many years of work that you referred to as their sacrifice. They did the work, and they paid the costs. Many of them have to work two or three jobs, also depending on family or community for support, to be able to dedicate themselves to training. This is not like the Russian hockey team, whose responsibilities as Red Army soldiers was to practice hockey every day. And yes, athletes now get monetary bonuses if they win medals. How much did they receive for the ten years previous while getting to that point? Your mention of the Russian hockey team is more than 30 years out of date. Per you post the US athletes are not sponsored or subsidized to a great extend therefore I will cheer them to a greater extent for their accomplishments than other nations whom sponsor and subsidize their athletes to a greater extent. Leave the politics out of the Olympicsso Russian and Belarusian athletes should have been allowed to compete?
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Post by obelisk on Aug 8, 2024 6:58:22 GMT -5
Your mention of the Russian hockey team is more than 30 years out of date. Per you post the US athletes are not sponsored or subsidized to a great extend therefore I will cheer them to a greater extent for their accomplishments than other nations whom sponsor and subsidize their athletes to a greater extent. Leave the politics out of the Olympicsso Russian and Belarusian athletes should have been allowed to compete? Yes
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Post by tallguy on Aug 8, 2024 7:03:32 GMT -5
Speaking about U.S. athletes in particular here, since that was the discussion. Some other countries support their athletes more, but the vast majority of U.S. athletes are not sponsored or subsidized to a great extent while training. Even the relatively few that are were not supported during the many years of work that you referred to as their sacrifice. They did the work, and they paid the costs. Many of them have to work two or three jobs, also depending on family or community for support, to be able to dedicate themselves to training. This is not like the Russian hockey team, whose responsibilities as Red Army soldiers was to practice hockey every day. And yes, athletes now get monetary bonuses if they win medals. How much did they receive for the ten years previous while getting to that point? Your mention of the Russian hockey team is more than 30 years out of date. Per you post the US athletes are not sponsored or subsidized to a great extend therefore I will cheer them to a greater extent for their accomplishments than other nations whom sponsor and subsidize their athletes to a greater extent. Leave the politics out of the Olympics Great, they deserve it, but that has nothing at all to do with having pride in the country per se, and your angry overreaction to the other poster is still misplaced. That's all. And by the way, most of this thread has been political in nature. Shouldn't have been, but it was.
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Happening probably now in Paris. Finally, US figure skaters will get Beijing Olympic gold medals — under Eiffel TowerPARIS — The Kamila Valieva doping saga, one of the most controversial, arduous and infuriating scandals in Olympic history, reaches its long-awaited conclusion Wednesday evening at the base of the Eiffel Tower when, for the first time in history, Winter Olympians will receive their gold medals at the Summer Olympics. Exactly 2½ years to the day after the team figure skating competition ended at the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics, U.S. figure skaters will get their gold medals and their Japanese counterparts their silvers at the 2024 Paris Summer Olympics. Russia dropped from first place to third after Valieva was suspended for four years and her Olympic results were disqualified, but since Russia is not allowed at the Paris Olympics due to the war in Ukraine, their skaters will not be allowed at the medal ceremony and will receive their bronze medals elsewhere, probably in Russia at some later date. All nine skaters on the U.S. team, their coaches and several members of each of their families flew to Paris on Tuesday courtesy of the U.S. Olympic & Paralympic Committee and the International Olympic Committee. Medal ceremony outfits have been made for the Americans by the USOPC, which the skaters will wear at the Paris Olympics’ Champions Park for the ceremony beginning at 5 p.m. Wednesday. Rest of article here: Finally, US figure skaters will get Beijing Olympic gold medals — under Eiffel TowerWhat a journey for both the US and Japanese skaters. I would think even if you weren't frustrated it must suck in RL as family and friends might keep asking, so why did you not get your medals yet? A: It is quite complicated ... From the linked article - “It’s so magical that we get this opportunity,” Nathan Chen, who also won the gold medal in the men’s figure skating competition at the 2022 Olympics, said in a phone interview Tuesday after arriving in Paris.
Then, alluding to all the stops and starts over the past 30 months in this bizarre international doping scandal, Chen added slyly, “Obviously, it hasn’t happened yet, so I’ll check back with you once it’s happening.”
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 8, 2024 14:29:27 GMT -5
I intensely dislike the attitude of the American runner Noah Lyles. I perceive that he is a grandstanding braggart. If you're the fastest person in the world, you've earned the right to be a grandstanding braggart. RE: 200 metre final Until you're not the fastest ...... and someone beats you (from a little landlocked African country) Then you have to eat a whole load of humble pie.
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Post by Opti on Aug 8, 2024 14:43:58 GMT -5
If you're the fastest person in the world, you've earned the right to be a grandstanding braggart. RE: 200 metre final Until you're not the fastest ...... and someone beats you (from a little landlocked African country) Then you have to eat a whole load of humble pie. Historically the fastest man or woman title goes to the winner of the shortest race, the 100m in which he won the gold medal www.cbsnews.com/news/noah-lyles-wins-gold-photo-finish-100-meter-sprint-paris-olympics/American sprinter Noah Lyles won gold in the men's 100-meter sprint Sunday on day nine of the 2024 Paris Olympics in a finish so close even the announcers didn't know who won the race.
After the official times came in, Lyles was determined to have crossed the finish line just a hair ahead of Jamaica's Kishane Thompson, with the men posting respective times of 9.784 and 9.789 seconds. According to the Associated Press, Lyles' .005-second lead was one of the closest sprints in the Games' history.
You are correct about him not winning the 200m, but you might want to read further. bleacherreport.com/articles/10131158-noah-lyles-wins-bronze-medal-during-mens-200m-at-2024-olympicsTeam USA's Noah Lyles fell short of pulling off the double Thursday at the 2024 Summer Olympics in Paris, as he settled for bronze in the men's 200-meter track event after previously winning gold in the 100m.
Botswana's Letsile Tebogo became the first African man to ever take gold in the 200m with a time of 19.46 seconds, followed by American Kenny Bednarek in second and Lyles in third.
After the race, Lyles appeared to be in some form of distress and was later taken down the tunnel in a wheelchair by medical personnel.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 8, 2024 14:53:36 GMT -5
If you're the fastest person in the world, you've earned the right to be a grandstanding braggart. RE: 200 metre final Until you're not the fastest ...... and someone beats you (from a little landlocked African country) Then you have to eat a whole load of humble pie. Diagnosed with Covid two days ago. Ran anyway.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 8, 2024 15:13:25 GMT -5
You cant take anything away from Letsile Tobogo, ....... he deserved the applause
....and I don't know about your commentary, but prior to the race, ours mentioned Kenny Bednarek but didn't credit the Botswanan at all.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Aug 8, 2024 15:27:23 GMT -5
RE: 200 metre final Until you're not the fastest ...... and someone beats you (from a little landlocked African country) Then you have to eat a whole load of humble pie. Diagnosed with Covid two days ago. Ran anyway. This seems like a bigger concern than any bragging he may have done.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 8, 2024 15:30:22 GMT -5
You cant take anything away from Letsile Tobogo, ....... he deserved the applause ....and I don't know about your commentary, but prior to the race, ours mentioned Kenny Bednarek but didn't credit the Botswanan at all. our coverage mentioned him, that he lost his mum earlier this year and focuses his training in her memory. looks like it worked.
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